Re: [freenet-chat] Interesting post on /.

2001-09-17 Thread Mr. Smith

--- Stefan Reich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Question: would you be willing
 to trade your personal privacy for maybe some
 further measure of security
 from terrorists? Would you grant the people running
 Carnivore greater rights
 into your life in order to perhaps prevent more
 events like this? Is the
 encryption export ban such a bad thing when stacked
 against 50,000 people's
 lives?

Unfortunately it doesn't work that way.  Just as gun
control usually only helps keep guns away from honest
citizens, encryption control would only allow the
government to monitor people who use standard
encryption packages.

You'd have to be a pretty stupid terrorist to use an
encryption protocol that you knew the government had a
back door to.  When there are so many that don't have
a back door available from your nearest encryption
textbook, why use one that has a gaping hole in it.

As somebody else pointed out, it's not even necessary
to use encryption, when you can hide messages in
pre-arranged code words.

So to summarize, allowing the government to tap into
my communications will only catch terrorists without
any brains while significantly reducing my ability to
have privacy from the government.

Now if the hypothetical government monitoring could
actually help catch terrorists then I'd be in more of
a moral quandry.  While the famous saying He who
trades freedom for safety deserved neither comes to
mind, lack of privacy isn't necessarily lack of
freedom.  I would probably still object just on the
principle (I don't believe the government has any
business poking into my business), I don't really want
terrorists to be able to kill 5000 people in a fell swoop.

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Re: [freenet-chat] Interesting post on /.

2001-09-17 Thread g'o'tz ohnesorge

Mr. Smith wrote:

 Now if the hypothetical government monitoring could
 actually help catch terrorists then I'd be in more of
 a moral quandry.  While the famous saying He who
 trades freedom for safety deserved neither comes to
 mind, lack of privacy isn't necessarily lack of
 freedom.  I would probably still object just on the
 principle (I don't believe the government has any
 business poking into my business), I don't really want
 terrorists to be able to kill 5000 people in a fell swoop.

The suspects all had a frigging nothing on their crminal histories. There
was no chance ever to find anything on them before this one thing.

You also can't jail or otherhow sort out people who like planes and
flying, own flight simulator programs, books about flying, and travel to
an airport for plane spotting, or maybe making a flight themselves -
there's millions who do that. All you'll find from tracking all
communications about flight simulators and air travel is all these
people, all of them perfectly law-abyding.

But there was a way how even the single-cell brained CIA could have had
human access to the Taliban and to bin Laden : Massood, dead since
yesterday leader of Afghanistan's Northern Alliance (and as much as I can
tell from documentation, politically moderate and about as Muslim as
Clinton is Christian), has a secret service running that know and do
their dan job, and bloody well so - or they wouldn't manage to exist
against a Taliban that's been financed 43 million $ from the
 US three
months ago to combat opium growing (at the expense of the local farmers
finally starving to death) and holds 90% of the country, for many years
already, and after doing same with ten years occupation by the Soviet
Union's largest army of the world with an endless supply the biggest
tanks and combat helicopters.

Had they asked, they'd have gotten the hints they need out of that place.
Or out of Massood's back channels in the former Soviet republic of
Tadjikistan. But nooo, doing economic spying against Western Europe and
Japan via satellite tapping is so much more rewarding.




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