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Re: [Chevelle-list] 12 Bolt
You will need to get all the bearings, races and seals to pt it back together along with the pinion yoke, cover and gasket, and differential all of which you can get new which you might as well do. You will also have to have someone else set it up for you that knows what they are doing if you have never done it before. Tom
[Chevelle-list] 12 Bolt
I have a 12 bolt out of a 69 chevelle that is missing the guts. All I have is the axles, ring and pinion. I thought I read somewhere that rearends out of some trucks would work. Is this true? Also, what all would I need to get the rear end closed up? Do any of you guys have anything that would work for me that you are willing to part with?? Thanks for all your help with all of my "newbie" questions. Ryan
Re: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine
One problem with that list is that a L79 engine was either a 350hp or 325hp,depending on year and model of car,and their camshafts were hydraulic lifter. The L76 365hp or L84 360 or 375hp engines used solid lifters. Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Brad Waller An old VetteNet member, Mike 'Doc' Cobine has a great reference on camshafts:http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/3000/cmspec.html This says the cams are the same while power levels changed for various engines. It would take some research to see if intakes or anything else changed that might influence power levels. I think exhaust manifolds or heads did not change either, so who knows... From Team Chevelle (http://www.chevelles.com/ref/64f.html) 1964 numbers: Heads 3782461-327 application, 300 HP and L79 (365 HP), valve size 1.94/1.50 (2.02/1.60), combustion chamber size 62.076cc, commonly reffered to as 461 or double hump head, applications include passenger car, Corvette, and Chevelle3795896- 283/327 application, power pack head, has single triangle as casting symbol, valve size 1.72/1.50, combustion chamber size 59.669 cc, applications include passenger car, Chevy II, Corvette, and Chevelle Intake Manifolds 3840905- 2bbl Rochester intake, used on 195hp 283ci Chevelle, passenger cars, and Chevy II3844457- 4bbl Carter intake, used on 220hp 283 and 250hp 327 Chevelle, passenger car, Corvette, and Chevy II3844459- 4bbl Carter AFB intake, used on 300hp 327 Chevelle, passenger car, and Corvette3844461- 4bbl Holley intake, used on 350hp 327ci Chevelle and 365hp Corvette Distributors (part number) 015- 283 195hp, used on passenger cars, Chevelle, Chevy II051- 283 220hp, used on Chevelle066- 283 195hp, used on passenger cars, Chevelle, Chevy II069- 327 365hp, used on Chevelle and Corvette (L79)071- 327 250/300hp, used on Chevelle Camshafts (part number) 3733431- 195/220hp 283 and 250/300 327, lift .398, duration 300, cast# 3732798, cast symbol diamond3849346- 365hp 327 (L79), lift 485, duration 346, cast# 3849347, no cast symbol Carburetors (part number) Carter3720- 300hp 327, automatic transmission, Chevrolet PN 38517623721- 300hp 327, standard transmission, Chevrolet PN 3851761Holley2818- 365hp 327 (L79), standard transmission, model 4150, Also used on 300hp 327, Corvette applications and limited Chevelle Rochester 4bbl7024120- 283 220hp7024122- 283 220hp7024125- 283 220hp7024126- 283 220hp7024220- 283 220hp7024225- 283 220hp7024426- 283 220hp Brad Waller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) '66 Corvette | 327/dead | 4-speed | Wilwood Brakes | 245/45/16 BFG R1'67 Chevelle | ex-SS396 | 355/700R4 | F-Body Brakes | 275/40/17 Kumho MX From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Sorry didnt list the base 327, only the optional 327s. Wonder why the L76 gained 25hp from 63 to 64 and the L84 gained 15hp? Better heads, better exhaust, or just playing with numbers? Dale McIntosh 67 El Camino 1967 Chevelle Reference CD beta now available! ACES #1709/TC Gold #92 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint HooperSent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:43 PMTo: The Chevelle Mailing ListSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine The only difference between the 1964-65 L76 and L84 engines was the induction system used. The L76 had a high-rise intake with Holley carb and obviously the L84 had the Rochester fuel injection. Both used the Duntov 30/30 solid lifter cam. Just to add to the 1964 line,the standard engine in Corvettes that year was a 250hp 327. Yep,I had one of those too,,a Red/White 1964 coupe with 250hp/327,powerglide,power steering,power brakes,power windows,and factory air (rare option). Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Dale According to http://www.idavette.net the 63-65 engine options for 327s were: 1963 ~ L75 327/300 L76 327/340 L84 327/360 (FI) 1964 ~ L75 327/300 L76 327/365 L84 327/375 (FI) 1965 ~ L75 327/300 L76 327/365 L79 327/350 - L84 327/375 (FI) They dont mention just what the differences were. Dale McIntosh 67 El Camino 1967 Chevelle Reference CD beta now available! ACES #1709/TC Gold #92
