[cfaussie] Re: Help selling CF as a solution vs. PHP

2008-09-17 Thread Barry Beattie 

(Rob: contacting you offlist to explain this Edu offer further.. )



On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Rob Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> It may be meet the educational guidelines =( I not sure this is what Adobe
> had in mind)
> i.e. primary, middle and secondary school students (Years 1 to year 12) for
> 3 core school subjects
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Barry Beattie
> Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2008 12:09 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Cc: Mark Szulc
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Help selling CF as a solution vs. PHP
>
>
>> If it's for an accredited educational institution, you can get it for
>> free, depending if you meet the requirements on how it can be used.
>
> Chris, with respect, I doubt that this is the case here.
>
> This really sounds like it's core to running the business (ie:
> organisational workflows, not teaching and learning use), which is outside
> the scope of the "Free CF for Education" guidelines.
>
> Tens of thousands of students learning CF at the same time? oh, what a
> wonderful vision... "Ah have a dream!"
>
>
>
> >
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[cfaussie] Re: Help selling CF as a solution vs. PHP

2008-09-17 Thread Rob Wilson 

 
It may be meet the educational guidelines =( I not sure this is what Adobe
had in mind)
i.e. primary, middle and secondary school students (Years 1 to year 12) for
3 core school subjects


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> If it's for an accredited educational institution, you can get it for 
> free, depending if you meet the requirements on how it can be used.

Chris, with respect, I doubt that this is the case here.

This really sounds like it's core to running the business (ie:
organisational workflows, not teaching and learning use), which is outside
the scope of the "Free CF for Education" guidelines.

Tens of thousands of students learning CF at the same time? oh, what a
wonderful vision... "Ah have a dream!"



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[cfaussie] Re: Generating PDF and JPG images from websites

2008-09-17 Thread Dale Fraser 

http://www.coldfusionjedi.com/index.cfm/2007/6/13/ColdFusion-8-URL-Thumbnail
s

Regards
Dale Fraser
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http://flexcf.com



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Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Generating PDF and JPG images from websites


I can't remember any offhand, but there are also various command line
tools and web-services that will create an image from a url. Probably
for PDF too, if your CSS is too much for CFDocument.

Blair

On 9/18/08, Steve Onnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> No no
>
> The client wants a function for the user to be able to save a copy of the
> page as a PDF or an image.  Just looking at ways to do it.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf
> Of Barry Beattie
> Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2008 3:27 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Generating PDF and JPG images from websites
>
>
> or (following on from Chris)
>
> screen-scrape with CFHTTP and *then* use cfdocument.
>
> (I hope this isn't checking how a design looks on different operating
> systems or browsers ... that's a totally different kettle of fish)
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Chris Velevitch
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Steve Onnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>> I have a requirement to generate a PDF and/or JPG of a website page.
>>> Can anyone provide and recommendations to achieve this reliably?
>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>> Chris
>> --
>> Chris Velevitch
>> Manager - Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney
>> m: 0415 469 095
>> www.apugs.org.au
>>
>> Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney
>> September meeting: It's Going To Be Brilliant
>> Date: Mon 29th September 6pm for 6:30 start Details and RSVP on
>> http://apugs2008september.eventbrite.com
>>
>> >
>>
>
>
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>
>
> >
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[cfaussie] Re: Generating PDF and JPG images from websites

2008-09-17 Thread Andrew Scott 

Steve,

The last time I did something like this, was to use cfsavecontent with the
cfhttp.content(whatever it is called, mind is blank) and then use
cfdocument. That way you are not really saving it to a file, so to speak.



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[cfaussie] Re: Generating PDF and JPG images from websites

2008-09-17 Thread phaddon 

On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 03:28:43PM +1000, Steve Onnis wrote:

> No no
> 
> The client wants a function for the user to be able to save a copy of the
> page as a PDF or an image.  Just looking at ways to do it. 




blah 


#theWholePage#


Either create the PDF/jpg before outputting the page (and have a link to 
the file/s in the page) or save the html (somewhere) and 
retrieve/convert etc when the user goes click/Ajax etc.

Cheers

Paul Haddon
Technical Services Manager
Formstar Print Technologies


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[cfaussie] Re: Generating PDF and JPG images from websites

2008-09-17 Thread shib71 

I can't remember any offhand, but there are also various command line
tools and web-services that will create an image from a url. Probably
for PDF too, if your CSS is too much for CFDocument.

