cfmx j2ee and jrun

2003-03-26 Thread John McCosker
Greetings,

could someone iron out this query for me,
I'm just a little confused about the right or best configuration of tools to
be using,

I went on the Macromedia site to the get the latest updater for cfmx,
and found CFMX for J2EE, on further reading this is a version of CFMX that
will sit
on top of the J2EE application server as opposed to IIS. This sounds like a
very powerful
integration, but since we want to keep our integration with IIS, but also
down the line
use Java, EJB and jsp integrated solutions along with CFMX I'm wondering
what is the best set up.

I assumed that CFMX not CFMX for J2EE has a built in version of JRUN that
will handle JSP and CFML
seamless integration, is this true? and if so am I right in thinking there
is no other configurations
required in order to run jsp's once CFMX has been installed.

And if this is true, is CFMX as good on its own as the MM JRUN server which
is a cheaper version of the J2EE
server.

And if you wish to use JRUN why not go out the whole hog for J2EE.

Does anyone see where I am going with this.

If someone could give me advice on this I would be very grateful,
I am probably over worrying here, but it would be nice to know what be the
best JAVA CFMX integrated solution
for future scalability. 

respectfully,

J.

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Re: cfmx j2ee and jrun

2003-03-26 Thread Stephen Moretti
John,

>
> I went on the Macromedia site to the get the latest updater for cfmx,
> and found CFMX for J2EE, on further reading this is a version of CFMX that
> will sit on top of the J2EE application server as opposed to IIS. This
sounds like a
> very powerful integration, but since we want to keep our integration with
IIS, but also
> down the line use Java, EJB and jsp integrated solutions along with CFMX
I'm wondering
> what is the best set up.
>
That's actually not the right interpretation.  CFMX for J2EE sits on another
_Java_ server as instead of JRun.  You will still need the web server of
your choice to serve the application.  Even though most Java Servers have
built in web servers they are never recommended for a production
environment.

> I assumed that CFMX not CFMX for J2EE has a built in version of JRUN that
> will handle JSP and CFML seamless integration, is this true?
>
The version of JRun delivered with CFMX is a cut down version.  Although
there are ways to call jsp pages (as well as other languages) from within a
CF application, it will not serve standalone JSP pages.

> and if so am I right in thinking there is no other configurations
> required in order to run jsp's once CFMX has been installed.
>
You will need a full Java server to be able run jsp pages.

> And if this is true, is CFMX as good on its own as the MM JRUN server
which
> is a cheaper version of the J2EE server.
>
Errmmm... Not sure what you're getting at here, but you don't get a J2EE
server (not even the cut down JRun server) with CFMX for J2EE.  You have to
purchase this yourself.

> And if you wish to use JRUN why not go out the whole hog for J2EE.
>
JRun is a J2EE server I believe.

> If someone could give me advice on this I would be very grateful,
> I am probably over worrying here, but it would be nice to know what be the
> best JAVA CFMX integrated solution
> for future scalability.
>
If you want a Java/CF server solution, you will need to investigate the
various J2EE servers that are now available (commercial and open source),
purchase the one that meets your need and then purchase CFMX for J2EE to sit
on top of this server

Hope this makes things clearer for you.

Regards

Stephen
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RE: cfmx j2ee and jrun

2003-03-26 Thread John McCosker
Thanks Stephen!!

-Original Message-
From: Stephen Moretti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 March 2003 14:07
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: cfmx j2ee and jrun


John,

>
> I went on the Macromedia site to the get the latest updater for cfmx,
> and found CFMX for J2EE, on further reading this is a version of CFMX that
> will sit on top of the J2EE application server as opposed to IIS. This
sounds like a
> very powerful integration, but since we want to keep our integration with
IIS, but also
> down the line use Java, EJB and jsp integrated solutions along with CFMX
I'm wondering
> what is the best set up.
>
That's actually not the right interpretation.  CFMX for J2EE sits on another
_Java_ server as instead of JRun.  You will still need the web server of
your choice to serve the application.  Even though most Java Servers have
built in web servers they are never recommended for a production
environment.

> I assumed that CFMX not CFMX for J2EE has a built in version of JRUN that
> will handle JSP and CFML seamless integration, is this true?
>
The version of JRun delivered with CFMX is a cut down version.  Although
there are ways to call jsp pages (as well as other languages) from within a
CF application, it will not serve standalone JSP pages.

> and if so am I right in thinking there is no other configurations
> required in order to run jsp's once CFMX has been installed.
>
You will need a full Java server to be able run jsp pages.

> And if this is true, is CFMX as good on its own as the MM JRUN server
which
> is a cheaper version of the J2EE server.
>
Errmmm... Not sure what you're getting at here, but you don't get a J2EE
server (not even the cut down JRun server) with CFMX for J2EE.  You have to
purchase this yourself.

> And if you wish to use JRUN why not go out the whole hog for J2EE.
>
JRun is a J2EE server I believe.

> If someone could give me advice on this I would be very grateful,
> I am probably over worrying here, but it would be nice to know what be the
> best JAVA CFMX integrated solution
> for future scalability.
>
If you want a Java/CF server solution, you will need to investigate the
various J2EE servers that are now available (commercial and open source),
purchase the one that meets your need and then purchase CFMX for J2EE to sit
on top of this server

Hope this makes things clearer for you.

Regards

Stephen
===
CF-Europe http://www.cf-europe.org/
Olympia Conference Centre, London
29-30 May 2003
Keynote by Ben Forta and Tim Buntel
===
Stephen Moretti
Manager
Northern UK ColdFusion User Group
www: http://www.cfug.org.uk/



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