RE: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine
An old VetteNet member, Mike 'Doc' Cobine has a great reference on camshafts:http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/3000/cmspec.html This says the cams are the same while power levels changed for various engines. It would take some research to see if intakes or anything else changed that might influence power levels. I think exhaust manifolds or heads did not change either, so who knows... From Team Chevelle (http://www.chevelles.com/ref/64f.html) 1964 numbers: Heads 3782461-327 application, 300 HP and L79 (365 HP), valve size 1.94/1.50 (2.02/1.60), combustion chamber size 62.076cc, commonly reffered to as 461 or double hump head, applications include passenger car, Corvette, and Chevelle3795896- 283/327 application, power pack head, has single triangle as casting symbol, valve size 1.72/1.50, combustion chamber size 59.669 cc, applications include passenger car, Chevy II, Corvette, and Chevelle Intake Manifolds 3840905- 2bbl Rochester intake, used on 195hp 283ci Chevelle, passenger cars, and Chevy II3844457- 4bbl Carter intake, used on 220hp 283 and 250hp 327 Chevelle, passenger car, Corvette, and Chevy II3844459- 4bbl Carter AFB intake, used on 300hp 327 Chevelle, passenger car, and Corvette3844461- 4bbl Holley intake, used on 350hp 327ci Chevelle and 365hp Corvette Distributors (part number) 015- 283 195hp, used on passenger cars, Chevelle, Chevy II051- 283 220hp, used on Chevelle066- 283 195hp, used on passenger cars, Chevelle, Chevy II069- 327 365hp, used on Chevelle and Corvette (L79)071- 327 250/300hp, used on Chevelle Camshafts (part number) 3733431- 195/220hp 283 and 250/300 327, lift .398, duration 300, cast# 3732798, cast symbol diamond3849346- 365hp 327 (L79), lift 485, duration 346, cast# 3849347, no cast symbol Carburetors (part number) Carter3720- 300hp 327, automatic transmission, Chevrolet PN 38517623721- 300hp 327, standard transmission, Chevrolet PN 3851761Holley2818- 365hp 327 (L79), standard transmission, model 4150, Also used on 300hp 327, Corvette applications and limited Chevelle Rochester 4bbl7024120- 283 220hp7024122- 283 220hp7024125- 283 220hp7024126- 283 220hp7024220- 283 220hp7024225- 283 220hp7024426- 283 220hp Brad Waller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) '66 Corvette | 327/dead | 4-speed | Wilwood Brakes | 245/45/16 BFG R1'67 Chevelle | ex-SS396 | 355/700R4 | F-Body Brakes | 275/40/17 Kumho MX From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DaleSent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 3:52 PMTo: 'The Chevelle Mailing List'Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine Sorry didn’t list the base 327, only the optional 327s. Wonder why the L76 gained 25hp from 63 to 64 and the L84 gained 15hp? Better heads, better exhaust, or just playing with numbers? Dale McIntosh 67 El Camino 1967 Chevelle Reference CD beta now available! ACES #1709/TC Gold #92 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint HooperSent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:43 PMTo: The Chevelle Mailing ListSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine The only difference between the 1964-65 L76 and L84 engines was the induction system used. The L76 had a high-rise intake with Holley carb and obviously the L84 had the Rochester fuel injection. Both used the Duntov 30/30 solid lifter cam. Just to add to the 1964 line,the standard engine in Corvettes that year was a 250hp 327. Yep,I had one of those too,,a Red/White 1964 coupe with 250hp/327,powerglide,power steering,power brakes,power windows,and factory air (rare option). Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Dale According to http://www.idavette.net the 63-65 engine options for 327s were: 1963 ~ L75 327/300 – L76 327/340 – L84 327/360 (FI) 1964 ~ L75 327/300 – L76 327/365 – L84 327/375 (FI) 1965 ~ L75 327/300 – L76 327/365 – L79 327/350 - L84 327/375 (FI) They don’t mention just what the differences were. Dale McIntosh 67 El Camino 1967 Chevelle Reference CD beta now available! ACES #1709/TC Gold #92 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint HooperSent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 11:37 AMTo: The Chevelle Mailing ListSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine The 1963 327's with Rochester injection were rated at 360hp. Not sure why they increased the hp rating to 375. I've forgotten what was changed in the engine to make the extra power,if anything. They also made a 365hp Holley carb'd 327 in 1965. Anyone know the different power ratings of the 64 Corvette 327's? I've forgot
RE: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine
