Re: cf-talk blacklisted again by spamcop
Emmet McGovern wrote: > #2 eliminates most spam filter gateway setups out there. You're correct, of course. That doesn't change the fact that I could force their server to send out thousands of my spam messages to external users using the method I described. Presumably, spamcop lists servers that deal out bounces when those bounces are reported by spamcop users as spam, in which case, the offending server sending the bouncebacks gets blacklisted. which may be temporary, of course but if that server *IS* being abused and people consistently report such bounceback spam coming from that server, it'll stay blacklisted. Now of course, a good spam filter gateway wouldn't let my milliion spam messages in in the first place, so they wouldn't have to worry about it. Also, if such gateways are not aware of existing users on the internal network, they could save themselves a lot of processing time by BEING aware of valid users on the internal network. rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232952 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: cf-talk blacklisted again by spamcop
#2 eliminates most spam filter gateway setups out there. -Original Message- From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 1:34 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: cf-talk blacklisted again by spamcop Emmet McGovern wrote: > > BTW. Spamcop is also the RBL that blacklists servers that deal out bounce > backs. Let's say I've got a mailing list of a million working email addresses, and I find a server that accepts all email before checking for invalid users. Let's also say that server bounces the whole message and not just the headers like some do. Instead of spamming the users directly, I can send my spam FROM those million users to invalid accounts at the mail server that bounces them. That mail server accepts the mail then sends my spam to the people I intended as a Mail Delivery Error, which people *ARE* likely to look at because they think they sent a mail that bounced. There are two things that NO mail servers should ever do: #1 - send responses to virus emails #2 - accept mail for unknown users and then bounce. If you're running a server that is being abused the way I described above, then your server deserves to be blacklisted. Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232942 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: cf-talk blacklisted again by spamcop
Emmet McGovern wrote: > > BTW. Spamcop is also the RBL that blacklists servers that deal out bounce > backs. Let's say I've got a mailing list of a million working email addresses, and I find a server that accepts all email before checking for invalid users. Let's also say that server bounces the whole message and not just the headers like some do. Instead of spamming the users directly, I can send my spam FROM those million users to invalid accounts at the mail server that bounces them. That mail server accepts the mail then sends my spam to the people I intended as a Mail Delivery Error, which people *ARE* likely to look at because they think they sent a mail that bounced. There are two things that NO mail servers should ever do: #1 - send responses to virus emails #2 - accept mail for unknown users and then bounce. If you're running a server that is being abused the way I described above, then your server deserves to be blacklisted. Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232935 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: cf-talk blacklisted again by spamcop
We use spam cop but give it a relatively low weight when it comes to marking spam. It has way too many legit servers on it. BTW. Spamcop is also the RBL that blacklists servers that deal out bounce backs. Emmet -Original Message- From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: cf-talk blacklisted again by spamcop Jochem van Dieten wrote: > Michael Dinowitz wrote: > >>For personal mail this might be an effective option, but can you see the >>firestorm if list mail was slowed down? :) > > Nobody notices a 10 or 15 second slowdown (you can go full speed > after that). I don't know many mail servers that try again after 15 seconds. I can't find any specific documentation, but most mail servers try once every minute for the first hour I think for temporary failures. However, as long as houseoffusion.com is running it's own mail server, there's really no need for greylisting since non-subscribers can't post anyway. rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232921 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: cf-talk blacklisted again by spamcop
Jochem van Dieten wrote: > Michael Dinowitz wrote: > >>For personal mail this might be an effective option, but can you see the >>firestorm if list mail was slowed down? :) > > Nobody notices a 10 or 15 second slowdown (you can go full speed > after that). I don't know many mail servers that try again after 15 seconds. I can't find any specific documentation, but most mail servers try once every minute for the first hour I think for temporary failures. However, as long as houseoffusion.com is running it's own mail server, there's really no need for greylisting since non-subscribers can't post anyway. rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232909 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: cf-talk blacklisted again by spamcop
Dave Watts wrote: >> >> I have mentioned the emailaddress i-need-a-gf @ vandieten . >> net in the body of an email on this list once. Just once. I >> think it was quoted one more time in an answer. Now, several >> years later, I get about 20 spam messages to that address >> every day. > > Yes, but more importantly, did any of those messages help you find a gf? Only the ones that charge by the minute. Jochem ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232875 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: cf-talk blacklisted again by spamcop
