list status

[Dan Baughman]

Hey guys,

This list has served me well for a number of years but I'd like to
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Re: list status

[Matt Quackenbush]

Logging onto the site is the only way that I know of to officially
unsubscribe. Of course you could always just create a filter rule to catch
anything from HoF and delete it. That would be functionally similar. :-)


On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Dan Baughman dan.baugh...@gmail.comwrote:


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Re: list status

[Michael Dinowitz]

I'll look at both the password mechanism as well as unsubscribe you.


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Re: (admin) List Status

[Tom Chiverton]

On Tuesday 01 August 2006 15:29, Rick Faircloth wrote:
 Is there a way to set up some kind of reply formatting
 in Outlook like in Thunderbird?

Probably.
I used to use http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/

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Re: (admin) List Status

[Tom Chiverton]

On Monday 31 July 2006 18:49, Rick Faircloth wrote:
 I'm all for trimming posts and certainly understand the need, but I wish
 everyone would 

Post at the bottom like normal people :-)

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Re: (admin) List Status

[Mingo Hagen]

I feel a fight coming up...

Tom Chiverton wrote:
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RE: (admin) List Status

[Rick Faircloth]

Fight!  Fight!  (Virtual crowd gathers 'round)...


-Original Message-
From: Mingo Hagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 7:38 AM
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Subject: Re: (admin) List Status

I feel a fight coming up...

Tom Chiverton wrote:
 Post at the bottom like normal people :-)





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RE: (admin) List Status

[Rick Faircloth]

I haven't mastered normal yet.   Every time I think I've got
it figured out, it changes.  :o)

Rick

PS - Good idea for reading messages, but bad for composition...
too much time to copy, paste, etc., the previous message content.
Not only that, but I've also got to cut other quoted content from
the sent message.  :oP



-Original Message-
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Post at the bottom like normal people :-)

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Re: (admin) List Status

[Tom Chiverton]

On Tuesday 01 August 2006 13:46, Rick Faircloth wrote:
 Fight!  Fight!  (Virtual crowd gathers 'round)...

You wanna take it outside, do ya ?
Right...

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Re: (admin) List Status

[Tom Chiverton]

On Tuesday 01 August 2006 13:44, Rick Faircloth wrote:
 too much time to copy, paste, etc., the previous message content.

Get A Better Client :-)

 Not only that, but I've also got to cut other quoted content from
 the sent message.  :oP

Same as you have to trim N other top posted comments.
Bottom posting *forces* you to trim, or your comments end up 'over the fold'.

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RE: (admin) List Status

[Rick Faircloth]

Why wait 'til we get outside?  :o)

(Virtual crowd grows larger..avatars try to maintain order...)


PS - Man, Tom...you've got the longest signature block
in history.   Takes 2 minutes just to cut that out :o)

Rick

 You wanna take it outside, do ya ?
 Right...

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Re: (admin) List Status

[Mingo Hagen]

As long as we're complaining... I hate those long disclaimers at the 
bottom of your e-mail... last I heard, normal people don't have those, 
Tom? ;-)

Although as I write this I see Thunderbird has been nice enough to auto 
snip it off, because it's below two dashes... cool ;)

Mingo.

Tom Chiverton wrote:
 On Tuesday 01 August 2006 13:44, Rick Faircloth wrote:
   
 too much time to copy, paste, etc., the previous message content.
 

 Get A Better Client :-)

   
 Not only that, but I've also got to cut other quoted content from
 the sent message.  :oP
 

 Same as you have to trim N other top posted comments.
 Bottom posting *forces* you to trim, or your comments end up 'over the fold'.

   



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RE: (admin) List Status

[Rick Faircloth]

 Get A Better Client :-)

What do you use?

 Same as you have to trim N other top posted comments.
 Bottom posting *forces* you to trim, or your comments end up 'over the
fold'.

Sorry, not following...

Rick



-Original Message-
From: Tom Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 9:11 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: (admin) List Status

On Tuesday 01 August 2006 13:44, Rick Faircloth wrote:
 too much time to copy, paste, etc., the previous message content.

Get A Better Client :-)

 Not only that, but I've also got to cut other quoted content from the 
 sent message.  :oP

Same as you have to trim N other top posted comments.
Bottom posting *forces* you to trim, or your comments end up 'over the
fold'.

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RE: (admin) List Status

[Snake]

I wonder if companies realise just how worthless those disclaimers are
anyway 

-Original Message-
From: Mingo Hagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 01 August 2006 14:32
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: (admin) List Status

As long as we're complaining... I hate those long disclaimers at the bottom
of your e-mail... last I heard, normal people don't have those, Tom? ;-)

Although as I write this I see Thunderbird has been nice enough to auto snip
it off, because it's below two dashes... cool ;)

Mingo.

Tom Chiverton wrote:
 On Tuesday 01 August 2006 13:44, Rick Faircloth wrote:
   
 too much time to copy, paste, etc., the previous message content.
 

 Get A Better Client :-)

   
 Not only that, but I've also got to cut other quoted content from the 
 sent message.  :oP
 

 Same as you have to trim N other top posted comments.
 Bottom posting *forces* you to trim, or your comments end up 'over the
fold'.

   





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Re: (admin) List Status

[Mingo Hagen]

Apparently, they don't and I don't get why they don't, you would think 
that they'd get some legal advice on such matters... Assuming that the 
lawyers do know that they're worthless (the disclaimers, not the lawyers...)

Snake wrote:
 I wonder if companies realise just how worthless those disclaimers are
 anyway 



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Re: (admin) List Status

[Kris Jones]

In Tom's defense, (although I'm sure he can defend himself), some
companies auto-append those disclaimers at the mail server. So Tom's
sig may only be 1 line--his name.

 PS - Man, Tom...you've got the longest signature block
 in history.   Takes 2 minutes just to cut that out :o)

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RE: (admin) List Status

[Ken Ferguson]

I'm thinking of writing a little disclaimer on all of my cash that says
it belongs to Ken Ferguson and if it is found on the sidewalk in front
of a bar, that you are not allowed to spend it and must either return it
to me or dispose of it.

I wonder if that works?

--Ferg



-Original Message-
From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 8:44 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: (admin) List Status

I wonder if companies realise just how worthless those disclaimers are
anyway 

-Original Message-
From: Mingo Hagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 01 August 2006 14:32
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: (admin) List Status

As long as we're complaining... I hate those long disclaimers at the
bottom
of your e-mail... last I heard, normal people don't have those, Tom? ;-)

Although as I write this I see Thunderbird has been nice enough to auto
snip
it off, because it's below two dashes... cool ;)

Mingo.

Tom Chiverton wrote:
 On Tuesday 01 August 2006 13:44, Rick Faircloth wrote:
   
 too much time to copy, paste, etc., the previous message content.
 

 Get A Better Client :-)

   
 Not only that, but I've also got to cut other quoted content from the

 sent message.  :oP
 

 Same as you have to trim N other top posted comments.
 Bottom posting *forces* you to trim, or your comments end up 'over the
fold'.

   







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Re: (admin) List Status

[Tom Chiverton]

On Tuesday 01 August 2006 14:50, Kris Jones wrote:
 In Tom's defense, (although I'm sure he can defend himself), some
 companies auto-append those disclaimers at the mail server. So Tom's
 sig may only be 1 line--his name.

Indeed.
My sig is *two* lines (except when I alter it for comedy value).

I'm sure there should be some sort of X-Disclaimer-Link: header...

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Re: (admin) List Status

[Tom Chiverton]

On Tuesday 01 August 2006 14:32, Rick Faircloth wrote:
  Get A Better Client :-)
 What do you use?

KMail at work, Thunderbird at home.

  Same as you have to trim N other top posted comments.
  Bottom posting *forces* you to trim, or your comments end up 'over the
  fold'.

 Sorry, not following...

If you bottom / in-line reply, and don't trim to just a few quoted lines, your 
reply will get lost in the mail footer.

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Re: (admin) List Status

[Tom Chiverton]

On Tuesday 01 August 2006 14:32, Mingo Hagen wrote:
 Although as I write this I see Thunderbird has been nice enough to auto
 snip it off, because it's below two dashes... cool ;)

:nods
Two dashes rock :-)

I've just found 'use smaller font for quoted text' and 'show expand/collapse 
quote marks' :-)

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RE: (admin) List Status

[Rick Faircloth]

Is there a way to set up some kind of reply formatting
in Outlook like in Thunderbird?

Rick


-Original Message-
From: Mingo Hagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 9:32 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: (admin) List Status

As long as we're complaining... I hate those long disclaimers at the bottom
of your e-mail... last I heard, normal people don't have those, Tom? ;-)

Although as I write this I see Thunderbird has been nice enough to auto snip
it off, because it's below two dashes... cool ;)

Mingo.

Tom Chiverton wrote:
 On Tuesday 01 August 2006 13:44, Rick Faircloth wrote:
   
 too much time to copy, paste, etc., the previous message content.
 

 Get A Better Client :-)

   
 Not only that, but I've also got to cut other quoted content from the 
 sent message.  :oP
 

 Same as you have to trim N other top posted comments.
 Bottom posting *forces* you to trim, or your comments end up 'over the
fold'.

   





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(admin) List Status

[Michael Dinowitz]

I've done a major redesign of the House of Fusion user interface as well as the 
backend system. Posting through the archives should work as long as your 
subscribed to the list in question. The same goes for posting by email. If 
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Re: (admin) List Status

[Mingo Hagen]

Error reporting feature is great, however, I got a message too long 
error and it came through anyway... bug or feature?

Mingo.



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 being posted to). 

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Re: (admin) List Status

[Michael Dinowitz]

Feature. The email is a reminder to trim your posts, not a message saying that 
the job has been done for you.

 Error reporting feature is great, however, I got a message too long 
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RE: (admin) List Status

[Rick Faircloth]

Now, Charlie...  I don't know if that is an Amen to my previous
post about leaving part of the previous response in the reply or what!


Where's the part of the previous post!  :o)

Amen to what?  :o)

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: (admin) List Status

Amen

:)

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Re: (admin) List Status

[Mingo Hagen]

ROFL

Rick Faircloth wrote:
 Now, Charlie...  I don't know if that is an Amen to my previous
 post about leaving part of the previous response in the reply or what!


 Where's the part of the previous post!  :o)

 Amen to what?  :o)

 Rick



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Re: (admin) List Status

[Mary Jo Sminkey]

I'm all for trimming posts and certainly understand the need, but I wish
everyone would leave the last post (or part of it) in the reply so I could
have a reference point to responses.

I agree, although I do love this list for how well people generally do trim 
their posts. I run a few yahoogroups and people just always leave the entire 
previous post(s) attached and it just grows longer and longer...I wish *they* 
had a feature to remind people to trim their posts because I usually have to do 
it myself. 

Looks like some new features for those of us that read the list through the 
web, such a login box on the reply page (I always forget to login first). 
Thanks for adding this! 


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Re: (admin) List Status

[Michael Dinowitz]

All I ask is that people trim content from their posts that is not 
important. I think the filter is set to 100 lines, which is usually more 
than enough for anyone. :)
As for the new features, they've been on my list for a while and I just 
needed to get them in. If there's any others you would like, let me know off 
list and I'll see about adding them in. Currently my list has on it better 
post error messages, a tag cloud for all lists, better CSS, a book review 
link in place of the Amazon ads, direct ads rather than Google ones and an 
announcement for Sandy's CSS class so people can go to it and then give me 
CSS feedback. :)

 I agree, although I do love this list for how well people generally do 
 trim their posts. I run a few yahoogroups and people just always leave the 
 entire previous post(s) attached and it just grows longer and longer...I 
 wish *they* had a feature to remind people to trim their posts because I 
 usually have to do it myself.

 Looks like some new features for those of us that read the list through 
 the web, such a login box on the reply page (I always forget to login 
 first). Thanks for adding this!


 

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RE: (admin) List Status

[Rick Faircloth]

I'd still like to see Michael implement some kind of automated
trimming function for the mail.  Perhaps it could leave the
Original Message header, as below, and then leave the
next 10-20 lines of the message and trim the rest, including his
links etc., at the bottom.

