[cfaussie] Re: CFAussie Posts Are Very Occasional

2013-08-13 Thread Adam Chapman
I still lurk here.. though I find most of my issues are resolved by 
googling..

BTW.. Hi!

On Monday, August 12, 2013 12:33:49 PM UTC+10, rai...@ozemail.com.au wrote:

  Hi

  

 Wondering if this user group is still active as I seem to only receive the 
 occasional post every now and then often nothing for over a week, in the 
 past its been far more regular activity ??

  

 Is there a more active user group that I am not aware of ???

  

  

  

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 Claude Raiola

 SAMARIS Software

  
  

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Re: [cfaussie] CFAussie Posts Are Very Occasional

2013-08-13 Thread Tim Donovan
Sad but true :(
On 12 Aug 2013 18:55, M@ Bourke m.electronic.at.sym...@gmail.com wrote:

 well that's quite obvious, go to any CF usergroup or conference etc and
 count how many developers there are under 25, then go to a PHP usergroup,
 CF the likely number will be zero, PHP it'll be around 60%

 On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Andrew Myers am2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Maybe it's a sign not many new folks are coming to cf?
 On 12/08/2013 6:48 PM, M@ Bourke m.electronic.at.sym...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I think one of the reasons this group is so quiet is that everyone in
 here has been using CF for such a long time they rarely have questions.
 but I'm sure many people see the messages come through etc

 On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Zac Spitzer zac.spit...@gmail.comwrote:

 do most people subscribe via email or use the web interface?


 On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Dale Fraser d...@fraser.id.au wrote:

  The kind of questions you have been posting are probably better
 placed on stack overflow.

 ** **

 You will get more answers and quicker, cfaussie is pretty dormant,
 most google groups are showing decline because of other sites such as 
 stack
 overflow.

 ** **

 Regards

 Dale Fraser

 ** **

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 *Subject:* [cfaussie] CFAussie Posts Are Very Occasional

 ** **

 Hi

 ** **

 Wondering if this user group is still active as I seem to only receive
 the occasional post every now and then often nothing for over a week, in
 the past its been far more regular activity ??

 ** **

 Is there a more active user group that I am not aware of ???

 ** **

 ** **

 ** **

 Kind Regards

 ** **

 Claude Raiola

 SAMARIS Software

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Re: [cfaussie] CFAussie Posts Are Very Occasional

2013-08-13 Thread Geoff Bowers
On Monday, 12 August 2013 18:55:48 UTC+10, M@ wrote:

 well that's quite obvious, go to any CF usergroup or conference etc and 
 count how many developers there are under 25, then go to a PHP usergroup, 
 CF the likely number will be zero, PHP it'll be around 60%


Won't someone save the children from PHP?!  My heart goes out to the next 
generation.

GB 

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Re: [cfaussie] CFAussie Posts Are Very Occasional

2013-08-13 Thread Zac Spitzer
by the time the average young php developer has read thru 7 different php
doc pages for functions
which are almost the same but different and the 35 pages of comments, they
usually emerge as adults


On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Geoff Bowers mod...@daemon.com.au wrote:

 On Monday, 12 August 2013 18:55:48 UTC+10, M@ wrote:

 well that's quite obvious, go to any CF usergroup or conference etc and
 count how many developers there are under 25, then go to a PHP usergroup,
 CF the likely number will be zero, PHP it'll be around 60%


 Won't someone save the children from PHP?!  My heart goes out to the next
 generation.

 GB

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Re: [cfaussie] CFAussie Posts Are Very Occasional

2013-08-13 Thread Mark Mandel
M@ What are you doing at PHP usergroups? ;)

I think you'll find some young developers are now circling back around to
Erlang and Haskell (actually, not a joke)

Mark




On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 6:55 PM, M@ Bourke m.electronic.at.sym...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 well that's quite obvious, go to any CF usergroup or conference etc and
 count how many developers there are under 25, then go to a PHP usergroup,
 CF the likely number will be zero, PHP it'll be around 60%


 On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Andrew Myers am2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Maybe it's a sign not many new folks are coming to cf?
 On 12/08/2013 6:48 PM, M@ Bourke m.electronic.at.sym...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I think one of the reasons this group is so quiet is that everyone in
 here has been using CF for such a long time they rarely have questions.
 but I'm sure many people see the messages come through etc

 On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Zac Spitzer zac.spit...@gmail.comwrote:

 do most people subscribe via email or use the web interface?


 On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Dale Fraser d...@fraser.id.au wrote:

  The kind of questions you have been posting are probably better
 placed on stack overflow.

 ** **

 You will get more answers and quicker, cfaussie is pretty dormant,
 most google groups are showing decline because of other sites such as 
 stack
 overflow.

