Re: [freenet-chat] [freenet-dev] US government tries to bring back the Clipper Chip - on steroids
On Tuesday 28 September 2010 00:38:51 you wrote: On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote: One very bad thing about this, should it pass (which depends mostly on whether the Tea Party folk actually defend the constitution, which seems unlikely) I don't agree here - the teabaggers are a relatively small group of angry white economic conservatives who only really agree on the fact that they all hate Obama. They only get the air-time that they do because they make for good TV. The teabaggers didn't exist when the Clipper Chip was defeated in the 90s. You are going to have almost every technology company in the US up in arms about this, as they were with the Clipper Chip. They make up ALL of the new Senate candidates. and be upheld (which is a more plausible battleground) is that we are dependant on paypal. Even if we move outside the US, paypal would have to kick us, and nobody trusts any other service. Same would be true of Google Checkout; we might be able to get credit card handling from some non-US-based bank (like WorldPay), but it'd be expensive. I don't know if its necessarily true that we could no-longer use Paypal, but in any case I think this thing passing is actually quite a remote possibility. Plus once it happens in the US it will happen everywhere else... Combined with laws in Europe allowing blocking copyright infringing sites (xenu.net? wikileaks.org?), things could get very bad. Ultimately we can move development onto Freenet itself if it came to it, but I really think it is unlikely that it will. There are so many powerful groups that will be opposed to this. Hopefully you are right. And it will reinforce an important precedent - that restricting software is very dodgy in the US. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ chat mailing list chat@freenetproject.org Archived: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.general Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat Or mailto:chat-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-chat] [freenet-dev] US government tries to bring back the Clipper Chip - on steroids
On 09/28/2010 08:13 AM, Matthew Toseland wrote: Legislation will be introduced in the new year by the obama administration to (amongst other things) force peer to peer software developers to redesign their systems to allow intercept warrants to be serviced. snip The Tea Party scum use the constitution in their rhetoric but are unlikely to stand against intercept powers to beat terrorists etc. We scum of the TEA Party are concerned about *all* unconstitutional extensions of Federal power; in fact I learned about this legislation first from a TEA Party news alert. On Tuesday 28 September 2010 00:02:32 Ian Clarke wrote: I expected better from Obama's administration. Repeat after me, Four legs good, two legs bad. --Joel Salomon ___ chat mailing list chat@freenetproject.org Archived: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.general Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat Or mailto:chat-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-chat] [freenet-dev] US government tries to bring back the Clipper Chip - on steroids
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 1:57 PM, jdavie...@tx.rr.com wrote: Thanks for that, Joel. The Taxed Enough Already (TEA) party movement has been the unfortunate victim of a very successful smear campaign - partly because it's managed to attract a handful of the wrong sorts of people, but mostly because it's become a very real threat to the Washington establishment. We scum are Freenet's best hope - as you can see, the current, supposedly tech-savvy U.S. political administration hasn't lived up to your expectations. I certainly don't think the tea party are scum, I just think that a lot of libertarians, who think that the tea party is about libertarianism, are going to get a rude awakening once they get into power, just as they did when the Republicans took over the house and congress in the mid-90s. Also, a lot of their positions are contradictory. They claim they oppose the deficit, yet they want a tax cut for people who don't need it, paid for by increasing the deficit. They oppose spending, yet supported the Bush tax cuts and the Iraq war, which together dwarf the combined effect of the recovery measures, tarp, and the economic downturn, in terms of their impact on the deficit. Ian. -- Ian Clarke CEO, SenseArray Email: i...@sensearray.com Ph: +1 512 422 3588 ___ chat mailing list chat@freenetproject.org Archived: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.general Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat Or mailto:chat-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-chat] [freenet-dev] US government tries to bring back the Clipper Chip - on steroids
On Tuesday 28 September 2010 20:17:26 Ian Clarke wrote: On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 1:57 PM, jdavie...@tx.rr.com wrote: Thanks for that, Joel. The Taxed Enough Already (TEA) party movement has been the unfortunate victim of a very successful smear campaign - partly because it's managed to attract a handful of the wrong sorts of people, but mostly because it's become a very real threat to the Washington establishment. We scum are Freenet's best hope - as you can see, the current, supposedly tech-savvy U.S. political administration hasn't lived up to your expectations. I certainly don't think the tea party are scum, I just think that a lot of libertarians, who think that the tea party is about libertarianism, are going to get a rude awakening once they get into power, just as they did when the Republicans took over the house and congress in the mid-90s. Also, a lot of their positions are contradictory. They claim they oppose the deficit, yet they want a tax cut for people who don't need it, paid for by increasing the deficit. They oppose spending, yet supported the Bush tax cuts and the Iraq war, which together dwarf the combined effect of the recovery measures, tarp, and the economic downturn, in terms of their impact on the deficit. I am replying to the two tea party fans off-list since even on chat@ there is some expectation that content be vaguely Freenet-related. For the record, if I had originally written the mail for wide distribution I wouldn't have called the Tea Party scum, but that *is* what I believe, and I will justify this position off-list. (I might post it on my blog too). signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ chat mailing list chat@freenetproject.org Archived: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.general Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat Or mailto:chat-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-chat] [freenet-dev] US government tries to bring back the Clipper Chip - on steroids
Thanks for that, Joel. The Taxed Enough Already (TEA) party movement has been the unfortunate victim of a very successful smear campaign - partly because it's managed to attract a handful of the wrong sorts of people, but mostly because it's become a very real threat to the Washington establishment. We scum are Freenet's best hope - as you can see, the current, supposedly tech-savvy U.S. political administration hasn't lived up to your expectations. Joel C. Salomon joelcsalo...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/28/2010 08:13 AM, Matthew Toseland wrote: Legislation will be introduced in the new year by the obama administration to (amongst other things) force peer to peer software developers to redesign their systems to allow intercept warrants to be serviced. snip The Tea Party scum use the constitution in their rhetoric but are unlikely to stand against intercept powers to beat terrorists etc. We scum of the TEA Party are concerned about *all* unconstitutional extensions of Federal power; in fact I learned about this legislation first from a TEA Party news alert. On Tuesday 28 September 2010 00:02:32 Ian Clarke wrote: I expected better from Obama's administration. Repeat after me, Four legs good, two legs bad. --Joel Salomon ___ chat mailing list chat@freenetproject.org Archived: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.general Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat Or mailto:chat-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ chat mailing list chat@freenetproject.org Archived: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.general Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat Or mailto:chat-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