Blair

On 9/18/08, Steve Onnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> No no
>
> The client wants a function for the user to be able to save a copy of the
> page as a PDF or an image.  Just looking at ways to do it.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Barry Beattie
> Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2008 3:27 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Generating PDF and JPG images from websites
>
>
> or (following on from Chris)
>
> screen-scrape with CFHTTP and *then* use cfdocument.
>
> (I hope this isn't checking how a design looks on different operating
> systems or browsers ... that's a totally different kettle of fish)
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Chris Velevitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Steve Onnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>> I have a requirement to generate a PDF and/or JPG of a website page.
>>> Can anyone provide and recommendations to achieve this reliably?
>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>> Chris
>> --
>> Chris Velevitch
>> Manager - Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney
>> m: 0415 469 095
>> www.apugs.org.au
>>
>> Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney
>> September meeting: It's Going To Be Brilliant
>> Date: Mon 29th September 6pm for 6:30 start Details and RSVP on
>> http://apugs2008september.eventbrite.com
>>
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>

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[cfaussie] Re: Generating PDF and JPG images from websites

2008-09-17 Thread Steve Onnis 

See this should work shouldn't it?


http://www.google.com.au"; resolveurl="Yes">
#TRIM(CFHTTP.FileContent)#

But its not saveing the file. 

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Of Barry Beattie
Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2008 3:27 PM
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Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Generating PDF and JPG images from websites


or (following on from Chris)

screen-scrape with CFHTTP and *then* use cfdocument.

(I hope this isn't checking how a design looks on different operating
systems or browsers ... that's a totally different kettle of fish)



On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Chris Velevitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Steve Onnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>> I have a requirement to generate a PDF and/or JPG of a website page.  
>> Can anyone provide and recommendations to achieve this reliably?
>
> ...
>
>
> Chris
> --
> Chris Velevitch
> Manager - Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney
> m: 0415 469 095
> www.apugs.org.au
>
> Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney
> September meeting: It's Going To Be Brilliant
> Date: Mon 29th September 6pm for 6:30 start Details and RSVP on 
> http://apugs2008september.eventbrite.com
>
> >
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[cfaussie] Re: Generating PDF and JPG images from websites

2008-09-17 Thread Steve Onnis 

No no

The client wants a function for the user to be able to save a copy of the
page as a PDF or an image.  Just looking at ways to do it. 

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Of Barry Beattie
Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2008 3:27 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Generating PDF and JPG images from websites


or (following on from Chris)

screen-scrape with CFHTTP and *then* use cfdocument.

(I hope this isn't checking how a design looks on different operating
systems or browsers ... that's a totally different kettle of fish)



On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Chris Velevitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Steve Onnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>> I have a requirement to generate a PDF and/or JPG of a website page.  
>> Can anyone provide and recommendations to achieve this reliably?
>
> ...
>
>
> Chris
> --
> Chris Velevitch
> Manager - Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney
> m: 0415 469 095
> www.apugs.org.au
>
> Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney
> September meeting: It's Going To Be Brilliant
> Date: Mon 29th September 6pm for 6:30 start Details and RSVP on 
> http://apugs2008september.eventbrite.com
>
> >
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[cfaussie] Re: Generating PDF and JPG images from websites

2008-09-17 Thread Barry Beattie 

or (following on from Chris)

screen-scrape with CFHTTP and *then* use cfdocument.

(I hope this isn't checking how a design looks on different operating
systems or browsers ... that's a totally different kettle of fish)



On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Chris Velevitch
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Steve Onnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I have a requirement to generate a PDF and/or JPG of a website page.  Can
>> anyone provide and recommendations to achieve this reliably?
>
> ...
>
>
> Chris
> --
> Chris Velevitch
> Manager - Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney
> m: 0415 469 095
> www.apugs.org.au
>
> Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney
> September meeting: It's Going To Be Brilliant
> Date: Mon 29th September 6pm for 6:30 start
> Details and RSVP on http://apugs2008september.eventbrite.com
>
> >
>

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[cfaussie] Re: Generating PDF and JPG images from websites

2008-09-17 Thread Chris Velevitch 

On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Steve Onnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a requirement to generate a PDF and/or JPG of a website page.  Can
> anyone provide and recommendations to achieve this reliably?

...


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[cfaussie] Generating PDF and JPG images from websites

2008-09-17 Thread Steve Onnis 

I have a requirement to generate a PDF and/or JPG of a website page.  Can
anyone provide and recommendations to achieve this reliably?

Steve



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[cfaussie] Melbourne CFUG TONIGHT - Thursday 18th of September

2008-09-17 Thread Steve Onnis 

Melbourne CFUG TONIGHT - 18th of September


Location:
NGA.net, Level 2, 17 Raglan St, South Melbourne
Map: http://link.toolbot.com/google.com/73016

When:
Thursday 18th of August, 

Meeting starts at 7:00, so get there before hand (doors open at 6:30).

Agenda:

** Free for all **

This is going to be a hoot of a CFUG this month.  We are putting the call
out to both regular and new attendants to CFUG to bring your arsinol of cool
development tools and, well "stuff".  Anything tools, applications, tips and
tricks you use to help your development run smoother and do your job faster.