 ** **

 Regards

 Dale Fraser

 ** **

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 Behalf Of *rai...@ozemail.com.au
 *Sent:* Monday, 12 August 2013 12:34 PM
 *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* [cfaussie] CFAussie Posts Are Very Occasional

 ** **

 Hi

 ** **

 Wondering if this user group is still active as I seem to only receive
 the occasional post every now and then often nothing for over a week, in
 the past its been far more regular activity ??

 ** **

 Is there a more active user group that I am not aware of ???

 ** **

 ** **

 ** **

 Kind Regards

 ** **

 Claude Raiola

 SAMARIS Software

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Re: [cfaussie] CFAussie Posts Are Very Occasional

2013-08-13 Thread Andrew Myers
I'm not exactly young but I'm keenly interested in those at the moment... :)
On 13/08/2013 5:25 PM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote:

 M@ What are you doing at PHP usergroups? ;)

 I think you'll find some young developers are now circling back around to
 Erlang and Haskell (actually, not a joke)

 Mark




 On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 6:55 PM, M@ Bourke 
 m.electronic.at.sym...@gmail.com wrote:

 well that's quite obvious, go to any CF usergroup or conference etc and
 count how many developers there are under 25, then go to a PHP usergroup,
 CF the likely number will be zero, PHP it'll be around 60%


 On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Andrew Myers am2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Maybe it's a sign not many new folks are coming to cf?
 On 12/08/2013 6:48 PM, M@ Bourke m.electronic.at.sym...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I think one of the reasons this group is so quiet is that everyone in
 here has been using CF for such a long time they rarely have questions.
 but I'm sure many people see the messages come through etc

 On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Zac Spitzer zac.spit...@gmail.comwrote:

 do most people subscribe via email or use the web interface?


 On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Dale Fraser d...@fraser.id.auwrote:

  The kind of questions you have been posting are probably better
 placed on stack overflow.

 ** **

 You will get more answers and quicker, cfaussie is pretty dormant,
 most google groups are showing decline because of other sites such as 
 stack
 overflow.

 ** **

 Regards

 Dale Fraser

 ** **

 *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com]
 *On Behalf Of *rai...@ozemail.com.au
 *Sent:* Monday, 12 August 2013 12:34 PM
 *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* [cfaussie] CFAussie Posts Are Very Occasional

 ** **

 Hi

 ** **

 Wondering if this user group is still active as I seem to only
 receive the occasional post every now and then often nothing for over a
 week, in the past its been far more regular activity ??

 ** **

 Is there a more active user group that I am not aware of ???

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 ** **

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 Kind Regards

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Re: [cfaussie] CFAussie Posts Are Very Occasional

2013-08-13 Thread M@ Bourke
I go to user groups of different languages (as many developers do), not
just for the free food but also because they're usually in a pub lol.
PHP community is generally much more up to date with the latest open source
tools, you'll hear about many development/build/testing tools etc at least
a year before they're ever mentioned in the CF community.
I also attend the local, Python, Node and Javascript groups (I'd attend
more but that's what my area is limited too), interesting thing is that at
these groups 40% of the people attend the other groups.

If anyone here only attends CF user groups I highly recommend attending
other languages, they all use the same build tools, testing tools,
development methodologies etc, so it's a good way of seeing demos of
what'll appear in the CF scene a year or 2 down the line.

It's also a good way to get the 90's mentality of You can develop faster
in CF than other languages.

It's an eye opener to go to a cf user group of 10 people then the next week
to go to a PHP user group (not a conference) of 200 developers, most too
young to have heard of CF.

getting a little side tracked now.

Matt
ps: railo rocks



On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote:

 M@ What are you doing at PHP usergroups? ;)

 I think you'll find some young developers are now circling back around to
 Erlang and Haskell (actually, not a joke)

 Mark




 On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 6:55 PM, M@ Bourke 
 m.electronic.at.sym...@gmail.com wrote:

 well that's quite obvious, go to any CF usergroup or conference etc and
 count how many developers there are under 25, then go to a PHP usergroup,
 CF the likely number will be zero, PHP it'll be around 60%


 On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Andrew Myers am2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Maybe it's a sign not many new folks are coming to cf?
 On 12/08/2013 6:48 PM, M@ Bourke m.electronic.at.sym...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I think one of the reasons this group is so quiet is that everyone in
 here has been using CF for such a long time they rarely have questions.
 but I'm sure many people see the messages come through etc

 On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Zac Spitzer zac.spit...@gmail.comwrote:

 do most people subscribe via email or use the web interface?


 On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Dale Fraser d...@fraser.id.auwrote:

  The kind of questions you have been posting are probably better
 placed on stack overflow.

 ** **

 You will get more answers and quicker, cfaussie is pretty dormant,
 most google groups are showing decline because of other sites such as 
 stack
 overflow.

