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Has anyone used igloo with DWMX 2004? I need to set up source control on our development server and not sure if I should go the VSS route or try cvsnt and wincvs with igloo. I want something that will work with DWMX 2004 though. Thanks, Ben -Original Message- From: Toby Tremayne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 1:55 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re[2]: real quick ot igloo works well with studio / homesite, very nice. Wednesday, January 14, 2004, 5:25:56 PM, you wrote: NN I am currently using WinCVS as a client tool with CVSNT on my server and NN it works very well. It doesn't tie in with Homesite, but is very simple NN to use and runs smoothly.There is also TortoiseCVS that I have noticed NN mentioned in this thread that works well too.It ties in with Windows NN Explorer which is what Homesite uses. NN If anybody needs some great instructions on setting up cvsnt go here. NN http://w1.858.telia.com/~u85831169/InstallCVSNT.html NN http://www.cvsnt.org/ NN http://www.wincvs.org/ NN http://www.tortoisecvs.org/ NN -Original Message- NN From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NN Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 2:22 PM NN To: CF-Talk NN Subject: RE: real quick ot NN is there a CVS type app that ties in well with homesite+ ? NN where does the program run? I assume a it runs on the server NN then I have a client version on my devbox? NN tw NN -Original Message- NN From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NN Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:20 PM NN To: CF-Talk NN Subject: RE: real quick ot NN I've used M$ Visual Source Safe, works fine for me.I would not suggest NN using it with the CFStudio/HomeSite tie in though, that suckzors.I am NN currently learning how to setup CVSNT with the win gui and/or Tortoise NN shell NN for it.Its GPL'd and the world loves it. NN Why use such a monster?To track your changes and other developers in NN your NN groups changes.If you are the only developer, it will track yours and NN you NN can roll back if needed and hey, you can see when something was chanegd NN too. NN Its nice...its a must have really. NN Doug NN -Original Message- NN From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NN Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 3:57 PM NN To: CF-Talk NN Subject: real quick ot NN does anyone here use version control for web apps? NN my CTO is dying for me to version control our company intranet and I NN cant NN explain to him enough that in the 10 freakin years ive been building web NN apps, that ive never heard of a VERSION. NN since web sites are a single point of distribution, and as soon as NN someone NN loads a page they have the new version, WHATS THE POINT? NN ...tony NN tony weeg NN senior web applications architect NN navtrak, inc. NN www.navtrak.net NN [EMAIL PROTECTED] NN 410.548.2337 NN_ NN_ NN _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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VSS works very well with DWMX and configuration is easy too, but you are restricted to Windows-based versions of DWMX. --Milan From: Ben Densmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[2]: real quick ot Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:41:26 -0500 Has anyone used igloo with DWMX 2004? I need to set up source control on our development server and not sure if I should go the VSS route or try cvsnt and wincvs with igloo. I want something that will work with DWMX 2004 though. Thanks, Ben -Original Message- From: Toby Tremayne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 1:55 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re[2]: real quick ot igloo works well with studio / homesite, very nice. Wednesday, January 14, 2004, 5:25:56 PM, you wrote: NN I am currently using WinCVS as a client tool with CVSNT on my server and NN it works very well. It doesn't tie in with Homesite, but is very simple NN to use and runs smoothly.There is also TortoiseCVS that I have noticed NN mentioned in this thread that works well too.It ties in with Windows NN Explorer which is what Homesite uses. NN If anybody needs some great instructions on setting up cvsnt go here. NN http://w1.858.telia.com/~u85831169/InstallCVSNT.html NN http://www.cvsnt.org/ NN http://www.wincvs.org/ NN http://www.tortoisecvs.org/ NN -Original Message- NN From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NN Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 2:22 PM NN To: CF-Talk NN Subject: RE: real quick ot NN is there a CVS type app that ties in well with homesite+ ? NN where does the program run? I assume a it runs on the server NN then I have a client version on my devbox? NN tw NN -Original Message- NN From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NN Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:20 PM NN To: CF-Talk NN Subject: RE: real quick ot NN I've used M$ Visual Source Safe, works fine for me.I would not suggest NN using it with the CFStudio/HomeSite tie in though, that suckzors.I am NN currently learning how to setup CVSNT with the win gui and/or Tortoise NN shell NN for it.Its GPL'd and the world loves it. NN Why use such a monster?To track your changes and other developers in NN your NN groups changes.If you are the only developer, it will track yours and NN you NN can roll back if needed and hey, you can see when something was chanegd NN too. NN Its nice...its a must have really. NN Doug NN -Original Message- NN