Re: [freenet-chat] anarchists in america
From: "Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I would imagine they use the human kind.. afterall they have interns to > sort through the spam. :) You mean "sperm". *hereby applying for the worst joke of the day* ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
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I would imagine they use the human kind.. afterall they have interns to sort through the spam. :) > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Man, that mailbox must get umpteen quadzillion emails a day. I wonder what > filtering software they're using. ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
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On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 01:54:26PM +1300, David McNab wrote: > From: "Greg Wooledge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Man, that mailbox must get umpteen quadzillion emails a day. I wonder what > filtering software they're using. rm -- :: tavin cole ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) :: " ... there is a darkness. It is for everyone ... Only some Greeks and admirers of theirs, in their liquid noon, where the friendship of beauty to human things was perfect, thought they were clearly divided from this darkness. And these Greeks too were in it. But still they are the admiration of the rest of the mud-sprung, famine-knifed, street-pounding, war-rattled, difficult, painstaking, kicked in the belly, grief and cartilage mankind, the multitude, some under a coal-sucking Vesuvius of chaos smoke, some inside a heaving Calcutta midnight, who very well know where they are." - Saul Bellow ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From: "Greg Wooledge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Man, that mailbox must get umpteen quadzillion emails a day. I wonder what filtering software they're using. ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
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Michael ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [unattributed] > > I have it: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > It would be rather funny if we did know email addresses for > terrorists. Then we could write a mail filter that would send out all our > spam to those addresses. ;> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Greg Wooledge | "Truth belongs to everybody." [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- The Red Hot Chili Peppers http://wooledge.org/~greg/ | PGP signature
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> I have it: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Submit his email address to all those spam sites. Does he like hot young girls with dogs, need to grow his penis 6 inches, or want to know how to get rich quick? We can jam his whole network. Woo! It would be rather funny if we did know email addresses for terrorists. Then we could write a mail filter that would send out all our spam to those addresses. ;> ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
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Guten Tag David McNab, Am 2001-10-21 um 21:17 schriebst du: > On thinking about it, I understand his situation better. > In therapeutic circles, we call this phenomenon 'displacement'. > He doesn't have Usama bin Laden's email address, so he searches desperately > for a substitute on which to vent his outrage and pain of the Sep 11 > attacks. I have it: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ciao, Gerrit P. Haasemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- =^..^= ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From: "Adam Langley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 05:46:10PM -0700, martin chao wrote: > > You people actually believe the constitution gives you > > the right to distribute porn and other people's > > software. To quote you: "copyrights are a violation of > > People. There is no point trying to discuss things with someone like this. He > hasn't thought anything through and it just replying a lot of cultral memes. On thinking about it, I understand his situation better. In therapeutic circles, we call this phenomenon 'displacement'. He doesn't have Usama bin Laden's email address, so he searches desperately for a substitute on which to vent his outrage and pain of the Sep 11 attacks. David ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
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On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 05:46:10PM -0700, martin chao wrote: > You people actually believe the constitution gives you > the right to distribute porn and other people's > software. To quote you: "copyrights are a violation of People. There is no point trying to discuss things with someone like this. He hasn't thought anything through and it just replying a lot of cultral memes. AGL -- 90% of generation[x] will always think that generation[x+2] are too liberal. PGP signature
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> >Copyright and IP rights are legalized theft from the > >public of a idea or piece of work. > > So obtaining a few million of investment to create a > cure for a cancer, and patenting that cure in order to > ensure re-payment of that investment is theft from the > public? Even though that return on investment will > likely motivate others to invest in other cancer > projects? > > Perhaps you need to be a victim of cancer before you > respect biotech. Perhaps you need to be a poor victim of cancer, and then not be able to afford the medicine you need due to patents, before you see that IP is often evil. This is pretty much the situation in Africa, where HIV-ridden countries are violating patents from US companies so that their citizens don't die left and right. ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