Steve Onnis will be demoing the super cool FireFox plug-in "Firebug" and
HTML validation plug-in and a couple of other tools for debugging and
development.

Mark Mandel will be showing us some tools he uses during his development
process also.

It is sure to be an informative and "action packed" CFUG so be sure to come
along and check it out.

Remember, the floor is open so if you have some nifty "stuff" you would like
to show the group, don't be shy.



If you are going to attend, please RSVP to mark (dot) mandel (at) gmail
(dot) com.

Only those that RSVP are eligible for pizza (just kidding, but it makes it
easier for us to get enough for everyone if you do), so make sure you apply!

Or add to your Google Calendar - search for 'CFUG Melbourne'.

As per usual, we'll grab pizza during the evening, so we have something to
scoff down!

Look forward to seeing you all there. Who knows, you might even get some
free stuff!

The CFUG Melbourne crew

 




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[cfaussie] Re: Flex Builder Question

2008-09-17 Thread Dale Fraser 

We have a decent size flex app now and I think build time is very
reasonable.

Our C++ app however takes ages to compile, there is a lot of work to do when
compiling.

One easy solution is to buy more powerful computers for developers.

Regards
Dale Fraser
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http://flexcf.com


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Some things in IT never change...

Clicking 'build' on any substantial project has always been an invitation to
put the kettle on - even when COBOL was the main game in business IT...

B)



Pat wrote:
> Thanks all to your speedy responses.
> 
> Looks like an issue across the board that most flex builder users are
> experiencing... ie. get yourself a cup of tea after clicking "build"
> 
> 
> On Sep 16, 2:43 pm, "Andrew Muller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi Pat
>>
>> There is but honestly I reckon that you'll get your best response out
>> of FlexCoders.
>>
>> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> 2008/9/16 Pat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>> Does anybody know if there is an equivalent group to CFAUSSIE that is
>>> specifically targeted towards Flex users?
>>> I have a few questions about the (lack of) performance of the Flex
>>> Builder perspective vs the Java perspective in Eclipse.
>>> Patrick.
>> --
> 
> 

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[cfaussie] Re: Flex Builder Question

2008-09-17 Thread Brett Payne-Rhodes 

Some things in IT never change...

Clicking 'build' on any substantial project has always been an invitation to 
put the kettle on - even when COBOL was the main game in business IT...

B)



Pat wrote:
> Thanks all to your speedy responses.
> 
> Looks like an issue across the board that most flex builder users are
> experiencing... ie. get yourself a cup of tea after clicking "build"
> 
> 
> On Sep 16, 2:43 pm, "Andrew Muller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi Pat
>>
>> There is but honestly I reckon that you'll get your best response out
>> of FlexCoders.
>>
>> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> 2008/9/16 Pat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>> Does anybody know if there is an equivalent group to CFAUSSIE that is
>>> specifically targeted towards Flex users?
>>> I have a few questions about the (lack of) performance of the Flex
>>> Builder perspective vs the Java perspective in Eclipse.
>>> Patrick.
>> --
> 
> 

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[cfaussie] Re: Help selling CF as a solution vs. PHP

2008-09-17 Thread Barry Beattie 

> If it's for an accredited educational institution, you can get it for
> free, depending if you meet the requirements on how it can be used.

Chris, with respect, I doubt that this is the case here.

This really sounds like it's core to running the business (ie:
organisational workflows, not teaching and learning use), which is
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Tens of thousands of students learning CF at the same time? oh, what a
wonderful vision... "Ah have a dream!"

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[cfaussie] Re: Help selling CF as a solution vs. PHP

2008-09-17 Thread Andrew Scott 
Don't forget Railo guys J

 

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[cfaussie] Re: Help selling CF as a solution vs. PHP

2008-09-17 Thread Chris Velevitch 

On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 12:43 AM, Rob Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Its 1 application for a single organization with huge numbers of concurrent
> users (students)

If it's for an accredited educational institution, you can get it for
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[cfaussie] Re: Flex Builder Question

2008-09-17 Thread Pat 

Thanks all to your speedy responses.

Looks like an issue across the board that most flex builder users are
experiencing... ie. get yourself a cup of tea after clicking "build"


On Sep 16, 2:43 pm, "Andrew Muller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Pat
>
> There is but honestly I reckon that you'll get your best response out
> of FlexCoders.
>
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/
>
> Regards
>
> Andrew
>
> 2008/9/16 Pat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>
>
> > Hi All,
>
> > Does anybody know if there is an equivalent group to CFAUSSIE that is
> > specifically targeted towards Flex users?
>
> > I have a few questions about the (lack of) performance of the Flex
> > Builder perspective vs the Java perspective in Eclipse.
>
> > Patrick.
>
> --
> ---
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>
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[cfaussie] Re: Help selling CF as a solution vs. PHP

2008-09-17 Thread Rob Wilson 

Hi Geoff,

Thanks for Adam 

Its 1 application for a single organization with huge numbers of concurrent
users (students)

Cheers
Rob Wilson 

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Sent: Wednesday, 17 September 2008 11:57 PM
To: cfaussie
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Help selling CF as a solution vs. PHP


On Sep 17, 8:36 pm, "Rob Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> is there a major discount for 52 copies of Coldfusion enterprise?

