Re: [freenet-chat] Legal vulnerabilities (was: JRE License)
I hope very much that some judge with morals and integrity can fix the whole thing some day in the future. Could take a while, especially with Jnr appointing a whole swarm of right-wing judges. - Original Message - From: Aaron P Ingebrigtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] Legal vulnerabilities (was: JRE License) On Wed, 2 May 2001 14:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Mark J. Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 2 May 2001, Aaron P Ingebrigtsen wrote: Forceing stupid people to not do stupid things isn't going to work. Forcing people to do what some bigshot thinks is smart isn't going to work either. Just leave everyone alone!! And you supported Nader? I have a very poor memory, I can't remember much of anything about Nader and I don't know if his site is still up. If he is trying to force people to do things, or not do things, when they aren't hurting anyone else, or the environment, but I guess I don't support him. But I sure as HELL don't support Bush!! I could KILL the SOB if I had the ability and lack of morals required for murder. This is total crap. This is a kangaroo court and this guy is getting railroaded!!! I am very angry about this, as you can see. You must have some strong beliefs about judicial integrity to lash out at a thought experiment. ;p I have strong beliefs about the integrity of ALL authority figures. The judicial branch can be corrupted, and I believe that it has been, at least partialy. If that was just a thought experiment, fine, but you know where I stand on that subject. The burden of proof is on the accuser not the accused. The accused is NOT required to proove his or her case. But if it is a real case, then I hope very much that some judge with morals and integrity can fix the whole thing some day in the future. GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Hammity ham ham
Leo Howell wrote on 5/6/01 2:25 am: Sounds a promising system though - I can't see how discharging energy into the ground could be objected to by even the wierdest government. And if governments worked on logic, I would agree. But these days, nothing seems too shocking. Timm Murray --- Theory is when you know how it works, but fails. Practice is when something works, but you don't know why. Here, Theory and Practice come together. Nothing works, and nobody knows why. ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Best flavour of Linux?
David McNab wrote on 5/6/01 3:19 pm: Can someone please recommend the best Linux or Linuces for Freenet, and in general. (intel platform). Debian. Not the easiest for initial setup, but you'll thank yourself later because your problems with package dependencies are greatly reduced. (I tried installing Mandrake 8.0, but it's got some serious gaps - I sense I could be hacking the kernel for months to get all my devices recognised). I don't know about 8.0, but 7.2 was the most broken distro I've seen. It did have good driver support, though. Timm Murray --- Theory is when you know how it works, but fails. Practice is when something works, but you don't know why. Here, Theory and Practice come together. Nothing works, and nobody knows why. ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Remuneration for artists via Freenet...etc.
David McNab wrote on 5/6/01 4:23 pm: Considering: Done! Results: fuckem! These posts are on public record and could be admissible in court. Which is as good a reason for censorship as any. Timm Murray --- Theory is when you know how it works, but fails. Practice is when something works, but you don't know why. Here, Theory and Practice come together. Nothing works, and nobody knows why. ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Security - Legal Precaution
I tried to create a 100mb PGP disk, and everything went fine up until the actual mounting of the file as a drive. The whole PC keeps freezing up and won't let me to anything at all. I have to keep turning off my PC and turning it on again. I only have a Pentium 150 mhz with 32megs ram. What can I do? How large of a file can I create and actualy mount? Oh yeah, and KSK isn't secure, someone should insert a new key under an SSK. :) And I am absolutely bursting at the seams to talk about these two books by Christopher Stasheff. I GOTTA get it out of my system. So, this is just a notice that I will be posting the info and stuff on freenet and then talking about it in a message or two soon. :) On Thu, 3 May 2001 17:18:10 +1200 "David McNab" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all, After my flight of paranoia, I've put my whole Freenet data store on an encrypted PGP disk. This means that if my PC is powered down (eg in the course of being confiscated), there'll be no way of accessing the Freenet datastore without a valid passphrase - not even with valid Freenet keys. I'd advise all freenet node operators to take similar security precautions. Windows users might be interested in using PGP disk, which makes it stupidly easy to create an encrypted virtual drive as a file on disk. I was fortunate to locate a copy of the 'FULL' export-restricted PGP software on Freenet, via the key freenet:KSK@software/windows/pgp-full.zip(or http://127.0.0.1:8081/KSK@software/windows/pgp-full.zip) David