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You are SO RIGHT! I give up my Freenet-loving ways and it's vvil hypocrisy. Copyrights are the only way people will ever make money, and of course the RIAA should be allowed to break into anybody's computer and delete anything they see fit. I REPENT, OH GREAT MARTIN CHAO!!! > Hello everyone. I'm writing a peer to peer paper for > school. This assignment has brought me to freenet. > Luckily our professor has allowed us a lot of leeway > with this assignment. Some of us are focusing on the > technologies, others are focusing on the social and > legal impact of the technologies. I began my paper > with a purely technical perspective, but after > studying freenet I've decided to change the focus to > political. I've spent a lot of time reading your email > archives. > > I must say, so far the freenet philosophy and some of > your people appear to be quite pathetic. Your form of > democracy appears to be anarchy. This group appears to > be a bunch of closet socialists / communists who hate > the american dream and any form of authority, yet you > represent democracy. > > You people actually believe the constitution gives you > the right to distribute porn and other people's > software. To quote you: "copyrights are a violation of > free speech." Yet you only offer a one paragraph > solution which states that fair use is your ideal > replacement. To say that copyrights should be > abolished, then to only specify a 1 paragraph > replacement, is a prime example of the ignorance of > this group. > > For a group whose goal is to respect and uphold > freedom of speech, you appear to actively discriminate > against those who don't share your twisted views. > Hipocricy, again. > > Yet Ian Clarke has started a company with the intent > to release commercial software. Wait a minute, I > thought open source was the right way? Another example > of hypocrisy. > > What are you going to do when your commercial software > is posted on freenet or gnutella, and you can't pay > the salaries of your programmers? > > This philosophy appears to support the distribution of > kiddie porn as a form of free speech. Perhaps when you > teenagers are old enough to have kids, and one of them > gets raped on camera, the film posted on the internet, > you will learn what type of reality we live in. > > From what I see, detailed instructions on how to > hijack airliners or conduct biological warfare is > protected under your "freedom of speech" philosophy. > > I have never seen such a glaring example of hypocrisy > and ignorant idealism in my life, and I can't wait to > see the courts shut down your warez/porn distribution > net. > > Perhaps you all can enlighten me by explaining the > merits of your three page philosophy to me in detail, > and please begin by explaining how fair use is the > ideal replacement. > > Thank you very much. > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com > > ___ > Chat mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat > ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
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Perhaps someone should contact the teacher who gave him this assignment and let them know about Martin's research methodology... > > I hope some of you are the victims of the next > > terrorist attacks. I actually hope some of YOU are Ian. PGP signature
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> > I hope some of you are the victims of the next > > terrorist attacks. I actually hope some of YOU are > > killed by them. > > Holy lord. And this is the same man who calls Freenet developers "pathetic." > I guess, in this kind of terminology, I would find no word strong enough to > describe our friend Martin himself. Quick somebody get me some Anthrax, I know the perfect person to mail it to. All his co-employees at Burger King would be glad to be rid of him. ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
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I now think we should legalize post-college abortions. It'd be a relief for his poor mother I'm sure. "All the best people in life seem to like LINUX." --Steve Wozniak *^*^*^* Michael McGlothlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://mlug.missouri.edu/~mogmios/projects/ On Sun, 21 Oct 2001, David McNab wrote: > From: "martin chao" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > I'm now unsubscribing from this list. Good bye and > > good riddens to you scum. > > I shudder to imagine what kind of childhood he had :( > > David > > > > > ___ > Chat mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat > ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
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On Sat, 20 Oct 2001 04:12:57 -0700 (PDT) "martin chao" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I hope some of you are the victims of the next > terrorist attacks. I actually hope some of YOU are > killed by them. Perhaps then the rest of you will wake > up and discover reality. Dont attempt to take the high moral ground on other issues when you speak this drivel. Let me guess, you ARENT a humanitarian. Glenn ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
