Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers

[Brad Waller]

I had Hookers for my small block and they were too low.  I ground off 
the bottom bolt from the collector after a few years.  I replaced them 
with Hedman intermediates and they fit and worked pretty well.  Plugs 
are not too much trouble - for headers.  I did need to swap my first set 
for another due to a leak at the flange, but Hedman was great about 
giving me a replacement set without first removing the old set.


Brad Waller
'67 Chevelle

Mike Holleman wrote:
Matt, I'm the one that recommended Doug's. I can't compare them to 
Hedmans but they fit much better than Hookers and fit much tighter 
under the car as well. The last two sets I used on Abodys had the 
lowest point above the crossmember. The last set of Hookers I used 
dropped well below the crossmember. And frankly Dougs quality was 
clearly better than Hookers.

Mike
- Original Message - From: "Matthew Post" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers

In your experience, which headers have the best fit?  Hedmans?  
Someone else said Doug's fit good?  My main concern is ground clearance.


-Matt

At 06:34 PM 5/22/2007, Mike Holleman wrote:
I know what your dealing with. I have used Sanderson's on customers 
cars. Ill fit and poor welds. We swapped headers with them on a Nova 
and the second time they failed I just rewelded them myself.

Mike

Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers

[Dale]

Should have mentioned that not only can I not get a socket or wrench on the
two plugs, the 90-degree boots can't even be pulled off or put on the plugs
with headers in place.

Dale


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Herb Lumpp
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:08 PM
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Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers

I can't help with improving the spark plug clearance on your headers, but
these may make life a little easier...

http://www.headersockets.com/

Herb


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 1:16 PM
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Passenger side is fine on mine, just the two on the driver side. As long as
(collectively) they've been making headers for these cars, you'd think they
could extend the tube out away from the head another inch to allow a plug
socket in there.  It's not like there isn't room.

Dale McIntosh
1966/67 Chevelle Reference CDs
ChevelleStuff.com



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Thats the problem I have too Dale...I don't know what brand I have on my 66
with a 327 But...I have to drop the the header to remove the #6
plug...The  #5 is a pretty tight fit but I can manage to get it out...same
as the #1...
John






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Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers

[Herb Lumpp]

I can't help with improving the spark plug clearance on your headers, but
these may make life a little easier...

http://www.headersockets.com/

Herb
 

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Passenger side is fine on mine, just the two on the driver side. As long as
(collectively) they've been making headers for these cars, you'd think they
could extend the tube out away from the head another inch to allow a plug
socket in there.  It's not like there isn't room. 

Dale McIntosh
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Thats the problem I have too Dale...I don't know what brand I have on my 66
with a 327 But...I have to drop the the header to remove the #6
plug...The  #5 is a pretty tight fit but I can manage to get it out...same
as the #1...
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Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers

[Chuck Hanson]

Hey Mike,
Try the Hedman Elite shorties.  PN: 500-68618   I put 'em on my '72 "Silver
Bullet" wagon (502w/Richmond five-speed) and they worked great... cleared
the clutch linkage and gave me plenty of ground clearance.  The tubing was
heavy 14-gauge and the head flange was a full 3/8-inch thick, so no warpage,
plus they come already ceramic-coated.  Plug clearance, as I recall was
pretty good, but then I think with most BBC headers (regardless of the
manufacturer) it's not as problematic as with the SBC applications.  Seems I
paid about $300 for the set.  HTH!

Chuck



on 5/23/07 5:10 PM, Michael Pell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> The Hooker Comps actually fit great on my '69.  They just hang way too
> low.  I have stock ride height, with 3.5" of clearance under the
> collector flange.
> I drag them driving down my level driveway with minimal ruts in the gravel.
> I'm with Dale, I'm about ready to go back to manifolds.
> 
> I'd try Doug's or anyone else, but no one else makes a
> shortie/intermediate for a '69 with BBC and manual trans.
> 
> Mike
> 
> --
> I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there
> isn't, Than live my
> life as if there isn't, And die to find out there is. -Blaise Pascal
> 
> Check out my webpage at http://www.ProStreetCar.com
> TREMEC Distributor at http://www.5speedTransmissions.com
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> Hoosier State Chevelle Assoc (http://www.IndianaChevelles.com) #6
> 
> 
> 
> Matthew Post wrote:
> 
>> In your experience, which headers have the best fit?  Hedmans?
>> Someone else said Doug's fit good?  My main concern is ground clearance.
>> 
>> -Matt
>> 
>> At 06:34 PM 5/22/2007, Mike Holleman wrote:
>> 
>>> I know what your dealing with. I have used Sanderson's on customers
>>> cars. Ill fit and poor welds. We swapped headers with them on a Nova
>>> and the second time they failed I just rewelded them myself.
>>> Mike
>>> - Original Message - From: "Michael Pell"
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:12 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers
>>> 
>>> 
 I have the BB3 intermediates.  I'd say, don't bother.  Just return
 them.
 
 Mike H.  I have a BBC Chevelle with manual trans, and I want the
 'shorty'/intermediate headers.  Hedman and Sanderson are the only 2
 headers I know of that will fit.Oops, make that "Hedman is the
 only ones I think will will fit".
 
 AGG!!!
 
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 out there isn't, Than live my
 life as if there isn't, And die to find out there is. -Blaise Pascal
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 TREMEC Distributor at http://www.5speedTransmissions.com
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 Matthew Post wrote:
 