Massive.

If this is an application you are selling to multiple clients you could
absolutely get an OEM deal with this sort of volume (ie.
unlimited licenses for a set price). If its a standalone application for a
single organisation, then you can probably get a site license (ie. unlimited
licenses for a set price much less than OEM).

I'm not a rep for Adobe.  However, I have been privy to some larger deals.
I would strongly urge you to talk to Adobe and get an idea of what options
you do have.

You can try Ben Forta certainly.  I'd be inclined to reach out to Adam
Lehman (adlehman-AT-adobe.com) who was previously the sales engineer for CF
and is now the senior CF evangelist.

-- geoff
http://www.daemon.com.au/
Adobe Community Expert for ColdFusion



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[cfaussie] Re: Help selling CF as a solution vs. PHP

2008-09-17 Thread Geoff Bowers 

On Sep 17, 8:36 pm, "Rob Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> is there a major discount for 52 copies of Coldfusion enterprise?

Massive.

If this is an application you are selling to multiple clients you
could absolutely get an OEM deal with this sort of volume (ie.
unlimited licenses for a set price). If its a standalone application
for a single organisation, then you can probably get a site license
(ie. unlimited licenses for a set price much less than OEM).

I'm not a rep for Adobe.  However, I have been privy to some larger
deals.  I would strongly urge you to talk to Adobe and get an idea of
what options you do have.

You can try Ben Forta certainly.  I'd be inclined to reach out to Adam
Lehman (adlehman-AT-adobe.com) who was previously the sales engineer
for CF and is now the senior CF evangelist.

-- geoff
http://www.daemon.com.au/
Adobe Community Expert for ColdFusion
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[cfaussie] Re: Help selling CF as a solution vs. PHP

2008-09-17 Thread Peter Bell 
I'm pretty sure you'd get a good discount for 52 licenses from Adobe,  
so give them a call. If for any reason you have to go open source, I'd  
strongly recommend checking out Railo. Nothing against OpenBD, but  
I've been really impressed by what Gert and the team have done with  
Railo as have many others.

For promoting ColdFusion, remember the new marketing package from  
Kristin - it's really cool.
http://www.webbschofield.com/index.cfm/2008/9/15/ColdFusion-Evangelism-Kit

Best Wishes,
Peter

On Sep 17, 2008, at 8:10 AM, Rob Wilson wrote:

> Thanks Dale,
> I was forgetting about BlueDragon ... and yes its worth a phone call  
> to Adobe ... Do you know someone there I can contact?
>
> Cheers
> Rob Wilson
>
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
> On Behalf Of Dale Fraser
> Sent: Wednesday, 17 September 2008 9:56 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Help selling CF as a solution vs. PHP
>
> Seriously,
>
> This many servers I would be going open source all the way, the fact  
> is that Adobe is just not priced for this, with that said, if you  
> end up going with Adobe, contact them, they should do a special  
> price for this type of setup.
>
> My advice would be
>
> Linux Servers
> BlueDragon
> MySQL
>
> LAMB is the new LAMP
>
> Plus you still have the dev / maintenance speed advantages.
>
> Regards
> Dale Fraser
>
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
> On Behalf Of M@ Bourke
> Sent: Wednesday, 17 September 2008 9:15 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Help selling CF as a solution vs. PHP
>
> another question would be, what features of coldfusion do you need?
> maybe open BD would be fine for this application?
> 52 * free = free
> or Railo.
>
> how ever this might not be an option for various reasons, but just a  
> thought for you.
>
> On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Rob Wilson  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  I have just finished with IBM Australia on a project for USA  - The  
> project is a conversion of a current CD based package for students  
> to a online delivered solution to approx 3 million users
> with approx 1.5 million concurrent users.
>
> Currently the client is considering a DOT Net front end with a MS  
> SQL backend - the backend after speaking to IBM today require 28  
> processors licences of SQL at 40k per processor
> (Why MS SQL at this level is another serious question -re licensing  
> fees) with approx 82 plus copies of Win 2003 Enterprise licence ...  
> currently we are unsure of the number of web servers
> .. IBM are suggesting 3 Blade Servers each holding 14 blades
>
> After considering the costs of the front end (web servers) just the  
> windows licensing costs are huge  this naturally brings up the OS  
> costs and then leads onto the development platform
>
> Coldfusion has been suggested during the discussion of DOT Net and  
> open source solutions like PHP however the Coldfusion licence and  
> Linux costs exceed a Windows licence cost
> and a DOT Net solution (a tool is in the process of being written to  
> dynamically convert the CD to a DOT Net solution so we cant use the  
> development time as a point)
>
> In looking at this a bit closer the question may be
> Can a blade server use 1 Coldfusion enterprise licence?
>   OR
> each blade within the Blade server be treated as a separate server  
> requiring a enterprise licence?
>   OR
> is there a major discount for 52 copies of Coldfusion enterprise?
>
> Any suggestions would be great as currently the feeling is PHP is  
> the way to go
>
> Cheers
> Rob Wilson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >


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[cfaussie] Re: Help selling CF as a solution vs. PHP

2008-09-17 Thread Dale Fraser 
Yes,

 

Mark Blair but I heard a rumor he might have moved overseas.

 

It might be worth dropping Ben Forta an email to ask for a contact, he will
happily respond and point you in the right direction.

 

Regards

Dale Fraser

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Rob Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, 17 September 2008 10:11 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Help selling CF as a solution vs. PHP

 

Thanks Dale, 

I was forgetting about BlueDragon ... and yes its worth a phone call to
Adobe ... Do you know someone there I can contact?

 

Cheers

Rob Wilson

 

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From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Dale Fraser
Sent: Wednesday, 17 September 2008 9:56 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Help selling CF as a solution vs. PHP

Seriously,

 

This many servers I would be going open source all the way, the fact is that
Adobe is just not priced for this, with that said, if you end up going with
Adobe, contact them, they should do a special price for this type of setup.

 

My advice would be

 

Linux Servers

BlueDragon

MySQL

 

LAMB is the new LAMP

 

Plus you still have the dev / maintenance speed advantages.

 

Regards

Dale Fraser

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of M@ Bourke
Sent: Wednesday, 17 September 2008 9:15 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Help selling CF as a solution vs. PHP

 

another question would be, what features of coldfusion do you need?
maybe open BD would be fine for this application?
52 * free = free
or Railo. 

how ever this might not be an option for various reasons, but just a thought
for you.

On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Rob Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 I have just finished with IBM Australia on a project for USA  - The project
is a conversion of a current CD based package for students to a online
delivered solution to approx 3 million users 

with approx 1.5 million concurrent users.

 

Currently the client is considering a DOT Net front end with a MS SQL
backend - the backend after speaking to IBM today require 28 processors
licences of SQL at 40k per processor  

(Why MS SQL at this level is another serious question -re licensing fees)
with approx 82 plus copies of Win 2003 Enterprise licence ... currently we
are unsure of the number of web servers 
.. IBM are suggesting 3 Blade Servers each holding 14 blades 

 

After considering the costs of the front end (web servers) just the windows
licensing costs are huge  this naturally brings up the OS costs and then
leads onto the development platform

 

Coldfusion has been suggested during the discussion of DOT Net and open
source solutions like PHP however the Coldfusion licence and Linux costs
exceed a Windows licence cost 
and a DOT Net solution (a tool is in the process of being written to
dynamically convert the CD to a DOT Net solution so we cant use the
development time as a point)

In looking at this a bit closer the question may be 
Can a blade server use 1 Coldfusion enterprise licence?
  OR 
each blade within the Blade server be treated as a separate server requiring
a enterprise licence?

  OR 
is there a major discount for 52 copies of Coldfusion enterprise? 

 

Any suggestions would be great as currently the feeling is PHP is the way to
go 

 

Cheers

Rob Wilson

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[cfaussie] Re: Help selling CF as a solution vs. PHP

2008-09-17 Thread M@ Bourke 
like dale said "LAMB is the new LAMP"

many managers will be like "oh LAMB that sounds fancy, whats it cost?"

blue dragon I've always found to be very stable and use a lot less resources
then CF, especially if ya run multiple instances as the whole server app is
a lot smaller.

depending on what features ya need BD might be perfect (although I think I'm
repeating my self lol)