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On Sat, 20 Oct 2001 04:24:25 -0700 (PDT) "martin chao" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Copyright and IP rights are legalized theft from the > >public of a idea or piece of work. > > So obtaining a few million of investment to create a > cure for a cancer, and patenting that cure in order to > ensure re-payment of that investment is theft from the > public? Even though that return on investment will > likely motivate others to invest in other cancer > projects? > > Perhaps you need to be a victim of cancer before you > respect biotech. > > Oh wait, let me guess, your philosophy only applies to > software, music, porn, and no other form of IP. Right? > If two seperate companies (nice corp. and evil corp.) bave been research a cure for cancer seperatly for say 10 years. Nice corp wants to make their discovery free for anyone to produce and use. Evil corp wants to restict production to only supply the richest 10% of sufferers. Say the evil corporation makes a breakthrough and beats good corp. by a few days (weeks whatever). The evil corporation will get exclusive use of the technology for what 25 years or something. Hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of people would die just to protect you and your buddies idea that preservation of wealth makes you a better person. Why cant the government restrict patents to situations where it can be shown to be in publics interest ? Do you realise that IP came about to benefit the public, to eliminate the benefit of corprations not disclosing there knowledge. Its not neccessarily the concept of IP that is flawed, tis the timeframe. If someone hasnt made there money back from a high tech industry with 12 months then they probably never will. So how does it benefit society to allow knowledge to be mismanaged. Glenn ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
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From: "martin chao" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I hope some of you are the victims of the next > terrorist attacks. I actually hope some of YOU are > killed by them. Holy lord. And this is the same man who calls Freenet developers "pathetic." I guess, in this kind of terminology, I would find no word strong enough to describe our friend Martin himself. -Stefan ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
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martin chao (Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 04:24:25AM -0700): > >Copyright and IP rights are legalized theft from the > >public of a idea or piece of work. > > So obtaining a few million of investment to create a > cure for a cancer, and patenting that cure in order to > ensure re-payment of that investment is theft from the > public? Even though that return on investment will > likely motivate others to invest in other cancer > projects? in 2 jears, 400.000 in south africa died on AIDS. most couldn't affort suitable medical help. oh well, it's their freedom to die and suffer. in 1998, nelson mandela signed a law that gives the victims of HIV better acces to medicine, violating patents. the big companies tried to stop the law. AFAIK, they succeded in Apr 2001. Does it help anyone, when there is a cure for cancer, when noone can afford it? as far as the company that did the research is concerned: and i'm sure some pharmazeutic companies are also non-tax-payers. if all thos big companies would pay taxes (they don't in DE), the gouverment would be able to give them financial reward for helping the people with that cure. > Perhaps you need to be a victim of cancer before you > respect biotech. > > Oh wait, let me guess, your philosophy only applies to > software, music, porn, and no other form of IP. Right? as far as i'm concerned: Wrong. i'd like to see such important areas of industry nationalized, so research is done for the people, not for the money. -- moritz Wer sich nicht bewegt spuert auch seine Ketten nicht. PGP signature
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From: "martin chao" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I'm now unsubscribing from this list. Good bye and > good riddens to you scum. I shudder to imagine what kind of childhood he had :( David ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
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>Copyright and IP rights are legalized theft from the >public of a idea or piece of work. So obtaining a few million of investment to create a cure for a cancer, and patenting that cure in order to ensure re-payment of that investment is theft from the public? Even though that return on investment will likely motivate others to invest in other cancer projects? Perhaps you need to be a victim of cancer before you respect biotech. Oh wait, let me guess, your philosophy only applies to software, music, porn, and no other form of IP. Right? --- Glenn McGrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 17:46:10 -0700 (PDT) > "martin chao" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > You people actually believe the constitution gives > you > > the right to distribute porn and other people's > > software. To quote you: "copyrights are a > violation of > > free speech." > > There are lots of constitutions in the world, which > one are you refering > to ? > > Copyright and IP rights are legalised theft from the > public of a idea or > piece of work. > > There _may_ be some cases where stealing ideas from > the public is good > for them.. depending on your values, but the laws as > they stand now are > an abusive against all free thinking people. > > Governments should empower the people, not impare > them. > > > Glenn > > ___ > Chat mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