No more manual trimming and no more looong posts...

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 3:23 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: (admin) List Status


I agree, although I do love this list for how well people generally do trim
their posts. I run a few yahoogroups and people just always leave the entire
previous post(s) attached and it just grows longer and longer...I wish
*they* had a feature to remind people to trim their posts because I usually
have to do it myself. 




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Re: (admin) List Status

[Mingo Hagen]

The problem with that would be that every mail client (in every 
different language) has it's own version of 'Original Message'.

Rick Faircloth wrote:
 I'd still like to see Michael implement some kind of automated
 trimming function for the mail.  Perhaps it could leave the
 Original Message header, as below, and then leave the
 next 10-20 lines of the message and trim the rest, including his
 links etc., at the bottom.

 No more manual trimming and no more looong posts...



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RE: (admin) List Status

[Rick Faircloth]

Is there a common data type for Original Message so that the specific
language can be ignored?

-Original Message-
From: Mingo Hagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 3:53 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: (admin) List Status

The problem with that would be that every mail client (in every different
language) has it's own version of 'Original Message'.





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cfcdev list status

[Raymond Camden]

(Forgive the OT msg)

I am aware of the bombing that has been going on the CFCDev list. I
am not sure iwhy/i it is happening though. It looks like the email
addresses that are no longer valid are having their failure notices
showing up on list. That should not happen, of course. I am manually
cleaning these people out when I can. I am going to open a ticket with
MailEnable since it also appears we may have hit the max number of
people for a mailing list, and obviously I want the list to grow.

However - I need to be away for most of today. So unfortunately I
can't do anything else right now. I deeply apologize for any trouble
this causes (boy do I love being an admin of a service ;) and I hope
to have things cleared away tonight.
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Re: cfcdev list status

[Raymond Camden]

Just an FYI, I'm running a queue cleaner and it is still in progress.
I've disabled the list for now. There are still messages in the
outgoing queue, so more will come out,  but it should be over soon.
Sorry for the trouble folks. I was going to open a ticket with
MailEnable, but they don't have a free support option - lovely.

On 10/29/05, Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 (Forgive the OT msg)

 I am aware of the bombing that has been going on the CFCDev list. I
 am not sure iwhy/i it is happening though. It looks like the email
 addresses that are no longer valid are having their failure notices
 showing up on list. That should not happen, of course. I am manually
 cleaning these people out when I can. I am going to open a ticket with
 MailEnable since it also appears we may have hit the max number of
 people for a mailing list, and obviously I want the list to grow.

 However - I need to be away for most of today. So unfortunately I
 can't do anything else right now. I deeply apologize for any trouble
 this causes (boy do I love being an admin of a service ;) and I hope
 to have things cleared away tonight.
 --
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(Admin) List Status

[Michael Dinowitz]

All of the lists on House of Fusion will be moving to HTML formatted mail. This
will mean that you will get your posts in the exact same way you do now, with
all HTML, Spam, scripts and viruses removed but with an HTML banner in the
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In addition to the paid banner ads, at least 10% of all ads will be for
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RE: List Status

[Andy Ousterhout]

Michael,

At least you got one day of rest this weekend.  Thanks for all of your hard
work.

Andy

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Dinowitz)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Dinowitz)]
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: List Status


What follows is just about a full account of what happened over the weekend
to
the HoF server. It is honest to the point of making me look bad but that's
just
me. :)

Basically, the post server got jammed when I tried to update its settings on
Friday. To the task manager it was still on but to the server itself, it was
hung. This caused a TON of mail to back up. Normally, this should not be a
problem but either I made a mistake with the mail settings or the new post
server didn't like something and when I restarted it Sat. night, it started
to
work and then really hung. I mean hung to the point of stopping ALL net
communications to the box. It could be pinged, but no HTTP, FTP, VNC, etc. I
think this is due to it using CF as its engine and it trying to use an
unlimited
number of CF threads or the equivalent. (I'm still not sure why). The end
result
was every now and again, the server was good for about 3 requests before
getting
hung up.
I wrote some code to watch for these openings and used it to kill a bunch of
services and get back on the box. On the box there was 59,000+ messages in
the
out dir. I tried new settings and restarted. Same problem. Eventually around
4am
Monday morning the box was totally unresponsive and I crashed for a few
hours. I
then called CFHosting (who provides the service) and asked them to kick the
box
while I was watching remotely and then wait there till I got it up right.
The
did so.
I replaced the new (beta) post server with the older released one and then
slowly moved the now 61,000+ messages into different directories by hand to
start getting them out (didn't want to lost anything). I had also turned off
all
receipt of mail by the box on Sunday so there were about 100+ messages still
waiting to be processed and turned into thousands more.
With the old post server in and more tweaks to the settings, I sat on the
box
all day watching mail get put into the queue, sent out, watching the logs,
etc.
Finally, around 5 or 6 the queue was cleaned and everything looked good. I
then
unlocked the receipt code and started to process backed up mail. Everything
seemed to work and after a bit of time watching that, I took a nap.
It all looks good now.

Questions:
Why didn't I see what was up till Sat night?
From sundown Friday to an hour after sundown Saturday night is the Jewish
Sabbath and during that time I'm totally out of communication with anyone
electronically. The only way I could even answer the phone is if it was
literally life or death and I heard it on the answering machine. Loong
story
there but basically no phone, no computers, no 'work' that can take me away
from
God and family on the day of rest.

Why did the post server fail? Is iMS faulty?
The post server in use was a beta given to me by Howie because I and others
noticed that some messages were being lost randomly (so it seems). This is
greater on high traffic days and less so on low. In order to make sure
everyone
got their messages and there were no problems, I put in the new server.
We're
looking into why this happened but on the whole, iMS is very solid. A side
note
in this is that I've heard similar complaints from other lists not using
iMS.
Complaints that mail messages are going missing which worries me greatly. Is
this a net thing? Is carnivore eating them? Is the problem still around with
the
new setting? All will be looked into.

Am I blaming iMS, Howie or anyone/anything else for this event?
NO! The blame for this falls squarely on my shoulders. I put the beta post
server into use. I changed the settings. I didn't see a need to call
CFHosting
till Monday morning. All in all, I'm happy that Howie was able to get me the
beta post server and keep in contact with me while this was happening. I'm
happy
CFHosting was able to get what I needed done quickly and effectively. I'm
even
glad that people on the list were so concerned that they emailed me. Of
course,
in almost all cases I didn't see the email till the server was back up,
but
:)

Can people email me directly for information or assistance?
Yes. A number of list members emailed asking what was up, is all was ok and
if
they could help. (I even got 2 donations through paypal.) During out times
of
this sort where the HoF website is down as well, you can ask me directly
about
the list status at my alternate address of [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a
rarely used backup that becomes my primary when the site is down (luckily
this
is very rare).

Michael Dinowitz
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Re: List Status

[mdinowit]

Actually, not. I was up for a lot of time fixing things. This is a no rest week
for me.


 Michael,

 At least you got one day of rest this weekend.  Thanks for all of your hard
 work.

 Andy

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Dinowitz)
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Dinowitz)]
 Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 11:59 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: List Status


 What follows is just about a full account of what happened over the weekend
 to
 the HoF server. It is honest to the point of making me look bad but that's
 just
 me. :)

 Basically, the post server got jammed when I tried to update its settings on
 Friday. To the task manager it was still on but to the server itself, it was
 hung. This caused a TON of mail to back up. Normally, this should not be a
 problem but either I made a mistake with the mail settings or the new post
 server didn't like something and when I restarted it Sat. night, it started
 to
 work and then really hung. I mean hung to the point of stopping ALL net
 communications to the box. It could be pinged, but no HTTP, FTP, VNC, etc. I
 think this is due to it using CF as its engine and it trying to use an
 unlimited
 number of CF threads or the equivalent. (I'm still not sure why). The end
 result
 was every now and again, the server was good for about 3 requests before
 getting
 hung up.
 I wrote some code to watch for these openings and used it to kill a bunch of
 services and get back on the box. On the box there was 59,000+ messages in
 the
 out dir. I tried new settings and restarted. Same problem. Eventually around
 4am
 Monday morning the box was totally unresponsive and I crashed for a few
 hours. I
 then called CFHosting (who provides the service) and asked them to kick the
 box
 while I was watching remotely and then wait there till I got it up right.
 The
 did so.
 I replaced the new (beta) post server with the older released one and then
 slowly moved the now 61,000+ messages into different directories by hand to
 start getting them out (didn't want to lost anything). I had also turned off
 all
 receipt of mail by the box on Sunday so there were about 100+ messages still
 waiting to be processed and turned into thousands more.
 With the old post server in and more tweaks to the settings, I sat on the
 box
 all day watching mail get put into the queue, sent out, watching the logs,
 etc.
 Finally, around 5 or 6 the queue was cleaned and everything looked good. I
 then
 unlocked the receipt code and started to process backed up mail. Everything
 seemed to work and after a bit of time watching that, I took a nap.
 It all looks good now.

 Questions:
 Why didn't I see what was up till Sat night?
 From sundown Friday to an hour after sundown Saturday night is the Jewish
 Sabbath and during that time I'm totally out of communication with anyone
 electronically. The only way I could even answer the phone is if it was
 literally life or death and I heard it on the answering machine. Loong
 story
 there but basically no phone, no computers, no 'work' that can take me away
 from
 God and family on the day of rest.

 Why did the post server fail? Is iMS faulty?
 The post server in use was a beta given to me by Howie because I and others
 noticed that some messages were being lost randomly (so it seems). This is
 greater on high traffic days and less so on low. In order to make sure
 everyone
 got their messages and there were no problems, I put in the new server.
 We're
 looking into why this happened but on the whole, iMS is very solid. A side
 note
 in this is that I've heard similar complaints from other lists not using
 iMS.
 Complaints that mail messages are going missing which worries me greatly. Is
 this a net thing? Is carnivore eating them? Is the problem still around with
 the
 new setting? All will be looked into.

 Am I blaming iMS, Howie or anyone/anything else for this event?
 NO! The blame for this falls squarely on my shoulders. I put the beta post
 server into use. I changed the settings. I didn't see a need to call
 CFHosting
 till Monday morning. All in all, I'm happy that Howie was able to get me the
 beta post server and keep in contact with me while this was happening. I'm
 happy
 CFHosting was able to get what I needed done quickly and effectively. I'm
 even
 glad that people on the list were so concerned that they emailed me. Of
 course,
 in almost all cases I didn't see the email till the server was back up,
 but
 :)

 Can people email me directly for information or assistance?
 Yes. A number of list members emailed asking what was up, is all was ok and
 if
 they could help. (I even got 2 donations through paypal.) During out times
 of
 this sort where the HoF website is down as well, you can ask me directly
 about
 the list status at my alternate address of [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a
 rarely used backup that becomes my primary when the site is down (luckily
 this
 is very rare).

 Michael Dinowitz
 Master of the House

List Status

[mdinowit]

What follows is just about a full account of what happened over the weekend to
the HoF server. It is honest to the point of making me look bad but that's just
me. :)

Basically, the post server got jammed when I tried to update its settings on
Friday. To the task manager it was still on but to the server itself, it was
hung. This caused a TON of mail to back up. Normally, this should not be a
problem but either I made a mistake with the mail settings or the new post
server didn't like something and when I restarted it Sat. night, it started to
work and then really hung. I mean hung to the point of stopping ALL net
communications to the box. It could be pinged, but no HTTP, FTP, VNC, etc. I
think this is due to it using CF as its engine and it trying to use an unlimited
number of CF threads or the equivalent. (I'm still not sure why). The end result
was every now and again, the server was good for about 3 requests before getting
hung up.
I wrote some code to watch for these openings and used it to kill a bunch of
services and get back on the box. On the box there was 59,000+ messages in the
out dir. I tried new settings and restarted. Same problem. Eventually around 4am
Monday morning the box was totally unresponsive and I crashed for a few hours. I
then called CFHosting (who provides the service) and asked them to kick the box
while I was watching remotely and then wait there till I got it up right. The
did so.
I replaced the new (beta) post server with the older released one and then
slowly moved the now 61,000+ messages into different directories by hand to
start getting them out (didn't want to lost anything). I had also turned off all
receipt of mail by the box on Sunday so there were about 100+ messages still
waiting to be processed and turned into thousands more.
With the old post server in and more tweaks to the settings, I sat on the box
all day watching mail get put into the queue, sent out, watching the logs, etc.
Finally, around 5 or 6 the queue was cleaned and everything looked good. I then
unlocked the receipt code and started to process backed up mail. Everything
seemed to work and after a bit of time watching that, I took a nap.
It all looks good now.

