[cfaussie] [ANN-SYD] Parsley and FDT Meeting Recording
Sorry for the delay in getting the recording out to you. The url is:- http://adobechats.adobe.acrobat.com/p41395518/ The Parsley part of the talk starts at 46:30. Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney m: 0415 469 095 www.apugs.org.au Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney February 2010: An In Depth Look at Google Wave Date: 22nd Feb 6pm for 6:30 start Details: http://groups.adobe.com/posts/144c9aace2 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: CF7 (and 8) High CPU usage on production box
Ummmme again :-) I'm seeing about 20 of these in my thread dump. Is anyone able to tell me if they anything to be concerned about? Thread Stack Trace Trace Time: 23:35:12.743 03-Feb-2010 Thread ID:obj-skimmer Priority: 5 Hashcode: 22419531 obj-skimmer daemon prio=5 tid=0x00a5a0a0 nid=0x99 in Object.wait() [0x9cb01000..0x9cb019c0] at java.lang.Object.wait(Native Method) - waiting on 0xbedddb30 (a coldfusion.server.j2ee.pool.PoolSkimmerThread) at coldfusion.server.j2ee.pool.PoolSkimmerThread.run(PoolSkimmerThread.java:47) - locked 0xbedddb30 (a coldfusion.server.j2ee.pool.PoolSkimmerThread) at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:534) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: CF7 (and 8) High CPU usage on production box
Those are the threads in the thread pool waiting to be used. They aren't doing anything. Mark On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Andrew Myers am2...@gmail.com wrote: Ummmme again :-) I'm seeing about 20 of these in my thread dump. Is anyone able to tell me if they anything to be concerned about? Thread Stack Trace Trace Time: 23:35:12.743 03-Feb-2010 Thread ID:obj-skimmer Priority: 5 Hashcode: 22419531 obj-skimmer daemon prio=5 tid=0x00a5a0a0 nid=0x99 in Object.wait() [0x9cb01000..0x9cb019c0] at java.lang.Object.wait(Native Method) - waiting on 0xbedddb30 (a coldfusion.server.j2ee.pool.PoolSkimmerThread) at coldfusion.server.j2ee.pool.PoolSkimmerThread.run(PoolSkimmerThread.java:47) - locked 0xbedddb30 (a coldfusion.server.j2ee.pool.PoolSkimmerThread) at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:534) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training @ cf.Objective() 2010 www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] I need some small business network advice
Hi, I am a CF/RIA developer that is involved with a small consulting firm in Canberra. They need to upgrade their server infrastructure and need to talk to someone who is across the practical realities of Enterprise Server an especially other alternatives that might suit them better. Also looking at Alfreso document management. They need the usual centralised email/contacts/intranet etc with an infrastructure that allows easy web services interface to their centralised data for some internal specialised apps (which is where I come in). I know this is off topic but I was hoping someone might know a forum or a company or an individual who can point us in the right direction so we can get an experienced view of the subject. Thanks, Murray -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] Re: I need some small business network advice
I said Enterprise Server and what I meant to say was Exchange Server -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: CF7 (and 8) High CPU usage on production box
You have to log it on the JVM level or run a JVM monitoring tool. The memory usage graph in FR is a good first indicator but depending on your JVM settings GC might be so minimal that you won't be able to really tell what's going on. Without proper logging you also won't be able to tell if it's been a Full GC or which Generation had triggered it. Add something like this to your JVM args: -verbose:gc -Xloggc:mylogfile.log -XX:+PrintGCDetails -XX:+PrintGCTimeStamps Note, there are a lot more attributes that control the logging, just depends on what you want and need. Or look for tools like: VisualGC, GCViewer and a lot of others. They all basically help you with one or the other aspect, gain depends on what you want. Cheers Kai On 4/02/2010, at 11:10 AM, Andrew Myers wrote: Thanks Mark. Is anyone able to please tell me how I can identify when garbage collection is happening? On 4 February 2010 07:59, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: Those are the threads in the thread pool waiting to be used. They aren't doing anything. Mark On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Andrew Myers am2...@gmail.com wrote: Ummmme again :-) I'm seeing about 20 of these in my thread dump. Is anyone able to tell me if they anything to be concerned about? Thread Stack Trace Trace Time: 23:35:12.743 03-Feb-2010 Thread ID:obj-skimmer Priority: 5 Hashcode: 22419531 obj-skimmer daemon prio=5 tid=0x00a5a0a0 nid=0x99 in Object.wait() [0x9cb01000..0x9cb019c0] at java.lang.Object.wait(Native Method) - waiting on 0xbedddb30 (a coldfusion.server.j2ee.pool.PoolSkimmerThread) at coldfusion.server.j2ee.pool.PoolSkimmerThread.run(PoolSkimmerThread.java:47) - locked 0xbedddb30 (a coldfusion.server.j2ee.pool.PoolSkimmerThread) at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:534) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training @ cf.Objective() 2010 www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. _ Kai Koenig - Ventego Creative Ltd ph: +64 4 476 6781 - mob: +64 21 928 365 / +61 450 132 117 web: http://www.ventego-creative.co.nz blog: http://www.bloginblack.de twitter: http://www.twitter.com/agentK -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] I need some small business network advice