Better marketing? :-) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 6:52 PM To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine Sorry didn’t list the base 327, only the optional 327s. Wonder why the L76 gained 25hp from 63 to 64 and the L84 gained 15hp? Better heads, better exhaust, or just playing with numbers? Dale McIntosh 67 El Camino 1967 Chevelle Reference CD beta now available! ACES #1709/TC Gold #92 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint Hooper Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:43 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine The only difference between the 1964-65 L76 and L84 engines was the induction system used. The L76 had a high-rise intake with Holley carb and obviously the L84 had the Rochester fuel injection. Both used the Duntov 30/30 solid lifter cam. Just to add to the 1964 line,the standard engine in Corvettes that year was a 250hp 327. Yep,I had one of those too,,a Red/White 1964 coupe with 250hp/327,powerglide,power steering,power brakes,power windows,and factory air (rare option). Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Dale According to http://www.idavette.net the 63-65 engine options for 327s were: 1963 ~ L75 327/300 – L76 327/340 – L84 327/360 (FI) 1964 ~ L75 327/300 – L76 327/365 – L84 327/375 (FI) 1965 ~ L75 327/300 – L76 327/365 – L79 327/350 - L84 327/375 (FI) They don’t mention just what the differences were. Dale McIntosh 67 El Camino 1967 Chevelle Reference CD beta now available! ACES #1709/TC Gold #92 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint Hooper Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 11:37 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine The 1963 327's with Rochester injection were rated at 360hp. Not sure why they increased the hp rating to 375. I've forgotten what was changed in the engine to make the extra power,if anything. They also made a 365hp Holley carb'd 327 in 1965. Anyone know the different power ratings of the 64 Corvette 327's? I've forgotten if they were the same as the MY63 or MY65. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Dave Corgill At 10:34 AM 7/19/2005, you wrote: > >Actually,the L84 was uprated to 375hp in the 1965 Corvette. I know,I had two >of them,,a coupe and a roadster. 375 was the FI . Yep, I had a 65 327/365 with the holly conv, wish I never sold it. 4 speed, Wonder what it's worth now.. (I don't want to know).
Re: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine
I'm pretty sure the 63 340hp 327 had a cast iron intake with Rochester carb. Don't remember the cam they used. As for the fuelie motors,I think you're right about fudging the numbers. Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Dale Sorry didnt list the base 327, only the optional 327s. Wonder why the L76 gained 25hp from 63 to 64 and the L84 gained 15hp? Better heads, better exhaust, or just playing with numbers? Dale McIntosh 67 El Camino 1967 Chevelle Reference CD beta now available! ACES #1709/TC Gold #92 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint HooperSent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:43 PMTo: The Chevelle Mailing ListSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine The only difference between the 1964-65 L76 and L84 engines was the induction system used. The L76 had a high-rise intake with Holley carb and obviously the L84 had the Rochester fuel injection. Both used the Duntov 30/30 solid lifter cam. Just to add to the 1964 line,the standard engine in Corvettes that year was a 250hp 327. Yep,I had one of those too,,a Red/White 1964 coupe with 250hp/327,powerglide,power steering,power brakes,power windows,and factory air (rare option). Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Dale According to http://www.idavette.net the 63-65 engine options for 327s were: 1963 ~ L75 327/300 L76 327/340 L84 327/360 (FI) 1964 ~ L75 327/300 L76 327/365 L84 327/375 (FI) 1965 ~ L75 327/300 L76 327/365 L79 327/350 - L84 327/375 (FI) They dont mention just what the differences were. Dale McIntosh 67 El Camino 1967 Chevelle Reference CD beta now available! ACES #1709/TC Gold #92 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint HooperSent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 11:37 AMTo: The Chevelle Mailing ListSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine The 1963 327's with Rochester injection were rated at 360hp. Not sure why they increased the hp rating to 375. I've forgotten what was changed in the engine to make the extra power,if anything. They also made a 365hp Holley carb'd 327 in 1965. Anyone know the different power ratings of the 64 Corvette 327's? I've forgotten if they were the same as the MY63 or MY65. Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Dave Corgill At 10:34 AM 7/19/2005, you wrote:>>Actually,the L84 was uprated to 375hp in the 1965 Corvette. I know,I had two>of them,,a coupe and a roadster.375 was the FI .Yep, I had a 65 327/365 with the holly conv, wish I never sold it. 4 speed, Wonder what it's worth now.. (I don't want to know).
