Re: [Chevelle-list] Fwd: GM Dealer number???????

[Rick Schaefer]

  I found this page @ chevelles.com http://www.chevelles.com/zones/    It  may help you.  But you will need a zone for the search feature to work.   

On 9/27/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
I just recently received a production / build sheet pertaining to myCanadian built Chevelle, from GM of Canada vintage records service.
They were able to provide all the information from my vin # about thecars production date and option codes. They even provide dealer shippedto information. This however is by dealer number, not by name or city.
The dealer number I was given is  U.S. Dealer code # 12469. Can anyonehelp with locating an actual Name and address ??Thanks: George 69sofine.- End forwarded message -
-- Rick Schaefer72 TPI El Camino

Re: [Chevelle-list] Timing?

[gm66]

 Check your vacuum advance. It may be hanging up. There should be a little 
rubber sleeve over the portion that hooks into breaker plate. I had a 400 that 
this rubber tube deteriated in and the car would run very erratic. Drove me 
crazy until I found the problem. Replaced vacuum advance unit, problem gone. 
gm66

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: "Jim H. Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" 
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Timing?
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:41:09 -0400

I have set timing manually by setting the timing marks with the engine off.
Once they are aligned. Remove the number one plug wire insert a spark plug;
lay it on the exhaust so it is grounded. Loosen the distributor slightly and
gently turn the distributor back and forth until the plug fires. Once it
fires lock the distributor down. Start the engine check timing if the timing
jumps around or after restarting a couple of times it changes you have a bad
timing chain.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pelle Andersson
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 1:30 PM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Timing?

I'll try that!

Right now I'm "all over the place" & need to recond my carb first.
As my father used to say "first things first" ;-)
There's a lot of stuff that's been unattended since 70's and if I change one
thing
another one is bound to break, you know "the weakest link", "chain reaction"
type scenario!?
I'm having a hard time keeping up with her needs (like my GF) ;-)

Pelle
- Original Message -
From: Matthew Post 
To: The Chevelle Mailing List 
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Timing?

What I have always done when adjusting the timing for auto. cars is to set
the idle in park at the speed you want it in drive.  Set the timing at the
"in drive" idle speed while the car is safely in park.  Also adjust the idle
mixture this way.  Then, increase the idle speed enough to get the desired
idle when you drop it in to drive.

-Matt

At 07:46 AM 9/27/2006, you wrote:


At first I did the timing as you described (in neutral/park) and I adjusted
it to approx 12*.
That’s the way I’ve always done it before until I read that “Watson guide”
and thought maybe…
I had problems with the engine stalling when I put in drive which got better
when I adjusted the timing “The Watson way”.
I checked the timing with the car “in drive” and It actually changes, quite
a lot, 10-15*!
I had all vacuum plugged & did it “by the book” both times except for the
neutral vs drive adjustment procedure.
Maybe it’s the centrifugal advance that’s haunting me? When the RPM drops
the advance drops too much and it stalls?

I’ll double check the timing again and compare the difference between
drive/neutral adj. procedure.

Pelle
  _

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Well, the guide looks good for the most part, but honestly, try this test
with the vacuum advance disconnected and plugged... Set your initial timing
(around 12* BTDC) with the car in park or neutral. Then have someone sit in
the car hold the brake and put it in gear, and check the timing again. If
the timing has changed let me know, I'll be surprised.

I also sent an email to Craig Watson, the co-author of the guide asking him
if there is a specific reason he mentions this technique. Maybe I'll learn
something new after all!
--
Shawn
'69 Corvette 427 4-Speed
'69 Chevelle SS 396 4-Speed
'69 Charger R/T 383 4-Speed
'67 Chevy C-10 3-On The Tree
'00 Suzuki GSX-R 750 1-Down, 5-Up



On Sep 27, 2006, at 8:10 AM, Pelle Chevelle wrote:


Guess I was right from the beginning then :-/
Or have I misunderstood the guide?

http://www.2quicknovas.com/happytiming.html

Pelle

  _

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Never heard of that guide, and never heard of setting timing in drive. When
you set initial timing with the distributor hooked up, it won't make any
difference what gear the transmission is in. It is a simple relationship of
the firing mark for the #1 cylinder to top dead center of #1 cylinder.
Engine load or even speed (not taking into account for distributor advance
weights) will not change that relationship.
 Does the guide give any reason why it needs to be in drive? What do they
suggest for a manual car?
On Sep 27, 2006, at 7:56 AM, Pelle Chevelle wrote:



I read the “Watson guide to happy timing” and the stated that the timing
should be set in Drive!?