They insist on hosting their own email server? A long list of products claim an easy web services interface (but those who know can go on and on about what wrong with the one they have used a lot) BTW Done any more with ExtJS? Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 13:44:00 -0800 Subject: [cfaussie] I need some small business network advice From: mur...@murrah.com.au To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Hi, I am a CF/RIA developer that is involved with a small consulting firm in Canberra. They need to upgrade their server infrastructure and need to talk to someone who is across the practical realities of Enterprise Server an especially other alternatives that might suit them better. Also looking at Alfreso document management. They need the usual centralised email/contacts/intranet etc with an infrastructure that allows easy web services interface to their centralised data for some internal specialised apps (which is where I come in). I know this is off topic but I was hoping someone might know a forum or a company or an individual who can point us in the right direction so we can get an experienced view of the subject. Thanks, Murray -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. _ View photos of singles in your area! Browse profiles for FREE http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] I need some small business network advice
if you are looking for something off the shelf you could always go M$ small business server, use exchange server which will give you a web interface and document management portal _ From: Mark Ireland [mailto:markinc...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 4 February 2010 10:55 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [cfaussie] I need some small business network advice They insist on hosting their own email server? A long list of products claim an easy web services interface (but those who know can go on and on about what wrong with the one they have used a lot) BTW Done any more with ExtJS? Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 13:44:00 -0800 Subject: [cfaussie] I need some small business network advice From: mur...@murrah.com.au To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Hi, I am a CF/RIA developer that is involved with a small consulting firm in Canberra. They need to upgrade their server infrastructure and need to talk to someone who is across the practical realities of Enterprise Server an especially other alternatives that might suit them better. Also looking at Alfreso document management. They need the usual centralised email/contacts/intranet etc with an infrastructure that allows easy web services interface to their centralised data for some internal specialised apps (which is where I come in). I know this is off topic but I was hoping someone might know a forum or a company or an individual who can point us in the right direction so we can get an experienced view of the subject. Thanks, Murray -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. _ Browse profiles for FREE View photos http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/ of singles in your area! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] I need some small business network advice
have a look at google for domains standard edition On 4 February 2010 11:57, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: if you are looking for something off the shelf you could always go M$ small business server, use exchange server which will give you a web interface and document management portal From: Mark Ireland [mailto:markinc...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 4 February 2010 10:55 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [cfaussie] I need some small business network advice They insist on hosting their own email server? A long list of products claim an easy web services interface (but those who know can go on and on about what wrong with the one they have used a lot) BTW Done any more with ExtJS? Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 13:44:00 -0800 Subject: [cfaussie] I need some small business network advice From: mur...