Questions:
Why didn't I see what was up till Sat night?
From sundown Friday to an hour after sundown Saturday night is the Jewish
Sabbath and during that time I'm totally out of communication with anyone
electronically. The only way I could even answer the phone is if it was
literally life or death and I heard it on the answering machine. Loong story
there but basically no phone, no computers, no 'work' that can take me away from
God and family on the day of rest.

Why did the post server fail? Is iMS faulty?
The post server in use was a beta given to me by Howie because I and others
noticed that some messages were being lost randomly (so it seems). This is
greater on high traffic days and less so on low. In order to make sure everyone
got their messages and there were no problems, I put in the new server. We're
looking into why this happened but on the whole, iMS is very solid. A side note
in this is that I've heard similar complaints from other lists not using iMS.
Complaints that mail messages are going missing which worries me greatly. Is
this a net thing? Is carnivore eating them? Is the problem still around with the
new setting? All will be looked into.

Am I blaming iMS, Howie or anyone/anything else for this event?
NO! The blame for this falls squarely on my shoulders. I put the beta post
server into use. I changed the settings. I didn't see a need to call CFHosting
till Monday morning. All in all, I'm happy that Howie was able to get me the
beta post server and keep in contact with me while this was happening. I'm happy
CFHosting was able to get what I needed done quickly and effectively. I'm even
glad that people on the list were so concerned that they emailed me. Of course,
in almost all cases I didn't see the email till the server was back up, but
:)

Can people email me directly for information or assistance?
Yes. A number of list members emailed asking what was up, is all was ok and if
they could help. (I even got 2 donations through paypal.) During out times of
this sort where the HoF website is down as well, you can ask me directly about
the list status at my alternate address of [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a
rarely used backup that becomes my primary when the site is down (luckily this
is very rare).

Michael Dinowitz
Master of the House of Fusion
http://www.houseoffusion.com

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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Steven Dworman]

agreed

-Original Message-
From: Sicular, Alexander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 3:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


Sorry , but armpit of america status belongs to east lansing, michigan.
Believe me , I spent two years there and yes, we did call it the armpit of
america.



Alexander Sicular
Chief Technology Architect
Neurological Institute of New York
Columbia University
as867 [at] columbia {dot} edu


|-Original Message-
|From: Robert Forsyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
|Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 3:00 PM
|To: CF-Talk
|Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
|
|
|I spent a lifetime in Buffalo one Saturday...
|
|
|-Original Message-
|From: Michael Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
|Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:54 PM
|To: CF-Talk
|Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
|
|
|Buffalo the armpit of America even Clevelands better than
|buffalo.well just barely
|
|

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RE: MS SQL vs MySQL WAS: [admin] List status

[Justin Greene]

Last time I checked it did not support refrential integrity, you enforce it
manually.  This and lack of stored procedure support is enough to keep me
away (as much as I would like a free/cheap alternative).

Justin

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:57 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: MS SQL vs MySQL WAS: [admin] List status
 
 I should have been more specific, but I mean in terms of 
 features and not just speed. 
 
 I use stored procs almost exclusively and thats my only 
 main gripe about MySQL.
 
 
 --
 Clint Tredway
 --
 Through Him, anything is possible.
  What about the recent comparison in eWeek between MySQL, Oracl9i and
  SQL2k? MySQL was neck and neck with Oracle in response time and
  throughput, both better than SQL2k?
  
   I know that MySQL cannot really stand up to MS SQL but
   when you are talking about the amount that MS SQL costs
   versus using MySQL, I would us MySQL unless someone just
   wanted to pay for MS SQL.
   
   --
   Clint Tredway
   --
   Through Him, anything is possible.
Can you say crap. :)
   
I am not a big fan of MySQL.  I have to do some work 
 in it and it pales
in comparison.
   
   
-Original Message-
From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:19 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: [admin] List status
   
Can you say MySQL?
   
g
   
- Original Message -
From: Margaret Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:10 PM
Subject: RE: [admin] List status
   
   
 Actually, we just priced this:

 It is about $5000 per cpu if you get SQL Server 
 Standard edition and
about
 20,000 (not sure about this one) per cpu if you want 
 Enterprise
edition. The
 difference between the editions is failover and uptime tools.

   
   
   
   
   
  
   
  
 
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Re: MS SQL vs MySQL WAS: [admin] List status

[Jochem van Dieten]

Justin Greene wrote:
 Last time I checked it did not support refrential integrity, you enforce it
 manually.  This and lack of stored procedure support is enough to keep me
 away (as much as I would like a free/cheap alternative).

Then pick something else, it is not like MySQL is the only option.

FireBird: http://firebird.sourceforge.net/
SAPdb: http://www.sapdb.org/
PostgreSQL: http://postgresql.org/

I only have hands-on experience with PostgreSQL, and it rocks. Extremely 
stable, standards compliant and feature complete. Not to mention free, 
and I don't mean as in beer but I mean as in speach (but the beer 
part is free as well).

Jochem

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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Joseph Thompson]

Here here. Australia... Too young for Florida deg

 a former Olympic Stadium
 to hold Michael's presentations in.  It's not doing anything a few days of
 the year.About 360 days a year at last count.


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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Shawnea Carter]

and alligators, water moccasins and creepy guys that have been to one to
many bar (For the natives:  the ones (guys) in Central Florida that wear
that ball cap like thing . . . think Palatka)

I shudder.

- Original Message -
From: Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 4:27 PM
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


 ..and sharks

 At 11:20 AM 5/15/2002 -0700, you wrote:
 What are you afraid of:  terrorists, hurricaines, train derailments,
 voting scandals, tourist taxes, water shortages, impossible traffic,
 lightning, speaking spanish, Jimmy Buffet, or sunburn?  Certainly
 there's nothing wrong with Florida that Jeb Bush or Janet Reno can't
 fix.  It helps if you say that over and over.
 
 Good Fortune,
 Richard Walters,
 Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (800) 604-5227 x 3525
 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 02:07PM 
 No way, everything happens in Florida, time to share the wealth.  What
 about
 Buffalo, NY?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:47 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
 
 
 Perhaps we should start planning the CF-Talk Expo here in Florida?
 
 Good Fortune,
 Richard Walters,
 Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (800) 604-5227 x 3525
 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:36PM 
 We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been
 consuming that gift.
 
 Kevin
 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM 
 Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug,
 or
 license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?
 
 
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
   To: CF-Talk
   Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
  
  
   Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
   get back to
   the news ha.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
   To: CF-Talk
   Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
  
  
   I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
   Our goal is
   $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
   To: CF-Talk
   Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
  
  
   I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
   could see that
   the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
   inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see
 that a
   goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
   before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
 that
   there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
   that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be
 inclined to
   donate $100.
  
   Regards,
  
   Howie
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Lee Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
   Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
  
  
Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! grin)
   
Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will
 report
on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle
 things,
and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
   
Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be
 hidden..
 And
I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless
 information we
gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
   
Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there
 afterwards, if
anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to
 do
with it.. I'm sure.
   
Just my .02
   
  
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Development]

I'll second that Buffalo nomination!

Jeff


- Original Message -
From: Ryan Pieszak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:07 PM
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


 No way, everything happens in Florida, time to share the wealth.  What
about
 Buffalo, NY?

 -Original Message-
 From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:47 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


 Perhaps we should start planning the CF-Talk Expo here in Florida?

 Good Fortune,
 Richard Walters,
 Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (800) 604-5227 x 3525

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:36PM 
 We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been
 consuming that gift.

 Kevin

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM 
 Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug,
 or
 license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?



  -Original Message-
  From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
 
 
  Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
  get back to
  the news ha.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
 
 
  I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
  Our goal is
  $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
 
 
  I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
  could see that
  the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
  inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see
 that a
  goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
  before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
 that
  there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
  that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be
 inclined to
  donate $100.
 
  Regards,
 
  Howie
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Lee Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
  Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
 
 
   Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! grin)
  
   Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will
 report
   on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle
 things,
   and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
   group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
  
   Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be hidden..
 And
   I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
   receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless
 information we
   gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
  
   Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there
 afterwards, if
   anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to
 do
   with it.. I'm sure.
  
   Just my .02
  
 
 
 
 
 



 
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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[David Schmidt]

If you come to Seattle, we'll promise not to tear-gas ya!



 -Original Message-
 From: Development [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 7:21 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
 
 
 I'll second that Buffalo nomination!
 
 Jeff
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Ryan Pieszak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:07 PM
 Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
 
 
  No way, everything happens in Florida, time to share the wealth.  What
 about
  Buffalo, NY?
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:47 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
 
 
  Perhaps we should start planning the CF-Talk Expo here in Florida?
 
  Good Fortune,
  Richard Walters,
  Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  (800) 604-5227 x 3525
 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:36PM 
  We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been
  consuming that gift.
 
  Kevin
 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM 
  Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug,
  or
  license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?
 
 
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
   To: CF-Talk
   Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
  
  
   Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
   get back to
   the news ha.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
   To: CF-Talk
   Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
  
  
   I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
   Our goal is
   $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
   To: CF-Talk
   Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
  
  
   I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
   could see that
   the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
   inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see
  that a
   goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
   before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
  that
   there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
   that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be
  inclined to
   donate $100.
  
   Regards,
  
   Howie
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Lee Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
   Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
  
  
Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! grin)
   
Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will
  report
on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle
  things,
and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
   
Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be hidden..
  And
I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless
  information we
gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
   
Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there
  afterwards, if
anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to
  do
with it.. I'm sure.
   
Just my .02
   
  
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
  
 
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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Rich Wild]

I'm going unilateral in my vote for Bournemouth, England. I'm confident that
this one will be a winner, I really am.

 -Original Message-
 From: Development [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 16 May 2002 15:21
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
 
 
 I'll second that Buffalo nomination!
 
 Jeff
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Ryan Pieszak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:07 PM
 Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
 
 
  No way, everything happens in Florida, time to share the 
 wealth.  What
 about
  Buffalo, NY?
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:47 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
 
 
  Perhaps we should start planning the CF-Talk Expo here in Florida?
 
  Good Fortune,
  Richard Walters,
  Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  (800) 604-5227 x 3525
 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:36PM 
  We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been
  consuming that gift.
 
  Kevin
 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM 
  Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, 
 coffee mug,
  or
  license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?
 
 
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
   To: CF-Talk
   Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
  
  
   Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
   get back to
   the news ha.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
   To: CF-Talk
   Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
  
  
   I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
   Our goal is
   $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
   To: CF-Talk
   Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
  
  
   I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
   could see that
   the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
   inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and 
 need to see
  that a
   goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
   before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
  that
   there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
   that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be
  inclined to
   donate $100.
  
   Regards,
  
   Howie
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Lee Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
   Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
  
  
Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! grin)
   
Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm 
 sure will
  report
on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle
  things,
and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll 
 probabaly ask the
group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
   
Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should 
 be hidden..
  And
I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, 
 ANYTHING he
receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless
  information we
gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
   
Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there
  afterwards, if
anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote 
 on what to
  do
with it.. I'm sure.
   
Just my .02
   
  
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
  
 
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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Development]

Not terribly long.. Its a 400 or so mile trip... Quicker to take a plane
Beleive it or not, Buffalo even has its own airport.. ;-)

Jeff

- Original Message -
From: Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:14 PM
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


 How long does it take to get there by train from Manhatten?

 At 02:07 PM 5/15/02, you wrote:
 No way, everything happens in Florida, time to share the wealth.  What
about
 Buffalo, NY?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:47 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
 
 
 Perhaps we should start planning the CF-Talk Expo here in Florida?
 
 Good Fortune,
 Richard Walters,
 Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (800) 604-5227 x 3525
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:36PM 
 We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been
 consuming that gift.
 