RE: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine
Sorry didn’t list the base 327, only the optional 327s. Wonder why the L76 gained 25hp from 63 to 64 and the L84 gained 15hp? Better heads, better exhaust, or just playing with numbers? Dale McIntosh 67 El Camino 1967 Chevelle Reference CD beta now available! ACES #1709/TC Gold #92 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint Hooper Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 5:43 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine The only difference between the 1964-65 L76 and L84 engines was the induction system used. The L76 had a high-rise intake with Holley carb and obviously the L84 had the Rochester fuel injection. Both used the Duntov 30/30 solid lifter cam. Just to add to the 1964 line,the standard engine in Corvettes that year was a 250hp 327. Yep,I had one of those too,,a Red/White 1964 coupe with 250hp/327,powerglide,power steering,power brakes,power windows,and factory air (rare option). Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Dale According to http://www.idavette.net the 63-65 engine options for 327s were: 1963 ~ L75 327/300 – L76 327/340 – L84 327/360 (FI) 1964 ~ L75 327/300 – L76 327/365 – L84 327/375 (FI) 1965 ~ L75 327/300 – L76 327/365 – L79 327/350 - L84 327/375 (FI) They don’t mention just what the differences were. Dale McIntosh 67 El Camino 1967 Chevelle Reference CD beta now available! ACES #1709/TC Gold #92 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint Hooper Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 11:37 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine The 1963 327's with Rochester injection were rated at 360hp. Not sure why they increased the hp rating to 375. I've forgotten what was changed in the engine to make the extra power,if anything. They also made a 365hp Holley carb'd 327 in 1965. Anyone know the different power ratings of the 64 Corvette 327's? I've forgotten if they were the same as the MY63 or MY65. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Dave Corgill At 10:34 AM 7/19/2005, you wrote: > >Actually,the L84 was uprated to 375hp in the 1965 Corvette. I know,I had two >of them,,a coupe and a roadster. 375 was the FI . Yep, I had a 65 327/365 with the holly conv, wish I never sold it. 4 speed, Wonder what it's worth now.. (I don't want to know).
Re: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine
The only difference between the 1964-65 L76 and L84 engines was the induction system used. The L76 had a high-rise intake with Holley carb and obviously the L84 had the Rochester fuel injection. Both used the Duntov 30/30 solid lifter cam. Just to add to the 1964 line,the standard engine in Corvettes that year was a 250hp 327. Yep,I had one of those too,,a Red/White 1964 coupe with 250hp/327,powerglide,power steering,power brakes,power windows,and factory air (rare option). Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Dale According to http://www.idavette.net the 63-65 engine options for 327s were: 1963 ~ L75 327/300 L76 327/340 L84 327/360 (FI) 1964 ~ L75 327/300 L76 327/365 L84 327/375 (FI) 1965 ~ L75 327/300 L76 327/365 L79 327/350 - L84 327/375 (FI) They dont mention just what the differences were. Dale McIntosh 67 El Camino 1967 Chevelle Reference CD beta now available! ACES #1709/TC Gold #92 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint HooperSent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 11:37 AMTo: The Chevelle Mailing ListSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine The 1963 327's with Rochester injection were rated at 360hp. Not sure why they increased the hp rating to 375. I've forgotten what was changed in the engine to make the extra power,if anything. They also made a 365hp Holley carb'd 327 in 1965. Anyone know the different power ratings of the 64 Corvette 327's? I've forgotten if they were the same as the MY63 or MY65. Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Dave Corgill At 10:34 AM 7/19/2005, you wrote:>>Actually,the L84 was uprated to 375hp in the 1965 Corvette. I know,I had two>of them,,a coupe and a roadster.375 was the FI .Yep, I had a 65 327/365 with the holly conv, wish I never sold it. 4 speed, Wonder what it's worth now.. (I don't want to know).
RE: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine
According to http://www.idavette.net the 63-65 engine options for 327s were: 1963 ~ L75 327/300 – L76 327/340 – L84 327/360 (FI) 1964 ~ L75 327/300 – L76 327/365 – L84 327/375 (FI) 1965 ~ L75 327/300 – L76 327/365 – L79 327/350 - L84 327/375 (FI) They don’t mention just what the differences were. Dale McIntosh 67 El Camino 1967 Chevelle Reference CD beta now available! ACES #1709/TC Gold #92 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint Hooper Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 11:37 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine The 1963 327's with Rochester injection were rated at 360hp. Not sure why they increased the hp rating to 375. I've forgotten what was changed in the engine to make the extra power,if anything. They also made a 365hp Holley carb'd 327 in 1965. Anyone know the different power ratings of the 64 Corvette 327's? I've forgotten if they were the same as the MY63 or MY65. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Dave Corgill At 10:34 AM 7/19/2005, you wrote: > >Actually,the L84 was uprated to 375hp in the 1965 Corvette. I know,I had two >of them,,a coupe and a roadster. 375 was the FI . Yep, I had a 65 327/365 with the holly conv, wish I never sold it. 4 speed, Wonder what it's worth now.. (I don't want to know).