@murrah.com.au To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Hi, I am a CF/RIA developer that is involved with a small consulting firm in Canberra. They need to upgrade their server infrastructure and need to talk to someone who is across the practical realities of Enterprise Server an especially other alternatives that might suit them better. Also looking at Alfreso document management. They need the usual centralised email/contacts/intranet etc with an infrastructure that allows easy web services interface to their centralised data for some internal specialised apps (which is where I come in). I know this is off topic but I was hoping someone might know a forum or a company or an individual who can point us in the right direction so we can get an experienced view of the subject. Thanks, Murray -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. Browse profiles for FREE View photos of singles in your area! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- Zac Spitzer Solution Architect / Director Ennoble Consultancy Australia http://www.ennoble.com.au http://zacster.blogspot.com +61 405 847 168 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] Re: I need some small business network advice
As far as Exchange is concerned, one alternative is MDaemon, which for the small company I was working at the time, worked out considerably cheaper. http://www.altn.com/Products/MDaemon-Email-Server-Windows/ As well as the usual, it offered Anti Spam, black/white listing, Outlook Integrationetc. Fairly easy to operate... I can be hooked up to the ISP's mail server (POP pickup), or it can work stand-alone as a 'real' DNS integrated SMTP Public mail server. Friendly folks, good support, regular updates. I beleive they offer a free 30 day trial. Cheers, Bryn On Feb 4, 5:44 am, Murrah mur...@murrah.com.au wrote: Hi, I am a CF/RIA developer that is involved with a small consulting firm in Canberra. They need to upgrade their server infrastructure and need to talk to someone who is across the practical realities of Enterprise Server an especially other alternatives that might suit them better. Also looking at Alfreso document management. They need the usual centralised email/contacts/intranet etc with an infrastructure that allows easy web services interface to their centralised data for some internal specialised apps (which is where I come in). I know this is off topic but I was hoping someone might know a forum or a company or an individual who can point us in the right direction so we can get an experienced view of the subject. Thanks, Murray -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] CFUG Melbourne for 2010 (Post CFDrinks 3 Feb)
As planned (9 of us if I can count) gathered last night for CFDrinks at Fad Gallery in Melbourne. Thanks to all who attended and to Rocket Boots for picking up the bar tab. By the way, for those of you who missed this piece of news, Mark Mandel has stepped down from co-managing the Melbourne CFUG and I have stepped in to work with Steve Onnis for this year. Mark, thanks for all your hard work, and we look forward to seeing you as often as you're able to make it to the CFUGs. Steve and my roles will be very roughly divided between communication, booking speakers, etc (me) and general logistics and sponsorship (Steve). Aside from drinking, we discussed where the Melbourne CFUG might go this year and resolved that there will not be a formal CFUG this month, and that we'll kick off in earnest for March. Other than that, no hard-and-fast decisions were made as we'd like to involve as many of you as possible in shaping the group. Included in the things we tossed around were: - VENUE: Dale on behalf of Cog State once again generously offered their board room. Cog State will be moving into the CBD later in the year, so this would satisfy centrality. Would people prefer a room at a bar (provided noise levels, suitable projection, etc could be managed)? - SCOPE: Given the demise of both the Adobe and Flex UGs here in Melbourne, should we provide coverage across the Adobe dev space and incorporate at least Flex? There was a general feeling that this would bring benefits to both camps. - FORMAT: Various formats were kicked around, including 1 main presentation plus discussion, 2 presentations, 1 main plus 1 small presentation, etc. Some of us would also like a casual, social opportunity to have a drink and talk afterward. - SPEAKERS / TOPICS: As always, we'll be looking for people prepared to present on a topic of interest. Please put yourself forward if you'd like to offer. We'll also be asking you what sorts of topics you'd all like covered. Steve Onnis and I will be organising a survey shortly to get a clear handle on what people want. In the meantime, your input here would be very welcome. Cheers Peter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] CFUG Melbourne for 2010 (Post CFDrinks 3 Feb)