 Kevin
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM 
 Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug,
 or
 license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
 
 
  Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
  get back to
  the news ha.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
 
 
  I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
  Our goal is
  $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
 
 
  I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
  could see that
  the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
  inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see
 that a
  goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
  before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
 that
  there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
  that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be
 inclined to
  donate $100.
 
  Regards,
 
  Howie
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Lee Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
  Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
 
 
   Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! grin)
  
   Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will
 report
   on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle
 things,
   and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
   group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
  
   Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be hidden..
 And
   I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
   receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless
 information we
   gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
  
   Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there
 afterwards, if
   anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to
 do
   with it.. I'm sure.
  
   Just my .02
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Sharon Diorio]

ROTFLMAO!  My niece lives in East Palatka.  Fortunately she still has all her teeth.

Sharon
- Original Message - 
From: Shawnea Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


 and alligators, water moccasins and creepy guys that have been to one to
 many bar (For the natives:  the ones (guys) in Central Florida that wear
 that ball cap like thing . . . think Palatka)
 
 I shudder.
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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Charlie]

A third vote for the Buffalo nomination



- Original Message -
From: Development [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


 I'll second that Buffalo nomination!

 Jeff


 - Original Message -
 From: Ryan Pieszak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 2:07 PM
 Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


  No way, everything happens in Florida, time to share the wealth.  What
 about
  Buffalo, NY?
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:47 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
 
 
  Perhaps we should start planning the CF-Talk Expo here in Florida?
 
  Good Fortune,
  Richard Walters,
  Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  (800) 604-5227 x 3525
 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:36PM 
  We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been
  consuming that gift.
 
  Kevin
 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM 
  Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug,
  or
  license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?
 
 
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
   To: CF-Talk
   Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
  
  
   Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
   get back to
   the news ha.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
   To: CF-Talk
   Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
  
  
   I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
   Our goal is
   $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
   To: CF-Talk
   Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
  
  
   I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
   could see that
   the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
   inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see
  that a
   goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
   before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
  that
   there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
   that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be
  inclined to
   donate $100.
  
   Regards,
  
   Howie
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Lee Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
   Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
  
  
Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! grin)
   
Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will
  report
on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle
  things,
and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
   
Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be hidden..
  And
I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless
  information we
gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
   
Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there
  afterwards, if
anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to
  do
with it.. I'm sure.
   
Just my .02
   
  
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [admin] List status

[Michael Dinowitz]

Michael Dinowitz
3501 Ave K
Brooklyn, NY 11210

 I got just rid of my Paypal acct when I hit my max and they wanted a bank acct #.  
Got a Plan B (mail address or something) Michael?
 
 Cheers,
 
 --Matt--
 
 -- Original Message --
 from: Bob Lehman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:33:05 -0400
 
 Just donated my 10 bucks. More than worth it.
 
 Good luck Michael
 
 Enjoy
 
 Bob Lehman
 New Horizon Mgmt and Consulting
 440-542-0992
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 - Original Message -
 From: Paul Giesenhagen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [admin] List status
 
 
  Everyone who gets help from this list pitch in .. a server license is
  thousands of $$$ and the help and support is priceless...
 
  If everyone pitched in $10.00 from the list, he would get about $35,000
  that would keep it running reay smooth!
 
  Paul Giesenhagen
  QuillDesign
 
 
 
   I've started the ball rolling on my side and some people from the list
  have started donating. It's a good thing as the list archives are
 currently
  550 meg in an access DB. A disaster waiting to happen.
  
   At 03:42 PM 5/14/02, you wrote:
   Wow, searching the archives would be 'the heat'! how can we help to get
  the
   sql box online?
   
   Tony Gruen
   
   
   
   
  
  
 
 
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RE: [admin] List status

[Kevin Schmidt]

Can you say crap. :)

I am not a big fan of MySQL.  I have to do some work in it and it pales
in comparison.


-Original Message-
From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:19 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: [admin] List status

Can you say MySQL?

g

- Original Message - 
From: Margaret Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:10 PM
Subject: RE: [admin] List status


 Actually, we just priced this:
 
 It is about $5000 per cpu if you get SQL Server Standard edition and
about
 20,000 (not sure about this one) per cpu if you want Enterprise
edition. The
 difference between the editions is failover and uptime tools.
 


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Re: [admin] List status

[David Schmidt]

 I am not a big fan of MySQL.  I have to do some work in it and it pales
 in comparison.


Yes, but compared to the performance of MS Access how does it do?  I'm just talking 
performance, not administration.  There are
admin tools out there for the front end.


 -Original Message-
 From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:19 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: [admin] List status

 Can you say MySQL?

 g

 - Original Message -
 From: Margaret Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:10 PM
 Subject: RE: [admin] List status


  Actually, we just priced this:
 
  It is about $5000 per cpu if you get SQL Server Standard edition and
 about
  20,000 (not sure about this one) per cpu if you want Enterprise
 edition. The
  difference between the editions is failover and uptime tools.
 


 
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RE: [admin] List status

[Kevin Schmidt]

I am sure performance wise it is better, but the admin tools aren't
great.  There is nothing even close to Enterprise Manager.  And someone
correct me if I am wrong, but does MySQL support stored procs yet? Last
time I checked it still didn't.  It just seems clunky to me.

Mike, who hosts the lists, do they have a dedicated SQL box that you
could use rather than purchasing your own, or do you host the lists
yourself?



-Original Message-
From: David Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:57 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: [admin] List status

 I am not a big fan of MySQL.  I have to do some work in it and it
pales
 in comparison.


Yes, but compared to the performance of MS Access how does it do?  I'm
just talking performance, not administration.  There are
admin tools out there for the front end.


 -Original Message-
 From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:19 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: [admin] List status

 Can you say MySQL?

 g

 - Original Message -
 From: Margaret Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:10 PM
 Subject: RE: [admin] List status


  Actually, we just priced this:
 
  It is about $5000 per cpu if you get SQL Server Standard edition and
 about
  20,000 (not sure about this one) per cpu if you want Enterprise
 edition. The
  difference between the editions is failover and uptime tools.
 


 

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RE: database server (was: [admin] List status)

[Dave Watts]

   Actually, we just priced this:
   
   It is about $5000 per cpu if you get SQL Server Standard 
   edition and about 20,000 (not sure about this one) per cpu 
   if you want Enterprise edition. The difference between the 
   editions is failover and uptime tools.
  
  Can you say MySQL?

 Can you say crap. :)
 
 I am not a big fan of MySQL. I have to do some work in it 
 and it pales in comparison.

I'd be the first to agree that MySQL is not comparable to SQL Server 7 or
2000. However, for the project that Michael is interested in (a search
interface, with no actual budget or money to speak of), MySQL or PostgreSQL
would certainly be worth consideration.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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RE: [admin] List status

[cstredway]

I know that MySQL cannot really stand up to MS SQL but 
when you are talking about the amount that MS SQL costs 
versus using MySQL, I would us MySQL unless someone just 
wanted to pay for MS SQL.

--
Clint Tredway
--
Through Him, anything is possible.
 Can you say crap. :)
 
 I am not a big fan of MySQL.  I have to do some work in it and it pales
 in comparison.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:19 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: [admin] List status
 
 Can you say MySQL?
 
 g
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Margaret Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:10 PM
 Subject: RE: [admin] List status
 
 
  Actually, we just priced this:
  
  It is about $5000 per cpu if you get SQL Server Standard edition and
 about
  20,000 (not sure about this one) per cpu if you want Enterprise
 edition. The
  difference between the editions is failover and uptime tools.
  
 
 
 
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RE: [admin] List status

[Michael Ross]

Michael are we talking getting an actually box at your place (or where ever to do 
this) or you can you piggy back on an already live sql enterprise box (thats not even 
close to being utilized)?  I am not sure how legal this might be or even if my boss 
would go for it, but at $500 for sql 2000 enterprise (state prices!!!) maybe something 
else could be done...

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 08:59AM 
I know that MySQL cannot really stand up to MS SQL but 
when you are talking about the amount that MS SQL costs 
versus using MySQL, I would us MySQL unless someone just 
wanted to pay for MS SQL.

--
Clint Tredway
--
Through Him, anything is possible.
 Can you say crap. :)
 
 I am not a big fan of MySQL.  I have to do some work in it and it pales
 in comparison.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:19 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: [admin] List status
 
 Can you say MySQL?
 
 g
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Margaret Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:10 PM
 Subject: RE: [admin] List status
 
 
  Actually, we just priced this:
  
  It is about $5000 per cpu if you get SQL Server Standard edition and
 about
  20,000 (not sure about this one) per cpu if you want Enterprise
 edition. The
  difference between the editions is failover and uptime tools.
  
 
 
 

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Re: [admin] List status

[Howie Hamlin]

I've seen independent tests that showed that MySql was actually faster than MSSQL.  Of 
course, results may vary but the point is
that MySql is no slouch.

MySql 4.1 (yes, it's vaporware currently) is slated to support stored procedures...

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- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 8:59 AM
Subject: RE: [admin] List status


 I know that MySQL cannot really stand up to MS SQL but
 when you are talking about the amount that MS SQL costs
 versus using MySQL, I would us MySQL unless someone just
 wanted to pay for MS SQL.

 --
 Clint Tredway
 --
 Through Him, anything is possible.


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RE: [admin] List status

[Joshua Tipton]

Does mysql have full text searching capabilities like MS SQL if not then
they would be almost pointless to use MY SQL to search through the list
archives.

Josh

-Original Message-
From: Michael Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:50 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [admin] List status


Michael are we talking getting an actually box at your place (or where ever
to do this) or you can you piggy back on an already live sql enterprise box
(thats not even close to being utilized)?  I am not sure how legal this
might be or even if my boss would go for it, but at $500 for sql 2000
enterprise (state prices!!!) maybe something else could be done...

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 08:59AM 
I know that MySQL cannot really stand up to MS SQL but
when you are talking about the amount that MS SQL costs
versus using MySQL, I would us MySQL unless someone just
wanted to pay for MS SQL.

--
Clint Tredway
--
Through Him, anything is possible.
 Can you say crap. :)

 I am not a big fan of MySQL.  I have to do some work in it and it pales
 in comparison.


 -Original Message-
 From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:19 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: [admin] List status

 Can you say MySQL?

 g

 - Original Message -
 From: Margaret Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:10 PM
 Subject: RE: [admin] List status


  Actually, we just priced this:
 
  It is about $5000 per cpu if you get SQL Server Standard edition and
 about
  20,000 (not sure about this one) per cpu if you want Enterprise
 edition. The
  difference between the editions is failover and uptime tools.
 





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RE: [admin] List status

[Dave Watts]

 Does mysql have full text searching capabilities like 
 MS SQL if not then they would be almost pointless to 
 use MY SQL to search through the list archives.

I don't know whether MySQL provides that, but you could just as easily use
Verity for that, assuming you're writing the front end in CF. The K2 stuff
in CF 5 and CF MX is pretty nice.

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RE: [admin] List status

[Craig Thomas]

Ever hear of Verity?


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RE: [admin] List status

[Joshua Tipton]

Duh Verity I forgot about that.  But still wouldnt the back end of sql be
alot faster than cf verity?

-Original Message-
From: Joshua Tipton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:03 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [admin] List status


Does mysql have full text searching capabilities like MS SQL if not then
they would be almost pointless to use MY SQL to search through the list
archives.

Josh

-Original Message-
From: Michael Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:50 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [admin] List status


Michael are we talking getting an actually box at your place (or where ever
to do this) or you can you piggy back on an already live sql enterprise box
(thats not even close to being utilized)?  I am not sure how legal this
might be or even if my boss would go for it, but at $500 for sql 2000
enterprise (state prices!!!) maybe something else could be done...

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 08:59AM 
I know that MySQL cannot really stand up to MS SQL but
when you are talking about the amount that MS SQL costs
versus using MySQL, I would us MySQL unless someone just
wanted to pay for MS SQL.

--
Clint Tredway
--
Through Him, anything is possible.
 Can you say crap. :)

 I am not a big fan of MySQL.  I have to do some work in it and it pales
 in comparison.