Pelle

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[Chevelle-list] Clutch

[Jim Buckingham]

Hooking up a clutch in a 72 chevelle, and it seem the fork
does not move, there is no play in it.  Guess it could be that the fork is not
seated correctly on the throwout bearing or it could be the wrong length ball
installed in the bellhousing.  Also, with the headers, have to turn the pivot
and mount on the other side of Zbar, the other end does not seat rear well on
the fork.

 

Any other ideas before I tear it all back out again?  

 

Also, looking for a shifter and mounting for a Saginaw trans.  Does not
seem to be many of those around.

 

Thanks,

 

Jim Buckingham

Re: [Chevelle-list] LT1 Engine

[Larry Williams]

Dan

My buddy has a 94 cop car with an LT1.  He put on headers, roller 
rockers, and an MSD box, and that big car is bad ass.  I would stick 
with the F.I. and computer if it has it.  It will run sweet.


Larry Williams

PS  It lays great posi stripes!  For a SB!


Brad Waller wrote:

Dan,

The reverse-flow setup almost guarantees you have a modern LT1 (1992-1997)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_LT_engine 


Have fun with it if you get it!

Brad Waller ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

'66 Corvette | 327/dead | 4-speed | Wilwood Brakes | 245/45/16 BFG R1
'67 Chevelle | ex-SS396 | 355/700R4 | F-Body Brakes | 275/40/17 Kumho MX

  

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Mascheck

Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 4:46 PM
To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] LT1 Engine

Brad,

I won't know about the carb VS. injection for two weeks. I 
have seen the
truck from a short distance, but never thought the doctor 
would offer it. I
have a meeting in Memphis all next week, so it will be the 
following week
before I can check it out. I have a mechanic friend that's 
working on my 72
Chevelle, and I plan on taking him with me to check it out. 
The price is
good. It has huge rear wheels. The LT1, I was told, had a 
reverse flow water
pump to cool the heads first, allowing higher compression 
rates, keeping

them from having pre-detonation problems. The water pump runs off of a
linkage to the cam. Different for me!

I had a call from Edinburg and was told they have a 66 or 67 
Chevelle SS for
sale, and I'm waiting for a price and the specs. Seems deals 
are coming out

of the wall!

Thanks!

  Dan Mascheck
  Wharton, TX

-Original Message-
From: Brad Waller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 5:41 PM

To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] LT1 Engine

Tha was going to be my question.  Does it have a carburetor or Fuel
Injection?  Both are great, but the modern ones will need a 
computer and the

old ones need good gas!

Brad Waller
'67 Chevelle, '66 Corvette 



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  

Clint Hooper


Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 2:47 PM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] LT1 Engine

1970-73 LT-1 or 1992-96 LT1? Either one would be a 
  

desireable engine.


Clint Hooper
H&H Custom,owner
1969 El Camino protourer
http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
http://www.lateral-g.net/members/hooper/
"You may find me dead one day in a ditch. But by God,you'll 
find me in a

pile of brass."

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Mascheck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



  
I have a chance to buy a 1946 Chevy truck with a LT1 


Corvette Engine. Does
  

anyone know if it's a decent engine or should it be thrown away?



  











  




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Re: [Chevelle-list] Timing?

[Jim H. Thompson]

I have set
timing manually by setting the timing marks with the engine off. Once they are
aligned. Remove the number one plug wire insert a spark plug; lay it on the
exhaust so it is grounded. Loosen the distributor slightly and gently turn the
distributor back and forth until the plug fires. Once it fires lock the
distributor down. Start the engine check timing if the timing jumps around or
after restarting a couple of times it changes you have a bad timing chain.

 

-Original
Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Pelle Andersson
Sent: Wednesday, September 27,
2006 1:30 PM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list]
Timing?

 

I'll
try that!

 

Right
now I'm "all over the place" & need to recond my carb first.

As my
father used to say "first things first" ;-)

There's
a lot of stuff that's been unattended since 70's and if I change one thing

another
one is bound to break, you know "the weakest link", "chain
reaction" type scenario!?

I'm
having a hard time keeping up with her needs (like my GF) ;-)

 

Pelle



-
Original Message - 



From: Matthew Post 



To: The
Chevelle Mailing List 

Sent: Wednesday, September
27, 2006 5:24 PM

Subject: Re:
[Chevelle-list] Timing?

 

What I have
always done when adjusting the timing for auto. cars is to set the idle in park
at the speed you want it in drive.  Set the timing at the "in
drive" idle speed while the car is safely in park.  Also adjust the
idle mixture this way.  Then, increase the idle speed enough to get the
desired idle when you drop it in to drive. 