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> Kiddie porn is free speach. I rest my case. So let me get this right. You developers actually support this shit? You believe freedom of speech allows you to rip off software and distribute kiddie porn? And I thought liberals had a problem with people who design nuclear bombs. How is this ANY different? You're helping people who support the right of terrorists to publish bomb making instructions. How pathetic. I hope some of you are the victims of the next terrorist attacks. I actually hope some of YOU are killed by them. Perhaps then the rest of you will wake up and discover reality. And to think that Ian is a foreigner living in america. What caused to you come to our country Ian? Were you escaping religious persecution in England? America could use less imported liberals like yourself. Go back to your own country if you have a problem with Americas laws, you fool. "for evil to succeed, good men need only to do nothing." Perhaps you should add that to your twisted philosophy, because you people sure seem bent on doing nothing. I'm now unsubscribing from this list. Good bye and good riddens to you scum. --- Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello everyone. I'm writing a peer to peer paper > for > > school. This assignment has brought me to freenet. > > Luckily our professor has allowed us a lot of > leeway > > with this assignment. Some of us are focusing on > the > > technologies, others are focusing on the social > and > > legal impact of the technologies. I began my paper > > with a purely technical perspective, but after > > studying freenet I've decided to change the focus > to > > political. I've spent a lot of time reading your > email > > archives. > > > > I must say, so far the freenet philosophy and some > of > > your people appear to be quite pathetic. Your form > of > > democracy appears to be anarchy. This group > appears to > > be a bunch of closet socialists / communists who > hate > > the american dream and any form of authority, yet > you > > represent democracy. > > Oh I'm very pathetic. ;> > > I actually believe in a form of government that is > democratic and a mesh > of the best values from both socialism and > capitalism. Not really related > to FreeNet so I shan't go into full details. > > I do think the American dream as defined by being > greedy and buying lots > of stuff I don't really need just to keep up with > the Jones is rather > stupid. If other people want to do it that's fine > but I like to leave my > life simple. > > And yes I believe in a minimalist government. I > don't pay them to tell me > what to do. I have my mother and my girlfriend for > that. Maybe even my > cat. > > > You people actually believe the constitution gives > you > > the right to distribute porn and other people's > > software. To quote you: "copyrights are a > violation of > > free speech." Yet you only offer a one paragraph > > solution which states that fair use is your ideal > > replacement. To say that copyrights should be > > abolished, then to only specify a 1 paragraph > > replacement, is a prime example of the ignorance > of > > this group. > > The constitution gives everyone the right to say as > they please. That > includes the right to draw pictures, work > mathmatical formulas, or sing a > song. To protect that basic and very vital freedom > sometimes peoples > feeling have to get hurt. Including porn, wares, > terrorist messages, and > anything else that might be a form of speach some > people would find > offensive. > > I don't know if copyrights should be abolished but > they should not be in > their current form which was bought and paid for by > corporations and is > very different from the design given to us by our > countries > founders. Copyrights should always end where free > speach begins > though. The right to communicate is more important > than to right to buy a > fancy car and a house. > > > For a group whose goal is to respect and uphold > > freedom of speech, you appear to actively > discriminate > > against those who don't share your twisted views. > > Hipocricy, again. > > Examples? > > > Yet Ian Clarke has started a company with the > intent > > to release commercial software. Wait a minute, I > > thought open source was the right way? Another > example > > of hypocrisy. > > *shrugs* I only use and write opensource software. > Ian Clarke can do as he > feels right. I really haven't paid any attention to > what software he may > be selling. There is nothing wrong with selling > opensourced software > though. > > > What are you going to do when your commercial > software > > is posted on freenet or gnutella, and you can't > pay > > the salaries of your programmers? > > Why do anything? It's a proven fact you can make a > profit off software > that is fully free. The majority of the worlds > software is customizations > of other software. Doing that customizations is > where the money is. > > > This philosophy appears to support the