 -Original Message-
 From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:19 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: [admin] List status

 Can you say MySQL?

 g

 - Original Message -
 From: Margaret Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:10 PM
 Subject: RE: [admin] List status


  Actually, we just priced this:
 
  It is about $5000 per cpu if you get SQL Server Standard edition and
 about
  20,000 (not sure about this one) per cpu if you want Enterprise
 edition. The
  difference between the editions is failover and uptime tools.
 






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RE: Verity (was: [admin] List status)

[Dave Watts]

 Duh Verity I forgot about that. But still wouldnt the back 
 end of sql be alot faster than cf verity?

No, there's no reason for it to be that way. The K2 server is pretty fast.
In addition, you can offload K2 search functionality onto a separate machine
from your web and database servers.

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Re: Verity (was: [admin] List status)

[Paul Hastings]

  Duh Verity I forgot about that. But still wouldnt the back
  end of sql be alot faster than cf verity?

 No, there's no reason for it to be that way. The K2 server is pretty fast.
 In addition, you can offload K2 search functionality onto a separate
machine
 from your web and database servers.

no caching. can't join back to the indexed table. can't combine with other
WHERE clause stuff. sql server text indexing beats the pants  socks off of
verity.

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Re: [admin] List status

[Pete Ruckelshaus]

Allow me to interject a word of reason here, from the perspective of someone
who runs a well-used web resource that I almost shut down because of the
time/money involved.  A very limited number of people offered some financial
donations, which covered about half of what it cost to host the
site...enough to convince me to keep it running.  But a FAR greater number
of people tried to tell me where to host the site (it was already some
pretty inexpensive hosting, with good features and support), what
technologies to use (Why use CF when PHP is free...idiotic stuff like that),
how to build it, what database to use, etc.  In the end, I was almost sorry
that the save the site effort even got started.

Here's what we need to give Michael.  Financial and moral support. PayPal
him a couple of bucks. If he has a question about what sort of database to
use, he'll ask it, but I don't think he did ask that question (considering
he said he had a license for SQL7 that he could use), so we should all just
let him get on with it.  Anything more is just noise.

Sorry, I just had to pipe in with my 1/50th of a buck.

Pete

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RE: Verity (was: [admin] List status)

[Joshua Tipton]

That it was I thought but me not ever using verity before I was not sure.

Josh

-Original Message-
From: Paul Hastings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:32 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Verity (was: [admin] List status)


  Duh Verity I forgot about that. But still wouldnt the back
  end of sql be alot faster than cf verity?

 No, there's no reason for it to be that way. The K2 server is pretty fast.
 In addition, you can offload K2 search functionality onto a separate
machine
 from your web and database servers.

no caching. can't join back to the indexed table. can't combine with other
WHERE clause stuff. sql server text indexing beats the pants  socks off of
verity.


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RE: [admin] List status

[Mark A. Kruger - CFG]

Ok - Michael, send the details for giving you money via paypal (are there
details)?  CFWT will send some payola to you g.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: Pete Ruckelshaus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:37 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: [admin] List status


Allow me to interject a word of reason here, from the perspective of someone
who runs a well-used web resource that I almost shut down because of the
time/money involved.  A very limited number of people offered some financial
donations, which covered about half of what it cost to host the
site...enough to convince me to keep it running.  But a FAR greater number
of people tried to tell me where to host the site (it was already some
pretty inexpensive hosting, with good features and support), what
technologies to use (Why use CF when PHP is free...idiotic stuff like that),
how to build it, what database to use, etc.  In the end, I was almost sorry
that the save the site effort even got started.

Here's what we need to give Michael.  Financial and moral support. PayPal
him a couple of bucks. If he has a question about what sort of database to
use, he'll ask it, but I don't think he did ask that question (considering
he said he had a license for SQL7 that he could use), so we should all just
let him get on with it.  Anything more is just noise.

Sorry, I just had to pipe in with my 1/50th of a buck.

Pete


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RE: [admin] List status

[Craig Thomas]

The paypal link is:

https:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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RE: [admin] List status

[Lee Fuller]

Still didn't hear...

Michael,

How many of us on this list?  And do you have any stats on how many are
active?


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RE: Verity (was: [admin] List status)

[Dave Watts]

   Duh Verity I forgot about that. But still wouldnt the back
   end of sql be alot faster than cf verity?
 
  No, there's no reason for it to be that way. The K2 server 
  is pretty fast. In addition, you can offload K2 search 
  functionality onto a separate machine from your web and 
  database servers.
 
 no caching. can't join back to the indexed table. can't 
 combine with other WHERE clause stuff. sql server text 
 indexing beats the pants  socks off of verity.

Well, I know you like the SQL Server text indexing quite a bit, but in
fairness, these aren't serious issues in most of the search functionality
I've seen. You're free to cache what you like, after it comes back from
Verity, for example, by sticking it in a memory variable, although I don't
know how reusable that would be. In addition, Verity K2 has its own internal
caching, although I have no idea how it works, or how well it works compared
to that of SQL Server. As for joining back to the indexed table, you're
right, although in most cases I'm not sure I'd want to join back to that
table - I just want to show the results in a drill-down interface, and let
the user pick a record before fetching more information. Even if I did want
more information right away, it's pretty trivial to simply query the
database using the Verity keys. The same goes for combining it with other
WHERE clause stuff; you can just query the database using the Verity keys
and the additional filtering clauses that you want.

I admit that, given a choice, I might go with SQL Server's indexing, but I
don't know whether I'd justify purchasing SQL Server for a project for that
reason alone, when Verity provides most of the functionality that the
project might need. In addition, Verity can do some things that I don't know
whether you can do in SQL Server's text indexing, like spidering sites and
indexing filesystem contents (although I suspect that if one knew enough
about SQL Server's full text indexing, it could easily be combined with NTFS
full text indexing since they use the same underlying engine.

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RE: Verity (was: [admin] List status)

[Philip Arnold - ASP]

 no caching. can't join back to the indexed table. can't
 combine with other
 WHERE clause stuff. sql server text indexing beats the pants
  socks off of verity.

We use both in different situations

Verity has the text branching, so if you enter a word, it'll include
plural, ing and such like

SQL Server can be cached, but you'll end up eating the CF cache memory
if you have loads of sites and quite a few searches (as our servers do)

It's horses for courses, but there are uses for both...

Philip Arnold
Technical Director
Certified ColdFusion Developer
ASP Multimedia Limited
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RE: Verity (was: [admin] List status)

[Mark A. Kruger - CFG]

As an aside - Could you not use Q of a Q to cache a verify search (and not
have to fool with persistant variables)?

-mk

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:38 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Verity (was: [admin] List status)


 no caching. can't join back to the indexed table. can't
 combine with other
 WHERE clause stuff. sql server text indexing beats the pants
  socks off of verity.

We use both in different situations

Verity has the text branching, so if you enter a word, it'll include
plural, ing and such like

SQL Server can be cached, but you'll end up eating the CF cache memory
if you have loads of sites and quite a few searches (as our servers do)

It's horses for courses, but there are uses for both...

Philip Arnold
Technical Director
Certified ColdFusion Developer
ASP Multimedia Limited
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Fax: +44 (0)20 8686 7911

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RE: [admin] List status

[Michael Dinowitz]

Sorry, Judith's sick in bed and I just got into work and online. The list membership 
for CF-Talk has been down reciently to 1856 members on list. If you add in the NNTP 
readers, archive readers and all we'd have about double that. This is the reason I 
want to provide better resources. To get the information to more people through more 
channels. 
My goal for the lists are to have them as lists with immediate delivery, digests on 
the hour on up to once a day. An archive that can be searched and posted from that 
will include the proper threading (message id and reference id) when a message is 
posed from them. An NNTP interface so that a post can go from NNTP to the list and the 
archives in one fell swoop. Finally, a web service interface so that other devices can 
get the data. 
This may sound like a lot of work but it's rather easy if done in steps. The staggered 
digests and the archive are done. Plugging a verity search into that is simple to do 
and automating parts of it are one of my specialties (I think I use the scheduler more 
than anyone else around). The posting from the archives to the list is done on the 
back end and just needs a nice front end for it. I wrote a new CF_MakeTree that's 
tighter than hell to get the threading done right. NNTP is something that I'm talking 
to someone about and they can comment on it if they want. Web services is just a quick 
CFC to the archives with no real front end. 
Step by step it's being done and will get done. 

At 11:21 AM 5/15/02, you wrote:
Still didn't hear...

Michael,

How many of us on this list?  And do you have any stats on how many are
active?



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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Lee Fuller]

Ok.. Putting on my board of directors hat...

So, if I read things properly, we're (at best) about 3700, and at worst
(if you figure 1/2 are simply not active) 900.

To be conservative, we're looking at 3/4 of the actual subscriber base
(not NNTP) as potential donors.  That makes it about 1400.

After all is said and done, you'll need more than $5000, even with the
wonderful generosity of some who are donating systems (thanks guys!!).
I'm guessing more like $6500.

Simple math says...

6500 / 1400 = $4.64 per subscriber.

Reality is, that's a perfect world scenario.  But it also shows that
it's not a huge issue to overcome.

So, I will offer a challenge to all of whom are able to do so.  Donate
$200 to the fund to build up this list.  If you cannot donate $200, then
donate whatever you can.  However, if we cut the number above in 1/2,
it's about $10 each.  If you cut it into 1/4, it's about $20.  So, I'm
willing to pay for 40 of the 1400... Anyone else?

Let's move this forward quickly, and support the person/entity that has
tirelessly supported us.  He deserves it.

Check's on the way Michael, payable to you.

 
Lee Fuller
Chief Technical Officer
PrimeDNA / AAA Web Hosting Corporations
 
 


| -Original Message-
| From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
| Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:01 AM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: RE: [admin] List status
| 
| 
| Sorry, Judith's sick in bed and I just got into work and 
| online. The list membership for CF-Talk has been down 
| reciently to 1856 members on list. If you add in the NNTP 
| readers, archive readers and all we'd have about double that. 
| This is the reason I want to provide better resources. To get 
| the information to more people through more channels. 
| My goal for the lists are to have them as lists with 
| immediate delivery, digests on the hour on up to once a day. 
| An archive that can be searched and posted from that will 
| include the proper threading (message id and reference id) 
| when a message is posed from them. An NNTP interface so that 
| a post can go from NNTP to the list and the archives in one 
| fell swoop. Finally, a web service interface so that other 
| devices can get the data. 
| This may sound like a lot of work but it's rather easy if 
| done in steps. The staggered digests and the archive are 
| done. Plugging a verity search into that is simple to do and 
| automating parts of it are one of my specialties (I think I 
| use the scheduler more than anyone else around). The posting 
| from the archives to the list is done on the back end and 
| just needs a nice front end for it. I wrote a new CF_MakeTree 
| that's tighter than hell to get the threading done right. 
| NNTP is something that I'm talking to someone about and they 
| can comment on it if they want. Web services is just a quick 
| CFC to the archives with no real front end. 
| Step by step it's being done and will get done. 
| 
| At 11:21 AM 5/15/02, you wrote:
| Still didn't hear...
| 
| Michael,
| 
| How many of us on this list?  And do you have any stats on 
| how many are 
| active?
| 
| 
| 
| 
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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Mark A. Kruger - CFG]

Already gave at the paypal office  - in for 75.

-Original Message-
From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:15 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


Ok.. Putting on my board of directors hat...

So, if I read things properly, we're (at best) about 3700, and at worst
(if you figure 1/2 are simply not active) 900.

To be conservative, we're looking at 3/4 of the actual subscriber base
(not NNTP) as potential donors.  That makes it about 1400.

After all is said and done, you'll need more than $5000, even with the
wonderful generosity of some who are donating systems (thanks guys!!).
I'm guessing more like $6500.

Simple math says...

6500 / 1400 = $4.64 per subscriber.

Reality is, that's a perfect world scenario.  But it also shows that
it's not a huge issue to overcome.

So, I will offer a challenge to all of whom are able to do so.  Donate
$200 to the fund to build up this list.  If you cannot donate $200, then
donate whatever you can.  However, if we cut the number above in 1/2,
it's about $10 each.  If you cut it into 1/4, it's about $20.  So, I'm
willing to pay for 40 of the 1400... Anyone else?