Michael Dinowitz wrote: > For personal mail this might be an effective option, but can you see the > firestorm if list mail was slowed down? :) Nobody notices a 10 or 15 second slowdown (you can go full speed after that). > As for adding it on a personal level (or mail server one), is there any good > instructions? Most big *nix mailservers support it in some way or another. For Windows there is one proxy implementation that does generic greylisting: http://www.greylisting.org/implementations/ The 10 second slowdown feature is not the usual implementation of greylisting but is specific for OpenBSDs spamd and is implemented in the firewall instead of the SMTP server. If you want to use that, you need to place an OpenBSD box in your network as firewall. Jochem ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232874 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: cf-talk blacklisted again by spamcop
For personal mail this might be an effective option, but can you see the firestorm if list mail was slowed down? :) As for adding it on a personal level (or mail server one), is there any good instructions? > Use greylisting, no hacking or banning needed, it is a purely > technical process. > > For instance, if you just make your SMTP server send 1 byte per > second for the first 10 seconds of an incomming mail dialogue, > more then 20% of your spam disappears because the sender thinks > you are too slow and moves on to more lucrative victims: > http://www.openbsd.org/papers/bsdcan05-spamd/mgp6.html > > Jochem > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232873 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: cf-talk blacklisted again by spamcop
Michael Dinowitz wrote: >> >> It takes more than "anyone" it takes numerous "someones". One spam >> report to spamcop doesn't cause you to get blacklisted. > I can easily 'hack' this process and ban anyone I choose. This is one of the > reasons I don't use any RBL for my spam checker. Use greylisting, no hacking or banning needed, it is a purely technical process. For instance, if you just make your SMTP server send 1 byte per second for the first 10 seconds of an incomming mail dialogue, more then 20% of your spam disappears because the sender thinks you are too slow and moves on to more lucrative victims: http://www.openbsd.org/papers/bsdcan05-spamd/mgp6.html Jochem ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232872 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: cf-talk blacklisted again by spamcop
>> This is one of the reasons I don't use any RBL for my spam checker. I >> wrote it myself and let me tell you that while it takes a few moments to >> review some of the subjects, my success rate is 100% blocked with the >> only mistakes coming from people who send mail without a subject. (red >> flagged, not deleted, but sometimes deleted by the human eye process.) > > You've got a lot more time on your hands than me, apparently =) Actually, I don't. The anti-spam package I wrote is about 3 years old and based heavily on proper headers and regex patterns in subjects. Alone, it will remove at least 75% of spam while labeling another 23% (or more) as possible spam with different ratings. This, combined with a few extra rules is what keeps the lists safe even from spam that comes from a forged address. If I had time I'd add in the large site (LS) module which will set some specific sites (google, paypal, ebay, amazon) and their expected received domains, message-id domains and the like. If a message comes in that is not from an expected domain in the received or message-id, then it's trashed. If it looks legal, it'll check a table of expected IPs. If it's not there (an extreme case), then it'll do a fast ip lookup. I'd say 95%+ of the spam that says its from these domains will die in the first check easily. The few that forge the proper received and message-id will die in IP lookup. exceptionally few will hit the third test. It's a simple module and rather foolproof. As LS mail is always coming from a proper location, it'll really reduce phishing attacks. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232871 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: cf-talk blacklisted again by spamcop
> I would move bl.spamcop.net and dsn.rfc-ignorant.org from > blocking spam to adding points in SpamAssassin and instead add > greylisting: http://www.greylisting.org/ I second the greylisting recommendation. We recently implemented it, and it's provided a significant improvement. > I have mentioned the emailaddress i-need-a-gf @ vandieten . > net in the body of an email on this list once. Just once. I > think it was quoted one more time in an answer. Now, several > years later, I get about 20 spam messages to that address > every day. Yes, but more importantly, did any of those messages help you find a gf? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232870 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: cf-talk blacklisted again by spamcop
Rick Root wrote: > Jochem van Dieten wrote: >>> Spamcop listed houseoffusion because of some DNS/hostname configuration >>> issues. >> SCBL does not work that way. SCBL lists IP addresses based on >> spam reports: http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/297.html > > Actually, Spamcop *DOES* work that way sometimes, and in this particular > case, it did. House of Fusion was blacklisted because of DNS and > hostname issues, as Michael has already pointed out. > > When I looked up the IP address, it said it was the DNS mismatch that > caused it to be blacklisted, because spamcop feels that any mail server > trying to masquerade as another host with a different IP address is > probably a spammer. That is fun for anybody running CF 5 and older and talking to a host that forwards to SpamCop: they use the hostname of the recipient SMTP server instead of their own hostname in the HELO dialogue :) >> I am a big fan of RBLs, but I very much question the wisdom of >> using SCBL to block email. Do you really want to give anybody >> with a SpamCop account the power to stop your email? > > It takes more than "anyone" it takes numerous "someones". One spam > report to spamcop doesn't cause you to get blacklisted. It takes 2 reports. They don't have to be from different sources. > I block the spamcop listed email for