RE: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine
Or ‘power-on-demand’ nitrous. Dale McIntosh 67 El Camino 1967 Chevelle Reference CD beta now available! ACES #1709/TC Gold #92 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Corgill Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:02 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine At 09:55 AM 7/19/2005, you wrote: > >To go from a 350 to a 302 just requires one to change the crank and pistons. >A 302 would be a dog in a later 66-72 Chevelle because of the extra weight. >If you want something to rev to the moon and still pull a heavier car >around,build a 348 (400 block with 327 crank) or a 377 (400block with 350 >crank). The only substitute for cubic inches is cubic dollars. Or a blower (cubic dollars) ;)
Re: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine
Hi, I found this link while looking for bore stroke list on Google http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Small-Block_engine pretty interesting site even if there are a couple of mistakes. another site I found has a neat chronology for vettes, http://www.islandnet.com/~kpolsson/vettehis/ 1954 (month unknown) june or july a.. Chevrolet Engineering installs a functional prototype Chevrolet V-8 engine in a 1954 Corvette, which is given experimental record number EX87. [259.194] [269.46] (month unknown) a.. A General Motors executive tells Zora Arkus-Duntov that Corvette is finished, that no more would be built. [538.31] October a.. The first V8-powered Corvette is built, 265-ci with 4-barrel carbureter. The first 3-speed manual Corvette is also built. [226.46a] b.. c.. (which I assume would have been a 55 model) - Original Message - From: "Brad Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine -- Original message -- From: "Gene's General Restoration Parts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Here is an interesting read on the bore stroke combos from the factory. Early Small Blocks Most current GM small-block V8s (the LT and LS series) trace their lineage to the 1954 265 in³ V8 developed for the Corvette. Displacement and power eventually reached 377 in³ and 509 hp (in prototypes) before the Corvette switched to Chevrolet big-block power. But the small-block lived on, settling in at 350 in³ for decades of performance. [edit] 265 The 265 in³ (4.3 L) V8 was the first Chevrolet small block. Designed by Ed Cole's group at Chevrolet, it filled the power gap in the 1954 Corvette lineup, producing an impressive 195 hp (145 kW). The little engine went from Where was this originally published? Apparently the author doesn't know the difference between 1954 and 1955... Brad O.
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-- Original message -- From: "Gene's General Restoration Parts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Here is an interesting read on the bore stroke combos from the factory. > > Early Small Blocks > Most current GM small-block V8s (the LT and LS series) trace their lineage > to the 1954 265 in³ V8 developed for the Corvette. Displacement and power > eventually reached 377 in³ and 509 hp (in prototypes) before the Corvette > switched to Chevrolet big-block power. But the small-block lived on, > settling in at 350 in³ for decades of performance. > > [edit] > 265 > The 265 in³ (4.3 L) V8 was the first Chevrolet small block. Designed by Ed > Cole's group at Chevrolet, it filled the power gap in the 1954 Corvette > lineup, producing an impressive 195 hp (145 kW). The little engine went from Where was this originally published? Apparently the author doesn't know the difference between 1954 and 1955... Brad O.
RE: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine
The original reason was to meet the regulations for a racing series, so they came up with a combination that worked for that application. They could not have built a 327 or 348 because it would have been too big. For lighter cars and racing, you want to be able to rev to the moon. For a street car that you want to cruise in and enjoy, you want massive torque. This is not to say that some people might not love a 302 (or 327 or 348 or 377) over their larger displacement cousins, as everyone has their own style and some people will sacrifice some amount of bottom end for more top end. Brad Waller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) '66 Corvette | 327/dead | 4-speed | Wilwood Brakes | 245/45/16 BFG R1 '67 Chevelle | ex-SS396 | 355/700R4 | F-Body Brakes | 275/40/17 Kumho MX > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike f > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 6:51 AM > To: The Chevelle Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine > > So, why would any current owner/builder think about > destroking a sbc? I think CHP did an article on making > a 327. There were so few 302's and riding in a car > that the motor was comfortable at 4000 to over 7000 > was so cool. Again, can a 350 be destroked enough? > mike > > --- Clint Hooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The main negative feature of a DZ302 engine is their > > lack of low end torque and corresponding need for > > steep gearing. My 69 Z/28 had 4.10 cogs and still > > could have used something shorter like 4.56's or > > 4.88's. The standard ratio in those cars was a 3.73 > > and they ran like a dog with them. Unless you plan > > on using a five or six speed trans,I would build > > something bigger. > > Clint Hooper > > H&H Custom,owner > > 1969 El Camino ProTourer > > 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger
Re: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine
The 1963 327's with Rochester injection were rated at 360hp. Not sure why they increased the hp rating to 375. I've forgotten what was changed in the engine to make the extra power,if anything. They also made a 365hp Holley carb'd 327 in 1965. Anyone know the different power ratings of the 64 Corvette 327's? I've forgotten if they were the same as the MY63 or MY65. Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Dave Corgill At 10:34 AM 7/19/2005, you wrote:>>Actually,the L84 was uprated to 375hp in the 1965 Corvette. I know,I had two>of them,,a coupe and a roadster.375 was the FI .Yep, I had a 65 327/365 with the holly conv, wish I never sold it. 4 speed, Wonder what it's worth now.. (I don't want to know).