-Matt

At 07:46 AM 9/27/2006, you wrote:







At first I did
the timing as you described (in neutral/park) and I adjusted it to approx 12*.
That’s the way I’ve always done it before until I read that “Watson guide” and
thought maybe…
I had problems with the engine stalling when I put in drive which got better
when I adjusted the timing “The Watson way”.
I checked the timing with the car “in drive” and It actually changes, quite a
lot, 10-15*!
I had all vacuum plugged & did it “by the book” both times except for the
neutral vs drive adjustment procedure.
Maybe it’s the centrifugal advance that’s haunting me? When the RPM drops the
advance drops too much and it stalls?
 
I’ll double check the timing again and compare the difference between
drive/neutral adj. procedure.
 
Pelle









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Well, the guide looks good for the most part, but honestly, try this test with
the vacuum advance disconnected and plugged... Set your initial timing (around
12* BTDC) with the car in park or neutral. Then have someone sit in the car
hold the brake and put it in gear, and check the timing again. If the timing
has changed let me know, I'll be surprised.
 
I also sent an email to Craig Watson, the co-author of the guide asking him if
there is a specific reason he mentions this technique. Maybe I'll learn
something new after all!
--
Shawn
'69 Corvette 427 4-Speed
'69 Chevelle SS 396 4-Speed
'69 Charger R/T 383 4-Speed
'67 Chevy C-10 3-On The Tree
'00 Suzuki GSX-R 750 1-Down, 5-Up


 
On Sep 27, 2006, at 8:10 AM, Pelle Chevelle wrote:


Guess
I was right from the beginning then :-/
Or
have I misunderstood the guide?
 
http://www.2quicknovas.com/happytiming.html
 
Pelle
 









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Skickat: den 27 september 2006
14:05
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Ämne: Re: [Chevelle-list] Timing?
 
Never heard of that guide, and never heard of setting timing in drive. When you
set initial timing with the distributor hooked up, it won't make any difference
what gear the transmission is in. It is a simple relationship of the firing
mark for the #1 cylinder to top dead center of #1 cylinder. Engine load or even
speed (not taking into account for distributor advance weights) will not change
that relationship.
 Does the guide give any reason why it needs to be in drive? What do they
suggest for a manual car?
On Sep 27, 2006, at 7:56 AM, Pelle Chevelle wrote:



I
read the “Watson guide to happy timing” and the stated that the timing should
be set in Drive!?
 
Pelle
 









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You should set initial timing with the car at operating temperature and in
park. Make sure you disconnect the distributor and plug the vacuum port on the
carb.
--
Shawn
'69 Corvette 427 4-Speed
'69 Chevelle SS 396 4-Speed
'69 Charger R/T 383 4-Speed
'67 Chevy C-10 3-On The Tree
'00 Suzuki GSX-R 750 1-Down, 5-Up




 
On Sep 27, 2006, at 7:34 AM, Pelle Chevelle wrote:






 

Re: [Chevelle-list] LT1 Engine

[Brad Waller]

Dan,

The reverse-flow setup almost guarantees you have a modern LT1 (1992-1997)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_LT_engine 

Have fun with it if you get it!

Brad Waller ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

'66 Corvette | 327/dead | 4-speed | Wilwood Brakes | 245/45/16 BFG R1
'67 Chevelle | ex-SS396 | 355/700R4 | F-Body Brakes | 275/40/17 Kumho MX

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Mascheck
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 4:46 PM
> To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] LT1 Engine
> 
> Brad,
> 
> I won't know about the carb VS. injection for two weeks. I 
> have seen the
> truck from a short distance, but never thought the doctor 
> would offer it. I
> have a meeting in Memphis all next week, so it will be the 
> following week
> before I can check it out. I have a mechanic friend that's 
> working on my 72
> Chevelle, and I plan on taking him with me to check it out. 
> The price is
> good. It has huge rear wheels. The LT1, I was told, had a 
> reverse flow water
> pump to cool the heads first, allowing higher compression 
> rates, keeping
> them from having pre-detonation problems. The water pump runs off of a
> linkage to the cam. Different for me!
> 
> I had a call from Edinburg and was told they have a 66 or 67 
> Chevelle SS for
> sale, and I'm waiting for a price and the specs. Seems deals 
> are coming out
> of the wall!
> 
> Thanks!
> 
>   Dan Mascheck
>   Wharton, TX
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Brad Waller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 5:41 PM
> To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] LT1 Engine
> 
> Tha was going to be my question.  Does it have a carburetor or Fuel
> Injection?  Both are great, but the modern ones will need a 
> computer and the
> old ones need good gas!
> 
> Brad Waller
> '67 Chevelle, '66 Corvette 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Clint Hooper
> > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 2:47 PM
> > To: The Chevelle Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] LT1 Engine
> > 
> > 1970-73 LT-1 or 1992-96 LT1? Either one would be a 
> desireable engine.
> > Clint Hooper
> > H&H Custom,owner
> > 1969 El Camino protourer
> > http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
> > http://www.lateral-g.net/members/hooper/
> > "You may find me dead one day in a ditch. But by God,you'll 
> > find me in a
> > pile of brass."
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Dan Mascheck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 
> > 
> > > I have a chance to buy a 1946 Chevy truck with a LT1 
> > Corvette Engine. Does
> > > anyone know if it's a decent engine or should it be thrown away?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Chevelle-list] Timing?