M@


On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Rob Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Thanks Dale,
> I was forgetting about BlueDragon ... and yes its worth a phone call to
> Adobe ... Do you know someone there I can contact?
>
> Cheers
> Rob Wilson
>
>  --
> *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On
> Behalf Of *Dale Fraser
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 17 September 2008 9:56 PM
>
> *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [cfaussie] Re: Help selling CF as a solution vs. PHP
>
>  Seriously,
>
>
>
> This many servers I would be going open source all the way, the fact is
> that Adobe is just not priced for this, with that said, if you end up going
> with Adobe, contact them, they should do a special price for this type of
> setup.
>
>
>
> My advice would be
>
>
>
> Linux Servers
>
> BlueDragon
>
> MySQL
>
>
>
> LAMB is the new LAMP
>
>
>
> Plus you still have the dev / maintenance speed advantages.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Dale Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On
> Behalf Of *M@ Bourke
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 17 September 2008 9:15 PM
> *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [cfaussie] Re: Help selling CF as a solution vs. PHP
>
>
>
> another question would be, what features of coldfusion do you need?
> maybe open BD would be fine for this application?
> 52 * free = free
> or Railo.
>
> how ever this might not be an option for various reasons, but just a
> thought for you.
>
>  On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Rob Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>  I have just finished with IBM Australia on a project for USA  - The
> project is a conversion of a current CD based package for students to a
> online delivered solution to approx 3 million users
>
> with approx 1.5 million concurrent users.
>
>
>
> Currently the client is considering a DOT Net front end with a MS SQL
> backend - the backend after speaking to IBM today require 28 processors
> licences of SQL at 40k per processor
>
> (Why MS SQL at this level is another serious question -re licensing fees)
> with approx 82 plus copies of Win 2003 Enterprise licence ... currently we
> are unsure of the number of web servers
> .. IBM are suggesting 3 Blade Servers each holding 14 blades
>
>
>
> After considering the costs of the front end (web servers) just the windows
> licensing costs are huge  this naturally brings up the OS costs and then
> leads onto the development platform
>
>
>
> Coldfusion has been suggested during the discussion of DOT Net and open
> source solutions like PHP however the Coldfusion licence and Linux costs
> exceed a Windows licence cost
> and a DOT Net solution (a tool is in the process of being written to
> dynamically convert the CD to a DOT Net solution so we cant use the
> development time as a point)
>
> In looking at this a bit closer the question may be
> Can a blade server use 1 Coldfusion enterprise licence?
>   OR
> each blade within the Blade server be treated as a separate server
> requiring a enterprise licence?
>
>   OR
> is there a major discount for 52 copies of Coldfusion enterprise?
>
>
>
> Any suggestions would be great as currently the feeling is PHP is the way
> to go
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Rob Wilson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>

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[cfaussie] Re: Help selling CF as a solution vs. PHP

2008-09-17 Thread Rob Wilson 
Thanks Dale, 
I was forgetting about BlueDragon ... and yes its worth a phone call to
Adobe ... Do you know someone there I can contact?
 
Cheers
Rob Wilson

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From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Dale Fraser
Sent: Wednesday, 17 September 2008 9:56 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
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Seriously,

 

This many servers I would be going open source all the way, the fact is that
Adobe is just not priced for this, with that said, if you end up going with
Adobe, contact them, they should do a special price for this type of setup.

 

My advice would be

 

Linux Servers

BlueDragon

MySQL

 

LAMB is the new LAMP

 

Plus you still have the dev / maintenance speed advantages.

 

Regards

Dale Fraser

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of M@ Bourke
Sent: Wednesday, 17 September 2008 9:15 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Help selling CF as a solution vs. PHP

 

another question would be, what features of coldfusion do you need?
maybe open BD would be fine for this application?
52 * free = free
or Railo. 

how ever this might not be an option for various reasons, but just a thought
for you.



On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Rob Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 I have just finished with IBM Australia on a project for USA  - The project
is a conversion of a current CD based package for students to a online
delivered solution to approx 3 million users 

with approx 1.5 million concurrent users.

 

Currently the client is considering a DOT Net front end with a MS SQL
backend - the backend after speaking to IBM today require 28 processors
licences of SQL at 40k per processor  

(Why MS SQL at this level is another serious question -re licensing fees)
with approx 82 plus copies of Win 2003 Enterprise licence ... currently we
are unsure of the number of web servers 
.. IBM are suggesting 3 Blade Servers each holding 14 blades 

 

After considering the costs of the front end (web servers) just the windows
licensing costs are huge  this naturally brings up the OS costs and then
leads onto the development platform

 

Coldfusion has been suggested during the discussion of DOT Net and open
source solutions like PHP however the Coldfusion licence and Linux costs
exceed a Windows licence cost 
and a DOT Net solution (a tool is in the process of being written to
dynamically convert the CD to a DOT Net solution so we cant use the
development time as a point)

In looking at this a bit closer the question may be 
Can a blade server use 1 Coldfusion enterprise licence?
  OR 
each blade within the Blade server be treated as a separate server requiring
a enterprise licence?

  OR 
is there a major discount for 52 copies of Coldfusion enterprise? 