Re: [freenet-chat] Legal vulnerabilities (was: JRE License)
On Wed, 9 May 2001 19:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Mark J. Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 9 May 2001, Aaron P Ingebrigtsen wrote: If he is trying to force people to do things, or not do things, when they aren't hurting anyone else, or the environment, but I guess I don't support him. But I sure as HELL don't support Bush!! I could KILL the SOB if I had the ability and lack of morals required for murder. Is killing someone always wrong? Nope. Killing is right when it is in self defense or self defense by proxy. In other words, it is OK to kill someone who is trying to kill you or is trying to kill someone that you care about. If lethal force is not being threatened, then you cannot apply lethal force yourself. Bush is about to cross the line with his activities. Soon he may actualy hurt some or many americans, maybe even kill them. If he does, then he should be punished to the full extent of the law. And if the law won't do a damn thing, then the citizens of this country have a duty to take up arms and solve the crisis themselves. I sincerely hope that Bush doesn't push things that far, but if he does, I will be one of the supporters of any action taken by the justice system, or the citizens, to stop Bush from doing any further damage. And if Bush want's to take that as a threat, so be it. If the only way to stop Bush from hurting or killing innocent people is for me to kill him myself, I'll try to find a way. Even though I hope it never ever comes to that. GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] Which is why . . .
Which is why it takes supreme courage, staminaand dedication to stand up and fight for human rights and democracy. Censorship never works, whatever the reasons for imposing it. People just turn a blind eye. Just like guns and the 2nd Ammendment to the Charleton Heston. His is just an act anyway. He isn't for real. Shoot'em up. And let's get that McVeigh dude on the web. We all paid for it, we should get to watch. Either that, or copy cat. BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Bennett;Stephen FN:Stephen Bennett EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20010510T183012Z END:VCARD
Re: [freenet-chat] Legal vulnerabilities (was: JRE License)
- Original Message - From: Aaron P Ingebrigtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] Legal vulnerabilities (was: JRE License) On Wed, 2 May 2001 14:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Mark J. Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 2 May 2001, Aaron P Ingebrigtsen wrote: Forceing stupid people to not do stupid things isn't going to work. Forcing people to do what some bigshot thinks is smart isn't going to work either. Just leave everyone alone!! And you supported Nader? I have a very poor memory, I can't remember much of anything about Nader and I don't know if his site is still up. If he is trying to force people to do things, or not do things, when they aren't hurting anyone else, or the environment, but I guess I don't support him. But I sure as HELL don't support Bush!! I could KILL the SOB if I had the ability and lack of morals required for murder. Congradulations! You just got on the Secret Service's Special List. Welcome to the club. Timm Murray Life is like a perl script: Really short and messy. ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] getting freenet running on linux
Hi, it seems you have to insert yout're running freenet on port 1035. Try this ./freenet_insert -serverAddress tcp/127.0.0.1:1035 freenet:KSK@bush-protest -serverAddress tcp/127.0.0.1:1035 You should also create the file .freenetrc . mak At 21:34 9.5.2001 -0500, you wrote: I've got the most recent freenet release. I'm running redhat 6.2 and Kaffe. The process list indicates the server is running. Any ideas about what might be wrong with the configuration? rick [root@www Freenet]# ./freenet_insert freenet:KSK@bush-protest bush_protest.jpg + java Freenet.client.InsertClient freenet:KSK@bush-protest bush_protest.jpg Freenet Core running on 1035 (build 391) Freenet.ConnectFailedException: Freenet.ConnectException: java.io.IOException: Connection refused when attempting to connect to