From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NN Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 3:57 PM NN To: CF-Talk NN Subject: real quick ot NN does anyone here use version control for web apps? NN my CTO is dying for me to version control our company intranet and I NN cant NN explain to him enough that in the 10 freakin years ive been building web NN apps, that ive never heard of a VERSION. NN since web sites are a single point of distribution, and as soon as NN someone NN loads a page they have the new version, WHATS THE POINT? NN ...tony NN tony weeg NN senior web applications architect NN navtrak, inc. NN www.navtrak.net NN [EMAIL PROTECTED] NN 410.548.2337 NN_ NN_ NN _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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does DWMX require you to use a 'project' in order to use the VSS tie in? Doug -Original Message- From: MILAN MUSHRAN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 1:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Re[2]: real quick ot VSS works very well with DWMX and configuration is easy too, but you are restricted to Windows-based versions of DWMX. --Milan From: Ben Densmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[2]: real quick ot Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:41:26 -0500 Has anyone used igloo with DWMX 2004? I need to set up source control on our development server and not sure if I should go the VSS route or try cvsnt and wincvs with igloo. I want something that will work with DWMX 2004 though. Thanks, Ben -Original Message- From: Toby Tremayne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 1:55 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re[2]: real quick ot igloo works well with studio / homesite, very nice. Wednesday, January 14, 2004, 5:25:56 PM, you wrote: NN I am currently using WinCVS as a client tool with CVSNT on my server and NN it works very well. It doesn't tie in with Homesite, but is very simple NN to use and runs smoothly.There is also TortoiseCVS that I have noticed NN mentioned in this thread that works well too.It ties in with Windows NN Explorer which is what Homesite uses. NN If anybody needs some great instructions on setting up cvsnt go here. NN http://w1.858.telia.com/~u85831169/InstallCVSNT.html NN http://www.cvsnt.org/ NN http://www.wincvs.org/ NN http://www.tortoisecvs.org/ NN -Original Message- NN From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NN Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 2:22 PM NN To: CF-Talk NN Subject: RE: real quick ot NN is there a CVS type app that ties in well with homesite+ ? NN where does the program run? I assume a it runs on the server NN then I have a client version on my devbox? NN tw NN -Original Message- NN From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NN Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:20 PM NN To: CF-Talk NN Subject: RE: real quick ot NN I've used M$ Visual Source Safe, works fine for me.I would not suggest NN using it with the CFStudio/HomeSite tie in though, that suckzors.I am NN currently learning how to setup CVSNT with the win gui and/or Tortoise NN shell NN for it.Its GPL'd and the world loves it. NN Why use such a monster?To track your changes and other developers in NN your NN groups changes.If you are the only developer, it will track yours and NN you NN can roll back if needed and hey, you can see when something was chanegd NN too. NN Its nice...its a must have really. NN Doug NN -Original Message- NN From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NN Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 3:57 PM NN To: CF-Talk NN Subject: real quick ot NN does anyone here use version control for web apps? NN my CTO is dying for me to version control our company intranet and I NN cant NN explain to him enough that in the 10 freakin years ive been building web NN apps, that ive never heard of a VERSION. NN since web sites are a single point of distribution, and as soon as NN someone NN loads a page they have the new version, WHATS THE POINT? NN ...tony NN tony weeg NN senior web applications architect NN navtrak, inc. NN www.navtrak.net NN [EMAIL PROTECTED] NN 410.548.2337 NN_ NN_ NN _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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That is what it is for...Parallel projects. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[2]: real quick ot Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:15:12 -0600 does DWMX require you to use a 'project' in order to use the VSS tie in? Doug -Original Message- From: MILAN MUSHRAN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 1:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Re[2]: real quick ot VSS works very well with DWMX and configuration is easy too, but you are restricted to Windows-based versions of DWMX. --Milan From: Ben Densmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Re[2]: real quick ot Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:41:26 -0500 Has anyone used igloo with DWMX 2004? I need to set up source control on our development server and not sure if I should go the VSS route or try cvsnt and wincvs with igloo. I want something that will work with DWMX 2004 though. Thanks, Ben -Original Message- From: Toby Tremayne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 1:55 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re[2]: real quick ot igloo works well with studio / homesite, very nice. Wednesday, January 14, 2004, 5:25:56 PM, you wrote: NN I am