[Pelle Andersson]

I'll try that!
 
Right now I'm "all over the place" & need to 
recond my carb first.
As my father used to say "first things first" 
;-)
There's a lot of stuff that's been unattended since 
70's and if I change one thing
another one is bound to break, you know "the 
weakest link", "chain reaction" type scenario!?
I'm having a hard time keeping up with her needs 
(like my GF) ;-)
 
Pelle

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Matthew Post 
  
  To: The Chevelle Mailing List 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 5:24 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 
Timing?
  What I have always done when adjusting the timing for auto. 
  cars is to set the idle in park at the speed you want it in drive.  Set 
  the timing at the "in drive" idle speed while the car is safely in park.  
  Also adjust the idle mixture this way.  Then, increase the idle speed 
  enough to get the desired idle when you drop it in to drive. 
  -MattAt 07:46 AM 9/27/2006, you wrote:
  At 
first I did the timing as you described (in neutral/park) and I adjusted it 
to approx 12*.That’s the way I’ve always done it before until I read 
that “Watson guide” and thought maybe…I had problems with the engine 
stalling when I put in drive which got better when I adjusted the timing 
“The Watson way”.I checked the timing with the car “in drive” and It 
actually changes, quite a lot, 10-15*!I had all vacuum plugged & did 
it “by the book” both times except for the neutral vs drive adjustment 
procedure.Maybe it’s the centrifugal advance that’s haunting me? When 
the RPM drops the advance drops too much and it stalls? I’ll 
double check the timing again and compare the difference between 
drive/neutral adj. procedure. Pelle


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PriceSkickat: den 27 september 2006 14:31Till: The 
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Timing? Well, the 
guide looks good for the most part, but honestly, try this test with the 
vacuum advance disconnected and plugged... Set your initial timing (around 
12* BTDC) with the car in park or neutral. Then have someone sit in the car 
hold the brake and put it in gear, and check the timing again. If the timing 
has changed let me know, I'll be surprised. I also sent an 
email to Craig Watson, the co-author of the guide asking him if there is a 
specific reason he mentions this technique. Maybe I'll learn something new 
after all!--Shawn'69 Corvette 427 4-Speed'69 Chevelle SS 396 
4-Speed'69 Charger R/T 383 4-Speed'67 Chevy C-10 3-On The 
Tree'00 Suzuki GSX-R 750 1-Down, 5-Up On Sep 27, 2006, at 8:10 AM, Pelle 
Chevelle wrote:Guess I was 
right from the beginning then :-/Or 
have I misunderstood the guide? http://www.2quicknovas.com/happytiming.html Pelle 


Från: 
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PriceSkickat: den 27 september 2006 14:05Till: The 
Chevelle Mailing ListÄmne: Re: [Chevelle-list] 
Timing? Never heard 
of that guide, and never heard of setting timing in drive. When you set 
initial timing with the distributor hooked up, it won't make any difference 
what gear the transmission is in. It is a simple relationship of the firing 
mark for the #1 cylinder to top dead center of #1 cylinder. Engine load or 
even speed (not taking into account for distributor advance weights) will 
not change that relationship. Does the guide give any reason why it 
needs to be in drive? What do they suggest for a manual car?On Sep 27, 
2006, at 7:56 AM, Pelle Chevelle wrote:I read the “Watson guide to happy timing” and the 
stated that the timing should be set in 
Drive!? Pelle 


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PriceSkickat: den 27 september 2006 13:46Till: The 
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Timing? You should 
set initial timing with the car at operating temperature and in park. Make 
sure you disconnect the distributor and plug the vacuum port on the 
carb.--Shawn'69 
Corvette 427 4-Speed'69 Chevelle SS 396 4-Speed'69 Charger R/T 383 
4-Speed'67 Chevy C-10 3-On The Tree'00 Suzuki GSX-R 750 1-Down, 
5-Up On Sep 27, 2006, at 7:34 AM, Pelle 
Chevelle wrote: 

[Chevelle-list] Fwd: GM Dealer number???????