Let's move this forward quickly, and support the person/entity that has
tirelessly supported us.  He deserves it.

Check's on the way Michael, payable to you.

 
Lee Fuller
Chief Technical Officer
PrimeDNA / AAA Web Hosting Corporations
 
 


| -Original Message-
| From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
| Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:01 AM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: RE: [admin] List status
| 
| 
| Sorry, Judith's sick in bed and I just got into work and 
| online. The list membership for CF-Talk has been down 
| reciently to 1856 members on list. If you add in the NNTP 
| readers, archive readers and all we'd have about double that. 
| This is the reason I want to provide better resources. To get 
| the information to more people through more channels. 
| My goal for the lists are to have them as lists with 
| immediate delivery, digests on the hour on up to once a day. 
| An archive that can be searched and posted from that will 
| include the proper threading (message id and reference id) 
| when a message is posed from them. An NNTP interface so that 
| a post can go from NNTP to the list and the archives in one 
| fell swoop. Finally, a web service interface so that other 
| devices can get the data. 
| This may sound like a lot of work but it's rather easy if 
| done in steps. The staggered digests and the archive are 
| done. Plugging a verity search into that is simple to do and 
| automating parts of it are one of my specialties (I think I 
| use the scheduler more than anyone else around). The posting 
| from the archives to the list is done on the back end and 
| just needs a nice front end for it. I wrote a new CF_MakeTree 
| that's tighter than hell to get the threading done right. 
| NNTP is something that I'm talking to someone about and they 
| can comment on it if they want. Web services is just a quick 
| CFC to the archives with no real front end. 
| Step by step it's being done and will get done. 
| 
| At 11:21 AM 5/15/02, you wrote:
| Still didn't hear...
| 
| Michael,
| 
| How many of us on this list?  And do you have any stats on 
| how many are 
| active?
| 
| 
| 
| 

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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Howie Hamlin]

Personally, I think that people would be more willing to donate if there was some kind 
of indication as to the toal amount needed
(itemized) and an indicator of the amount donated.  Having some kind of meter would be 
helpful.  Something like:

$10,000 -- Our goal
|
|
$7500
|
|
$5000
|
-- $3500 Donated so far
|
$2500
|
|
--

Also, a list of the top 10 or so contributors would be good.

This way, potential donors could get an idea about what the goal is, how much is 
needed for the goal and the current status.   The
top contributors list would be a good way to thank the people that donated the most.

Regards,

Howie

- Original Message -
From: Lee Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:14 PM
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


 Ok.. Putting on my board of directors hat...

 So, if I read things properly, we're (at best) about 3700, and at worst
 (if you figure 1/2 are simply not active) 900.

 To be conservative, we're looking at 3/4 of the actual subscriber base
 (not NNTP) as potential donors.  That makes it about 1400.

 After all is said and done, you'll need more than $5000, even with the
 wonderful generosity of some who are donating systems (thanks guys!!).
 I'm guessing more like $6500.

 Simple math says...

 6500 / 1400 = $4.64 per subscriber.

 Reality is, that's a perfect world scenario.  But it also shows that
 it's not a huge issue to overcome.

 So, I will offer a challenge to all of whom are able to do so.  Donate
 $200 to the fund to build up this list.  If you cannot donate $200, then
 donate whatever you can.  However, if we cut the number above in 1/2,
 it's about $10 each.  If you cut it into 1/4, it's about $20.  So, I'm
 willing to pay for 40 of the 1400... Anyone else?

 Let's move this forward quickly, and support the person/entity that has
 tirelessly supported us.  He deserves it.

 Check's on the way Michael, payable to you.


 Lee Fuller
 Chief Technical Officer
 PrimeDNA / AAA Web Hosting Corporations



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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Robert Forsyth]

Already gave at the paypal office  - in for 75.


what's the paypal address...I'm in.

Robert Forsyth 
Director of Internet Operations
Allbritton Communications Company (WJLA-TV)
202-364-7831 (direct)
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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Paul Giesenhagen]

I already gave yesterday, but I agree if we knew the costs, we could see
where everyone is at and then add accordingly...  I would be willing to pump
in more money, if I knew where we stood!

Paul Giesenhagen
QuillDesign



 Personally, I think that people would be more willing to donate if there
was some kind of indication as to the toal amount needed
 (itemized) and an indicator of the amount donated.  Having some kind of
meter would be helpful.  Something like:

 $10,000 -- Our goal
 |
 |
 $7500
 |
 |
 $5000
 |
 -- $3500 Donated so far
 |
 $2500
 |
 |
 --

 Also, a list of the top 10 or so contributors would be good.

 This way, potential donors could get an idea about what the goal is, how
much is needed for the goal and the current status.   The
 top contributors list would be a good way to thank the people that donated
the most.

 Regards,

 Howie

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 From: Lee Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:14 PM
 Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


  Ok.. Putting on my board of directors hat...
 
  So, if I read things properly, we're (at best) about 3700, and at worst
  (if you figure 1/2 are simply not active) 900.
 
  To be conservative, we're looking at 3/4 of the actual subscriber base
  (not NNTP) as potential donors.  That makes it about 1400.
 
  After all is said and done, you'll need more than $5000, even with the
  wonderful generosity of some who are donating systems (thanks guys!!).
  I'm guessing more like $6500.
 
  Simple math says...
 
  6500 / 1400 = $4.64 per subscriber.
 
  Reality is, that's a perfect world scenario.  But it also shows that
  it's not a huge issue to overcome.
 
  So, I will offer a challenge to all of whom are able to do so.  Donate
  $200 to the fund to build up this list.  If you cannot donate $200, then
  donate whatever you can.  However, if we cut the number above in 1/2,
  it's about $10 each.  If you cut it into 1/4, it's about $20.  So, I'm
  willing to pay for 40 of the 1400... Anyone else?
 
  Let's move this forward quickly, and support the person/entity that has
  tirelessly supported us.  He deserves it.
 
  Check's on the way Michael, payable to you.
 
 
  Lee Fuller
  Chief Technical Officer
  PrimeDNA / AAA Web Hosting Corporations
 
 

 
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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Cantrell, Adam]

I propose a 10% cut, payable to myself since I'm the one who got this thread
rolling after all :P

Michael, your list helps in many ways. You should have a new payment in your
pay pal account. Thanks again.

Adam.

ps. My initial post wasn't serious; just in case you had any doubts.



 -Original Message-
 From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:15 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
 
 
 Ok.. Putting on my board of directors hat...
 
 So, if I read things properly, we're (at best) about 3700, 
 and at worst
 (if you figure 1/2 are simply not active) 900.
 
 To be conservative, we're looking at 3/4 of the actual subscriber base
 (not NNTP) as potential donors.  That makes it about 1400.
 
 After all is said and done, you'll need more than $5000, even with the
 wonderful generosity of some who are donating systems (thanks guys!!).
 I'm guessing more like $6500.
 
 Simple math says...
 
   6500 / 1400 = $4.64 per subscriber.
 
 Reality is, that's a perfect world scenario.  But it also shows that
 it's not a huge issue to overcome.
 
 So, I will offer a challenge to all of whom are able to do so.  Donate
 $200 to the fund to build up this list.  If you cannot donate 
 $200, then
 donate whatever you can.  However, if we cut the number above in 1/2,
 it's about $10 each.  If you cut it into 1/4, it's about $20.  So, I'm
 willing to pay for 40 of the 1400... Anyone else?
 
 Let's move this forward quickly, and support the 
 person/entity that has
 tirelessly supported us.  He deserves it.
 
 Check's on the way Michael, payable to you.
 
  
 Lee Fuller
 Chief Technical Officer
 PrimeDNA / AAA Web Hosting Corporations
  
  
 
 
 | -Original Message-
 | From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 | Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:01 AM
 | To: CF-Talk
 | Subject: RE: [admin] List status
 | 
 | 
 | Sorry, Judith's sick in bed and I just got into work and 
 | online. The list membership for CF-Talk has been down 
 | reciently to 1856 members on list. If you add in the NNTP 
 | readers, archive readers and all we'd have about double that. 
 | This is the reason I want to provide better resources. To get 
 | the information to more people through more channels. 
 | My goal for the lists are to have them as lists with 
 | immediate delivery, digests on the hour on up to once a day. 
 | An archive that can be searched and posted from that will 
 | include the proper threading (message id and reference id) 
 | when a message is posed from them. An NNTP interface so that 
 | a post can go from NNTP to the list and the archives in one 
 | fell swoop. Finally, a web service interface so that other 
 | devices can get the data. 
 | This may sound like a lot of work but it's rather easy if 
 | done in steps. The staggered digests and the archive are 
 | done. Plugging a verity search into that is simple to do and 
 | automating parts of it are one of my specialties (I think I 
 | use the scheduler more than anyone else around). The posting 
 | from the archives to the list is done on the back end and 
 | just needs a nice front end for it. I wrote a new CF_MakeTree 
 | that's tighter than hell to get the threading done right. 
 | NNTP is something that I'm talking to someone about and they 
 | can comment on it if they want. Web services is just a quick 
 | CFC to the archives with no real front end. 
 | Step by step it's being done and will get done. 
 | 
 | At 11:21 AM 5/15/02, you wrote:
 | Still didn't hear...
 | 
 | Michael,
 | 
 | How many of us on this list?  And do you have any stats on 
 | how many are 
 | active?
 | 
 | 
 | 
 | 
 
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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Lee Fuller]

Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! grin)

Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will report
on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle things,
and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.

Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be hidden.. And
I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless information we
gain from this list, and ultimately his support.

Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there afterwards, if
anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to do
with it.. I'm sure.

Just my .02



| -Original Message-
| From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
| Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:22 AM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
| 
| 
| Personally, I think that people would be more willing to 
| donate if there was some kind of indication as to the toal 
| amount needed
| (itemized) and an indicator of the amount donated.  Having 
| some kind of meter would be helpful.  Something like:
| 
| $10,000 -- Our goal
| |
| |
| $7500
| |
| |
| $5000
| |
| -- $3500 Donated so far
| |
| $2500
| |
| |
| --
| 
| Also, a list of the top 10 or so contributors would be good.
| 
| This way, potential donors could get an idea about what the 
| goal is, how much is needed for the goal and the current status.   The
| top contributors list would be a good way to thank the people 
| that donated the most.
| 
| Regards,
| 
| Howie
| 
| - Original Message -
| From: Lee Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:14 PM
| Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
| 
| 
|  Ok.. Putting on my board of directors hat...
| 
|  So, if I read things properly, we're (at best) about 3700, and at 
|  worst (if you figure 1/2 are simply not active) 900.
| 
|  To be conservative, we're looking at 3/4 of the actual 
| subscriber base 
|  (not NNTP) as potential donors.  That makes it about 1400.
| 
|  After all is said and done, you'll need more than $5000, 
| even with the 
|  wonderful generosity of some who are donating systems 
| (thanks guys!!). 
|  I'm guessing more like $6500.
| 
|  Simple math says...
| 
|  6500 / 1400 = $4.64 per subscriber.
| 
|  Reality is, that's a perfect world scenario.  But it also 
| shows that 
|  it's not a huge issue to overcome.
| 
|  So, I will offer a challenge to all of whom are able to do 
| so.  Donate 
|  $200 to the fund to build up this list.  If you cannot donate $200, 
|  then donate whatever you can.  However, if we cut the 
| number above in 
|  1/2, it's about $10 each.  If you cut it into 1/4, it's about $20.  
|  So, I'm willing to pay for 40 of the 1400... Anyone else?
| 
|  Let's move this forward quickly, and support the person/entity that 
|  has tirelessly supported us.  He deserves it.
| 
|  Check's on the way Michael, payable to you.
| 
| 
|  Lee Fuller
|  Chief Technical Officer
|  PrimeDNA / AAA Web Hosting Corporations
| 
| 
| 
| 
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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Howie Hamlin]

I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone could see that the goal 
was not yet reached then they would be more
inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see that a goal was 
not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure that there were 
enough donations.  If, however, they could see
that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be inclined to donate $100.