currently using WinCVS as a client tool with CVSNT on my server and NN it works very well. It doesn't tie in with Homesite, but is very simple NN to use and runs smoothly.There is also TortoiseCVS that I have noticed NN mentioned in this thread that works well too.It ties in with Windows NN Explorer which is what Homesite uses. NN If anybody needs some great instructions on setting up cvsnt go here. NN http://w1.858.telia.com/~u85831169/InstallCVSNT.html NN http://www.cvsnt.org/ NN http://www.wincvs.org/ NN http://www.tortoisecvs.org/ NN -Original Message- NN From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NN Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 2:22 PM NN To: CF-Talk NN Subject: RE: real quick ot NN is there a CVS type app that ties in well with homesite+ ? NN where does the program run? I assume a it runs on the server NN then I have a client version on my devbox? NN tw NN -Original Message- NN From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NN Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:20 PM NN To: CF-Talk NN Subject: RE: real quick ot NN I've used M$ Visual Source Safe, works fine for me.I would not suggest NN using it with the CFStudio/HomeSite tie in though, that suckzors.I am NN currently learning how to setup CVSNT with the win gui and/or Tortoise NN shell NN for it.Its GPL'd and the world loves it. NN Why use such a monster?To track your changes and other developers in NN your NN groups changes.If you are the only developer, it will track yours and NN you NN can roll back if needed and hey, you can see when something was chanegd NN too. NN Its nice...its a must have really. NN Doug NN -Original Message- NN From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NN Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 3:57 PM NN To: CF-Talk NN Subject: real quick ot NN does anyone here use version control for web apps? NN my CTO is dying for me to version control our company intranet and I NN cant NN explain to him enough that in the 10 freakin years ive been building web NN apps, that ive never heard of a VERSION. NN since web sites are a single point of distribution, and as soon as NN someone NN loads a page they have the new version, WHATS THE POINT? NN ...tony NN tony weeg NN senior web applications architect NN navtrak, inc. NN www.navtrak.net NN [EMAIL PROTECTED] NN 410.548.2337 NN_ NN_ NN _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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| where does the program run? I assume a it runs on the server | then I have a client version on my devbox? Tony, the server doesn't need to be very powerful. You can just as well run the cvs server from any workstation (that preferrably is always connected). /H. ### This message has been scanned by F-Secure Anti-Virus for Microsoft Exchange. For more information, connect to http://www.F-Secure.com/ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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does anyone here use version control for web apps? my CTO is dying for me to version control our company intranet and I cant explain to him enough that in the 10 freakin years ive been building web apps, that ive never heard of a VERSION. since web sites are a single point of distribution, and as soon as someone loads a page they have the new version, WHATS THE POINT? ...tony tony weeg senior web applications architect navtrak, inc. www.navtrak.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410.548.2337 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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I used VSS a long time ago, back when 3.1 or 4.0 supported it. They lied, it sucked Stephen E. Schuster PeopleSoft Administrator 2000 Ashland Drive Ashland, KY 41101 Office Phone 606.920.7447 Cell Phone 606.831.4590 _ From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 3:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: real quick ot does anyone here use version control for web apps? my CTO is dying for me to version control our company intranet and I cant explain to him enough that in the 10 freakin years ive been building web apps, that ive never heard of a VERSION. since web sites are a single point of distribution, and as soon as someone loads a page they have the new version, WHATS THE POINT? ...tony tony weeg senior web applications architect navtrak, inc. www.navtrak.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410.548.2337 _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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We use Visual Source Safe for versioning. It's great, especially if you make a lot of changes.It keeps track of all of the changes for you and you never have to worry about storing back-ups of files or anything like that.You can group a bunch of files together, git it a label, and delete the files from your website -- they'll still be in the sourcesafe database and if you need to rollback you can, very easily. The point is not for the end user, but for the developer to make the development process easier.It becomes espeically useful with teams of developers. -d [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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Subversion + TortiseSVN, took me a night to figure out the basics and a little longer to figure out the tricks. TortiseSVN integrates perfectly with Homesite since the top folder select window in HS is a standard windows explorer frame. Never having to worry about whether or not the code you have at home or on