 ** **

 Regards

 Dale Fraser

 ** **

 *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com]
 *On Behalf Of *rai...@ozemail.com.au
 *Sent:* Monday, 12 August 2013 12:34 PM
 *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* [cfaussie] CFAussie Posts Are Very Occasional

 ** **

 Hi

 ** **

 Wondering if this user group is still active as I seem to only
 receive the occasional post every now and then often nothing for over a
 week, in the past its been far more regular activity ??

 ** **

 Is there a more active user group that I am not aware of ???

 ** **

 ** **

 ** **

 Kind Regards

 ** **

 Claude Raiola

 SAMARIS Software

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Re: [cfaussie] CFAussie Posts Are Very Occasional

2013-08-13 Thread Mark Mandel
Oh, I don't begrudge you going to non CF user groups in the slightest...
but a PHP one? ;) for shame sir, for shame ;)

Sent from my mobile doohickey
On 13/08/2013 7:11 PM, M@ Bourke m.electronic.at.sym...@gmail.com wrote:

 I go to user groups of different languages (as many developers do), not
 just for the free food but also because they're usually in a pub lol.
 PHP community is generally much more up to date with the latest open
 source tools, you'll hear about many development/build/testing tools etc at
 least a year before they're ever mentioned in the CF community.
 I also attend the local, Python, Node and Javascript groups (I'd attend
 more but that's what my area is limited too), interesting thing is that at
 these groups 40% of the people attend the other groups.

 If anyone here only attends CF user groups I highly recommend attending
 other languages, they all use the same build tools, testing tools,
 development methodologies etc, so it's a good way of seeing demos of
 what'll appear in the CF scene a year or 2 down the line.

 It's also a good way to get the 90's mentality of You can develop faster
 in CF than other languages.

 It's an eye opener to go to a cf user group of 10 people then the next
 week to go to a PHP user group (not a conference) of 200 developers, most
 too young to have heard of CF.

 getting a little side tracked now.

 Matt
 ps: railo rocks



 On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.comwrote:

 M@ What are you doing at PHP usergroups? ;)

 I think you'll find some young developers are now circling back around to
 Erlang and Haskell (actually, not a joke)

 Mark




 On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 6:55 PM, M@ Bourke 
 m.electronic.at.sym...@gmail.com wrote:

 well that's quite obvious, go to any CF usergroup or conference etc and
 count how many developers there are under 25, then go to a PHP usergroup,
 CF the likely number will be zero, PHP it'll be around 60%


 On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Andrew Myers am2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Maybe it's a sign not many new folks are coming to cf?
 On 12/08/2013 6:48 PM, M@ Bourke m.electronic.at.sym...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I think one of the reasons this group is so quiet is that everyone in
 here has been using CF for such a long time they rarely have questions.
 but I'm sure many people see the messages come through etc

 On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Zac Spitzer zac.spit...@gmail.comwrote:

 do most people subscribe via email or use the web interface?


 On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Dale Fraser d...@fraser.id.auwrote:

  The kind of questions you have been posting are probably better
 placed on stack overflow.

 ** **

 You will get more answers and quicker, cfaussie is pretty dormant,
 most google groups are showing decline because of other sites such as 
 stack
 overflow.

 ** **

 Regards

 Dale Fraser

 ** **

 *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com]
 *On Behalf Of *rai...@ozemail.com.au
 *Sent:* Monday, 12 August 2013 12:34 PM
 *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* [cfaussie] CFAussie Posts Are Very Occasional

 ** **

 Hi

 ** **

 Wondering if this user group is still active as I seem to only
 receive the occasional post every now and then often nothing for over a
 week, in the past its been far more regular activity ??

 ** **

 Is there a more active user group that I am not aware of ???

 ** **

 ** **

 ** **

 Kind Regards

 ** **

 Claude Raiola

 SAMARIS Software

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Re: [cfaussie] CFAussie Posts Are Very Occasional

2013-08-13 Thread M@ Bourke
Symfony 2 isn't too bad a framework and PHP has come a long way, but its
still PHP lol
The last PHP one I went to at the google building in London they demo'd
Capistrano (a ruby product) :)

On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote:

 Oh, I don't begrudge you going to non CF user groups in the slightest...
 but a PHP one? ;) for shame sir, for shame ;)

 Sent from my mobile doohickey
 On 13/08/2013 7:11 PM, M@ Bourke m.electronic.at.sym...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I go to user groups of different languages (as many developers do), not
 just for the free food but also because they're usually in a pub lol.
 PHP community is generally much more up to date with the latest open
 source tools, you'll hear about many development/build/testing tools etc at
 least a year before they're ever mentioned in the CF community.
 I also attend the local, Python, Node and Javascript groups (I'd attend
 more but that's what my area is limited too), interesting thing is that at
 these groups 40% of the people attend the other groups.