tcp/127.0.0.1:19114 at java.lang.Throwable.init(Throwable.java:38) at java.lang.Exception.init(Exception.java:24) at Freenet.ConnectFailedException.init(ConnectFailedException.java:line unknown, pc 0x84f0b1b) at Freenet.Core.connect(Core.java:line unknown, pc 0x84f6230) at Freenet.Core.makeConnection(Core.java:line unknown, pc 0x84f547f) at Freenet.client.FNPClient$BInstance.prepare(FNPClient.java:line unknown, pc 0x84f5134) at Freenet.client.FNPClient$BInsertInstance.prepare(FNPClient.java:line unknown, pc 0x841bc04) at Freenet.client.FNPClient$BInstance.run(FNPClient.java:line unknown, pc 0x840981c) at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:314) A fatal exception occured while processing: Freenet.ConnectFailedException: Freenet.ConnectException: java.io.IOException: Connection refused when attempting to connect to tcp/127.0.0.1:19114 State FAILED reached. Encountered the following exceptions while trying to Insert: Freenet.ConnectFailedException: Freenet.ConnectException: java.io.IOException: Connection refused when attempting to connect to tcp/127.0.0.1:19114 at java.lang.Throwable.init(Throwable.java:38) at java.lang.Exception.init(Exception.java:24) at Freenet.ConnectFailedException.init(ConnectFailedException.java:line unknown, pc 0x84f0b1b) at Freenet.Core.connect(Core.java:line unknown, pc 0x84f6230) at Freenet.Core.makeConnection(Core.java:line unknown, pc 0x84f547f) at Freenet.client.FNPClient$BInstance.prepare(FNPClient.java:line unknown, pc 0x84f5134) at Freenet.client.FNPClient$BInsertInstance.prepare(FNPClient.java:line unknown, pc 0x841bc04) at Freenet.client.FNPClient$BInstance.run(FNPClient.java:line unknown, pc 0x840981c) at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:314) Generic exception: null [root@www Freenet]# ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Remuneration for artists via Freenet...etc.
These posts are on public record and could be admissible in court. Which is as good a reason for censorship as any. Huh??!?!? - Original Message - From: Timm Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] Remuneration for artists via Freenet...etc. David McNab wrote on 5/6/01 4:23 pm: Considering: Done! Results: fuckem! These posts are on public record and could be admissible in court. Which is as good a reason for censorship as any. Timm Murray --- Theory is when you know how it works, but fails. Practice is when something works, but you don't know why. Here, Theory and Practice come together. Nothing works, and nobody knows why. ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] getting freenet running on linux
On 5/10/01 2:49 PM, Mak Sim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it seems you have to insert yout're running freenet on port 1035. Try this ./freenet_insert -serverAddress tcp/127.0.0.1:1035 freenet:KSK@bush-protest -serverAddress tcp/127.0.0.1:1035 You should also create the file .freenetrc . i do have a .freenetrc file and it specifies 19114 as the port number. i have noticed that freenet_server only seems to be reading the .freenetrc doc when i execute it from the /Freenet directory. Otherwise i get .freeenet directories created in whatever working directory i execute it from and the subdir inside is 0. is there a way i can execute ./freenet_server in an arbitrary directory and force it to use the existing .freenetrc and .freenet directory as the datastore? r mak At 21:34 9.5.2001 -0500, you wrote: I've got the most recent freenet release. I'm running redhat 6.2 and Kaffe. The process list indicates the server is running. Any ideas about what might be wrong with the configuration? rick [root@www Freenet]# ./freenet_insert freenet:KSK@bush-protest bush_protest.jpg + java Freenet.client.InsertClient freenet:KSK@bush-protest bush_protest.jpg Freenet Core running on 1035 (build 391) Freenet.ConnectFailedException: Freenet.ConnectException: java.io.IOException: Connection refused when attempting to connect to tcp/127.0.0.1:19114 at java.lang.Throwable.init(Throwable.java:38) at java.lang.Exception.init(Exception.java:24) at Freenet.ConnectFailedException.init(ConnectFailedException.java:line unknown, pc 0x84f0b1b) at Freenet.Core.connect(Core.java:line unknown, pc 0x84f6230) at Freenet.Core.makeConnection(Core.java:line unknown, pc 0x84f547f) at Freenet.client.FNPClient$BInstance.prepare(FNPClient.java:line unknown, pc 0x84f5134) at Freenet.client.FNPClient$BInsertInstance.prepare(FNPClient.java:line unknown, pc 0x841bc04) at Freenet.client.FNPClient$BInstance.run(FNPClient.java:line unknown, pc 0x840981c) at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:314) A fatal exception occured while processing: Freenet.ConnectFailedException: Freenet.ConnectException: java.io.IOException: Connection refused when attempting to connect to tcp/127.0.0.1:19114 