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

I just recently received a production / build sheet pertaining to my 
Canadian built Chevelle, from GM of Canada vintage records service. 
They were able to provide all the information from my vin # about the 
cars production date and option codes. They even provide dealer shipped 
to information. This however is by dealer number, not by name or city. 
The dealer number I was given is  U.S. Dealer code # 12469. Can anyone 
help with locating an actual Name and address ??


Thanks: George 69sofine.


- End forwarded message -

Re: [Chevelle-list] Timing?

[Matthew Post]

What I have always done when adjusting the timing for auto. cars is to
set the idle in park at the speed you want it in drive.  Set the
timing at the "in drive" idle speed while the car is safely in
park.  Also adjust the idle mixture this way.  Then, increase
the idle speed enough to get the desired idle when you drop it in to
drive.  
-Matt
At 07:46 AM 9/27/2006, you wrote:
At
first I did the timing as you described (in neutral/park) and I adjusted
it to approx 12*.
That’s the way I’ve always done it before until I read that “Watson
guide” and thought maybe…
I had problems with the engine stalling when I put in drive which got
better when I adjusted the timing “The Watson way”.
I checked the timing with the car “in drive” and It actually changes,
quite a lot, 10-15*!
I had all vacuum plugged & did it “by the book” both times except for
the neutral vs drive adjustment procedure.
Maybe it’s the centrifugal advance that’s haunting me? When the RPM drops
the advance drops too much and it stalls?
 
I’ll double check the timing again and compare the difference between
drive/neutral adj. procedure.
 
Pelle


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Well, the guide looks good for the most part, but honestly, try this test
with the vacuum advance disconnected and plugged... Set your initial
timing (around 12* BTDC) with the car in park or neutral. Then have
someone sit in the car hold the brake and put it in gear, and check the
timing again. If the timing has changed let me know, I'll be
surprised.
 
I also sent an email to Craig Watson, the co-author of the guide asking
him if there is a specific reason he mentions this technique. Maybe I'll
learn something new after all!
--
Shawn
'69 Corvette 427 4-Speed
'69 Chevelle SS 396 4-Speed
'69 Charger R/T 383 4-Speed
'67 Chevy C-10 3-On The Tree
'00 Suzuki GSX-R 750 1-Down, 5-Up

 
On Sep 27, 2006, at 8:10 AM, Pelle Chevelle wrote:

Guess I was right from the beginning
then :-/
Or have I misunderstood the guide?
 

http://www.2quicknovas.com/happytiming.html
 
Pelle
 


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Never heard of that guide, and never heard of setting timing in drive.
When you set initial timing with the distributor hooked up, it won't make
any difference what gear the transmission is in. It is a simple
relationship of the firing mark for the #1 cylinder to top dead center of
#1 cylinder. Engine load or even speed (not taking into account for
distributor advance weights) will not change that relationship.
 Does the guide give any reason why it needs to be in drive? What do
they suggest for a manual car?
On Sep 27, 2006, at 7:56 AM, Pelle Chevelle wrote:

I read the “Watson guide to happy
timing” and the stated that the timing should be set in Drive!?
 
Pelle
 


Från:

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You should set initial timing with the car at operating temperature and
in park. Make sure you disconnect the distributor and plug the vacuum
port on the carb.
--
Shawn
'69 Corvette 427 4-Speed
'69 Chevelle SS 396 4-Speed
'69 Charger R/T 383 4-Speed
'67 Chevy C-10 3-On The Tree
'00 Suzuki GSX-R 750 1-Down, 5-Up


 
On Sep 27, 2006, at 7:34 AM, Pelle Chevelle wrote:



 

Re: [Chevelle-list] Timing?

[Pelle Chevelle]

At first I did the timing as you described
(in neutral/park) and I adjusted it to approx 12*.

That’s the way I’ve always
done it before until I read that “Watson guide” and thought maybe…

I had problems with the engine stalling
when I put in drive which got better when I adjusted the timing “The
Watson way”.

I checked the timing with the car “in
drive” and It actually changes, quite a lot, 10-15*!

I had all vacuum plugged & did it “by
the book” both times except for the neutral vs drive adjustment
procedure.