your dev machine is the most recent is well worth it. That's what I use it for... -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday, January 13, 2004, 3:56:39 PM, you wrote: TW does anyone here use version control for web apps? TW my CTO is dying for me to version control our company intranet TW and I cant explain to him enough that in the 10 freakin years ive TW been building web apps, that ive never heard of a VERSION. TW since web sites are a single point of distribution, and as soon as someone TW loads a page they have the new version, WHATS THE POINT? [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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Even if you don't have specific versions for your web apps, version controls is invaluable for it's concurrency (multiple users editing files) and history features.We use CVS for all our apps, including CF apps, and love it. Version control is also linked with quality control in a way.You can push out a new bug to users just as easily (or more easily) than you push out a new feature. My $0.02. Sam --- Blog: http://www.rewindlife.com Charts: http://www.blinex.com/products/charting --- -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 3:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: real quick ot does anyone here use version control for web apps? my CTO is dying for me to version control our company intranet and I cant explain to him enough that in the 10 freakin years ive been building web apps, that ive never heard of a VERSION. since web sites are a single point of distribution, and as soon as someone loads a page they have the new version, WHATS THE POINT? ...tony tony weeg [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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I've used M$ Visual Source Safe, works fine for me.I would not suggest using it with the CFStudio/HomeSite tie in though, that suckzors.I am currently learning how to setup CVSNT with the win gui and/or Tortoise shell for it.Its GPL'd and the world loves it. Why use such a monster?To track your changes and other developers in your groups changes.If you are the only developer, it will track yours and you can roll back if needed and hey, you can see when something was chanegd too.Its nice...its a must have really. Doug -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 3:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: real quick ot does anyone here use version control for web apps? my CTO is dying for me to version control our company intranet and I cant explain to him enough that in the 10 freakin years ive been building web apps, that ive never heard of a VERSION. since web sites are a single point of distribution, and as soon as someone loads a page they have the new version, WHATS THE POINT? ...tony tony weeg senior web applications architect navtrak, inc. www.navtrak.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410.548.2337 _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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Also - version control is invaluable for -single- people as well. Err, I mean people working by themselves. It allows you to roll back your own mistakes in case something goes wrong. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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is there a CVS type app that ties in well with homesite+ ? where does the program run? I assume a it runs on the server then I have a client version on my devbox? tw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: real quick ot I've used M$ Visual Source Safe, works fine for me.I would not suggest using it with the CFStudio/HomeSite tie in though, that suckzors.I am currently learning how to setup CVSNT with the win gui and/or Tortoise shell for it.Its GPL'd and the world loves it. Why use such a monster?To track your changes and other developers in your groups changes.If you are the only developer, it will track yours and you can roll back if needed and hey, you can see when something was chanegd too. Its nice...its a must have really. Doug -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 3:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: real quick ot does anyone here use version control for web apps? my CTO is dying for me to version control our company intranet and I cant explain to him enough that in the 10 freakin years ive been building web apps, that ive never heard of a VERSION. since web sites are a single point of distribution, and as soon as someone loads a page they have the new version, WHATS THE POINT? ...tony tony weeg senior web applications architect navtrak, inc. www.navtrak.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410.548.2337 _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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isnt that what a development server is for? I mean I understand the theory, I love it for windows apps, but I just cant see the deal with web apps. maybe to see when changes where made, yadda yadda yadda, but isnt that why we use dev, staging, production servers? just wondering...ray, what do you use? -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: real quick ot Also - version control is invaluable for -single- people as well. Err, I mean people working by themselves. It allows you to roll back your own mistakes in case something goes wrong. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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I've used M$ Visual Source Safe, works fine for me.I would not suggest using it with the CFStudio/HomeSite tie in though, that suckzors.I am currently learning how to setup CVSNT with the win gui and/or Tortoise shell for it.Its GPL'd and the world loves it. How did the CFS/HS+ integration suck? It worked fine for me. By the way, you can also get CFS/HS+ to work with CVS as well... using um Igloo I believe it is. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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Yes. I hear what you're saying about version control not being important on the web. I used to think that myself, when I was doing sites by myself, and wholly responsible for its content. A few things can change this: 1) Your development team grows, and you developers working on the same scripts/pages. Or if you hire a tester who tests code before it goes out to production. Then it becomes a syncronization issue. While you develop the next version of code, your tester can test the 'active' release, and write bugs against it without disturbing your work area. One of the developers can fix bugs while the other works on future functionality etc. 2) Your code gets replicated across different machines. Since it is critical for all machines to have the same codebase, then you need to use a version control system to 'deploy' a version of your website across all machines. 2b) For the security of being able to 'deploy' the site at a moment's notice if your production hardware should fail. Sure, you could do that now, but could anyone else? Is it written down anywhere? With version control at least someone else would know the correct version of code to deploy if you were hit by a truck. 3) If any part of your website- be it documentation, a client application whatever - lives on a client's machine. Then version control is helpful for tech support. All of their documentation would be based on the version number of the release. 4) When your website grows from a corporate brochure, to an online software application. As complexity grows, so does the need for better documentation, better testing proceedures (ie regression testing) and _less_ dependence on the people who put it all together. If you have a particularly complex app, and there is no structure around the deployment... this is sounding more like 2b now but with more structure around the process, the less dependence there is on the creators. Hope that helps. And by the way, if you do choose to use version control- don't use MS, check out CVS first. -w At 01:56 PM 1/13/2004, you wrote: does anyone here use version control for web apps? my CTO is dying for me to version control our company intranet and I cant explain to him enough that in the 10 freakin years ive been building web apps, that ive never heard of a VERSION. since web sites are a single point of distribution, and as soon as someone loads a page they have the new version, WHATS THE POINT? ...tony tony weeg senior web applications architect navtrak, inc. www.navtrak.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410.548.2337 -- [ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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does cvs work on xp -Original Message- From: walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:25 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: real quick ot Yes. I hear what you're saying about version control not being important on the web. I used to think that myself, when I was doing sites by myself, and wholly responsible for its content. A few things can change this: 1) Your development team grows, and you developers working on the same scripts/pages. Or if you hire a tester who tests code before it goes out to production. Then it becomes a syncronization issue. While you develop the next version of code, your tester can test the 'active' release, and write bugs against it without disturbing your work area. One of the developers can fix bugs while the other works on future functionality etc. 2) Your code gets replicated across different machines. Since it is critical for all machines to have the same codebase, then you need to use a version control system to 'deploy' a version of your website across all machines. 2b) For the security of being able to 'deploy' the site at a moment's notice if your production hardware should fail. Sure, you could do that now, but could anyone else? Is it written down anywhere? With version control at least someone else would know the correct version of code to deploy if you were hit by a truck. 3) If any part of your website- be it documentation, a client application whatever - lives on a client's machine. Then version control is helpful for tech support. All of their documentation would be based on the version number of the release. 4) When your website grows from a corporate brochure, to an online software application. As complexity grows, so does the need for better documentation, better testing proceedures (ie regression testing) and _less_ dependence on the people who put it all together. If you have a particularly complex app, and there is no structure around the deployment... this is sounding more like 2b now but with more structure around the process, the less dependence there is on the creators. Hope that helps. And by the way, if you do choose to use version control- don't use MS, check out CVS first. -w At 01:56 PM 1/13/2004, you wrote: does anyone here use version control for web apps? my CTO is dying for me to version control our company intranet and I cant explain to him enough that in the 10 freakin years ive been building web apps, that ive never heard of a VERSION. since web sites are a single point of distribution, and as soon as someone loads a page they have the new version, WHATS THE POINT? ...tony tony weeg senior web applications architect navtrak, inc. www.navtrak.