Regards,

Howie

- Original Message -
From: Lee Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


 Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! grin)

 Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will report
 on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle things,
 and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
 group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.

 Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be hidden.. And
 I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
 receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless information we
 gain from this list, and ultimately his support.

 Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there afterwards, if
 anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to do
 with it.. I'm sure.

 Just my .02



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RE: [admin] List status

[Ryan Kime]

Hey Michael,

This sounds great! Can I suggest something for the people that get the list
at work? How about a weekend hiatus digest version? Something for people
that read during the week but don't view the list on weekends and want to
stay up with what happened with a simple digest email or two. Just a
thought.

I like the digest-an-hour idea...this list is great, but my inbox gets
pummeled on some days.


Thanks for your hard work,

Ryan Kime

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:01 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [admin] List status


Sorry, Judith's sick in bed and I just got into work and online. The list
membership for CF-Talk has been down reciently to 1856 members on list. If
you add in the NNTP readers, archive readers and all we'd have about double
that. This is the reason I want to provide better resources. To get the
information to more people through more channels. 
My goal for the lists are to have them as lists with immediate delivery,
digests on the hour on up to once a day. An archive that can be searched and
posted from that will include the proper threading (message id and reference
id) when a message is posed from them. An NNTP interface so that a post can
go from NNTP to the list and the archives in one fell swoop. Finally, a web
service interface so that other devices can get the data. 
This may sound like a lot of work but it's rather easy if done in steps. The
staggered digests and the archive are done. Plugging a verity search into
that is simple to do and automating parts of it are one of my specialties (I
think I use the scheduler more than anyone else around). The posting from
the archives to the list is done on the back end and just needs a nice front
end for it. I wrote a new CF_MakeTree that's tighter than hell to get the
threading done right. NNTP is something that I'm talking to someone about
and they can comment on it if they want. Web services is just a quick CFC to
the archives with no real front end. 
Step by step it's being done and will get done. 
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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Lee Fuller]

Very true...  And in retrospect, I agree.

Nonetheless, I think Michael will report whatever he gets.. So it's
proabably a moot issue.



| -Original Message-
| From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
| Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
| To: CF-Talk
| Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
| 
| 
| I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone 
| could see that the goal was not yet reached then they would 
| be more inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic 
| and need to see that a goal was not reached.  If, say, 
| someone waits a few weeks before donating they may throw in 
| 10 bucks because they may figure that there were enough 
| donations.  If, however, they could see that the donations 
| were a few thousand short then they may be inclined to donate $100.
| 
| Regards,
| 
| Howie
| 
| - Original Message -
| From: Lee Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
| Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
| 
| 
|  Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! grin)
| 
|  Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will 
|  report on what's left after his decisions are made about 
| how to handle things,
|  and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
|  group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
| 
|  Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be hidden.. 
|  And I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, 
| ANYTHING he 
|  receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless 
| information 
|  we gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
| 
|  Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there 
| afterwards, 
|  if anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote 
| on what to 
|  do with it.. I'm sure.
| 
|  Just my .02
| 
| 
| 
| 
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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Ian Lurie]

I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR: Our goal is
$5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!

-Original Message-
From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone could see that
the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see that a
goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure that
there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be inclined to
donate $100.

Regards,

Howie

- Original Message -
From: Lee Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


 Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! grin)

 Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will report
 on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle things,
 and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
 group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.

 Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be hidden.. And
 I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
 receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless information we
 gain from this list, and ultimately his support.

 Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there afterwards, if
 anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to do
 with it.. I'm sure.

 Just my .02




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Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Michael Dinowitz]

An indicator of what's been given is a good idea. I'm not so hot on publishing who 
gave or not for a simple reason, I don't want anyone to feel bad about not giving or 
giving less than anyone else. Despite my reputation as the evil one (blessed be me), I 
do care about others feelings. :)

At 12:21 PM 5/15/02, you wrote:
Personally, I think that people would be more willing to donate if there was some 
kind of indication as to the toal amount needed
(itemized) and an indicator of the amount donated.  Having some kind of meter would 
be helpful.  Something like:

$10,000 -- Our goal
|
|
$7500
|
|
$5000
|
-- $3500 Donated so far
|
$2500
|
|
--

Also, a list of the top 10 or so contributors would be good.

This way, potential donors could get an idea about what the goal is, how much is 
needed for the goal and the current status.   The
top contributors list would be a good way to thank the people that donated the most.

Regards,

Howie

- Original Message -
From: Lee Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:14 PM
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


 Ok.. Putting on my board of directors hat...

 So, if I read things properly, we're (at best) about 3700, and at worst
 (if you figure 1/2 are simply not active) 900.

 To be conservative, we're looking at 3/4 of the actual subscriber base
 (not NNTP) as potential donors.  That makes it about 1400.

 After all is said and done, you'll need more than $5000, even with the
 wonderful generosity of some who are donating systems (thanks guys!!).
 I'm guessing more like $6500.

 Simple math says...

 6500 / 1400 = $4.64 per subscriber.

 Reality is, that's a perfect world scenario.  But it also shows that
 it's not a huge issue to overcome.

 So, I will offer a challenge to all of whom are able to do so.  Donate
 $200 to the fund to build up this list.  If you cannot donate $200, then
 donate whatever you can.  However, if we cut the number above in 1/2,
 it's about $10 each.  If you cut it into 1/4, it's about $20.  So, I'm
 willing to pay for 40 of the 1400... Anyone else?

 Let's move this forward quickly, and support the person/entity that has
 tirelessly supported us.  He deserves it.

 Check's on the way Michael, payable to you.


 Lee Fuller
 Chief Technical Officer
 PrimeDNA / AAA Web Hosting Corporations




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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Tony Gruen]

uh - excuse, I started this thread. I also just offered Michael hosting and
a dedicated machine in outr environment.

Tony Gruen

-Original Message-
From: Cantrell, Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:25 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


I propose a 10% cut, payable to myself since I'm the one who got this thread
rolling after all :P

Michael, your list helps in many ways. You should have a new payment in your
pay pal account. Thanks again.

Adam.

ps. My initial post wasn't serious; just in case you had any doubts.



 -Original Message-
 From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:15 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


 Ok.. Putting on my board of directors hat...

 So, if I read things properly, we're (at best) about 3700,
 and at worst
 (if you figure 1/2 are simply not active) 900.

 To be conservative, we're looking at 3/4 of the actual subscriber base
 (not NNTP) as potential donors.  That makes it about 1400.

 After all is said and done, you'll need more than $5000, even with the
 wonderful generosity of some who are donating systems (thanks guys!!).
 I'm guessing more like $6500.

 Simple math says...

   6500 / 1400 = $4.64 per subscriber.

 Reality is, that's a perfect world scenario.  But it also shows that
 it's not a huge issue to overcome.

 So, I will offer a challenge to all of whom are able to do so.  Donate
 $200 to the fund to build up this list.  If you cannot donate
 $200, then
 donate whatever you can.  However, if we cut the number above in 1/2,
 it's about $10 each.  If you cut it into 1/4, it's about $20.  So, I'm
 willing to pay for 40 of the 1400... Anyone else?

 Let's move this forward quickly, and support the
 person/entity that has
 tirelessly supported us.  He deserves it.

 Check's on the way Michael, payable to you.


 Lee Fuller
 Chief Technical Officer
 PrimeDNA / AAA Web Hosting Corporations




 | -Original Message-
 | From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 | Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:01 AM
 | To: CF-Talk
 | Subject: RE: [admin] List status
 |
 |
 | Sorry, Judith's sick in bed and I just got into work and
 | online. The list membership for CF-Talk has been down
 | reciently to 1856 members on list. If you add in the NNTP
 | readers, archive readers and all we'd have about double that.
 | This is the reason I want to provide better resources. To get
 | the information to more people through more channels.
 | My goal for the lists are to have them as lists with
 | immediate delivery, digests on the hour on up to once a day.
 | An archive that can be searched and posted from that will
 | include the proper threading (message id and reference id)
 | when a message is posed from them. An NNTP interface so that
 | a post can go from NNTP to the list and the archives in one
 | fell swoop. Finally, a web service interface so that other
 | devices can get the data.
 | This may sound like a lot of work but it's rather easy if
 | done in steps. The staggered digests and the archive are
 | done. Plugging a verity search into that is simple to do and
 | automating parts of it are one of my specialties (I think I
 | use the scheduler more than anyone else around). The posting
 | from the archives to the list is done on the back end and
 | just needs a nice front end for it. I wrote a new CF_MakeTree
 | that's tighter than hell to get the threading done right.
 | NNTP is something that I'm talking to someone about and they
 | can comment on it if they want. Web services is just a quick
 | CFC to the archives with no real front end.
 | Step by step it's being done and will get done.
 |
 | At 11:21 AM 5/15/02, you wrote:
 | Still didn't hear...
 | 
 | Michael,
 | 
 | How many of us on this list?  And do you have any stats on
 | how many are
 | active?
 | 
 | 
 | 
 |


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RE: [admin] List status

[chad]

I wonder if Macromedia could chip in?  Maybe supply some licensing for Michael?




At 10:59 AM 5/15/2002 -0400, you wrote:
The paypal link is:

https:[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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RE: [admin] List status

[Michael Dinowitz]

Actually, MM supplied the CF 5 server and will probably do the same for the CF MX 
server as well. I'm going to mention some of the projects and needs to people there 
but I'm not sure what'll come from it. On the other hand, I know that I'm useful to 
them. :)

At 12:56 PM 5/15/02, you wrote:
I wonder if Macromedia could chip in?  Maybe supply some licensing for Michael?




At 10:59 AM 5/15/2002 -0400, you wrote:
The paypal link is:

https:[EMAIL PROTECTED]




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DB Servers RE: [admin] List status

[Michael Dinowitz]

What didn't you like about MySQL? Was it a UI issue, a performance one or something 
else? I'm sure others would like to know the specifics and I definitely do.
Thanks

At 08:52 AM 5/15/02, you wrote:
Can you say crap. :)

I am not a big fan of MySQL.  I have to do some work in it and it pales
in comparison.


-Original Message-
From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:19 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: [admin] List status

Can you say MySQL?

g

- Original Message - 
From: Margaret Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:10 PM
Subject: RE: [admin] List status


 Actually, we just priced this:
 
 It is about $5000 per cpu if you get SQL Server Standard edition and
about
 20,000 (not sure about this one) per cpu if you want Enterprise
edition. The
 difference between the editions is failover and uptime tools.
 



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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Mark A. Kruger - CFG]

Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will get back to
the news ha.

-Original Message-
From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR: Our goal is
$5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!

-Original Message-
From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone could see that
the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see that a
goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure that
there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be inclined to
donate $100.

Regards,

Howie

- Original Message -
From: Lee Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


 Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! grin)

 Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will report
 on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle things,
 and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
 group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.

 Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be hidden.. And
 I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
 receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless information we
 gain from this list, and ultimately his support.

 Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there afterwards, if
 anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to do
 with it.. I'm sure.

 Just my .02





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RE: [admin] List status

[Michael Dinowitz]

Mike, who hosts the lists, do they have a dedicated SQL box that you
could use rather than purchasing your own, or do you host the lists
yourself?
CFHosting has been providing out bandwidth for the last year or three. They may have a 
shared SQL box and I've already contacted them about some of this. 




-Original Message-
From: David Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 7:57 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: [admin] List status

 I am not a big fan of MySQL.  I have to do some work in it and it
pales
 in comparison.


Yes, but compared to the performance of MS Access how does it do?  I'm
just talking performance, not administration.  There are
admin tools out there for the front end.


 -Original Message-
 From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:19 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: [admin] List status

 Can you say MySQL?

 g

 - Original Message -
 From: Margaret Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:10 PM
 Subject: RE: [admin] List status


  Actually, we just priced this:
 
  It is about $5000 per cpu if you get SQL Server Standard edition and
 about
  20,000 (not sure about this one) per cpu if you want Enterprise
 edition. The
  difference between the editions is failover and uptime tools.
 


 


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RE: [admin] List status

[Michael Dinowitz]

We could piggy back on a SQL box that's on the same network. It all has to do with the 
way the archives and the lists are interacting. In reality, they're one in the same 
and have to be together (I think I posted the layout).
Now what exactly do you mean by $500 for SQL 2k?