Maybe it’s the centrifugal advance
that’s haunting me? When the RPM drops the advance drops too much and it
stalls?

 

I’ll double check the timing again and
compare the difference between drive/neutral adj. procedure.

 

Pelle









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Well, the guide looks good for the most part, but honestly, try this
test with the vacuum advance disconnected and plugged... Set your initial
timing (around 12* BTDC) with the car in park or neutral. Then have someone sit
in the car hold the brake and put it in gear, and check the timing again. If
the timing has changed let me know, I'll be surprised.



 





I also sent an email to Craig Watson, the co-author of the guide asking
him if there is a specific reason he mentions this technique. Maybe I'll learn
something new after all!





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Shawn





'69 Corvette 427
4-Speed





'69 Chevelle SS 396
4-Speed





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On Sep 27, 2006, at 8:10 AM, Pelle Chevelle wrote:









Guess I
was right from the beginning then :-/

Or have I misunderstood
the guide?

 

http://www.2quicknovas.com/happytiming.html

 

Pelle

 









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Never heard of that guide, and never heard
of setting timing in drive. When you set initial timing with the distributor
hooked up, it won't make any difference what gear the transmission is in. It is
a simple relationship of the firing mark for the #1 cylinder to top dead center
of #1 cylinder. Engine load or even speed (not taking into account for
distributor advance weights) will not change that relationship.



 Does the guide give any reason why
it needs to be in drive? What do they suggest for a manual car?





On Sep 27, 2006, at 7:56 AM, Pelle
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I read the
“Watson guide to happy timing” and the stated that the timing
should be set in Drive!?

 

Pelle

 









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You should set initial timing with the car
at operating temperature and in park. Make sure you disconnect the distributor
and plug the vacuum port on the carb.





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Shawn





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On Sep 27, 2006, at 7:34 AM, Pelle
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Re: [Chevelle-list] Timing?

[Shawn Price]

Pelle,I got a response from Craig who co-authored the Watson Guides, and he had this to say:As long as the centrifugal advance isn't adding any advance at your idle speed, its not necessary.  I've seen stock distributors add centrifugal advance at a very low rpm and cause you to not get the initial timing set where you thought it was.  Then you'd drop it in gear and the engine rpm would drop way down and/or die.  Just kind of annoying. I wrote that article a few years ago and had actually forgotten that I suggested setting the timing in gear.  I'll probably go back and change it to say to check the engine idle speed in gear after setting the timing to be sure it still has sufficient idle speed in gear.  Or something along those lines. I haven't set the timing with the car in gear for quite some time myself, so if I don't do it, I shouldn't recommend it to others. Thanks for the reminder! Craig W. --Shawn'69 Corvette 427 4-Speed'69 Chevelle SS 396 4-Speed'69 Charger R/T 383 4-Speed'67 Chevy C-10 3-On The Tree'00 Suzuki GSX-R 750 1-Down, 5-Up On Sep 27, 2006, at 8:30 AM, Shawn Price wrote:Well, the guide looks good for the most part, but honestly, try this test with the vacuum advance disconnected and plugged... Set your initial timing (around 12* BTDC) with the car in park or neutral. Then have someone sit in the car hold the brake and put it in gear, and check the timing again. If the timing has changed let me know, I'll be surprised.I also sent an email to Craig Watson, the co-author of the guide asking him if there is a specific reason he mentions this technique. Maybe I'll learn something new after all! --Shawn'69 Corvette 427 4-Speed'69 Chevelle SS 396 4-Speed'69 Charger R/T 383 4-Speed'67 Chevy C-10 3-On The Tree'00 Suzuki GSX-R 750 1-Down, 5-Up On Sep 27, 2006, at 8:10 AM, Pelle Chevelle wrote:Guess I was right from the beginning then :-/Or have I misunderstood the guide? http://www.2quicknovas.com/happytiming.html Pelle Från: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] För Shawn PriceSkickat: den 27 september 2006 14:05Till: The Chevelle Mailing ListÄmne: Re: [Chevelle-list] Timing? Never heard of that guide, and never heard of setting timing in drive. When you set initial timing with the distributor hooked up, it won't make any difference what gear the transmission is in. It is a simple relationship of the firing mark for the #1 cylinder to top dead center of #1 cylinder. Engine load or even speed (not taking into account for distributor advance weights) will not change that relationship. Does the guide give any reason why it needs to be in drive? What do they suggest for a manual car?On Sep 27, 2006, at 7:56 AM, Pelle Chevelle wrote:I read the “Watson guide to happy timing” and the stated that the timing should be set in Drive!? Pelle Från: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] För Shawn PriceSkickat: den 27 september 2006 13:46Till: The Chevelle Mailing ListÄmne: Re: [Chevelle-list] Timing? You should set initial timing with the car at operating temperature and in park. Make sure you disconnect the distributor and plug the vacuum port on the carb.--Shawn'69 Corvette 427 4-Speed'69 Chevelle SS 396 4-Speed'69 Charger R/T 383 4-Speed'67 Chevy C-10 3-On The Tree'00 Suzuki GSX-R 750 1-Down, 5-Up On Sep 27, 2006, at 7:34 AM, Pelle Chevelle wrote:

