Re: javascript debugger for ie
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Dave Watts wrote: > > > ...and now I'm lost :) I'd normally assume that by "don't work" you mean > > they don't render properly. But with that being the crux of this > particular > > tangent, I'm assuming that's not what you mean. What server side code > would > > be poorly-written enough to "not work" based on the browser? > > I've run into plenty of sites which do one thing for IE, something > else for Netscape/Firefox, and a default (crappy, reduced feature) > thing for every other browser - even though some of those browsers > would work fine with one of the first two cases. > OK back with ya. Thanks. Unfortunately, this all leaves Richard back at square 1 :\ -- I have failed as much as I have succeeded. But I love my life. I love my wife. And I wish you my kind of success. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318904 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: javascript debugger for ie
It is common to have to have 2 or 3 versions of CSS to accommodate for browser inconsistencies. A friend of mine does *nothing but* UI design and he says that he usually has at least 2 versions of CSS. So that plugin that Charlie showed me allowed me to see the the IE Stylesheet in FF and use Firebug (I am not fond of the IE debugger). Again thanx. >>"not work" based on the browser? I donno why browser/version would effect server side stuff unless it was AJAX-y/CSS type features that would too much a pain to warrant the expense of a rewrite. G! On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Dave Watts wrote: > > > ...and now I'm lost :) I'd normally assume that by "don't work" you mean > > they don't render properly. But with that being the crux of this > particular > > tangent, I'm assuming that's not what you mean. What server side code > would > > be poorly-written enough to "not work" based on the browser? > > I've run into plenty of sites which do one thing for IE, something > else for Netscape/Firefox, and a default (crappy, reduced feature) > thing for every other browser - even though some of those browsers > would work fine with one of the first two cases. > > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software > http://www.figleaf.com/ > > Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized > instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, > Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. > Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318903 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: javascript debugger for ie
> ...and now I'm lost :) I'd normally assume that by "don't work" you mean > they don't render properly. But with that being the crux of this particular > tangent, I'm assuming that's not what you mean. What server side code would > be poorly-written enough to "not work" based on the browser? I've run into plenty of sites which do one thing for IE, something else for Netscape/Firefox, and a default (crappy, reduced feature) thing for every other browser - even though some of those browsers would work fine with one of the first two cases. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318900 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: javascript debugger for ie
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Dave Watts wrote: > > > What would be the advantage of switching the user agent otherwise? I can > > see if maybe a particular site only supported a given browser... would > there > > be others? Just curious. > > You can use it to tell the server to generate code for another > browser, and there are all kinds of uses for that. > > I often do this to see how sites respond to Google Search Appliances, > which send a specific user agent (gsa-crawler). I also do it when > using Experts Exchange - if you identify your browser as Googlebot you > get the content that Google indexes. > OK I'm with you so far... > If you're using Opera, many (poorly-written) sites don't work, so you > may change your user agent to something more common. > ...and now I'm lost :) I'd normally assume that by "don't work" you mean they don't render properly. But with that being the crux of this particular tangent, I'm assuming that's not what you mean. What server side code would be poorly-written enough to "not work" based on the browser? -- I have failed as much as I have succeeded. But I love my life. I love my wife. And I wish you my kind of success. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318891 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: javascript debugger for ie
> What would be the advantage of switching the user agent otherwise? I can > see if maybe a particular site only supported a given browser... would there > be others? Just curious. You can use it to tell the server to generate code for another browser, and there are all kinds of uses for that. I often do this to see how sites respond to Google Search Appliances, which send a specific user agent (gsa-crawler). I also do it when using Experts Exchange - if you identify your browser as Googlebot you get the content that Google indexes. If you're using Opera, many (poorly-written) sites don't work, so you may change your user agent to something more common. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:31 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: javascript debugger for ie
>>Ah, gotcha. I was under the impression it would render as if it were the specified browser. If it was so, why would Mozilla not ALWAYS support IE functions? >>What would be the advantage of switching the user agent otherwise? Very poor indeed. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318873 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: javascript debugger for ie
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Dave Watts wrote: > > > I've not tried it. My assumption would be that if Firefox is rendering > it > > as if it were being rendered in IE, then the JS would behave as if it > were > > IE. Seems like a logical conclusion. But no.. I've not tried it to be > > able to say with 100% certainty. > > Changing the user agent does not affect the browser's behavior. It may > affect the server's behavior, but that's it. > Ah, gotcha. I was under the impression it would render as if it were the specified browser. What would be the advantage of switching the user agent otherwise? I can see if maybe a particular site only supported a given browser... would there be others? Just curious. -- I have failed as much as I have succeeded. But I love my life. I love my wife. And I wish you my kind of success. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318864 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: javascript debugger for ie
> I've not tried it. My assumption would be that if Firefox is rendering it > as if it were being rendered in IE, then the JS would behave as if it were > IE. Seems like a logical conclusion. But no.. I've not tried it to be > able to say with 100% certainty. Changing the user agent does not affect the browser's behavior. It may affect the server's behavior, but that's it. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318862 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: javascript debugger for ie
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Claude Schneegans < schneeg...@internetique.com> wrote: > > >>What about installing a user agent switcher add on for firefox? this > way > you can sort of be testing in IE, > > Excuse a may be silly question, but how just switching the agent can > help debugging? > Firefox will make Javascript believe it is IE, but will it act as IE? > I've not tried it. My assumption would be that if Firefox is rendering it as if it were being rendered in IE, then the JS would behave as if it were IE. Seems like a logical conclusion. But no.. I've not tried it to be able to say with 100% certainty. -- I have failed as much as I have succeeded. But I love my life. I love my wife. And I wish you my kind of success. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318859 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: javascript debugger for ie