 

Any suggestions would be great as currently the feeling is PHP is the way to
go 

 

Cheers

Rob Wilson

 

 

 

 

 








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[cfaussie] Re: Help selling CF as a solution vs. PHP

2008-09-17 Thread Dale Fraser 
Seriously,

 

This many servers I would be going open source all the way, the fact is that
Adobe is just not priced for this, with that said, if you end up going with
Adobe, contact them, they should do a special price for this type of setup.

 

My advice would be

 

Linux Servers

BlueDragon

MySQL

 

LAMB is the new LAMP

 

Plus you still have the dev / maintenance speed advantages.

 

Regards

Dale Fraser

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of M@ Bourke
Sent: Wednesday, 17 September 2008 9:15 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Help selling CF as a solution vs. PHP

 

another question would be, what features of coldfusion do you need?
maybe open BD would be fine for this application?
52 * free = free
or Railo. 

how ever this might not be an option for various reasons, but just a thought
for you.



On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Rob Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 I have just finished with IBM Australia on a project for USA  - The project
is a conversion of a current CD based package for students to a online
delivered solution to approx 3 million users 

with approx 1.5 million concurrent users.

 

Currently the client is considering a DOT Net front end with a MS SQL
backend - the backend after speaking to IBM today require 28 processors
licences of SQL at 40k per processor  

(Why MS SQL at this level is another serious question -re licensing fees)
with approx 82 plus copies of Win 2003 Enterprise licence ... currently we
are unsure of the number of web servers 
.. IBM are suggesting 3 Blade Servers each holding 14 blades 

 

After considering the costs of the front end (web servers) just the windows
licensing costs are huge  this naturally brings up the OS costs and then
leads onto the development platform

 

Coldfusion has been suggested during the discussion of DOT Net and open
source solutions like PHP however the Coldfusion licence and Linux costs
exceed a Windows licence cost 
and a DOT Net solution (a tool is in the process of being written to
dynamically convert the CD to a DOT Net solution so we cant use the
development time as a point)

In looking at this a bit closer the question may be 
Can a blade server use 1 Coldfusion enterprise licence?
  OR 
each blade within the Blade server be treated as a separate server requiring
a enterprise licence?

  OR 
is there a major discount for 52 copies of Coldfusion enterprise? 

 

Any suggestions would be great as currently the feeling is PHP is the way to
go 

 

Cheers

Rob Wilson

 

 

 

 

 




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[cfaussie] Re: Help selling CF as a solution vs. PHP

2008-09-17 Thread Steve Onnis 
Rod
 
You have to remember that BLADE servers are just small servers that slide
into a compact rack based unit. They operate as an independent server with
their own CPU and OS. The sort of thing you want to do it only do-able if
you went across virtual machines because they use the same physical CPU so
if you went the BLADE option you would need a license per BLADE server.  The
question is do you need to have enterprise or standard licenses?  You could
get 10 really beefy servers and run VMWare and load balance then across the
main servers.  This is a nice option because will make it very easy to
expand the cluster with minimal cost and disruption to the service.  You
could even do it all remotely if you have the room.  Even better, you could
get 2 really beefy servers with tonnes of hard drive space and have it run
over a SAN and just have like client machines running the VMs.  Again very
easy to expand the network.  Regarding the windows licenses, you could also
potentially save on them also by using the DataCenter version as it allows
for unlimited installs on the same CPU.
 
So basically all you would need is say :
- 5 CF licenses
- 5 Windows Server DataCenter licenses
- 5 X nice servers to run 10 VMs each (this is where you will need a lot of
RAM)
- 1 x nice SAN server with heaps of hard drive space
- Maybe 2 clustered SQL servers
 
Now I dont know how these guys will like the idea of running VMs like this
as they may prefer to run physical servers. Its just going to get very
expensive if they do.
 
Remember also, you dont have to run windows. you can run WebSphere and build
your app in CF and package it also.
 
Something to think about...
 
Steve

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From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Rob Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, 17 September 2008 8:37 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Help selling CF as a solution vs. PHP


 I have just finished with IBM Australia on a project for USA  - The project
is a conversion of a current CD based package for students to a online
delivered solution to approx 3 million users 
with approx 1.5 million concurrent users.
 
Currently the client is considering a DOT Net front end with a MS SQL
backend - the backend after speaking to IBM today require 28 processors
licences of SQL at 40k per processor  
(Why MS SQL at this level is another serious question -re licensing fees)
with approx 82 plus copies of Win 2003 Enterprise licence ... currently we
are unsure of the number of web servers 
.. IBM are suggesting 3 Blade Servers each holding 14 blades 
 
After considering the costs of the front end (web servers) just the windows
licensing costs are huge  this naturally brings up the OS costs and then
leads onto the development platform
 
Coldfusion has been suggested during the discussion of DOT Net and open
source solutions like PHP however the Coldfusion licence and Linux costs
exceed a Windows licence cost 
and a DOT Net solution (a tool is in the process of being written to
dynamically convert the CD to a DOT Net solution so we cant use the
development time as a point)

In looking at this a bit closer the question may be 
Can a blade server use 1 Coldfusion enterprise licence?
  OR 
each blade within the Blade server be treated as a separate server requiring
a enterprise licence?
  OR 
is there a major discount for 52 copies of Coldfusion enterprise? 
 