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On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 17:46:10 -0700 (PDT) "martin chao" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You people actually believe the constitution gives you > the right to distribute porn and other people's > software. To quote you: "copyrights are a violation of > free speech." There are lots of constitutions in the world, which one are you refering to ? Copyright and IP rights are legalised theft from the public of a idea or piece of work. There _may_ be some cases where stealing ideas from the public is good for them.. depending on your values, but the laws as they stand now are an abusive against all free thinking people. Governments should empower the people, not impare them. Glenn ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
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On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:14:38 -0700 "coderman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You cannot control the flow of digital information in > large peer networks without totalitarion control over > every router/switch and fool proof identity at the > ISP. > > At one point it was illegal to sell alcohol. At one > point it was illegal for a black to sit in the front > of a bus. > > Laws are not a 'GREAT TRUTH' that must be obeyed > without question. They are human contructs tainted > by human flaws. > > Copyright in digital networks is a non issue. You > cannot control the flow of digital information in > peer networks. > > Peer networks are not about corporations or > governments. They are about individuals. The > corporations and governments will not like peer > networks because they invert traditional power > structures. > Very well said Glenn ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
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On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 05:46:10PM -0700, martin chao wrote: > I began my paper > with a purely technical perspective, but after > studying freenet I've decided to change the focus to > political. I suggest you stick to technical issues, your rhetorical skills clearly require much development. > I must say, so far the freenet philosophy and some of > your people appear to be quite pathetic. A tip for the future, if you are looking for a serious debate, starting an email with a childish insult is a very poor start. There are many people on this list that you could learn from, show them some respect. > Your form of democracy appears to be anarchy. If you think that, you clearly haven't been paying attention. > This group appears to > be a bunch of closet socialists / communists who hate > the american dream and any form of authority, yet you > represent democracy. Actually, disliking government control is a very capitalist idea, and is certainly not socialist or communist in the slightest. Do some research on the terms you use please. > You people actually believe the constitution gives you > the right to distribute porn and other people's > software. Well, we do believe that the constitution grants the right to distribute some forms of pornography, and so does the US Supreme court. > To quote you: "copyrights are a violation of > free speech." Yet you only offer a one paragraph > solution which states that fair use is your ideal > replacement. To say that copyrights should be > abolished, then to only specify a 1 paragraph > replacement, is a prime example of the ignorance of > this group. And which paragraph are you talking about? > For a group whose goal is to respect and uphold > freedom of speech, you appear to actively discriminate > against those who don't share your twisted views. > Hipocricy, again. I happily discriminate against the stupid, but not against everyone who disagrees with me. > Yet Ian Clarke has started a company with the intent > to release commercial software. Wait a minute, I > thought open source was the right way? Another example > of hypocrisy. Ah, I see, making money is against our philosophy. Prey tell what else is against our philosophy since you appear to be quite an expert on what we think... > This philosophy appears to support the distribution of > kiddie porn as a form of free speech. Perhaps when you > teenagers are old enough to have kids, and one of them > gets raped on camera, the film posted on the internet, > you will learn what type of reality we live in. Perhaps when your children are sent off to die in a war about which you know nothing, then you will learn something about our reality too. > >From what I see, detailed instructions on how to > hijack airliners or conduct biological warfare is > protected under your "freedom of speech" philosophy. Yes it is, are you suggesting that it be illegal to learn about biology or aircraft? I would hate to live in your world. > I have never seen such a glaring example of hypocrisy > and ignorant idealism in my life, and I can't wait to > see the courts shut down your warez/porn distribution > net. Hmmm, perhaps you should forget about writing about technical issues too. > Perhaps you all can enlighten me by explaining the > merits of your three page philosophy to me in detail, > and please begin by explaining how fair use is the > ideal replacement. Perhaps you should explain to me why I bothered responding to your rude and insulting email. Ian. PGP signature
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> Finally, I dont know where you got the idea that > all of us love child porn, or think copyright is > a violation of free speach. You are taking extreme > statements and applying them to a whole group. Ohhh yeah I love porn.. I watch Sailor Moon on the Cartoon Network every day to get my fill. Ever notice how they go all nude when changing into their Sailor selfs?! Doh. :P ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