Re: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine
At 10:34 AM 7/19/2005, you wrote: > >Actually,the L84 was uprated to 375hp in the 1965 Corvette. I know,I had two >of them,,a coupe and a roadster. 375 was the FI . Yep, I had a 65 326/365 with the holly conv, wish I never sold it. 4 speed, Wonder what it's worth now.. (I don't want to know).
Re: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine
well I just cut and pasted this info, but I thought there was a 375 hp 327 when I read this Gene - Original Message - From: "Clint Hooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine Actually,the L84 was uprated to 375hp in the 1965 Corvette. I know,I had two of them,,a coupe and a roadster. 1967 Corvettes could also be equipped with the L68 427 that was basically a 390hp with tripower induction. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: "Gene's General Restoration Parts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [edit] 327 The 327 in³ (5.4 L) V8, introduced in 1962, was bored and stroked to 4 in (102 mm) by 3.25 in. Power ranged from 250 hp to 360 hp (186 kW to 268 kW) depending on the choice of carburetor or fuel injection. The L76 version produced 340 hp (254 kW) and 344 ft·lbf (466 N·m), while the L84 was the top performer with 360 hp (268 kW) and 352 ft·lbf (477 N·m) with solid lifters, a special cam, and Ram-Jet fuel injection. The 1966 L79 was the highest-performance that year 327 at 350 hp (261 kW) and 360 ft·lbf (477 N·m). 1967 saw two higher-performance versions - the 390 hp (291 kW) L36 and 435 hp (324 kW) L71
Re: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine
Actually,the L84 was uprated to 375hp in the 1965 Corvette. I know,I had two of them,,a coupe and a roadster. 1967 Corvettes could also be equipped with the L68 427 that was basically a 390hp with tripower induction. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: "Gene's General Restoration Parts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [edit] 327 The 327 in³ (5.4 L) V8, introduced in 1962, was bored and stroked to 4 in (102 mm) by 3.25 in. Power ranged from 250 hp to 360 hp (186 kW to 268 kW) depending on the choice of carburetor or fuel injection. The L76 version produced 340 hp (254 kW) and 344 ft·lbf (466 N·m), while the L84 was the top performer with 360 hp (268 kW) and 352 ft·lbf (477 N·m) with solid lifters, a special cam, and Ram-Jet fuel injection. The 1966 L79 was the highest-performance that year 327 at 350 hp (261 kW) and 360 ft·lbf (477 N·m). 1967 saw two higher-performance versions - the 390 hp (291 kW) L36 and 435 hp (324 kW) L71
Re: Re: [Chevelle-list] Stroked 396
You need to clearance the block for the rods. Tom B. > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 2005/07/19 Tue AM 06:40:04 EDT > To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Stroked 396 > > Anyone have any opinions , experience putting a crank and rods out of a 454 > into > a 396 . > Just wondering if this is a combo or not , balancing and all ? > > Rick > >
Re: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine
Here is an interesting read on the bore stroke combos from the factory. (But they of course never built a 383 version although they should have. If anyone is considering building a small block from scratch a long rod 383 is the best in terms of cost vs. power.) Gene Early Small Blocks Most current GM small-block V8s (the LT and LS series) trace their lineage to the 1954 265 in³ V8 developed for the Corvette. Displacement and power eventually reached 377 in³ and 509 hp (in prototypes) before the Corvette switched to Chevrolet big-block power. But the small-block lived on, settling in at 350 in³ for decades of performance. [edit] 265 The 265 in³ (4.3 L) V8 was the first Chevrolet small block. Designed by Ed Cole's group at Chevrolet, it filled the power gap in the 1954 Corvette lineup, producing an impressive 195 hp (145 kW). The little engine went from drawings to production in just 15 weeks. Besides its compact dimensions, the small-block was known for its novel green-sand foundry construction process. Dimensions were oversquare - 3.75 in (95 mm) bore and 3 in (76 mm) stroke. The small-block's 4.4 in (111.8 mm) bore spacing would continue in use for decades. It was a pushrod cast-iron engine with solid lifters and a 4-barrel Rochester carburetor. A passenger car version produced 162 hp. The 1956 Corvette introduced three versions of this engine - 210 hp (157 kW), 225 hp (168 kW) with twin 4-barrel carbs, and 240 hp (179 kW) with a high-lift cam. a.. 1954, 1956 Chevrolet Corvette b.. 1955 Chevrolet, 165 hp (2-barrel) and 195 hp (4-barrel) [edit] 283 The 283 in³ (4.6 L) V8 was introduced in 1957. It was a version of the 265 in³ (4.3 L) bored-out to 3.87 in (98 mm). There were five different versions ranging from 220 hp to 283 hp (164 kW to 211 kW) depending on whether a single carb, twin carbs, or fuel injection was used. Power