> I'm also having an issue with Sanderson headers for my BBC.  They
> bolt up okay, but the passenger side header rubs the frame.
> Usually the passenger side slides right in and the driver's side is
> the tight one!  I was going to exchange the long tube for their
> intermediate ones, but now I don't know if I should bother.
> 
> Matt
> 
> At 03:59 PM 5/22/2007, Michael Pell wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Has anyone ever actually bolted on a set of Sanderson 
>> headers?
>> Of 5 sets for a BBC that I know of, not a single set will bolt up
>> to a a BBC.
>> That's 0 for 5   aaahh!!   My first set would not
>> bolt on.  Called Sanderson, talked to the owner.  She (yes, she)
>> started giving me some lame excuses for why it might not bolt on.
>> I don't care about your quality issues...  She said they'll send
>> me a new set;  test fitted to ensure they will work for me.2
>> week later, I call to inqure as the whereabouts of my new set.
>> Jeremy says, " we only had 3 sets on hand, and 2 of the sets would
>> not bolt on to a set of heads; the 'good' set will ship out
>> today".  Why 2 weeks later on the day I call to inquire?  and why
>> would 3 of 4 sets not bolt up?  Junk, that's why!
>> 
>> So I get them, finally, nearly 3 weeks later.   Tonight I test fit
>> one one.  NOT!  Stupid junk crap still won't bolt on.   42 years
>> of the same bolt pattern; same head, same, same same!  arrrgghhh!
>> I've spent $500.00 and wasted 2 months on these headers.
>> 
>> How hard is it to bolt up to a 40+ year old design?  I could build
>> a flange myself that would bolt up, with a hand drill!
>> 
>> I guess I get to grind and cut on a brand new set of coated
>> headers..   AAGGHHH!!!
>> 
>> I'm wishing I would've saved time and money and frustration, and
>> boug

Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers

[Dennis.McGillis]

Agreed.  When bolting a 350 GMPP crate motor in my '65 SS the original cast 
manifolds were the easiest thing to use, particularly for mounting the 
original alternator and A/C compressor.  When I was 21 years old and wanted 
the fastest car in my neighborhood, headers would be mandatory, but since I 
was 21 in 1965 it is less important now.

Dennis McGillis
1965 Chevelle Malibu SS-350

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Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers


I use what Gm provided. No problems after 40 years. Yeah, get headers and 
headaches. I have to laugh as I go out crusing every nite, while some post 
problems on this site. Am I missing somtthing? gm66

Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers

[Larry Williams]

I had to grind my Hooker Super Comp flanges to clear the ARP head bolts 
on the Edlebrock RPMs on my BB.


Larry Willimas


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I use what Gm provided. No problems after 40 years. Yeah, get headers and 
headaches. I have to laugh as I go out crusing every nite, while some post 
problems on this site. Am I missing somtthing? gm66

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Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:27:44 EDT

hooker works for me   




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Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers

[gm66]

 I use what Gm provided. No problems after 40 years. Yeah, get headers and 
headaches. I have to laugh as I go out crusing every nite, while some post 
problems on this site. Am I missing somtthing? gm66

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Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:27:44 EDT

hooker works for me   




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Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers

[Matthew Post]

I thought I saw shorties for a BBC on Doug's site, but I could be 
wrong.  Check out D306 in their catalog.


http://www.pertronix.com/downloads/dougs05.pdf

At 04:10 PM 5/23/2007, Michael Pell wrote:
The Hooker Comps actually fit great on my '69.  They just hang way 
too low.  I have stock ride height, with 3.5" of clearance under the 
collector flange.

I drag them driving down my level driveway with minimal ruts in the gravel.
I'm with Dale, I'm about ready to go back to manifolds.

I'd try Doug's or anyone else, but no one else makes a 
shortie/intermediate for a '69 with BBC and manual trans.


Mike

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out there isn't, Than live my

 life as if there isn't, And die to find out there is. -Blaise Pascal

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Matthew Post wrote:


In your experience, which headers have the best fit?  Hedmans?
Someone else said Doug's fit good?  My main concern is ground clearance.

-Matt

At 06:34 PM 5/22/2007, Mike Holleman wrote:

I know what your dealing with. I have used Sanderson's on 
customers cars. Ill fit and poor welds. We swapped headers with 
them on a Nova and the second time they failed I just rewelded them myself.

Mike
- Original Message - From: "Michael Pell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers


I have the BB3 intermediates.  I'd say, don't bother.  Just 
return them.


Mike H.  I have a BBC Chevelle with manual trans, and I want the 
'shorty'/intermediate headers.  Hedman and Sanderson are the only 
2 headers I know of that will fit.Oops, make that "Hedman is 
the only ones I think will will fit".


AGG!!!

--
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find out there isn't, Than live my

 life as if there isn't, And die to find out there is. -Blaise Pascal
 Check out my webpage at http://www.ProStreetCar.com
 TREMEC Distributor at http://www.5speedTransmissions.com
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Matthew Post wrote:

I'm also having an issue with Sanderson headers for my 
BBC.  They bolt up okay, but the passenger side header rubs the frame.
Usually the passenger side slides right in and the driver's side 
is the tight one!  I was going to exchange the long tube for 
their intermediate ones, but now I don't know if I should bother.


Matt

At 03:59 PM 5/22/2007, Michael Pell wrote:




Has anyone ever actually bolted on a set of Sanderson 
headers?
Of 5 sets for a BBC that I know of, not a single set will bolt 
up to a a BBC.
That's 0 for 5   aaahh!!   My first set would 
not bolt on.  Called Sanderson, talked to the owner.  She (yes, 
she) started giving me some lame excuses for why it might not bolt on.
I don't care about your quality issues...  She said they'll 
send me a new set;  test fitted to ensure they will work for 
me.2 week later, I call to inqure as the whereabouts of my new set.
Jeremy says, " we only had 3 sets on hand, and 2 of the sets 
would not bolt on to a set of heads; the 'good' set will ship 
out today".  Why 2 weeks later on the day I call to 
inquire?  and why would 3 of 4 sets not bolt up?  Junk, that's why!


So I get them, finally, nearly 3 weeks later.   Tonight I test 
fit one one.  NOT!  Stupid junk crap still won't bolt on.   42 
years of the same bolt pattern; same head, same, same same!  arrrgghhh!

I've spent $500.00 and wasted 2 months on these headers.

How hard is it to bolt up to a 40+ year old design?  I could 
build a flange myself that would bolt up, with a hand drill!


I guess I get to grind and cut on a brand new set of coated 
headers..   AAGGHHH!!!


I'm wishing I would've saved time and money and frustration, 
and bought a set of Hedman's...


A buddy of mine has the same set of headers... same problem, 
will not bolt up .  That's 5 of 5 sets.   Stupid junk 
crap.  I'm going to look for the 'made in Taiwan' sticker.