two main reasons. > > #1 - my users don't want to do their own filtering > #2 - if someone (a person not a list) sends legitimate email and their > mail server is listed in spamcop, they'll get a bounced message that > tells them why. That's actually better than the mail being accepted and > thrown into a spam folder, because the original sender gets immediate > feedback. These features are not unique to SCBL or even to RBLs. But rejecting email instead of accepting and then sending a non delivery notification is why I am such a fan of RBLs and greylisting. Once you have responded "OK" to the other SMTP server and have accepted an email message you are responsible for it. There really is no good way for a postmaster to deal with suspected spam then: you can not delete it because it might be a false positive, you can not bounce it because 99% of the time you are bouncing to an innocent bystander so you have no other option but to deliver it. Outright rejection is indead the way to deal with this. Jochem ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232869 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: cf-talk blacklisted again by spamcop
Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > Yes, a month ago. So why are they having problems now? Or rather, Friday night, they're not "now".. but a good question nonetheless. > This is one of the reasons I don't use any RBL for my spam checker. I wrote > it myself and let me tell you that while it takes a few moments to review > some of the subjects, my success rate is 100% blocked with the only mistakes > coming from people who send mail without a subject. (red flagged, not > deleted, but sometimes deleted by the human eye process.) You've got a lot more time on your hands than me, apparently =) Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232866 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: cf-talk blacklisted again by spamcop
>Actually, Spamcop *DOES* work that way sometimes, and in this particular >case, it did. House of Fusion was blacklisted because of DNS and >hostname issues, as Michael has already pointed out. Yes, a month ago. So why are they having problems now? >When I looked up the IP address, it said it was the DNS mismatch that >caused it to be blacklisted, because spamcop feels that any mail server >trying to masquerade as another host with a different IP address is >probably a spammer. Yes, the IP was for mail.houseoffusion.com and the header said houseoffusion.com. Intelligent software would be more lenient in such a case or at least give it a flag to be checked rather than send it directly to a black hole. >It takes more than "anyone" it takes numerous "someones". One spam >report to spamcop doesn't cause you to get blacklisted. I can easily 'hack' this process and ban anyone I choose. This is one of the reasons I don't use any RBL for my spam checker. I wrote it myself and let me tell you that while it takes a few moments to review some of the subjects, my success rate is 100% blocked with the only mistakes coming from people who send mail without a subject. (red flagged, not deleted, but sometimes deleted by the human eye process.) >I block the spamcop listed email for two main reasons. > >#1 - my users don't want to do their own filtering >#2 - if someone (a person not a list) sends legitimate email and their >mail server is listed in spamcop, they'll get a bounced message that >tells them why. That's actually better than the mail being accepted and Not exactly true. I found out about the problem first from a concerned list member and the spamcop entries I still see to this day are from other peoples mail with no message sent to me as the mail server admin. >I suppose we're *WAY* off topic here =) Actually, yes we are but there is a little more leaway on the weekend. Not much, but enough as long as the talk is still technical. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232864 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: cf-talk blacklisted again by spamcop
Jochem van Dieten wrote: > >> Spamcop listed houseoffusion because of some DNS/hostname configuration >> issues. > > SCBL does not work that way. SCBL lists IP addresses based on > spam reports: http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/297.html Actually, Spamcop *DOES* work that way sometimes, and in this particular case, it did. House of Fusion was blacklisted because of DNS and hostname issues, as Michael has already pointed out. When I looked up the IP address, it said it was the DNS mismatch that caused it to be blacklisted, because spamcop feels that any mail server trying to masquerade as another host with a different IP address is probably a spammer. > I am a big fan of RBLs, but I very much question the wisdom of > using SCBL to block email. Do you really want to give anybody > with a SpamCop account the power to stop your email? It takes more than "anyone" it takes numerous "someones". One spam report to spamcop doesn't cause you to get blacklisted. I block the spamcop listed email for two main reasons. #1 - my users don't want to do their own filtering #2 - if someone (a person not a list) sends legitimate email and their mail server is listed in spamcop, they'll get a bounced message that tells them why. That's actually better than the mail being accepted and thrown into a spam folder, because the original sender gets immediate feedback. I suppose we're *WAY* off topic here =) Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232863 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: cf-talk blacklisted again by spamcop
Rick Root wrote: > > My mail server, which isn't particularly large, has blocked over 32,000 > incoming connections via various RBLs > > dsn.rfc-ignorant.org list.dsbl.org relays.ordb.org bl.spamcop.net > sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org. I would move bl.spamcop.net and dsn.rfc-ignorant.org from blocking spam to adding points in SpamAssassin and instead add greylisting: http://www.greylisting.org/ > And since I reject mail to invalid recipients, that's another 3,142 > messages. 757 of those are to an email address I haven't used in 6 > years, though I still own the domain. I have mentioned the emailaddress i-need-a-gf @ vandieten . net in the body of an email on this list once. Just once. I think it was quoted one more time in an answer. Now, several years later, I get about 20 spam messages to that address every day. Jochem ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232862 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: cf-talk blacklisted again by spamcop