was up a bit each year for 1958, 1959, and 1960. The 1957 engine featured Ramjet mechanical fuel injection, allowing the engine to produce 1 horsepower per cubic inch, an impressive feat at the time. For 1961, an amazing 315 hp was available from this unit. a.. 1957-1962 Chevrolet Corvette [edit] 327 The 327 in³ (5.4 L) V8, introduced in 1962, was bored and stroked to 4 in (102 mm) by 3.25 in. Power ranged from 250 hp to 360 hp (186 kW to 268 kW) depending on the choice of carburetor or fuel injection. The L76 version produced 340 hp (254 kW) and 344 ft·lbf (466 N·m), while the L84 was the top performer with 360 hp (268 kW) and 352 ft·lbf (477 N·m) with solid lifers, a special cam, and Ram-Jet fuel injection. The 1966 L79 was the highest-performance that year 327 at 350 hp (261 kW) and 360 ft·lbf (477 N·m). 1967 saw two higher-performance versions - the 390 hp (291 kW) L36 and 435 hp (324 kW) L71. a.. 1963-1968 Chevrolet Corvette [edit] 215 The Oldsmobile/Buick 215 V8 is documented under Buick V8 engine page. [edit] 302 Chevrolet produced a special 302 in³ (4.9 L) engine for Trans Am racing. It was the product of a 327 block and 283 crankshaft, and was only used in the first-generation Camaro Z28. Conservatively rated at 290 hp (216 kW), actual output was at least 320 hp (239 kW). Later 302 in³ engines were produced for GM trucks and sold under the Vortec brand name. This block also formed the basis for the Vortec 4300 V6. [edit] 400 A 400 in³ small-block was introduced in 1970 and produced for 10 years. Initial output was 240 hp. [edit] Later Small Blocks This section documents the odd-size small blocks developed after the 350 appeared in 1969. Many of these basic blocks are variations of the 350 design. [edit] 4.3 The 4.3 was a 4.3 L (262 in³) 90° pushrod V8 with an iron block and heads. Bore and stroke were 3.67 in (93 mm) by 3.10 in (78.7 mm). Power output for 1975 was 110 hp (82 kW) and 195 ft·lbf (264 N·m). This engine was used in the following cars: a.. 1975-1976 Chevrolet Monza [edit] 5.0 The 5.0 variant of the 4.3 was bored and stroked to 5.0 L (305 in³) with a 3.74 in (95 mm) bore and 3.48 in (88.4 mm) stroke. Year hp (kW) ft·lbf (N·m) 1976 140 245 332 1977 140 245 332 1978 140 245 332 1979 130 245 332 This engine was used in the following cars: a.. 1976-1979 Chevrolet Monza b.. 1982-1992 Chevrolet Camaro [edit] 350 The first generation of Chevrolet small-blocks began with the 1955 Chevrolet 265 in³ (4.3 L) V8. But it was the 350 in³ (5.7L) series that set the standard for high performance. The engine's physical dimensions (oversquare 4.00 in bore and 3.48 in stroke, 102 mm by 88 mm) are nearly identical to the 400 hp (300 kW) LS2 engine of today, but of course much has changed. This engine was used in the following cars: a.. 1975 Chevrolet Monza - 125 hp (93 kW) Note that Oldsmobile produced an entirely different 350 in³ V8 (4.057 in bore and 3.53 in stroke, 103 mm by 90 mm), the L34 and LF9 from the 1980s. [edit] ZQ3 Years: 1969, 1970, 1972-1975 The ZQ3 was th
Re: [Chevelle-list] Stroked 396
Here is an interesting read I found that list stock bore and stroke. (I couldn't remember if the 427 was a 396 block and 454 crank or a 454 block and 396 crank so I had to look it up) Gene 396 The 396 in³ (6.5 L) V8 was introduced in the 1965 Corvette as the L78 option. It had larger bore and stroke at 4.094 in by 3.76 in (104 mm by 96 mm) than any previous small-block and produced an amazing 425 hp (317 kW) and 415 ft.lbf (563 Nm). 1965 Chevrolet Corvette 1967-1969 Chevrolet Camaro [edit] 402 The 402 was simply a 396 bored out by .030 in (0.8 mm). [edit] 427 The huge 427 in³ (7 L) V8 was introduced in 1966 on the Corvette. Bore was up to 4.25 in, and the power ratings were said to be conservative. The hydraulic-lifter L30 (L36 in 1968) option was rated at 390 hp and 460 ft.lbf (624 Nm), while the solid-lifter L72 pushed out 425 hp (317 kW) and 460 ft.lbf (624 Nm). The 1967 L89 (1968 L71) increased this to 435 hp (324 kW) and 460 ft.lbf (624 Nm), while the L88 from the same years produced 560 hp (418 kW). The 1969 ZL1 is one of the best-remembered big-blocks. Putting out 430 hp (321 kW) and 450 ft.lbf (610 Nm) from a special camshaft and tuned Holley carb in an aluminum intake, it was a $2000 option! But the all-aluminum engine block weighed just 98 lbs, less than half the weight of a similar iron block. Just two production Corvettes were made with this option, making it one of the rarest. The 427 was also used in GM full-size trucks. 