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Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers

[Michael Pell]

The Hooker Comps actually fit great on my '69.  They just hang way too 
low.  I have stock ride height, with 3.5" of clearance under the 
collector flange.

I drag them driving down my level driveway with minimal ruts in the gravel.
I'm with Dale, I'm about ready to go back to manifolds.

I'd try Doug's or anyone else, but no one else makes a 
shortie/intermediate for a '69 with BBC and manual trans.


Mike

--
 I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there 
isn't, Than live my
 life as if there isn't, And die to find out there is. -Blaise Pascal
 
 Check out my webpage at http://www.ProStreetCar.com

 TREMEC Distributor at http://www.5speedTransmissions.com
 Team Chevelle member #1778 (Gold),  ACES member #1377
 Hoosier State Chevelle Assoc (http://www.IndianaChevelles.com) #6



Matthew Post wrote:

In your experience, which headers have the best fit?  Hedmans?  
Someone else said Doug's fit good?  My main concern is ground clearance.


-Matt

At 06:34 PM 5/22/2007, Mike Holleman wrote:

I know what your dealing with. I have used Sanderson's on customers 
cars. Ill fit and poor welds. We swapped headers with them on a Nova 
and the second time they failed I just rewelded them myself.

Mike
- Original Message - From: "Michael Pell" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers


I have the BB3 intermediates.  I'd say, don't bother.  Just return 
them.


Mike H.  I have a BBC Chevelle with manual trans, and I want the 
'shorty'/intermediate headers.  Hedman and Sanderson are the only 2 
headers I know of that will fit.Oops, make that "Hedman is the 
only ones I think will will fit".


AGG!!!

--
 I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find 
out there isn't, Than live my

 life as if there isn't, And die to find out there is. -Blaise Pascal
 Check out my webpage at http://www.ProStreetCar.com
 TREMEC Distributor at http://www.5speedTransmissions.com
 Team Chevelle member #1778 (Gold),  ACES member #1377
 Hoosier State Chevelle Assoc (http://www.IndianaChevelles.com) #6



Matthew Post wrote:

I'm also having an issue with Sanderson headers for my BBC.  They 
bolt up okay, but the passenger side header rubs the frame.  
Usually the passenger side slides right in and the driver's side is 
the tight one!  I was going to exchange the long tube for their 
intermediate ones, but now I don't know if I should bother.


Matt

At 03:59 PM 5/22/2007, Michael Pell wrote:




Has anyone ever actually bolted on a set of Sanderson   
headers?
Of 5 sets for a BBC that I know of, not a single set will bolt up 
to a a BBC.
That's 0 for 5   aaahh!!   My first set would not 
bolt on.  Called Sanderson, talked to the owner.  She (yes, she) 
started giving me some lame excuses for why it might not bolt on.  
I don't care about your quality issues...  She said they'll send 
me a new set;  test fitted to ensure they will work for me.2 
week later, I call to inqure as the whereabouts of my new set.   
Jeremy says, " we only had 3 sets on hand, and 2 of the sets would 
not bolt on to a set of heads; the 'good' set will ship out 
today".  Why 2 weeks later on the day I call to inquire?  and why 
would 3 of 4 sets not bolt up?  Junk, that's why!


So I get them, finally, nearly 3 weeks later.   Tonight I test fit 
one one.  NOT!  Stupid junk crap still won't bolt on.   42 years 
of the same bolt pattern; same head, same, same same!  arrrgghhh!  
I've spent $500.00 and wasted 2 months on these headers.


How hard is it to bolt up to a 40+ year old design?  I could build 
a flange myself that would bolt up, with a hand drill!


I guess I get to grind and cut on a brand new set of coated 
headers..   AAGGHHH!!!


I'm wishing I would've saved time and money and frustration, and 
bought a set of Hedman's...


A buddy of mine has the same set of headers... same problem, will 
not bolt up .  That's 5 of 5 sets.   Stupid junk crap.  I'm going 
to look for the 'made in Taiwan' sticker.




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Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers

[Mike Holleman]

I have not used Doug Thorleys, only Dougs. Not sure about differences.
Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Matthew Post" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" ; "The Chevelle 
Mailing List" 

Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers


Just to clarify my question, there are 2 companies now, but are their 
products the same?  Is one better than the other for any reason?  Just 
curious.


Thanks,
Matt

At 02:24 PM 5/23/2007, Matthew Post wrote:

Thanks for all the responses.

I noticed by searching Google that there is a Doug's Headers and a Doug 
Thorley Headers.  Some of the header pics look like the same thing.  Are 
they the same?  Maybe this has to do with the divorce someone mentioned?


At 09:34 AM 5/23/2007, Mike Holleman wrote:
Matt, I'm the one that recommended Doug's. I can't compare them to 
Hedmans but they fit much better than Hookers and fit much tighter under 
the car as well. The last two sets I used on Abodys had the lowest point 
above the crossmember. The last set of Hookers I used dropped well below 
the crossmember. And frankly Dougs quality was clearly better than 
Hookers.

Mike
- Original Message - From: "Matthew Post" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers


In your experience, which headers have the best fit?  Hedmans?  Someone 
else said Doug's fit good?  My main concern is ground clearance.


-Matt

At 06:34 PM 5/22/2007, Mike Holleman wrote:
I know what your dealing with. I have used Sanderson's on customers 
cars. Ill fit and poor welds. We swapped headers with them on a Nova 
and the second time they failed I just rewelded them myself.

Mike
- Original Message - From: "Michael Pell" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers


I have the BB3 intermediates.  I'd say, don't bother.  Just return 
them.


Mike H.  I have a BBC Chevelle with manual trans, and I want the 
'shorty'/intermediate headers.  Hedman and Sanderson are the only 2 
headers I know of that will fit.Oops, make that "Hedman is the 
only ones I think will will fit".


AGG!!!