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410.548.2337 -- [ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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http://members.cox.net/preston.bannister/activecvs/cvsscc-old.html#Microsoft's%20SCC%20API for some info...I found this just today, so its only an FYI... Yeah, CVS or VSS would run on your server with a client front end on your workstation, typically. You can track changes in development, push out to staging only the approved changes and so on... Doug -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: real quick ot is there a CVS type app that ties in well with homesite+ ? where does the program run? I assume a it runs on the server then I have a client version on my devbox? tw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: real quick ot I've used M$ Visual Source Safe, works fine for me.I would not suggest using it with the CFStudio/HomeSite tie in though, that suckzors.I am currently learning how to setup CVSNT with the win gui and/or Tortoise shell for it.Its GPL'd and the world loves it. Why use such a monster?To track your changes and other developers in your groups changes.If you are the only developer, it will track yours and you can roll back if needed and hey, you can see when something was chanegd too. Its nice...its a must have really. Doug -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 3:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: real quick ot does anyone here use version control for web apps? my CTO is dying for me to version control our company intranet and I cant explain to him enough that in the 10 freakin years ive been building web apps, that ive never heard of a VERSION. since web sites are a single point of distribution, and as soon as someone loads a page they have the new version, WHATS THE POINT? ...tony tony weeg senior web applications architect navtrak, inc. www.navtrak.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410.548.2337 _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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isnt that what a development server is for? Um, no. Imagine I change one code in a file. Now imagine 2 months later I see something is going wrong. By using VC software, I can look at what changed and see where the bug came from. I mean I understand the theory, I love it for windows apps, but I just cant see the deal with web apps. This still applies. maybe to see when changes where made, yadda yadda yadda, but isnt that why we use dev, staging, production servers? No, again, see above. Normally you make a change on dev. You like it. You push to stage and really test it. You then push to live. Now all three boxes have the same code. Now imagine a bug pops up. Well, how do you find the old version? With VC software, it is a snap. just wondering...ray, what do you use? CVS. In the past I've used Visual Source Safe, which is super easy to setup, and Perforce. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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there's a thread on this somewhere on here or CF-Talk.Basically the CFS/HS integration with VSS involved building a project.ie...no 'project' no VSS.This was a real PITA across a network for a big project, seems the project file had to be updatred and retrieved constantly.I found it WAY more efficient to use the VSS client to checkin/out files to a shared drive. also note, you can't use RDS with this. doug -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:25 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: real quick ot I've used M$ Visual Source Safe, works fine for me.I would not suggest using it with the CFStudio/HomeSite tie in though, that suckzors.I am currently learning how to setup CVSNT with the win gui and/or Tortoise shell for it.Its GPL'd and the world loves it. How did the CFS/HS+ integration suck? It worked fine for me. By the way, you can also get CFS/HS+ to work with CVS as well... using um Igloo I believe it is. _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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Also - version control is invaluable for -single- people as well. Err, I mean people working by themselves. It allows you to roll back your own mistakes in case something goes wrong. Speaking of this, has anyone had any experience with the Check In/Out that's built into DW?I've seen the option to use it but is that a stand-alone thing or does it integrate with a CVS/VSS tool? Hatton --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.559 / Virus Database: 351 - Release Date: 1/7/2004 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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At 2:25 PM -0700 1/13/04, walker wrote: And by the way, if you do choose to use version control- don't use MS, check out CVS first. We use CVS here at work and it is great.One thing we haven't figured out though, is how to roll back a file from, say, 1.3.5 back to 1.3.4.How does one do that via WinCVS? -- Lola - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lolajl.net | Blog at http://www.lolajl.net/blog/ Check out this blog:http://www.denbeste.nu I'm in Bowie, MD, USA, halfway between DC and Annapolis. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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http://www.cvsnt.org http://www.wincvs.org/ DK -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: real quick ot does cvs work on xp -Original Message- From: walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:25 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: real quick ot Yes. I hear what you're saying about version control not being important on the web. I used to think that myself, when I was doing sites by myself, and wholly responsible for its content. A few things can change this: 1) Your development team grows, and you developers working on the same scripts/pages. Or if you hire a tester who tests code before it goes out to production. Then it becomes a syncronization issue. While you develop the next version of code, your tester can test the 'active' release, and write bugs against it without disturbing your work area. One of the developers can fix bugs while the other works on future functionality etc. 2) Your code gets replicated across different machines. Since it is critical for all machines to have the same codebase, then you need to use a version control system to 'deploy' a version of your website across all machines. 2b) For the security of being able to 'deploy' the site at a moment's notice if your production hardware should fail. Sure, you could do that now, but could anyone else? Is it written down anywhere? With version control at least someone else would know the correct version of code to deploy if you were hit by a truck. 3) If any part of your website- be it documentation, a client application whatever - lives on a client's machine. Then version control is helpful for tech support. All of their documentation would be based on the version number of the release. 4) When your website grows from a corporate brochure, to an online software application. As complexity grows, so does the need for better documentation, better testing proceedures (ie regression testing) and _less_ dependence on the people who put it all together. If you have a particularly complex app, and there is no structure around the deployment... this is sounding more like 2b now but with more structure around the process, the less dependence there is on the creators. Hope that helps. And by the way, if you do choose to use version control- don't use MS, check out CVS first. -w At 01:56 PM 1/13/2004, you wrote: does anyone here use version control for web apps? my CTO is dying for me to version control our company intranet and I cant explain to him enough that in the 10 freakin years ive been building web apps, that ive never heard of a VERSION. since web sites are a single point of distribution, and as soon as someone loads a page they have the new version, WHATS THE POINT? ...tony tony weeg senior web applications architect navtrak, inc. www.navtrak.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410.548.2337 -- [ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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there's a thread on this somewhere on here or CF-Talk. Basically the CFS/HS integration with VSS involved building a project.ie...no 'project' no VSS.This was a real PITA across a network for a big project, seems the project file had to be updatred and retrieved constantly.I found it WAY more efficient to use the VSS client to checkin/out files to a shared drive. Ah, I can see this being an issue (remote, not having to use a project). [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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Speaking of this, has anyone had any experience with the Check In/Out that's built into DW?I've seen the option to use it but is that a stand-alone thing or does it integrate with a CVS/VSS tool? It's a very primitive system to avoid having more people editing a file at the same time. Compared to any decent version control software it's just a joke :-) Massimo Foti http://www.massimocorner.com Co-Author of Dreamweaver MX 2004 Magic: http://www.dwmagic.com/ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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When in doubt, read the book! http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/ I use the online html version. -nathan strutz -Original Message- From: Lola Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 2:33 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: real quick ot At 2:25 PM -0700 1/13/04, walker wrote: And by the way, if you do choose to use version control- don't use MS, check out CVS first. We use CVS here at work and it is great.One thing we haven't figured out though, is how to roll back a file from, say, 1.3.5 back to 1.3.4.How does one do that via WinCVS? -- Lola - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lolajl.net | Blog at http://www.lolajl.net/blog/ Check out this blog:http://www.denbeste.nu I'm in Bowie, MD, USA, halfway between DC and Annapolis. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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On Tuesday, January 13, 2004, at 04:23PM, Tony Weeg wrote: I mean I understand the theory, I love it for windows apps, but I just cant see the deal with web apps. The idea is that you release a web application with a specific set of features.You (and presumably others in your company, or perhaps clients) decide on a new set of features.That set of features gets a version number, and the development process begins.Your team starts implementing features, checking in changes as they reach milestones (CVS allows developers to work on files simultaneously and automatically merges most changes), and eventually the code goes into QA.Once QA has signed off on the new version, the source tree is tagged with the new version number (allowing you to roll back to that exact point at any time, if necessary), and the new code is installed (typically on staging, then on production at some ridiculous hour of the morning).It's also possible to branch off the main source tree to isolate certain features and changes, which is great for experimental work, and the branch can later be merged onto the trunk. Personally, I can't imagine developing without CVS.If you want a simplified form of version control for a single user, consider RCS. It's CVS without the concurrency. Christian [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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I am currently using WinCVS as a client tool with CVSNT on my server and it works very well. It doesn't tie in with Homesite, but is very simple to use and runs smoothly.There is also TortoiseCVS that I have noticed mentioned in this thread that works well too.It ties in with Windows Explorer which is what Homesite uses. If anybody needs some great instructions on setting up cvsnt go here. http://w1.858.telia.com/~u85831169/InstallCVSNT.html http://www.cvsnt.org/ http://www.wincvs.org/ http://www.tortoisecvs.org/ -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 2:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: real quick ot is there a CVS type app that ties in well with homesite+ ? where does the program run? I assume a it runs on the server then I have a client version on my devbox? tw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: real quick ot I've used M$ Visual Source Safe, works fine for me.I would not suggest using it with the CFStudio/HomeSite tie in though, that suckzors.I am currently learning how to setup CVSNT with the win gui and/or Tortoise shell for it.Its GPL'd and the world loves it. Why use such a monster?To track your changes and other developers in your groups changes.If you are the only developer, it will track yours and you can roll back if needed and hey, you can see when something was chanegd too. Its nice...its a must have really. Doug -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 3:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: real quick ot does anyone here use version control for web apps? my CTO is dying for me to version control our company intranet and I cant explain to him enough that in the 10 freakin years ive been building web apps, that ive never heard of a VERSION. since web sites are a single point of distribution, and as soon as someone loads a page they have the new version, WHATS THE POINT? ...tony tony weeg senior web applications architect navtrak, inc. www.navtrak.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] 410.548.2337 _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
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igloo works well with studio / homesite, very nice. Wednesday, January 14, 2004, 5:25:56 PM, you wrote: NN I am currently using WinCVS as a client tool with CVSNT on my server and NN it works very well. It doesn't tie in with Homesite, but is very simple NN to use and runs smoothly.There is also TortoiseCVS that I have noticed NN mentioned in this thread that works well too.It ties in with Windows NN Explorer which is what Homesite uses. NN If anybody needs some great instructions on setting up cvsnt go here. NN http://w1.858.telia.com/~u85831169/InstallCVSNT.html NN http://www.cvsnt.org/ NN http://www.wincvs.org/ NN http://www.tortoisecvs.org/ NN -Original Message- NN From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NN Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 2:22 PM NN To: CF-Talk NN Subject: RE: real quick ot NN is there a CVS type app that ties in well with homesite+ ? NN where does the program run? I assume a it runs on the server NN then I have a client version on my devbox? NN tw NN -Original Message- NN From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NN Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:20 PM NN To: CF-Talk NN Subject: RE: real quick ot NN I've used M$ Visual Source Safe, works fine for me.I would not suggest NN using it with the CFStudio/HomeSite tie in though, that suckzors.I am NN currently learning how to setup CVSNT with the win gui and/or Tortoise NN shell NN for it.Its GPL'd and the world loves it. NN Why use such a monster?To track your changes and other developers in NN your NN groups changes.If you are the only developer, it will track yours and NN you NN can roll back if needed and hey, you can see when something was chanegd NN too. NN Its nice...its a must have really. NN Doug NN -Original Message- NN From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NN Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 3:57 PM NN To: CF-Talk NN Subject: real quick ot NN does anyone here use version control for web apps? NN my CTO is dying for me to version control our company intranet and I NN cant NN explain to him enough that in the 10 freakin years ive been building web NN apps, that ive never heard of a VERSION. NN since web sites are a single point of distribution, and as soon as NN someone NN loads a page they have the new version, WHATS THE POINT? NN ...tony NN tony weeg NN senior web applications architect NN navtrak, inc. NN www.navtrak.net NN [EMAIL PROTECTED] NN 410.548.2337 NN_ NN_ NN [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