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Re: [Chevelle-list] Timing?

[Shawn Price]

Well, the guide looks good for the most part, but honestly, try this test with the vacuum advance disconnected and plugged... Set your initial timing (around 12* BTDC) with the car in park or neutral. Then have someone sit in the car hold the brake and put it in gear, and check the timing again. If the timing has changed let me know, I'll be surprised.I also sent an email to Craig Watson, the co-author of the guide asking him if there is a specific reason he mentions this technique. Maybe I'll learn something new after all! --Shawn'69 Corvette 427 4-Speed'69 Chevelle SS 396 4-Speed'69 Charger R/T 383 4-Speed'67 Chevy C-10 3-On The Tree'00 Suzuki GSX-R 750 1-Down, 5-Up On Sep 27, 2006, at 8:10 AM, Pelle Chevelle wrote:Guess I was right from the beginning then :-/Or have I misunderstood the guide? http://www.2quicknovas.com/happytiming.html Pelle Från: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] För Shawn PriceSkickat: den 27 september 2006 14:05Till: The Chevelle Mailing ListÄmne: Re: [Chevelle-list] Timing? Never heard of that guide, and never heard of setting timing in drive. When you set initial timing with the distributor hooked up, it won't make any difference what gear the transmission is in. It is a simple relationship of the firing mark for the #1 cylinder to top dead center of #1 cylinder. Engine load or even speed (not taking into account for distributor advance weights) will not change that relationship. Does the guide give any reason why it needs to be in drive? What do they suggest for a manual car?On Sep 27, 2006, at 7:56 AM, Pelle Chevelle wrote:I read the “Watson guide to happy timing” and the stated that the timing should be set in Drive!? Pelle Från: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] För Shawn PriceSkickat: den 27 september 2006 13:46Till: The Chevelle Mailing ListÄmne: Re: [Chevelle-list] Timing? You should set initial timing with the car at operating temperature and in park. Make sure you disconnect the distributor and plug the vacuum port on the carb.--Shawn'69 Corvette 427 4-Speed'69 Chevelle SS 396 4-Speed'69 Charger R/T 383 4-Speed'67 Chevy C-10 3-On The Tree'00 Suzuki GSX-R 750 1-Down, 5-Up On Sep 27, 2006, at 7:34 AM, Pelle Chevelle wrote:

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Re: [Chevelle-list] Timing?

[Pelle Chevelle]

Guess I was right from the beginning then
:-/

Or have I misunderstood the guide?

 

http://www.2quicknovas.com/happytiming.html

 

Pelle

 









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Never heard of that guide, and never heard of setting timing in drive.
When you set initial timing with the distributor hooked up, it won't make any
difference what gear the transmission is in. It is a simple relationship of the
firing mark for the #1 cylinder to top dead center of #1 cylinder. Engine load
or even speed (not taking into account for distributor advance weights) will
not change that relationship.



 Does the guide give any reason why it needs to be in drive? What
do they suggest for a manual car?





On Sep 27, 2006, at 7:56 AM, Pelle Chevelle wrote:









I read the
“Watson guide to happy timing” and the stated that the timing should be set in
Drive!?

 

Pelle

 









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You should set initial timing with the car
at operating temperature and in park. Make sure you disconnect the distributor
and plug the vacuum port on the carb.





--





Shawn





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'69 Chevelle SS 396 4-Speed





'69 Charger R/T 383 4-Speed





'67 Chevy C-10 3-On The Tree





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On Sep 27, 2006, at 7:34 AM, Pelle
Chevelle wrote:

Re: [Chevelle-list] Timing?