--
 I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find 
out there isn't, Than live my

 life as if there isn't, And die to find out there is. -Blaise Pascal
 Check out my webpage at http://www.ProStreetCar.com
 TREMEC Distributor at http://www.5speedTransmissions.com
 Team Chevelle member #1778 (Gold),  ACES member #1377
 Hoosier State Chevelle Assoc (http://www.IndianaChevelles.com) #6



Matthew Post wrote:

I'm also having an issue with Sanderson headers for my BBC.  They 
bolt up okay, but the passenger side header rubs the frame.  Usually 
the passenger side slides right in and the driver's side is the tight 
one! I was going to exchange the long tube for their intermediate 
ones, but now I don't know if I should bother.


Matt

At 03:59 PM 5/22/2007, Michael Pell wrote:




Has anyone ever actually bolted on a set of Sanderson  
headers?
Of 5 sets for a BBC that I know of, not a single set will bolt up to 
a a BBC.
That's 0 for 5   aaahh!!   My first set would not 
bolt on.  Called Sanderson, talked to the owner.  She (yes, she) 
started giving me some lame excuses for why it might not bolt on.  I 
don't care about your quality issues...  She said they'll send me a 
new set;  test fitted to ensure they will work for me.2 week 
later, I call to inqure as the whereabouts of my new set.   Jeremy 
says, " we only had 3 sets on hand, and 2 of the sets would not bolt 
on to a set of heads; the 'good' set will ship out today".  Why 2 
weeks later on the day I call to inquire?  and why would 3 of 4 sets 
not bolt up?  Junk, that's why!


So I get them, finally, nearly 3 weeks later.   Tonight I test fit 
one one.  NOT!  Stupid junk crap still won't bolt on.   42 years of 
the same bolt pattern; same head, same, same same!  arrrgghhh!  I've 
spent $500.00 and wasted 2 months on these headers.


How hard is it to bolt up to a 40+ year old design?  I could build a 
flange myself that would bolt up, with a hand drill!


I guess I get to grind and cut on a brand new set of coated 
headers..   AAGGHHH!!!


I'm wishing I would've saved time and money and frustration, and 
bought a set of Hedman's...


A buddy of mine has the same set of headers... same problem, will 
not bolt up .  That's 5 of 5 sets.   Stupid junk crap.  I'm going to 
look for the 'made in Taiwan' sticker.




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out there isn't, Than live my
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Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers

[Mike Holleman]

Dale, I haven't used Dougs on a small block, so I don't know. My 327 in my 
Elky has Hooker super comps and the spark plugs are fairly easy. Two plugs 
are behind tubes, so a wrench has to be used instead of a socket. Once I 
break them loose I can get them in and out with my fingers. On a 502 I just 
installed in a 66 Chevelle I used Dougs with no issues with the plugs.

Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Dale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "'The Chevelle Mailing List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers



How are the Doug's or Hedmans on spark plug access?  I have some brand (on
the car when I bought it) on my 67 SBC El Camino and two plugs (1 and 5) 
are

impossible to get to without unbolting the collector and dropping the
header.  Makes it a pain when the alternator & power steering have to be
removed as well.

I'm not particularly interested in a 'performance' gain, just access to
plugs without having to take stuff off. I'm almost ready to go back to 
stock

manifolds.

Dale McIntosh
1966/67 Chevelle Reference CDs
ChevelleStuff.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Holleman
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:35 AM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers

Matt, I'm the one that recommended Doug's. I can't compare them to Hedmans
but they fit much better than Hookers and fit much tighter under the car 
as

well. The last two sets I used on Abodys had the lowest point above the
crossmember. The last set of Hookers I used dropped well below the
crossmember. And frankly Dougs quality was clearly better than Hookers.
Mike
- Original Message -
From: "Matthew Post" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers



In your experience, which headers have the best fit?  Hedmans?  Someone
else said Doug's fit good?  My main concern is ground clearance.

-Matt

At 06:34 PM 5/22/2007, Mike Holleman wrote:

I know what your dealing with. I have used Sanderson's on customers cars.
Ill fit and poor welds. We swapped headers with them on a Nova and the
second time they failed I just rewelded them myself.
Mike
- Original Message - From: "Michael Pell"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers



I have the BB3 intermediates.  I'd say, don't bother.  Just return
them.

Mike H.  I have a BBC Chevelle with manual trans, and I want the
'shorty'/intermediate headers.  Hedman and Sanderson are the only 2
headers I know of that will fit.Oops, make that "Hedman is the only
ones I think will will fit".

AGG!!!

--
 I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out
there isn't, Than live my
 life as if there isn't, And die to find out there is. -Blaise Pascal
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Matthew Post wrote:


I'm also having an issue with Sanderson headers for my BBC.  They bolt
up okay, but the passenger side header rubs the frame.  Usually the
passenger side slides right in and the driver's side is the tight one!
I was going to exchange the long tube for their intermediate ones, but
now I don't know if I should bother.

Matt

At 03:59 PM 5/22/2007, Michael Pell wrote:




Has anyone ever actually bolted on a set of Sanderson   headers?
Of 5 sets for a BBC that I know of, not a single set will bolt up to a
a BBC.
That's 0 for 5   aaahh!!   My first set would not bolt
on.  Called Sanderson, talked to the owner.  She (yes, she) started
giving me some lame excuses for why it might not bolt on.  I don't 
care
about your quality issues...  She said they'll send me a new set; 
test

fitted to ensure they will work for me.2 week later, I call to
inqure as the whereabouts of my new set.   Jeremy says, " we only had 
3

sets on hand, and 2 of the sets would not bolt on to a set of heads;
the 'good' set will ship out today".  Why 2 weeks later on the day I
call to inquire?  and why would 3 of 4 sets not bolt up?  Junk, that's
why!

So I get them, finally, nearly 3 weeks later.   Tonight I test fit one
one.  NOT!  Stupid junk crap still won't bolt on.   42 years of the
same bolt pattern; same head, same, same same!  arrrgghhh!  I've spent
$500.00 and wasted 2 months on these headers.

How hard is it to bolt up to a 40+ year old design?  I could build a
flange myself that would bolt up, with a hand drill!

I guess I get to grind and cut on a brand new set of coated
headers..   AAGGHHH!!!

I'm wishing I would've saved time and money and frustration, and 
bought

a set of Hedman's...