At 09:49 AM 5/15/02, you wrote:
Michael are we talking getting an actually box at your place (or where ever to do 
this) or you can you piggy back on an already live sql enterprise box (thats not even 
close to being utilized)?  I am not sure how legal this might be or even if my boss 
would go for it, but at $500 for sql 2000 enterprise (state prices!!!) maybe 
something else could be done...

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 08:59AM 
I know that MySQL cannot really stand up to MS SQL but 
when you are talking about the amount that MS SQL costs 
versus using MySQL, I would us MySQL unless someone just 
wanted to pay for MS SQL.

--
Clint Tredway
--
Through Him, anything is possible.
 Can you say crap. :)
 
 I am not a big fan of MySQL.  I have to do some work in it and it pales
 in comparison.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:19 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: [admin] List status
 
 Can you say MySQL?
 
 g
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Margaret Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:10 PM
 Subject: RE: [admin] List status
 
 
  Actually, we just priced this:
  
  It is about $5000 per cpu if you get SQL Server Standard edition and
 about
  20,000 (not sure about this one) per cpu if you want Enterprise
 edition. The
  difference between the editions is failover and uptime tools.
  
 
 
 


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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[David Schmidt]

Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug, or
license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?



 -Original Message-
 From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


 Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
 get back to
 the news ha.

 -Original Message-
 From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


 I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
 Our goal is
 $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!

 -Original Message-
 From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


 I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
 could see that
 the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
 inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see that a
 goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
 before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure that
 there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
 that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be inclined to
 donate $100.

 Regards,

 Howie

 - Original Message -
 From: Lee Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
 Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


  Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! grin)
 
  Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will report
  on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle things,
  and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
  group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
 
  Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be hidden.. And
  I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
  receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless information we
  gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
 
  Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there afterwards, if
  anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to do
  with it.. I'm sure.
 
  Just my .02
 




 
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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Mark A. Kruger - CFG]

No but you do get a copy of Bob Edwards new book My voice is smoother than
yours.

-Original Message-
From: David Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 12:14 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug, or
license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?



 -Original Message-
 From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


 Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
 get back to
 the news ha.

 -Original Message-
 From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


 I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
 Our goal is
 $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!

 -Original Message-
 From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


 I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
 could see that
 the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
 inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see that a
 goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
 before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure that
 there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
 that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be inclined to
 donate $100.

 Regards,

 Howie

 - Original Message -
 From: Lee Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
 Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


  Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! grin)
 
  Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will report
  on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle things,
  and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
  group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
 
  Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be hidden.. And
  I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
  receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless information we
  gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
 
  Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there afterwards, if
  anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to do
  with it.. I'm sure.
 
  Just my .02
 






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RE: [admin] List status

[Mark A. Kruger - CFG]

Yeah - sign us up for that price (is that a vendor in the Caymen Islands or
what?)

-Original Message-
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:12 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [admin] List status


We could piggy back on a SQL box that's on the same network. It all has to
do with the way the archives and the lists are interacting. In reality,
they're one in the same and have to be together (I think I posted the
layout).
Now what exactly do you mean by $500 for SQL 2k?

At 09:49 AM 5/15/02, you wrote:
Michael are we talking getting an actually box at your place (or where ever
to do this) or you can you piggy back on an already live sql enterprise box
(thats not even close to being utilized)?  I am not sure how legal this
might be or even if my boss would go for it, but at $500 for sql 2000
enterprise (state prices!!!) maybe something else could be done...

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 08:59AM 
I know that MySQL cannot really stand up to MS SQL but
when you are talking about the amount that MS SQL costs
versus using MySQL, I would us MySQL unless someone just
wanted to pay for MS SQL.

--
Clint Tredway
--
Through Him, anything is possible.
 Can you say crap. :)

 I am not a big fan of MySQL.  I have to do some work in it and it pales
 in comparison.


 -Original Message-
 From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:19 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: [admin] List status

 Can you say MySQL?

 g

 - Original Message -
 From: Margaret Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:10 PM
 Subject: RE: [admin] List status


  Actually, we just priced this:
 
  It is about $5000 per cpu if you get SQL Server Standard edition and
 about
  20,000 (not sure about this one) per cpu if you want Enterprise
 edition. The
  difference between the editions is failover and uptime tools.
 






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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Tony Schreiber]

I missed the part where someone mentioned a paypal address?

 Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug, or
 license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?



  -Original Message-
  From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
 
 
  Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
  get back to
  the news ha.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
 
 
  I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
  Our goal is
  $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
 
 
  I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
  could see that
  the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
  inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see that a
  goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
  before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure that
  there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
  that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be inclined to
  donate $100.
 
  Regards,
 
  Howie
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Lee Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
  Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE
 
 
   Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! grin)
  
   Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will report
   on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle things,
   and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
   group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
  
   Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be hidden.. And
   I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
   receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless information we
   gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
  
   Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there afterwards, if
   anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to do
   with it.. I'm sure.
  
   Just my .02
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Kevin Schmidt]

Or you can get My Voice Annoys the Hell Out of You by Diane Rheim

-Original Message-
From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:25 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

No but you do get a copy of Bob Edwards new book My voice is smoother
than
yours.

-Original Message-
From: David Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 12:14 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug,
or
license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?



 -Original Message-
 From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


 Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
 get back to
 the news ha.

 -Original Message-
 From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


 I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
 Our goal is
 $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!

 -Original Message-
 From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


 I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
 could see that
 the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
 inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see
that a
 goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
 before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure
that
 there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
 that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be inclined
to
 donate $100.

 Regards,

 Howie

 - Original Message -
 From: Lee Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
 Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


  Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! grin)
 
  Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will
report
  on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle
things,
  and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
  group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
 
  Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be hidden..
And
  I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
  receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless
information we
  gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
 
  Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there afterwards,
if
  anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to do
  with it.. I'm sure.
 
  Just my .02
 







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MS SQL vs MySQL WAS: [admin] List status

[Tony Schreiber]

What about the recent comparison in eWeek between MySQL, Oracl9i and
SQL2k? MySQL was neck and neck with Oracle in response time and
throughput, both better than SQL2k?

 I know that MySQL cannot really stand up to MS SQL but
 when you are talking about the amount that MS SQL costs
 versus using MySQL, I would us MySQL unless someone just
 wanted to pay for MS SQL.
 
 --
 Clint Tredway
 --
 Through Him, anything is possible.
  Can you say crap. :)
 
  I am not a big fan of MySQL.  I have to do some work in it and it pales
  in comparison.
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:19 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: [admin] List status
 
  Can you say MySQL?
 
  g
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Margaret Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:10 PM
  Subject: RE: [admin] List status
 
 
   Actually, we just priced this:
  
   It is about $5000 per cpu if you get SQL Server Standard edition and
  about
   20,000 (not sure about this one) per cpu if you want Enterprise
  edition. The
   difference between the editions is failover and uptime tools.
  
 
 
 
 
 

 
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Re: Verity (was: [admin] List status)

[Paul Hastings]

 Well, I know you like the SQL Server text indexing quite a bit, but in

more than just having thai btw.

 fairness, these aren't serious issues in most of the search functionality
 I've seen. You're free to cache what you like, after it comes back from

*after* on the cf box.

 to that of SQL Server. As for joining back to the indexed table, you're
 right, although in most cases I'm not sure I'd want to join back to that
 table - I just want to show the results in a drill-down interface, and let

since i *can* do these things, i tend to *do* these things.

 more information right away, it's pretty trivial to simply query the
 database using the Verity keys. The same goes for combining it with other

2 queries vs 1. i win.

 I admit that, given a choice, I might go with SQL Server's indexing, but I
 don't know whether I'd justify purchasing SQL Server for a project for
that

no its not but my backends are almost always sql server.

 whether you can do in SQL Server's text indexing, like spidering sites and
 indexing filesystem contents (although I suspect that if one knew enough

um i win again (just call me cash money ;-)

SELECT Q.DocTitle, DATEPART(YEAR, Q.Create)
FROM OPENQUERY(FileSystem,
 'SELECT DocTitle, Create
 FROM SCOPE('' /pubs '')
 WHERE BookCost = 20.00
 AND CONTAINS( Characterization, '' ice hockey '' )
') AS Q



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RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE

[Kevin Miller]

We get a free gift with our donation, but we have already been consuming that gift.

Kevin

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/14/02 10:13AM 
Does this mean, that for a donation, we can get a t-shirt, coffee mug, or
license plate with a 'Swirly Thing' on it?



 -Original Message-
 From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 10:08 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


 Yeah - I usually pledge along about Wednesday, just so they will
 get back to
 the news ha.

 -Original Message-
 From: Ian Lurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:43 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


 I was just going to say that this strategy works great for NPR:
 Our goal is
 $5000 this hour, and we've got $3000. C'mon, call us!

 -Original Message-
 From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:38 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


 I think you misread my intentions.  I figured that if someone
 could see that
 the goal was not yet reached then they would be more
 inclined to donate.  People are sometimes apathetic and need to see that a
 goal was not reached.  If, say, someone waits a few weeks
 before donating they may throw in 10 bucks because they may figure that
 there were enough donations.  If, however, they could see
 that the donations were a few thousand short then they may be inclined to
 donate $100.

 Regards,

 Howie

 - Original Message -
 From: Lee Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:30 PM
 Subject: RE: [admin] List status - A CHALLENGE


  Don't agree.. (a first for me and you Howie! grin)
 
  Michael will put to good use whatever is there, and I'm sure will report
  on what's left after his decisions are made about how to handle things,
  and what he's put in place.   Knowing him, he'll probabaly ask the
  group.  But I trust Michael and his decisions.
 
  Don't get me wrong.. I don't think the numbers should be hidden.. And
  I have NO doubt that Michael is above that.  However, ANYTHING he
  receives from us will be well worth it, for the priceless information we
  gain from this list, and ultimately his support.
 
  Let him handle it, and let him report to us what's there afterwards, if
  anything.  If anything's left, we can all discuss/vote on what to do
  with it.. I'm sure.
 
  Just my .02
 




 

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Re: Verity (was: [admin] List status)

[Michael Dinowitz]

One of the ideas I had was to take all the messages in a single thread and write them 
out to a flat file. That flat file would be indexed in verity and a search would call 
it up. A new message to the thread would cause the file to be rewritten. This would 
save a lot of reads from the DB when ever anyone wanted to see a thread/message. Think 
of the old forums for layout (which I liked).

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RE: [admin] List status

[Michael Ross]

We only have to pay that for a Enterprise license (I hope I don't get in trouble for 
saying that out loud..its an educational/state thing).  If stuff can sit 
somewhere else I could probably get my boss to provide space I don't know just try 
to help..or something  

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 01:11PM 
We could piggy back on a SQL box that's on the same network. It all has to do with the 
way the archives and the lists are interacting. In reality, they're one in the same 
and have to be together (I think I posted the layout).
Now what exactly do you mean by $500 for SQL 2k?

At 09:49 AM 5/15/02, you wrote:
Michael are we talking getting an actually box at your place (or where ever to do 
this) or you can you piggy back on an already live sql enterprise box (thats not even 
close to being utilized)?  I am not sure how legal this might be or even if my boss 
would go for it, but at $500 for sql 2000 enterprise (state prices!!!) maybe 
something else could be done...

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/02 08:59AM 
I know that MySQL cannot really stand up to MS SQL but 
when you are talking about the amount that MS SQL costs 
versus using MySQL, I would us MySQL unless someone just 
wanted to pay for MS SQL.

--
Clint Tredway
--
Through Him, anything is possible.
 Can you say crap. :)
 
 I am not a big fan of MySQL.  I have to do some work in it and it pales
 in comparison.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:19 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: [admin] List status
 
 Can you say MySQL?
 
 g
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Margaret Fisk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:10 PM
 Subject: RE: [admin] List status
 
 
  Actually, we just priced this:
  
  It is about $5000 per cpu if you get SQL Server Standard edition and
 about
  20,000 (not sure about this one) per cpu if you want Enterprise
 edition. The
  difference between the editions is failover and uptime tools.
  
 
 
 



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