Re: [freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer
On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 07:23:05PM -0400, Nick Tarleton wrote: > On Monday 23 August 2004 04:05 pm, Ian Clarke wrote: > > On 23 Aug 2004, at 19:16, Nick Tarleton wrote: > > > I'm contemplating writing a FUQID-like program for Linux/KDE, and I'd > > > like to know a couple of answers first: > > > > > > 1. Is there ANY CHANCE AT ALL that I could get in legal trouble, under > > > current US law, for creating and publishing a Freenet client? > > > > In short "yes", just as the answer to "Is there ANY CHANCE AT ALL that > > I could get struck by lightening?" would also be "yes". Could you get > > sued? Yes. Could they win the suit? Maybe, but the recent 9th > > Circuit Court ruling in the Grokster case makes this less likely. > > > > The best advice I can give is to read this: > > > >http://www.eff.org/IP/P2P/p2p_copyright_wp.php > > Uh, never mind. It seems I would have no plausible deniability, as everyone > knows a lot (most?) of the large file traffic on Freenet is in violation of > copyright. Even if this would never hold up in court, I don't want to risk > even getting a lawsuit threat/C&D letter. Everyone knows most of the files shared by Grokster users were illegal. Right? But they won the case! So the situation is clearly not that simple. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.general
Re: [freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24 Aug 2004, at 00:23, Nick Tarleton wrote: On Monday 23 August 2004 04:05 pm, Ian Clarke wrote: On 23 Aug 2004, at 19:16, Nick Tarleton wrote: I'm contemplating writing a FUQID-like program for Linux/KDE, and I'd like to know a couple of answers first: 1. Is there ANY CHANCE AT ALL that I could get in legal trouble, under current US law, for creating and publishing a Freenet client? In short "yes", just as the answer to "Is there ANY CHANCE AT ALL that I could get struck by lightening?" would also be "yes". Could you get sued? Yes. Could they win the suit? Maybe, but the recent 9th Circuit Court ruling in the Grokster case makes this less likely. The best advice I can give is to read this: http://www.eff.org/IP/P2P/p2p_copyright_wp.php Uh, never mind. It seems I would have no plausible deniability, as everyone knows a lot (most?) of the large file traffic on Freenet is in violation of copyright. You might have, but you certainly don't after saying that on a public mailing list. Even if this would never hold up in court, I don't want to risk even getting a lawsuit threat/C&D letter. I hate to say it, but if you are that timid then I suggest you run a mile from Freenet and anything like it. (BTW, I don't think the INDUCE Act will ever pass, and if it did, it wouldn't last long - can you imagine what The Public would think if MP3 player makers - big companies, not Jon Johansens - were hauled to court en masse?) Unfortunately the real damage of the Induce Act would likely occur during private meetings between entrepreneurs and their potential investors, rather than in public court proceedings. It won't be easy for the public to see that they have been denied the next iPod if they never knew that it might have existed in the first place. Ian. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFBKoX9QtgxRWSmsqwRAj5uAJ9dI8ys2M6nTc822t49H3OLlmKFEACfbm94 2LVPYi6MpolnwQN29Jk9f3o= =G66h -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.general
Re: [freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer
On Monday 23 August 2004 04:05 pm, Ian Clarke wrote: > On 23 Aug 2004, at 19:16, Nick Tarleton wrote: > > I'm contemplating writing a FUQID-like program for Linux/KDE, and I'd > > like to know a couple of answers first: > > > > 1. Is there ANY CHANCE AT ALL that I could get in legal trouble, under > > current US law, for creating and publishing a Freenet client? > > In short "yes", just as the answer to "Is there ANY CHANCE AT ALL that > I could get struck by lightening?" would also be "yes". Could you get > sued? Yes. Could they win the suit? Maybe, but the recent 9th > Circuit Court ruling in the Grokster case makes this less likely. > > The best advice I can give is to read this: > >http://www.eff.org/IP/P2P/p2p_copyright_wp.php Uh, never mind. It seems I would have no plausible deniability, as everyone knows a lot (most?) of the large file traffic on Freenet is in violation of copyright. Even if this would never hold up in court, I don't want to risk even getting a lawsuit threat/C&D letter. (BTW, I don't think the INDUCE Act will ever pass, and if it did, it wouldn't last long - can you imagine what The Public would think if MP3 player makers - big companies, not Jon Johansens - were hauled to court en masse?) ___ chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.general
Re: [freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23 Aug 2004, at 19:16, Nick Tarleton wrote: I'm contemplating writing a FUQID-like program for Linux/KDE, and I'd like to know a couple of answers first: 1. Is there ANY CHANCE AT ALL that I could get in legal trouble, under current US law, for creating and publishing a Freenet client? In short "yes", just as the answer to "Is there ANY CHANCE AT ALL that I could get struck by lightening?" would also be "yes". Could you get sued? Yes. Could they win the suit? Maybe, but the recent 9th Circuit Court ruling in the Grokster case makes this less likely. The best advice I can give is to read this: http://www.eff.org/IP/P2P/p2p_copyright_wp.php Then, if you are *really* feeling enthusiastic, read the Grokster ruling: http://www.eff.org/IP/P2P/MGM_v_Grokster/ 20040819_mgm_v_grokster_decision.pdf And then, before you get too excited, read about the Induce Act: http://techlawadvisor.com/induce/ 2. Approximately how soon is the change to fixed-size keys expected? Approximately how much would this require changing in an existing client? You should direct this question to the development mailing list, Matthew is the person to answer it (he also reads this mailing list, but I suspect you will catch his attention more easily on devl, and this question is on-topic for that mailing list). Ian. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFBKk4KQtgxRWSmsqwRAp5BAJ9ZhCjp41ssKm8IAEM52PoAUKTGzgCfT01L spzUgeBzN5BJ59k3nMto9AA= =QCYb -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.general
[freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer
I'm contemplating writing a FUQID-like program for Linux/KDE, and I'd like to know a couple of answers first: 1. Is there ANY CHANCE AT ALL that I could get in legal trouble, under current US law, for creating and publishing a Freenet client? 2. Approximately how soon is the change to fixed-size keys expected? Approximately how much would this require changing in an existing client? ___ chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.general
[freenet-chat] [freenet-dev] acceptance of freenet - starting points
i think we have a large problem with the starting points/bookmarks that are used on standard installations. some of us are interessted to help promote freenet. In my case i have larger mailling lists and websites available to "advertise" for freenet or write about it. But how should any of my readers understand that on the frontpages are links that lead also towards childp...? While I understand it is only there to represent the complete uncensored idea and freedom of speech, noone thats not involved or new will not understand this the same way, and i also do not agree with this kind of freedom of speech. While warez and other illegal things are tolerated, this is not tolerated, even if i know the idea of freedom, i also do not tolerate it, ill find it highly offensive to myself and i do not want to get in contact with it What does freedom of speech mean? in the view to not censor it on the frontpages, freedom of speak is isolated to itself, but freedom of speach is only "part" of freedom. And me and the most people think, that freedom is the right to be as free as no others freedom gets destroyed. And we all know that the chil.. destroys not only the freedom, it destroys complete lifes. I cant and i will not accept that making links to this kind of freesites are made on the starting points, this is not freedom, this is making the good idea a bad thing. Anybody can publish anything on freenet, thats enough to enable the idea of free speach, there is no need to have starting points with all kind of offensive things. Every freesite can be published thru frost, there is this way to publish every freesite to other peoples and attract people to view this freesites. can we have a starting point, where the true ideas of freedom and not freedom of speach as itself is represented? sven ___ Devl mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl ___ chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.general