1966-1969 Chevrolet Corvette [edit] 454 The big-block was expanded again for 1970 to 454 in³ (7.4 L) with a 4.251 in (108 mm) bore and 4 in (102 mm) stroke. The 1970 Corvette LS5 engine produced 390 hp (291 kW) and 500 ft.lbf (678 Nm). There was a one-off LS7 which was tuned for performance, with 465 hp (347 kW) and "just" 490 ft.lbf (664 Nm). But included was the king of muscle car engines, the LS6 454. This engine produced 450 hp (336 kW), but replacing the headers could bring it up to 500 hp (373 kW). Power began falling off after 1970, with the 1971 LS5 producing 365 hp (272 kW) and 465 ft.lbf (630 Nm), and the new LS6 option coming in at 425 hp (317 kW) and 475 ft.lbf (644 Nm). Only the LS5 remained in 1972, now at just 270 hp (201 kW) and 390 ft.lbf (529 Nm). The 1973 LS4 was at 275 hp (205 kW) and 390 ft.lbf (529 Nm), with 5 hp (4 kW) and 10 ft.lbf (14 Nm) gone the next year. 1974 was the last year of the 454 in the Corvette. GM continued to use the 7.4 L 454 in their truck line, introducing a new Vortec 7400 version in 1991. 1970-1974 Chevrolet Corvette - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Stroked 396 A 396 block would have to be notched to clear the longer stroke. 454 blocks are easy to find,though. Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone have any opinions , experience putting a crank and rods out of a 454 into a 396 . Just wondering if this is a combo or not , balancing and all ? Rick
Re: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine
At 09:55 AM 7/19/2005, you wrote: > >To go from a 350 to a 302 just requires one to change the crank and pistons. >A 302 would be a dog in a later 66-72 Chevelle because of the extra weight. >If you want something to rev to the moon and still pull a heavier car >around,build a 348 (400 block with 327 crank) or a 377 (400block with 350 >crank). The only substitute for cubic inches is cubic dollars. Or a blower (cubic dollars) ;)
Re: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine
To go from a 350 to a 302 just requires one to change the crank and pistons. A 302 would be a dog in a later 66-72 Chevelle because of the extra weight. If you want something to rev to the moon and still pull a heavier car around,build a 348 (400 block with 327 crank) or a 377 (400block with 350 crank). The only substitute for cubic inches is cubic dollars. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: "mike f" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > So, why would any current owner/builder think about > destroking a sbc? I think CHP did an article on making > a 327. There were so few 302's and riding in a car > that the motor was comfortable at 4000 to over 7000 > was so cool. Again, can a 350 be destroked enough? > mike > > --- Clint Hooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The main negative feature of a DZ302 engine is their > > lack of low end torque and corresponding need for > > steep gearing. My 69 Z/28 had 4.10 cogs and still > > could have used something shorter like 4.56's or > > 4.88's. The standard ratio in those cars was a 3.73 > > and they ran like a dog with them. Unless you plan > > on using a five or six speed trans,I would build > > something bigger. > > Clint Hooper > > H&H Custom,owner > > 1969 El Camino ProTourer > > 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger > > > http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm > > > > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >
Re: [Chevelle-list] Stroked 396
A 396 block would have to be notched to clear the longer stroke. 454 blocks are easy to find,though. Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone have any opinions , experience putting a crank and rods out of a 454 into a 396 . Just wondering if this is a combo or not , balancing and all ? Rick
Re: [Chevelle-list] Stroked 396
Seems to me I heard all BBC cranks are interchangeable EXCEPT in a 454. I'm thinking there's clearence issues requiring some grinding. Larry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 6:40 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Stroked 396 Anyone have any opinions , experience putting a crank and rods out of a 454 into a 396 . Just wondering if this is a combo or not , balancing and all ? Rick
Re: [Chevelle-list] Z/28 engine
So, why would any current owner/builder think about destroking a sbc? I think CHP did an article on making a 327. There were so few 302's and riding in a car that the motor was comfortable at 4000 to over 7000 was so cool. Again, can a 350 be destroked enough? mike --- Clint Hooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The main negative feature of a DZ302 engine is their > lack of low end torque and corresponding need for > steep gearing. My 69 Z/28 had 4.10 cogs and still > could have used something shorter like 4.56's or > 4.88's. The standard ratio in those cars was a 3.73 > and they ran like a dog with them. Unless you plan > on using a five or six speed trans,I would build > something bigger. > Clint Hooper > H&H Custom,owner > 1969 El Camino ProTourer > 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger > http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [Chevelle-list] Stroked 396
Anyone have any opinions , experience putting a crank and rods out of a 454 into a 396 . Just wondering if this is a combo or not , balancing and all ? Rick