A buddy of mine

Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers

[Matthew Post]

Just to clarify my question, there are 2 companies now, but are their 
products the same?  Is one better than the other for any reason?  Just curious.


Thanks,
Matt

At 02:24 PM 5/23/2007, Matthew Post wrote:

Thanks for all the responses.

I noticed by searching Google that there is a Doug's Headers and a 
Doug Thorley Headers.  Some of the header pics look like the same 
thing.  Are they the same?  Maybe this has to do with the divorce 
someone mentioned?


At 09:34 AM 5/23/2007, Mike Holleman wrote:
Matt, I'm the one that recommended Doug's. I can't compare them to 
Hedmans but they fit much better than Hookers and fit much tighter 
under the car as well. The last two sets I used on Abodys had the 
lowest point above the crossmember. The last set of Hookers I used 
dropped well below the crossmember. And frankly Dougs quality was 
clearly better than Hookers.

Mike
- Original Message - From: "Matthew Post" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers


In your experience, which headers have the best 
fit?  Hedmans?  Someone else said Doug's fit good?  My main 
concern is ground clearance.


-Matt

At 06:34 PM 5/22/2007, Mike Holleman wrote:
I know what your dealing with. I have used Sanderson's on 
customers cars. Ill fit and poor welds. We swapped headers with 
them on a Nova and the second time they failed I just rewelded them myself.

Mike
- Original Message - From: "Michael Pell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers


I have the BB3 intermediates.  I'd say, don't bother.  Just 
return them.


Mike H.  I have a BBC Chevelle with manual trans, and I want the 
'shorty'/intermediate headers.  Hedman and Sanderson are the 
only 2 headers I know of that will fit.Oops, make that 
"Hedman is the only ones I think will will fit".


AGG!!!

--
 I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to 
find out there isn't, Than live my

 life as if there isn't, And die to find out there is. -Blaise Pascal
 Check out my webpage at http://www.ProStreetCar.com
 TREMEC Distributor at http://www.5speedTransmissions.com
 Team Chevelle member #1778 (Gold),  ACES member #1377
 Hoosier State Chevelle Assoc (http://www.IndianaChevelles.com) #6



Matthew Post wrote:

I'm also having an issue with Sanderson headers for my 
BBC.  They bolt up okay, but the passenger side header rubs the 
frame.  Usually the passenger side slides right in and the 
driver's side is the tight one! I was going to exchange the 
long tube for their intermediate ones, but now I don't know if I should bother.


Matt

At 03:59 PM 5/22/2007, Michael Pell wrote:




Has anyone ever actually bolted on a set of Sanderson   headers?
Of 5 sets for a BBC that I know of, not a single set will bolt 
up to a a BBC.
That's 0 for 5   aaahh!!   My first set would 
not bolt on.  Called Sanderson, talked to the owner.  She 
(yes, she) started giving me some lame excuses for why it 
might not bolt on.  I don't care about your quality 
issues...  She said they'll send me a new set;  test fitted to 
ensure they will work for me.2 week later, I call to 
inqure as the whereabouts of my new set.   Jeremy says, " we 
only had 3 sets on hand, and 2 of the sets would not bolt on 
to a set of heads; the 'good' set will ship out today".  Why 2 
weeks later on the day I call to inquire?  and why would 3 of 
4 sets not bolt up?  Junk, that's why!


So I get them, finally, nearly 3 weeks later.   Tonight I test 
fit one one.  NOT!  Stupid junk crap still won't bolt on.   42 
years of the same bolt pattern; same head, same, same 
same!  arrrgghhh!  I've spent $500.00 and wasted 2 months on these headers.


How hard is it to bolt up to a 40+ year old design?  I could 
build a flange myself that would bolt up, with a hand drill!


I guess I get to grind and cut on a brand new set of coated 
headers..   AAGGHHH!!!


I'm wishing I would've saved time and money and frustration, 
and bought a set of Hedman's...


A buddy of mine has the same set of headers... same problem, 
will not bolt up .  That's 5 of 5 sets.   Stupid junk 
crap.  I'm going to look for the 'made in Taiwan' sticker.




--
--
 I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to 
find out there isn't, Than live my

 life as if there isn't, And die to find out there is. -Blaise Pascal

 Check out my webpage at http://www.ProStreetCar.com
 TREMEC Distributor at http://www.5speedTransmissions.com
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Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers

[Matthew Post]

Thanks for all the responses.

I noticed by searching Google that there is a Doug's Headers and a 
Doug Thorley Headers.  Some of the header pics look like the same 
thing.  Are they the same?  Maybe this has to do with the divorce 
someone mentioned?


At 09:34 AM 5/23/2007, Mike Holleman wrote:
Matt, I'm the one that recommended Doug's. I can't compare them to 
Hedmans but they fit much better than Hookers and fit much tighter 
under the car as well. The last two sets I used on Abodys had the 
lowest point above the crossmember. The last set of Hookers I used 
dropped well below the crossmember. And frankly Dougs quality was 
clearly better than Hookers.

Mike
- Original Message - From: "Matthew Post" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers


In your experience, which headers have the best 
fit?  Hedmans?  Someone else said Doug's fit good?  My main concern 
is ground clearance.


-Matt

At 06:34 PM 5/22/2007, Mike Holleman wrote:
I know what your dealing with. I have used Sanderson's on 
customers cars. Ill fit and poor welds. We swapped headers with 
them on a Nova and the second time they failed I just rewelded them myself.

Mike
- Original Message - From: "Michael Pell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers


I have the BB3 intermediates.  I'd say, don't bother.  Just 
return them.


Mike H.  I have a BBC Chevelle with manual trans, and I want the 
'shorty'/intermediate headers.  Hedman and Sanderson are the only 
2 headers I know of that will fit.Oops, make that "Hedman is 
the only ones I think will will fit".


AGG!!!