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martin chao wrote: > > Perhaps you don't respect my freedom of speech? > > Don't worry, I've got all the research I need for > freenet. > > Funny how this is the only extreme philosophy in the > peer to peer arena. I wonder how successful it will > be? I'm sure corporations and service providers have a > lot of use for a technology which supports breaking > the law. > Do you work for the RIAA? MPAA? If extreme philosophy is the unhibited transfer of digital information, then there are numerous projects which fall under that category. You cannot control the flow of digital information in large peer networks without totalitarion control over every router/switch and fool proof identity at the ISP. At one point it was illegal to sell alcohol. At one point it was illegal for a black to sit in the front of a bus. Laws are not a 'GREAT TRUTH' that must be obeyed without question. They are human contructs tainted by human flaws. Copyright in digital networks is a non issue. You cannot control the flow of digital information in peer networks. Peer networks are not about corporations or governments. They are about individuals. The corporations and governments will not like peer networks because they invert traditional power structures. Finally, I dont know where you got the idea that all of us love child porn, or think copyright is a violation of free speach. You are taking extreme statements and applying them to a whole group. ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
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Perhaps you don't respect my freedom of speech? Don't worry, I've got all the research I need for freenet. Funny how this is the only extreme philosophy in the peer to peer arena. I wonder how successful it will be? I'm sure corporations and service providers have a lot of use for a technology which supports breaking the law. --- Jason Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Insult is no way to begin a discussion. I can only > assume you just want > to start a fight. > > I had a couple of responses to you concerning > Anarchism, free speech, > and how they all tie together in a free enterprise > (such as capitalism). > > But if you're going to be a dick about it, you can > say hello to my > killfile. > > *plonk* > > -- > fingerprint: 740F B8D9 DF20 362C F5BC CDE6 6923 > 5A48 7657 541F > lynx -source > http://www.ece.utexas.edu/~jhs/public_key.gpg | gpg > --import > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgp-signature __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
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Insult is no way to begin a discussion. I can only assume you just want to start a fight. I had a couple of responses to you concerning Anarchism, free speech, and how they all tie together in a free enterprise (such as capitalism). But if you're going to be a dick about it, you can say hello to my killfile. *plonk* -- fingerprint: 740F B8D9 DF20 362C F5BC CDE6 6923 5A48 7657 541F lynx -source http://www.ece.utexas.edu/~jhs/public_key.gpg | gpg --import PGP signature
[freenet-chat] anarchists in america
Hello everyone. I'm writing a peer to peer paper for school. This assignment has brought me to freenet. Luckily our professor has allowed us a lot of leeway with this assignment. Some of us are focusing on the technologies, others are focusing on the social and legal impact of the technologies. I began my paper with a purely technical perspective, but after studying freenet I've decided to change the focus to political. I've spent a lot of time reading your email archives. I must say, so far the freenet philosophy and some of your people appear to be quite pathetic. Your form of democracy appears to be anarchy. This group appears to be a bunch of closet socialists / communists who hate the american dream and any form of authority, yet you represent democracy. You people actually believe the constitution gives you the right to distribute porn and other people's software. To quote you: "copyrights are a violation of free speech." Yet you only offer a one paragraph solution which states that fair use is your ideal replacement. To say that copyrights should be abolished, then to only specify a 1 paragraph replacement, is a prime example of the ignorance of this group. For a group whose goal is to respect and uphold freedom of speech, you appear to actively discriminate against those who don't share your twisted views. Hipocricy, again. Yet Ian Clarke has started a company with the intent to release commercial software. Wait a minute, I thought open source was the right way? Another example of hypocrisy. What are you going to do when your commercial software is posted on freenet or gnutella, and you can't pay the salaries of your programmers? This philosophy appears to support the distribution of kiddie porn as a form of free speech. Perhaps when you teenagers are old enough to have kids, and one of them gets raped on camera, the film posted on the internet, you will learn what type of reality we live in. >From what I see, detailed instructions on how to hijack airliners or conduct biological warfare is protected under your "freedom of speech" philosophy. I have never seen such a glaring example of hypocrisy and ignorant idealism in my life, and I can't wait to see the courts shut down your warez/porn distribution net. Perhaps you all can enlighten me by explaining the merits of your three page philosophy to me in detail, and please begin by explaining how fair use is the ideal replacement. Thank you very much. __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