Good summary Peter, I would like to hear from people on this list who either have never attend the user group or rarely attend. What would it take to get you to a user group, or why don't you attend. Is it location, time, content, other? Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Robertson Sent: Thursday, 4 February 2010 3:06 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] CFUG Melbourne for 2010 (Post CFDrinks 3 Feb) As planned (9 of us if I can count) gathered last night for CFDrinks at Fad Gallery in Melbourne. Thanks to all who attended and to Rocket Boots for picking up the bar tab. By the way, for those of you who missed this piece of news, Mark Mandel has stepped down from co-managing the Melbourne CFUG and I have stepped in to work with Steve Onnis for this year. Mark, thanks for all your hard work, and we look forward to seeing you as often as you're able to make it to the CFUGs. Steve and my roles will be very roughly divided between communication, booking speakers, etc (me) and general logistics and sponsorship (Steve). Aside from drinking, we discussed where the Melbourne CFUG might go this year and resolved that there will not be a formal CFUG this month, and that we'll kick off in earnest for March. Other than that, no hard-and-fast decisions were made as we'd like to involve as many of you as possible in shaping the group. Included in the things we tossed around were: - VENUE: Dale on behalf of Cog State once again generously offered their board room. Cog State will be moving into the CBD later in the year, so this would satisfy centrality. Would people prefer a room at a bar (provided noise levels, suitable projection, etc could be managed)? - SCOPE: Given the demise of both the Adobe and Flex UGs here in Melbourne, should we provide coverage across the Adobe dev space and incorporate at least Flex? There was a general feeling that this would bring benefits to both camps. - FORMAT: Various formats were kicked around, including 1 main presentation plus discussion, 2 presentations, 1 main plus 1 small presentation, etc. Some of us would also like a casual, social opportunity to have a drink and talk afterward. - SPEAKERS / TOPICS: As always, we'll be looking for people prepared to present on a topic of interest. Please put yourself forward if you'd like to offer. We'll also be asking you what sorts of topics you'd all like covered. Steve Onnis and I will be organising a survey shortly to get a clear handle on what people want. In the meantime, your input here would be very welcome. Cheers Peter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] Re: CF7 (and 8) High CPU usage on production box
GCViewer as Kai mentioned is a good one, I have used that and it gives you a good graphical view of when collections are happening. http://www.tagtraum.com/gcviewer.html Makes it really easy to see when major GC's are happening :) It does have a real time view where you can watch it as it logs (but i've found that a bit buggy) alternatively you can just load a log file from several hours and just view that. Barry On Feb 4, 11:21 am, Kai Koenig k...@koeni.de wrote: You have to log it on the JVM level or run a JVM monitoring tool. The memory usage graph in FR is a good first indicator but depending on your JVM settings GC might be so minimal that you won't be able to really tell what's going on. Without proper logging you also won't be able to tell if it's been a Full GC or which Generation had triggered it. Add something like this to your JVM args: -verbose:gc -Xloggc:mylogfile.log -XX:+PrintGCDetails -XX:+PrintGCTimeStamps Note, there are a lot more attributes that control the logging, just depends on what you want and need. Or look for tools like: VisualGC, GCViewer and a lot of others. They all basically help you with one or the other aspect, gain depends on what you want. Cheers Kai On 4/02/2010, at 11:10 AM, Andrew Myers wrote: Thanks Mark. Is anyone able to please tell me how I can identify when garbage collection is happening? On 4 February 2010 07:59, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: Those are the threads in the thread pool waiting to be used. They aren't doing anything. Mark On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Andrew Myers am2...@gmail.com wrote: Ummmme again :-) I'm seeing about 20 of these in my thread dump. Is anyone able to tell me if they anything to be concerned about? Thread Stack Trace Trace Time: 23:35:12.743 03-Feb-2010 Thread ID: obj-skimmer Priority: 5 Hashcode: 22419531 obj-skimmer daemon prio=5 tid=0x00a5a0a0 nid=0x99 in Object.wait() [0x9cb01000..0x9cb019c0] at java.lang.Object.wait(Native Method) - waiting on 0xbedddb30 (a coldfusion.server.j2ee.pool.PoolSkimmerThread) at coldfusion.server.j2ee.pool.PoolSkimmerThread.run(PoolSkimmerThread.java:47) - locked 0xbedddb30 (a coldfusion.server.j2ee.pool.PoolSkimmerThread) at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:534) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T:http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W:www.compoundtheory.com Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training @ cf.Objective() 2010 www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. _ Kai Koenig - Ventego Creative Ltd ph: +64 4 476 6781 - mob: +64 21 928 365 / +61 450 132 117 web:http://www.ventego-creative.co.nz blog:http://www.bloginblack.de twitter:http://www.twitter.com/agentK -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