--
 I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to 
find out there isn't, Than live my

 life as if there isn't, And die to find out there is. -Blaise Pascal
 Check out my webpage at http://www.ProStreetCar.com
 TREMEC Distributor at http://www.5speedTransmissions.com
 Team Chevelle member #1778 (Gold),  ACES member #1377
 Hoosier State Chevelle Assoc (http://www.IndianaChevelles.com) #6



Matthew Post wrote:

I'm also having an issue with Sanderson headers for my 
BBC.  They bolt up okay, but the passenger side header rubs the 
frame.  Usually the passenger side slides right in and the 
driver's side is the tight one! I was going to exchange the long 
tube for their intermediate ones, but now I don't know if I should bother.


Matt

At 03:59 PM 5/22/2007, Michael Pell wrote:




Has anyone ever actually bolted on a set of Sanderson   headers?
Of 5 sets for a BBC that I know of, not a single set will bolt 
up to a a BBC.
That's 0 for 5   aaahh!!   My first set would 
not bolt on.  Called Sanderson, talked to the owner.  She (yes, 
she) started giving me some lame excuses for why it might not 
bolt on.  I don't care about your quality issues...  She said 
they'll send me a new set;  test fitted to ensure they will 
work for me.2 week later, I call to inqure as the 
whereabouts of my new set.   Jeremy says, " we only had 3 sets 
on hand, and 2 of the sets would not bolt on to a set of heads; 
the 'good' set will ship out today".  Why 2 weeks later on the 
day I call to inquire?  and why would 3 of 4 sets not bolt 
up?  Junk, that's why!


So I get them, finally, nearly 3 weeks later.   Tonight I test 
fit one one.  NOT!  Stupid junk crap still won't bolt on.   42 
years of the same bolt pattern; same head, same, same 
same!  arrrgghhh!  I've spent $500.00 and wasted 2 months on these headers.


How hard is it to bolt up to a 40+ year old design?  I could 
build a flange myself that would bolt up, with a hand drill!


I guess I get to grind and cut on a brand new set of coated 
headers..   AAGGHHH!!!


I'm wishing I would've saved time and money and frustration, 
and bought a set of Hedman's...


A buddy of mine has the same set of headers... same problem, 
will not bolt up .  That's 5 of 5 sets.   Stupid junk 
crap.  I'm going to look for the 'made in Taiwan' sticker.




--
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 I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to 
find out there isn't, Than live my

 life as if there isn't, And die to find out there is. -Blaise Pascal

 Check out my webpage at http://www.ProStreetCar.com
 TREMEC Distributor at http://www.5speedTransmissions.com
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Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers

[Rick Schaefer]

 I am using Doug Thorley 375Y headers on a small block.  While tight, I can
get the plugs in & out.  Be aware that there are or were 2 Dougs Headers
companies thanx to a divorce somewhere along the line.

On 5/23/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


hooker works for me





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Rick Schaefer
72 TPI El Camino

Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers

[SS427C4]

hooker works for me   

[Chevelle-list] Decode

[Randy S Johnson]

Everyone,
I hate to abuse the power of the forum, but I'm trying to figure out what 
year engine my 71 chevelle has in it.  I've tried the forums but have 
turned up nothing.  "Elcamino" has been helpful, but we're still at a 
lose.  Here is a website with some pictures of the motor and number etched 
behind the alternator.

http://s200.photobucket.com/albums/aa265/dauber65/

the forum

http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1343346#post1343346

Any extra clues would be appreciated.

Thank You,

Randy S. Johnson

Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers

[John]

I totally agreeI think that they have shares in the gasket companies 
thoughThey seem to get rich off me anyways
John 

Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers

[Dale]

Passenger side is fine on mine, just the two on the driver side. As long as
(collectively) they've been making headers for these cars, you'd think they
could extend the tube out away from the head another inch to allow a plug
socket in there.  It's not like there isn't room. 

Dale McIntosh
1966/67 Chevelle Reference CDs
ChevelleStuff.com



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 12:05 PM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers

Thats the problem I have too Dale...I don't know what brand I have on my 66
with a 327 But...I have to drop the the header to remove the #6
plug...The  #5 is a pretty tight fit but I can manage to get it out...same
as the #1...
John






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Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers

[John]

Thats the problem I have too Dale...I don't know what brand I have on my 66 
with a 327 But...I have to drop the the header to remove the #6 
plug...The  #5 is a pretty tight fit but I can manage to get it out...same 
as the #1...
John 

Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers

[Dale]

How are the Doug's or Hedmans on spark plug access?  I have some brand (on
the car when I bought it) on my 67 SBC El Camino and two plugs (1 and 5) are
impossible to get to without unbolting the collector and dropping the
header.  Makes it a pain when the alternator & power steering have to be
removed as well.

I'm not particularly interested in a 'performance' gain, just access to
plugs without having to take stuff off. I'm almost ready to go back to stock
manifolds.

Dale McIntosh
1966/67 Chevelle Reference CDs
ChevelleStuff.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Holleman
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:35 AM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers

Matt, I'm the one that recommended Doug's. I can't compare them to Hedmans
but they fit much better than Hookers and fit much tighter under the car as
well. The last two sets I used on Abodys had the lowest point above the
crossmember. The last set of Hookers I used dropped well below the
crossmember. And frankly Dougs quality was clearly better than Hookers.
Mike
- Original Message -
From: "Matthew Post" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers


> In your experience, which headers have the best fit?  Hedmans?  Someone
> else said Doug's fit good?  My main concern is ground clearance.
>
> -Matt
>
> At 06:34 PM 5/22/2007, Mike Holleman wrote:
>>I know what your dealing with. I have used Sanderson's on customers cars.
>>Ill fit and poor welds. We swapped headers with them on a Nova and the
>>second time they failed I just rewelded them myself.
>>Mike
>>- Original Message - From: "Michael Pell"
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" 
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:12 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers
>>
>>
>>>I have the BB3 intermediates.  I'd say, don't bother.  Just return
>>>them.
>>>
>>>Mike H.  I have a BBC Chevelle with manual trans, and I want the
>>>'shorty'/intermediate headers.  Hedman and Sanderson are the only 2
>>>headers I know of that will fit.Oops, make that "Hedman is the only
>>>ones I think will will fit".
>>>
>>>AGG!!!
>>>
>>>--
>>>  I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out
>>> there isn't, Than live my
>>>  life as if there isn't, And die to find out there is. -Blaise Pascal
>>>  Check out my webpage at http://www.ProStreetCar.com
>>>  TREMEC Distributor at http://www.5speedTransmissions.com
>>>  Team Chevelle member #1778 (Gold),  ACES member #1377
>>>  Hoosier State Chevelle Assoc (http://www.IndianaChevelles.com) #6
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Matthew Post wrote:
>>>
I'm also having an issue with Sanderson headers for my BBC.  They bolt
up okay, but the passenger side header rubs the frame.  Usually the
passenger side slides right in and the driver's side is the tight one!
I was going to exchange the long tube for their intermediate ones, but
now I don't know if I should bother.