State FAILED reached. Encountered the following exceptions while trying to Insert: Freenet.ConnectFailedException: Freenet.ConnectException: java.io.IOException: Connection refused when attempting to connect to tcp/127.0.0.1:19114 at java.lang.Throwable.init(Throwable.java:38) at java.lang.Exception.init(Exception.java:24) at Freenet.ConnectFailedException.init(ConnectFailedException.java:line unknown, pc 0x84f0b1b) at Freenet.Core.connect(Core.java:line unknown, pc 0x84f6230) at Freenet.Core.makeConnection(Core.java:line unknown, pc 0x84f547f) at Freenet.client.FNPClient$BInstance.prepare(FNPClient.java:line unknown, pc 0x84f5134) at Freenet.client.FNPClient$BInsertInstance.prepare(FNPClient.java:line unknown, pc 0x841bc04) at Freenet.client.FNPClient$BInstance.run(FNPClient.java:line unknown, pc 0x840981c) at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:314) Generic exception: null [root@www Freenet]# ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] getting freenet running on linux
One easy way - in your Freenet installation on Linux, create a bash script called 'fserve' in /usr/bin (or some other directory listed in your PATH variable), containing: # change this path to where you've put Freenet cd /usr/local/bin/Freenet # launch the freenet server ./freenet_server You can even create a KDE/Gnome desktop icon to launch it if you want. (Freenet seems to come into trouble if it's launched before the network connection is opened). David - Original Message - From: Rick Dietz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] getting freenet running on linux On 5/10/01 2:49 PM, Mak Sim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it seems you have to insert yout're running freenet on port 1035. Try this ./freenet_insert -serverAddress tcp/127.0.0.1:1035 freenet:KSK@bush-protest -serverAddress tcp/127.0.0.1:1035 You should also create the file .freenetrc . i do have a .freenetrc file and it specifies 19114 as the port number. i have noticed that freenet_server only seems to be reading the .freenetrc doc when i execute it from the /Freenet directory. Otherwise i get .freeenet directories created in whatever working directory i execute it from and the subdir inside is 0. is there a way i can execute ./freenet_server in an arbitrary directory and force it to use the existing .freenetrc and .freenet directory as the datastore? r mak At 21:34 9.5.2001 -0500, you wrote: I've got the most recent freenet release. I'm running redhat 6.2 and Kaffe. The process list indicates the server is running. Any ideas about what might be wrong with the configuration? rick [root@www Freenet]# ./freenet_insert freenet:KSK@bush-protest bush_protest.jpg + java Freenet.client.InsertClient freenet:KSK@bush-protest bush_protest.jpg Freenet Core running on 1035 (build 391) Freenet.ConnectFailedException: Freenet.ConnectException: java.io.IOException: Connection refused when attempting to connect to tcp/127.0.0.1:19114 at java.lang.Throwable.init(Throwable.java:38) at java.lang.Exception.init(Exception.java:24) at Freenet.ConnectFailedException.init(ConnectFailedException.java:line unknown, pc 0x84f0b1b) at Freenet.Core.connect(Core.java:line unknown, pc 0x84f6230) at Freenet.Core.makeConnection(Core.java:line unknown, pc 0x84f547f) at Freenet.client.FNPClient$BInstance.prepare(FNPClient.java:line unknown, pc 0x84f5134) at Freenet.client.FNPClient$BInsertInstance.prepare(FNPClient.java:line unknown, pc 0x841bc04) at Freenet.client.FNPClient$BInstance.run(FNPClient.java:line unknown, pc 0x840981c) at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:314) A fatal exception occured while processing: Freenet.ConnectFailedException: Freenet.ConnectException: java.io.IOException: Connection refused when attempting to connect to tcp/127.0.0.1:19114 State FAILED reached. Encountered the following exceptions while trying to Insert: Freenet.ConnectFailedException: Freenet.ConnectException: java.io.IOException: Connection refused when attempting to connect to tcp/127.0.0.1:19114 at java.lang.Throwable.init(Throwable.java:38) at java.lang.Exception.init(Exception.java:24) at Freenet.ConnectFailedException.init(ConnectFailedException.java:line unknown, pc 0x84f0b1b) at Freenet.Core.connect(Core.java:line unknown, pc 0x84f6230) at Freenet.Core.makeConnection(Core.java:line unknown, pc 0x84f547f) at Freenet.client.FNPClient$BInstance.prepare(FNPClient.java:line unknown, pc 0x84f5134) at Freenet.client.FNPClient$BInsertInstance.prepare(FNPClient.java:line unknown, pc 0x841bc04) at Freenet.client.FNPClient$BInstance.run(FNPClient.java:line unknown, pc 0x840981c) at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:314) Generic exception: null [root@www Freenet]# ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] David and Aaron!