Rick Root wrote: > Jochem van Dieten wrote: >> If the spamcop RBL routinely lists legitimate hosts, why do you >> use it? > > The answer is obvious. > > *ALL* RBL lists contain some legitimate hosts from time to time. IMO. Some: yes. From time to time: yes. Routinely: no. > Spamcop listed houseoffusion because of some DNS/hostname configuration > issues. SCBL does not work that way. SCBL lists IP addresses based on spam reports: http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/297.html I am a big fan of RBLs, but I very much question the wisdom of using SCBL to block email. Do you really want to give anybody with a SpamCop account the power to stop your email? Jochem ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232860 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: cf-talk blacklisted again by spamcop
for what it's worth, I hate spam. And spam blocking/filtering is a necessary evil, unfortunately. The harder you try to block spam, the more likely you are to not see legitimate email. My mail server, which isn't particularly large, has blocked over 32,000 incoming connections via various RBLs dsn.rfc-ignorant.org list.dsbl.org relays.ordb.org bl.spamcop.net sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org. In that same timeframe, I've also blocked 987 messages tagged with spam assassin scores higher than 8.0, and 76 viruses. And since I reject mail to invalid recipients, that's another 3,142 messages. 757 of those are to an email address I haven't used in 6 years, though I still own the domain. That's out of 41,000 incoming connections in the last 7-1/2 days. Nearly 88% spam mail, or mail coming from likely spammers. I'd hate to see my inbox if I stopped using RBLs. Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232859 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: cf-talk blacklisted again by spamcop
A little over a month ago I made a DNS config change from 64.118.74.245 to 46.118.74.249 but forgot to set the mail server to say mail.houseoffusion.com rather than houseoffusion.com. I fixed it really fast when I saw a spamcop block but to this day I still see people blocked due to spamcop despite being told by spamcop that it's all good. In some cases it's a cached spamcop reference on someone's system, in others it's spamcops fault. Bottom line is that I haven't changed anything with the mail for over a month now so if there is a spamcop entry, it's false. > Jochem van Dieten wrote: >> >> If the spamcop RBL routinely lists legitimate hosts, why do you >> use it? > > The answer is obvious. > > *ALL* RBL lists contain some legitimate hosts from time to time. IMO. > > Spamcop listed houseoffusion because of some DNS/hostname configuration > issues. I guess the mail coming from houseoffusion said it was coming > from a specific hostname whose IP address was different than the actual > IP address it was coming from. > > Rick > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232857 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: cf-talk blacklisted again by spamcop
Jochem van Dieten wrote: > > If the spamcop RBL routinely lists legitimate hosts, why do you > use it? The answer is obvious. *ALL* RBL lists contain some legitimate hosts from time to time. IMO. Spamcop listed houseoffusion because of some DNS/hostname configuration issues. I guess the mail coming from houseoffusion said it was coming from a specific hostname whose IP address was different than the actual IP address it was coming from. Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232855 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: cf-talk blacklisted again by spamcop
Rick Root wrote: > I'm not getting any cf-talk email again, started sometime last night. > > Here's an entry from my smtp server's log file > > @400043f75bc5074da2f4 rblsmtpd: 64.118.74.249 pid 19425: 451 Blocked > - see http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?64.118.74.249 > > Looks like the same problem as before with the DNS or something If the spamcop RBL routinely lists legitimate hosts, why do you use it? Jochem ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232832 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: cf-talk blacklisted again by spamcop
Claude Schneegans wrote: > >>Here's an entry from my smtp server's log file > >>- see http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?64.118.74.249 > > Returns « 64.118.74.249 not listed in bl.spamcop.net » > > Might be a problem with your smtp server ? Or, they fixed it pretty quickly after I reported it. Cuz when I clicked on that url, it was listed, or I wouldn't have posted to the list =) Looks like we're all good again, I was going through cf-talk withdrawal. Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232806 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: cf-talk blacklisted again by spamcop
>>Here's an entry from my smtp server's log file >>- see http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?64.118.74.249 Returns « 64.118.74.249 not listed in bl.spamcop.net » Might be a problem with your smtp server ? -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232793 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
cf-talk blacklisted again by spamcop
I'm not getting any cf-talk email again, started sometime last night. Here's an entry from my smtp server's log file @400043f75bc5074da2f4 rblsmtpd: 64.118.74.249 pid 19425: 451 Blocked - see http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?64.118.74.249 Looks like the same problem as before with the DNS or something Rick ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:232789 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