Matt

At 03:59 PM 5/22/2007, Michael Pell wrote:

>
>
>Has anyone ever actually bolted on a set of Sanderson   headers?
>Of 5 sets for a BBC that I know of, not a single set will bolt up to a
>a BBC.
>That's 0 for 5   aaahh!!   My first set would not bolt
>on.  Called Sanderson, talked to the owner.  She (yes, she) started
>giving me some lame excuses for why it might not bolt on.  I don't care
>about your quality issues...  She said they'll send me a new set;  test
>fitted to ensure they will work for me.2 week later, I call to
>inqure as the whereabouts of my new set.   Jeremy says, " we only had 3
>sets on hand, and 2 of the sets would not bolt on to a set of heads;
>the 'good' set will ship out today".  Why 2 weeks later on the day I
>call to inquire?  and why would 3 of 4 sets not bolt up?  Junk, that's
>why!
>
>So I get them, finally, nearly 3 weeks later.   Tonight I test fit one
>one.  NOT!  Stupid junk crap still won't bolt on.   42 years of the
>same bolt pattern; same head, same, same same!  arrrgghhh!  I've spent
>$500.00 and wasted 2 months on these headers.
>
>How hard is it to bolt up to a 40+ year old design?  I could build a
>flange myself that would bolt up, with a hand drill!
>
>I guess I get to grind and cut on a brand new set of coated
>headers..   AAGGHHH!!!
>
>I'm wishing I would've saved time and money and frustration, and bought
>a set of Hedman's...
>
>A buddy of mine has the same set of headers... same problem, will not
>bolt up .  That's 5 of 5 sets.   Stupid junk crap.  I'm going to look
>for the 'made in Taiwan' sticker.
>
>
>
>--
>--
>  I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out
> t

Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers

[Mike Holleman]

Matt, I'm the one that recommended Doug's. I can't compare them to Hedmans 
but they fit much better than Hookers and fit much tighter under the car as 
well. The last two sets I used on Abodys had the lowest point above the 
crossmember. The last set of Hookers I used dropped well below the 
crossmember. And frankly Dougs quality was clearly better than Hookers.

Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Matthew Post" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers


In your experience, which headers have the best fit?  Hedmans?  Someone 
else said Doug's fit good?  My main concern is ground clearance.


-Matt

At 06:34 PM 5/22/2007, Mike Holleman wrote:
I know what your dealing with. I have used Sanderson's on customers cars. 
Ill fit and poor welds. We swapped headers with them on a Nova and the 
second time they failed I just rewelded them myself.

Mike
- Original Message - From: "Michael Pell" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers


I have the BB3 intermediates.  I'd say, don't bother.  Just return 
them.


Mike H.  I have a BBC Chevelle with manual trans, and I want the 
'shorty'/intermediate headers.  Hedman and Sanderson are the only 2 
headers I know of that will fit.Oops, make that "Hedman is the only 
ones I think will will fit".


AGG!!!

--
 I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out 
there isn't, Than live my

 life as if there isn't, And die to find out there is. -Blaise Pascal
 Check out my webpage at http://www.ProStreetCar.com
 TREMEC Distributor at http://www.5speedTransmissions.com
 Team Chevelle member #1778 (Gold),  ACES member #1377
 Hoosier State Chevelle Assoc (http://www.IndianaChevelles.com) #6



Matthew Post wrote:

I'm also having an issue with Sanderson headers for my BBC.  They bolt 
up okay, but the passenger side header rubs the frame.  Usually the 
passenger side slides right in and the driver's side is the tight one! 
I was going to exchange the long tube for their intermediate ones, but 
now I don't know if I should bother.


Matt

At 03:59 PM 5/22/2007, Michael Pell wrote:




Has anyone ever actually bolted on a set of Sanderson   headers?
Of 5 sets for a BBC that I know of, not a single set will bolt up to a 
a BBC.
That's 0 for 5   aaahh!!   My first set would not bolt 
on.  Called Sanderson, talked to the owner.  She (yes, she) started 
giving me some lame excuses for why it might not bolt on.  I don't care 
about your quality issues...  She said they'll send me a new set;  test 
fitted to ensure they will work for me.2 week later, I call to 
inqure as the whereabouts of my new set.   Jeremy says, " we only had 3 
sets on hand, and 2 of the sets would not bolt on to a set of heads; 
the 'good' set will ship out today".  Why 2 weeks later on the day I 
call to inquire?  and why would 3 of 4 sets not bolt up?  Junk, that's 
why!


So I get them, finally, nearly 3 weeks later.   Tonight I test fit one 
one.  NOT!  Stupid junk crap still won't bolt on.   42 years of the 
same bolt pattern; same head, same, same same!  arrrgghhh!  I've spent 
$500.00 and wasted 2 months on these headers.


How hard is it to bolt up to a 40+ year old design?  I could build a 
flange myself that would bolt up, with a hand drill!


I guess I get to grind and cut on a brand new set of coated 
headers..   AAGGHHH!!!


I'm wishing I would've saved time and money and frustration, and bought 
a set of Hedman's...


A buddy of mine has the same set of headers... same problem, will not 
bolt up .  That's 5 of 5 sets.   Stupid junk crap.  I'm going to look 
for the 'made in Taiwan' sticker.




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Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers

[Matthew Post]

In your experience, which headers have the best 
fit?  Hedmans?  Someone else said Doug's fit good?  My main concern 
is ground clearance.