>>What about installing a user agent switcher add on for firefox? this way you can sort of be testing in IE, Excuse a may be silly question, but how just switching the agent can help debugging? Firefox will make Javascript believe it is IE, but will it act as IE? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318854 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: javascript debugger for ie
Nice find Charlie. Thanx. I am in cross browser hell right now Someone please kill me. G! On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Charlie Griefer wrote: > > i haven't really used it much... but really nothing holds a candle to > firebug. > What about installing a user agent switcher add on for firefox? this way > you can sort of be testing in IE, yet have firebug available? > > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/59 > > > -- Gerald Guido http://www.myinternetisbroken.com "To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk." -- Thomas A. Edison ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318803 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: javascript debugger for ie
no i havent but will look into this, thanks i have been meaning to look into JQuery for some time and know that it will help us out if we do so this is the perfect excuse! thanks >Question: Have you tried using a javascript library that hides and handles >the cross browser issues behind the scenes? JQuery is the hot one these >days, but other like Prototype, YUI and others are available and usually >have excellent documentation. > >These libraries can really take the headache out of cross browser issues. > >Wil ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318801 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: javascript debugger for ie
He only thing I have seen is the IE debugger in Aptana pro ($99). I use the FOSS version of Aptana and absolutely love it. http://www.aptana.com/docs/index.php/Installing_the_IE_debugger G! On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Richard White wrote: > > thanks for the recommendation... i have downloaded it and it tells me what > line of code an error is on but it doesn't allow me to view that line of > code, does it just alert you to the line or is there a way, like firebug, to > get more details on the line and view the code etc... thanks (sorry dont > mean to sound like i am asking for a tutorial, i just cannot work it out in > the software and is the main thing i need it to have!) > > also, we are new to developing for all browsers (we have only programmed > for firefox in the past) do you usually have a set of debuggers you use for > the different browsers or do you have a combined tool (such as a plug in for > eclipse, and if there is a good plug in for eclipse can anyone recommend) > > thanks > > >http://www.debugbar.com/?langage=en > > > >Free for personal use. I find that debugging JS to be a very personal > issue. > > > >This is very handy as well > > > >http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage > > > > > > > > > >> > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318800 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: javascript debugger for ie
Question: Have you tried using a javascript library that hides and handles the cross browser issues behind the scenes? JQuery is the hot one these days, but other like Prototype, YUI and others are available and usually have excellent documentation. These libraries can really take the headache out of cross browser issues. Wil ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318799 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: javascript debugger for ie
WOW... this is very powerful thanks Charlie, seems like a perfect answer :) >i haven't really used it much... but really nothing holds a candle to >firebug. >What about installing a user agent switcher add on for firefox? this way >you can sort of be testing in IE, yet have firebug available? > >https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/59 > > > >> ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318798 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: javascript debugger for ie
i haven't really used it much... but really nothing holds a candle to firebug. What about installing a user agent switcher add on for firefox? this way you can sort of be testing in IE, yet have firebug available? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/59 On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Richard White wrote: > > thanks for the recommendation... i have downloaded it and it tells me what > line of code an error is on but it doesn't allow me to view that line of > code, does it just alert you to the line or is there a way, like firebug, to > get more details on the line and view the code etc... thanks (sorry dont > mean to sound like i am asking for a tutorial, i just cannot work it out in > the software and is the main thing i need it to have!) > > also, we are new to developing for all browsers (we have only programmed > for firefox in the past) do you usually have a set of debuggers you use for > the different browsers or do you have a combined tool (such as a plug in for > eclipse, and if there is a good plug in for eclipse can anyone recommend) > > thanks > > >http://www.debugbar.com/?langage=en > > > >Free for personal use. I find that debugging JS to be a very personal > issue. > > > >This is very handy as well > > > >http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage > > > > > > > > > >> > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318795 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: javascript debugger for ie
thanks for the recommendation... i have downloaded it and it tells me what line of code an error is on but it doesn't allow me to view that line of code, does it just alert you to the line or is there a way, like firebug, to get more details on the line and view the code etc... thanks (sorry dont mean to sound like i am asking for a tutorial, i just cannot work it out in the software and is the main thing i need it to have!) also, we are new to developing for all browsers (we have only programmed for firefox in the past) do you usually have a set of debuggers you use for the different browsers or do you have a combined tool (such as a plug in for eclipse, and if there is a good plug in for eclipse can anyone recommend) thanks >http://www.debugbar.com/?langage=en > >Free for personal use. I find that debugging JS to be a very personal issue. > >This is very handy as well > >http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage > > > > >> ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318794 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: javascript debugger for ie
http://www.debugbar.com/?langage=en Free for personal use. I find that debugging JS to be a very personal issue. This is very handy as well http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Richard White wrote: > > hi, > > sorry for the non-cf question but does anyone know a good opensource JS > debugger for IE, that is similar to FireBug for FireFox, and is not the > script debugger in IE (as i cannot get it to show on my browser) > > thanks > > richard > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318792 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: javascript debugger for ie
http://www.debugbar.com/ http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/CompanionJS/HomePage On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Richard White wrote: > > hi, > > sorry for the non-cf question but does anyone know a good opensource JS > debugger for IE, that is similar to FireBug for FireFox, and is not the > script debugger in IE (as i cannot get it to show on my browser) > > thanks > > richard > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318791 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
javascript debugger for ie
hi, sorry for the non-cf question but does anyone know a good opensource JS debugger for IE, that is similar to FireBug for FireFox, and is not the script debugger in IE (as i cannot get it to show on my browser) thanks richard ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:318790 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