 If anyone here only attends CF user groups I highly recommend attending
 other languages, they all use the same build tools, testing tools,
 development methodologies etc, so it's a good way of seeing demos of
 what'll appear in the CF scene a year or 2 down the line.

 It's also a good way to get the 90's mentality of You can develop faster
 in CF than other languages.

 It's an eye opener to go to a cf user group of 10 people then the next
 week to go to a PHP user group (not a conference) of 200 developers, most
 too young to have heard of CF.

 getting a little side tracked now.

 Matt
 ps: railo rocks



 On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.comwrote:

 M@ What are you doing at PHP usergroups? ;)

 I think you'll find some young developers are now circling back around
 to Erlang and Haskell (actually, not a joke)

 Mark




 On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 6:55 PM, M@ Bourke 
 m.electronic.at.sym...@gmail.com wrote:

 well that's quite obvious, go to any CF usergroup or conference etc and
 count how many developers there are under 25, then go to a PHP usergroup,
 CF the likely number will be zero, PHP it'll be around 60%


 On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Andrew Myers am2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Maybe it's a sign not many new folks are coming to cf?
 On 12/08/2013 6:48 PM, M@ Bourke m.electronic.at.sym...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I think one of the reasons this group is so quiet is that everyone in
 here has been using CF for such a long time they rarely have questions.
 but I'm sure many people see the messages come through etc

 On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Zac Spitzer 
 zac.spit...@gmail.comwrote:

 do most people subscribe via email or use the web interface?


 On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Dale Fraser d...@fraser.id.auwrote:

  The kind of questions you have been posting are probably better
 placed on stack overflow.

 ** **

 You will get more answers and quicker, cfaussie is pretty dormant,
 most google groups are showing decline because of other sites such as 
 stack
 overflow.

 ** **

 Regards

 Dale Fraser

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 *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* [cfaussie] CFAussie Posts Are Very Occasional

 ** **

 Hi

 ** **

 Wondering if this user group is still active as I seem to only
 receive the occasional post every now and then often nothing for over a
 week, in the past its been far more regular activity ??

 ** **

 Is there a more active user group that I am not aware of ???

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 Kind Regards

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 Claude Raiola

 SAMARIS Software

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Re: [cfaussie] CFAussie Posts Are Very Occasional

2013-08-13 Thread Robin Hilliard
On 13/08/2013, at 5:25 PM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think you'll find some young developers are now circling back around to 
 Erlang and Haskell (actually, not a joke)

All the really hep cool young developer types use Erlang daddy-o (actually a 
joke, but I do host the user group)

http://www.meetup.com/Sydney-Erlang-User-Group/

 



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Re: [cfaussie] CFAussie Posts Are Very Occasional

2013-08-13 Thread Gavin Baumanis



 I think you'll find some young developers are now circling back around to 
 Erlang and Haskell (actually, not a joke)

 Mark


Scala for the win..
All the good bits of Java - and the functional programming of haskell, all 
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Re: [cfaussie] CFAussie Posts Are Very Occasional

2013-08-13 Thread Mark Mandel
You doing some Scala at the moment Gavin?

Mark


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 I think you'll find some young developers are now circling back around to
 Erlang and Haskell (actually, not a joke)

 Mark


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[cfaussie] CF Editors on Windows RT?

2013-08-13 Thread Mark Picker
Hi,
 
Just wondering if anyone had suggestions for a code editor to use on 
Windows RT? Ideally be able to load CF dictionaries but not a must have.
 
I've had a bit of a play with Notepad RT and CodePlus but wondering if 
anyone had experiences with others.
 
Cheers
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Re: [cfaussie] CF Editors on Windows RT?

2013-08-13 Thread Zac Spitzer
sublime?


On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Mark Picker mark.pic...@det.nsw.edu.auwrote:

 Hi,

 Just wondering if anyone had suggestions for a code editor to use on
 Windows RT? Ideally be able to load CF dictionaries but not a must have.

 I've had a bit of a play with Notepad RT and CodePlus but wondering if
 anyone had experiences with others.

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Re: [cfaussie] CF Editors on Windows RT?

2013-08-13 Thread Mark Picker
I didn't think it was available for RT? I'll go have another look, thanks.
 
Cheers
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Re: [cfaussie] CF Editors on Windows RT?

2013-08-13 Thread Zac Spitzer
oh, right... all the new bizarre windows versions are more confusing than a
Hockey presser
followed by an Abbott presser followed by a Robb Presser all on the same
topic!




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Re: [cfaussie] CF Editors on Windows RT?

2013-08-13 Thread Mark Picker
LOL :) Yeah.
 
I do also have a tablet with Windows 8 Pro on it but was hoping to take the 
RT with me for the next few daysbut looks like I'll have to take the 
crap Dell tablet instead.  
 
Thanks anyway!

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