[Shawn Price]

Never heard of that guide, and never heard of setting timing in drive. When you set initial timing with the distributor hooked up, it won't make any difference what gear the transmission is in. It is a simple relationship of the firing mark for the #1 cylinder to top dead center of #1 cylinder. Engine load or even speed (not taking into account for distributor advance weights) will not change that relationship. Does the guide give any reason why it needs to be in drive? What do they suggest for a manual car?On Sep 27, 2006, at 7:56 AM, Pelle Chevelle wrote:I read the “Watson guide to happy timing” and the stated that the timing should be set in Drive!? Pelle Från: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] För Shawn PriceSkickat: den 27 september 2006 13:46Till: The Chevelle Mailing ListÄmne: Re: [Chevelle-list] Timing? You should set initial timing with the car at operating temperature and in park. Make sure you disconnect the distributor and plug the vacuum port on the carb.--Shawn'69 Corvette 427 4-Speed'69 Chevelle SS 396 4-Speed'69 Charger R/T 383 4-Speed'67 Chevy C-10 3-On The Tree'00 Suzuki GSX-R 750 1-Down, 5-Up On Sep 27, 2006, at 7:34 AM, Pelle Chevelle wrote:  

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Re: [Chevelle-list] Timing?

[Pelle Chevelle]

I read the “Watson guide to happy
timing” and the stated that the timing should be set in Drive!?

 

Pelle

 









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Timing?



 

You should set initial timing with the car at operating temperature and
in park. Make sure you disconnect the distributor and plug the vacuum port on
the carb.





--





Shawn





'69 Corvette 427
4-Speed





'69 Chevelle SS 396
4-Speed





'69 Charger R/T 383
4-Speed





'67 Chevy C-10 3-On
The Tree





'00 Suzuki GSX-R 750
1-Down, 5-Up











 





On Sep 27, 2006, at 7:34 AM, Pelle Chevelle wrote:









 











 

Re: [Chevelle-list] Timing?

[Shawn Price]

You should set initial timing with the car at operating temperature and in park. Make sure you disconnect the distributor and plug the vacuum port on the carb. --Shawn'69 Corvette 427 4-Speed'69 Chevelle SS 396 4-Speed'69 Charger R/T 383 4-Speed'67 Chevy C-10 3-On The Tree'00 Suzuki GSX-R 750 1-Down, 5-Up On Sep 27, 2006, at 7:34 AM, Pelle Chevelle wrote:Should I set the timing with the auto in Neutral or drive?Pelle 

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Re: [Chevelle-list] CAr will absolutely not idle - the sequal

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Title: CAr will absolutely not idle - the sequal










    The
throttle shaft has a history of leaking. A good carb shop can drill out the
base plate and install a bushing to solve the leak. Holley offers this service
and so does JET.

 

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absolutely not idle - the sequal

 

Okay – here
is volume #3 in the saga for the search of the mystery vacuum leak…

Quick recap  - car
runs like crap (350/TH350 combo), have diagnosed it as a vacuum leak somewhere
on the passenger side of the carb base….

I found a thicker carb gasket
at the local parts house and gave that a spin – no luck.  The car
still appears to have a vacuum leak around the base of the carb on the
passenger side where it meets the intake manifold.  A quick spray of carb
cleaner makes the RPM’s spike about 200-300 RPM – so it has been
diagnosed.

I pulled the carb again
tonight and took a good hard look at it again.  The trick kit I installed
did not have a new gasket where the base of the carb attaches to the center
section, so I took a look at that area as well.  The gasket looked as if
it was old, but otherwise in decent shape.  I took a turn on the 4
phillips head machine screws on the bottom of the carb that attach the base to
the main section, and they turned about ¼ of a
turn with very little effort.  I turned the 4 screws, and got 3 of them to
tighten a bit – so that may be where the leak was coming from.

I decided to put a
microscopic layer of RTV (1/16”) on the
carb gasket – one layer between the intake and the gasket, another between the carb
and the gasket.  I did not see any squeeze out, so I should be okay. 
That will dry until tomorrow
evening and I will start the car again and see
what happens.  I also found that the 2” piece of rubber hose that connects
the intake manifold to the lead for the TH350 is less then totally air-tight,
so a trip to the parts house again is in order for tomorrow.  Perhaps I
will block that off tomorrow and see if the engine works better (someone gave
me that advice – may just give it a whirl).

I will let you know how
it turns out.

TJ Ringlein

Clovis California

72 Chevelle, in shambles

Oh – the
car seems to run about 150 RPM higher with the air cleaner on.  So I guess
I get it where it will run okay, and turn down
the idle about ¼ turn before buttoning up the air cleaner.  If there is no
gasket between the air cleaner and the carb – would that cause some
of my engine stumble problems?

[Chevelle-list] Timing?

[Pelle Chevelle]

Should I set the timing
with the auto in Neutral or drive?

Pelle