Any suggestions would be great as currently the feeling is PHP is the way to
go 
 
Cheers
Rob Wilson
 
 




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[cfaussie] Re: Help selling CF as a solution vs. PHP

2008-09-17 Thread M@ Bourke 
another question would be, what features of coldfusion do you need?
maybe open BD would be fine for this application?
52 * free = free
or Railo.

how ever this might not be an option for various reasons, but just a thought
for you.


On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Rob Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   I have just finished with IBM Australia on a project for USA  - The
> project is a conversion of a current CD based package for students to a
> online delivered solution to approx 3 million users
> with approx 1.5 million concurrent users.
>
> Currently the client is considering a DOT Net front end with a MS SQL
> backend - the backend after speaking to IBM today require 28 processors
> licences of SQL at 40k per processor
> (Why MS SQL at this level is another serious question -re licensing fees) with
> approx 82 plus copies of Win 2003 Enterprise licence ... currently we are
> unsure of the number of web servers
> .. IBM are suggesting 3 Blade Servers each holding 14 blades
>
> After considering the costs of the front end (web servers) just the windows
> licensing costs are huge  this naturally brings up the OS costs and then
> leads onto the development platform
>
> Coldfusion has been suggested during the discussion of DOT Net and open
> source solutions like PHP however the Coldfusion licence and Linux costs
> exceed a Windows licence cost
> and a DOT Net solution (a tool is in the process of being written to
> dynamically convert the CD to a DOT Net solution so we cant use the
> development time as a point)
>
> In looking at this a bit closer the question may be
> Can a blade server use 1 Coldfusion enterprise licence?
>   OR
> each blade within the Blade server be treated as a separate server
> requiring a enterprise licence?
>   OR
> is there a major discount for 52 copies of Coldfusion enterprise?
>
> Any suggestions would be great as currently the feeling is PHP is the way
> to go
>
> Cheers
> Rob Wilson
>
>
>
> >
>

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[cfaussie] Help selling CF as a solution vs. PHP

2008-09-17 Thread Rob Wilson 
 I have just finished with IBM Australia on a project for USA  - The project
is a conversion of a current CD based package for students to a online
delivered solution to approx 3 million users 
with approx 1.5 million concurrent users.
 
Currently the client is considering a DOT Net front end with a MS SQL
backend - the backend after speaking to IBM today require 28 processors
licences of SQL at 40k per processor  
(Why MS SQL at this level is another serious question -re licensing fees)
with approx 82 plus copies of Win 2003 Enterprise licence ... currently we
are unsure of the number of web servers 
.. IBM are suggesting 3 Blade Servers each holding 14 blades 
 
After considering the costs of the front end (web servers) just the windows
licensing costs are huge  this naturally brings up the OS costs and then
leads onto the development platform
 
Coldfusion has been suggested during the discussion of DOT Net and open
source solutions like PHP however the Coldfusion licence and Linux costs
exceed a Windows licence cost 
and a DOT Net solution (a tool is in the process of being written to
dynamically convert the CD to a DOT Net solution so we cant use the
development time as a point)

In looking at this a bit closer the question may be 
Can a blade server use 1 Coldfusion enterprise licence?
  OR 
each blade within the Blade server be treated as a separate server requiring
a enterprise licence?
  OR 
is there a major discount for 52 copies of Coldfusion enterprise? 
 
Any suggestions would be great as currently the feeling is PHP is the way to
go 
 
Cheers
Rob Wilson
 
 

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[cfaussie] Re: cf6.1 losing neo-query.xml

2008-09-17 Thread Simon Haddon 
Hi Mark,

I can't say I have had that problem but I would suggest the following.

1. Stop coldfusion before renaming any files
2. Take a copy of neo-query.bak (to a different directory).
3. then copy it to neo-query.xml
4. restart coldfusion.

The reason for stopping CF is that the neo files get overridden each time
the server is stopped.  If you don't do that first then you will loose your
copy. and have it replaced with whatever is in memory at the time. ie:
Whatever you see in the CF administrator.

Hope that helps a little.

Cheers,
Simon

2008/9/17 mark ireland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>
> Anyone had a problem where cf6.1 lost neo-query.xml
>
> Adobes' knowledge base says to rename neo-query.bak to neo-query.xml
>
> I am hoping someone who has been down this road can tell me what they
> learned about the cause.
>
> Thanks
> >
>


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