ATTENTION: David McNab and Aaron P Ingebrigtsen Do freenetproject.org a favor and keep your pirate warez chit chat OFF this list. Don't post links to pirated software here. Here is David McNab advising node operators to 'take precautions', and in the next sentence he's giving out a link to pirated software on a public mailing list. Brilliant. Any other sage security advice? I tried to create a 100mb PGP disk, and everything went fine up until the actual mounting of the file as a drive. The whole PC keeps freezing up and won't let me to anything at all. I have to keep turning off my PC and turning it on again. I only have a Pentium 150 mhz with 32megs ram. What can I do? How large of a file can I create and actualy mount? Oh yeah, and KSK isn't secure, someone should insert a new key under an SSK. :) And I am absolutely bursting at the seams to talk about these two books by Christopher Stasheff. I GOTTA get it out of my system. So, this is just a notice that I will be posting the info and stuff on freenet and then talking about it in a message or two soon. :) On Thu, 3 May 2001 17:18:10 +1200 David McNab [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all, After my flight of paranoia, I've put my whole Freenet data store on an encrypted PGP disk. This means that if my PC is powered down (eg in the course of being confiscated), there'll be no way of accessing the Freenet datastore without a valid passphrase - not even with valid Freenet keys. I'd advise all freenet node operators to take similar security precautions. Windows users might be interested in using PGP disk, which makes it stupidly easy to create an encrypted virtual drive as a file on disk. I was fortunate to locate a copy of the 'FULL' export-restricted PGP software on Freenet, via the key freenet:KSK@software/windows/pgp-full.zip (or http://127.0.0.1:8081/KSK@software/windows/pgp-full.zip) David -- FREE ANONYMOUS EMAIL! Sign up now. http://www.subdimension.com/freemail ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Legal vulnerabilities (was: JRE License)
Aaron P Ingebrigtsen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Bush is about to cross the line with his activities. Soon he may actualy hurt some or many americans, maybe even kill them. In what way would this be new? The US government kills its citizens all the time, many of them in the name of the War on Drugs. Since this War is being carried out by the agencies of the executive branch, the president is responsible for it. (And don't even think for a moment that it's acceptable because the people who are murdered are just drug users. Many of the people killed weren't even drug users; they were innocent people who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. You can find several incidents with a properly worded web search -- the first one I stumbled across was the death of Patrick Dorismond, http://www.cato.org/dailys/04-07-00.html.) http://www.stopthedrugwar.org/ http://www.drcnet.org/ http://www.cato.org/ -- Greg Wooledge | Truth belongs to everybody. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- The Red Hot Chili Peppers http://wooledge.org/~greg/ | PGP signature
Re: [freenet-chat] Legal vulnerabilities (was: JRE License)
On Thu, 10 May 2001, Aaron P Ingebrigtsen wrote: On Wed, 9 May 2001 19:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Mark J. Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 9 May 2001, Aaron P Ingebrigtsen wrote: If he is trying to force people to do things, or not do things, when they aren't hurting anyone else, or the environment, but I guess I don't support him. But I sure as HELL don't support Bush!! I could KILL the SOB if I had the ability and lack of morals required for murder. Is killing someone always wrong? Nope. Killing is right when it is in self defense or self defense by proxy. In other words, it is OK to kill someone who is trying to kill you or is trying to kill someone that you care about. If lethal force is not being threatened, then you cannot apply lethal force yourself. Bush is about to cross the line with his activities. Soon he may actualy hurt some or many americans, maybe even kill them. If he does, then he should be punished to the full extent of the law. And if the law won't do a damn thing, then the citizens of this country have a duty to take up arms and solve the crisis themselves. What exactly is Bush doing that's going to kill so many people? -- ____ / ) / ) /--/ __. __ / / __. , __o _ _ / (_(_/|_/ (_(_) / / _ /__/_(_/|_\/ __/_/_)_ ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