-Matt

At 06:34 PM 5/22/2007, Mike Holleman wrote:
I know what your dealing with. I have used Sanderson's on customers 
cars. Ill fit and poor welds. We swapped headers with them on a Nova 
and the second time they failed I just rewelded them myself.

Mike
- Original Message - From: "Michael Pell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] JUNK Sanderson headers



I have the BB3 intermediates.  I'd say, don't bother.  Just return them.

Mike H.  I have a BBC Chevelle with manual trans, and I want the 
'shorty'/intermediate headers.  Hedman and Sanderson are the only 2 
headers I know of that will fit.Oops, make that "Hedman is the 
only ones I think will will fit".


AGG!!!

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Matthew Post wrote:

I'm also having an issue with Sanderson headers for my BBC.  They 
bolt up okay, but the passenger side header rubs the 
frame.  Usually the passenger side slides right in and the 
driver's side is the tight one!  I was going to exchange the long 
tube for their intermediate ones, but now I don't know if I should bother.


Matt

At 03:59 PM 5/22/2007, Michael Pell wrote:




Has anyone ever actually bolted on a set of Sanderson   headers?
Of 5 sets for a BBC that I know of, not a single set will bolt up 
to a a BBC.
That's 0 for 5   aaahh!!   My first set would not 
bolt on.  Called Sanderson, talked to the owner.  She (yes, she) 
started giving me some lame excuses for why it might not bolt 
on.  I don't care about your quality issues...  She said they'll 
send me a new set;  test fitted to ensure they will work for 
me.2 week later, I call to inqure as the whereabouts of my 
new set.   Jeremy says, " we only had 3 sets on hand, and 2 of 
the sets would not bolt on to a set of heads; the 'good' set will 
ship out today".  Why 2 weeks later on the day I call to 
inquire?  and why would 3 of 4 sets not bolt up?  Junk, that's why!


So I get them, finally, nearly 3 weeks later.   Tonight I test 
fit one one.  NOT!  Stupid junk crap still won't bolt on.   42 
years of the same bolt pattern; same head, same, same 
same!  arrrgghhh!  I've spent $500.00 and wasted 2 months on these headers.


How hard is it to bolt up to a 40+ year old design?  I could 
build a flange myself that would bolt up, with a hand drill!


I guess I get to grind and cut on a brand new set of coated 
headers..   AAGGHHH!!!


I'm wishing I would've saved time and money and frustration, and 
bought a set of Hedman's...


A buddy of mine has the same set of headers... same problem, will 
not bolt up .  That's 5 of 5 sets.   Stupid junk crap.  I'm going 
to look for the 'made in Taiwan' sticker.




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Re: [Chevelle-list] Engine noise!

[Pelle Andersson]

Honestly! I don’t know!

I bought the car 2003 & didn’t notice anything then!

But in 2004 I started to hear this noise & since then it only got

worse until #8 practically stopped working.

 

I was a little bit surprised to find out that the lifters where mechanical!?

Anyway, I’m changing them to hyd flats, or rollers if I can raise the money?

 

The damage in #8 cylinder is probably due to an old water leak?

Could not find any signs of water leaks in the head gasket so I

guess they just ignored it when they changed the head gaskets.

 

Pelle

 

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Ämne: Re: [Chevelle-list] Engine noise!

 

OUCH!   How many miles, OOPS kilometers, does that cam have on it?

On 5/22/07, Pelle Andersson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

I'm going to rebuild the engine!
Check the links & you'll see what I mean!
Sorry for not being clear, I just assumed everyone knew ;-) 
I've discussed this matter back and forth at another Swedish forum &
mixed it up!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/231/504408105_ec9665fc5c_b.jpg 
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/204/503491365_5ef7b38c80_b.jpg

Best regards Pelle


>From: John Nasta <   [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List 
>To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net 
>Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Engine noise!
>Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 17:39:33 -0400
>
>Unfortunately you should not have taken the heads off. You should have
>tried draining a pint of oil and replacing it with a high-detergent  oil 
>(like Marvel Mystery Oil or transmission fluid) for 100 miles or  so and
>then changing the oil and adjusting the valves. You probably  could have
>gotten the tap out and you would have been driving again in  no time. 
>
>What makes you thing it's a worn cam rather than a bad lifter?
>
>Even if it is a worn cam, why would you have the block machined? You  have
>to take the intake manifold off to replace the cam and/or  lifters, not the

>heads.
>
>Sorry, but none of what you wrote makes a whole lot of sense to me. I
>don't know the whole story but it sounds like you made things go from  bad
>to worse.
>
>
>Quoting Pelle Andersson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>Now I know what it was!
>>A worn down lobe on the cam (#8)
>>I removed the heads just to check and found out that #8 had problems. 
>>I have to leave the block for some machining :-(
>>
>>No driving this summer :-/
>>
>>http://www.flickr.com/photos/pellechevelle/sets/72157600027680861/ 
>>
>>Pelle
>>   - Original Message -
>>   From: Pelle Andersson
>>   To: The Chevelle Mailing List
>>   Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 4:29 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Engine noise! 
>>
>>
>>   A sticky lifter could explain why it's running colder on #8!?
>>   Maybe we're on to something here :-)
>>
>>   Pelle
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Carl Ziegler
>> To: The Chevelle Mailing List
>> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 1:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Engine noise!
>>
>>
>> Sounds like either an exhaust leak or a sticky lifter to me.  My $.02

>>
>>
>> - Original Message 
>> From: Pelle Andersson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: The Chevelle Mailing List < chevelle-list@chevelles.net>
>> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 6:18:47 AM
>> Subject: [Chevelle-list] Engine noise!
>>
>>
>> Hi! 
>>
>>
>>
>> I have this strange noise during acceleration!
>>
>> Sounds a little bit like a bolt tapping my M/T aluminum valve
>>covers but a tad sharper! 
>>
>> No marks in the valve covers indicating that anything is hitting
>>them!
>>
>> I've tried to adjust timing back & forth 16-8 degrees but it's
>>still the same! 
>>
>> It's in sync with the rpm & I can only hear it when accelerating
>>hard!
>>
>>
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Pelle
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
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