Re: [Chevelle-list] Re STARTER

[Larry Williams]

I tried a mini starter and had the same problem.  Finally went back to 
the stock starter.  Works fine.  Mini starter is still on the shelf 
collecting dust.


Larry Williams
65 SS BB

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I was thinking that, the old starter didn't have this problem. I 
replaced starter after it started to drag because of heat from 
headers. If I don't find problem will have to go back  to old style 
and  wrap the starter and headers in heat tape .  The car was an 
automatic that I converted to 4 speed and has less than 2,000 miles 
on  flywheel. 
 
 I am getting to old for this, just wanted the car I had when I was a 
little younger, like 40 years ago. It is fun and does  turn heads.
 
Thanks again, Darrell





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Re: [Chevelle-list] Fw: STARTER

[Pelle Andersson]

B.T.W.

Three of my buddies on a Swedish Chevelle forum had the same/similar problem
and all of them got rid of the problem when they did the modification I
suggested. I believe it's one of the most common starter problems
which is actually a ignition switch problem!

Pelle
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  From: Pelle Andersson 
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  Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 6:20 PM
  Subject: [Chevelle-list] Fw: STARTER



  I had a similar/the same problem & used a relay between the starter & 
ignition switch!
  The problem in my case was that the ignition key switch didn't manage to 
deliver
  all the current needed by the starter solenoid!

  Make a temporary solution with a relay & a simple button in to the coupé
  to see if you have the same problem as i had?

  Translation:
  Svart till jord= Black to ground
  Röd från batteri= Red positive from battery
  Blå till starter= Blue to starter
  Röd från tändlås= Red from ignition key switch

  http://farm1.static.flickr.com/150/409085014_268043b394_o.jpg

  It's in the ignition key circuit you should do these mods.

  B.R. Pelle

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Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] STARTER


The starter works fine and no whinnying, that part is fine. The problem is 
that at times the gear on the starter comes out and hits the flywheel and will 
not engage the gears on the flywheel, I didn't make myself clear. Most of the 
time it has no problem, but at times  it will not engage the flywheel. At first 
I thought it was the solenoid but when watching from under the car I saw the 
problem. Even tried beveling the gears on the leading edge a little more on the 
starter, hoping it would help engage.

Thanks, Darrell 






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Re: [Chevelle-list] Re STARTER

[TinIndian47]

I was thinking that, the old starter didn't have this problem. I  replaced 
starter after it started to drag because of heat from headers. If  I don't find 
problem will have to go back  to old style and  wrap the  starter and headers 
in heat tape .  The car was an automatic that I  converted to 4 speed and has 
less than 2,000 miles on   flywheel. 
 
 I am getting to old for this, just wanted the car I had when I was a  little 
younger, like 40 years ago. It is fun and does  turn heads.
 
Thanks again, Darrell



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[Chevelle-list] Fw: STARTER

[Pelle Andersson]

I had a similar/the same problem & used a relay between the starter & ignition 
switch!
The problem in my case was that the ignition key switch didn't manage to deliver
all the current needed by the starter solenoid!

Make a temporary solution with a relay & a simple button in to the coupé
to see if you have the same problem as i had?

Translation:
Svart till jord= Black to ground
Röd från batteri= Red positive from battery
Blå till starter= Blue to starter
Röd från tändlås= Red from ignition key switch

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/150/409085014_268043b394_o.jpg

It's in the ignition key circuit you should do these mods.

B.R. Pelle

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  Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] STARTER


  The starter works fine and no whinnying, that part is fine. The problem is 
that at times the gear on the starter comes out and hits the flywheel and will 
not engage the gears on the flywheel, I didn't make myself clear. Most of the 
time it has no problem, but at times  it will not engage the flywheel. At first 
I thought it was the solenoid but when watching from under the car I saw the 
problem. Even tried beveling the gears on the leading edge a little more on the 
starter, hoping it would help engage.

  Thanks, Darrell 





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[Chevelle-list] Re STARTER

[ed]

So new starter and flywheel?  I'd try the old starter or a stock starter just 
to check...  If it always works, the problem might be the aftermarket starter.  
It just might be incompatible for some reason.  I am relatively unfamiliar with 
those small, high torque, starters, but I had one on a V8 conversion in a Jag 
and I loved it...


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>
> I forgot to add it is a new powermaster mintorque starter,  powermaster  did
> replace it with new one and it still does same thing.  Their tech line said we
> had done everything they could think of doing.
>
> Thanks again, Darrell
>
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Re: [Chevelle-list] STARTER

[ed]

If the problem began after installing the new flywheel, the newest part is 
always the suspect...

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> It has a new flywheel, but then it could be bad. 
> 
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Re: [Chevelle-list] STARTER

[TinIndian47]

It has a new flywheel, but then it could be bad. 



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Re: [Chevelle-list] STARTER

[TinIndian47]

The starter works fine and no whinnying, that part is fine. The problem is  
that at times the gear on the starter comes out and hits the flywheel and will  
not engage the gears on the flywheel, I didn't make myself clear. Most of the 
 time it has no problem, but at times  it will not engage the  flywheel. At 
first I thought it was the solenoid but when watching from  under the car I saw 
the problem. Even tried beveling the gears on the leading  edge a little more 
on the starter, hoping it would help engage.
 
Thanks, Darrell 



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Re: [Chevelle-list] STARTER

[ed]

Inspect the ring gear on the flywheel to see if it has worn teeth in one area.  
If so, you must replace it...


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> Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2007 03:03 PM
> To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net
> Subject: [Chevelle-list] STARTER
> 
> I have a 65 Chevelle, 327 4 speed, and having trouble with the starter  
> engaging the flywheel. It starts most of the time, but every once in a while 
> the  
> gear will hit the flywheel and not engage. We have shimmed the  starter and  
> doesn't seem to help. We have changed the shim several  trying different 
> settings with no change in the problem.
>  
> At first we thought it was electrical problem, changed the switch, new  
> cables and even redid the wiring to starter, no help. It is getting full 12  
> volts 
> to starter.
>  
> Does any one have any ideas as to what I can do to fix the problem?
>  
> Thanks Darrell
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Chevelle-list] STARTER

[tech]

A high pitched whine during cranking, before the engine fires, can be caused
by the pinion and flywheel being too far apart - too much shim.
 
A whine after the engine starts, as the key is released, is often a result
of the pinion-flywheel relationship being too close.
 
In both cases flywheel damage can occur...  Remove the starter and turn the
flywheel over by hand and inspect the teeth.  Worst case - you may have to
replace the flywheel.
 
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Subject: [Chevelle-list] STARTER


I have a 65 Chevelle, 327 4 speed, and having trouble with the starter
engaging the flywheel. It starts most of the time, but every once in a while
the gear will hit the flywheel and not engage. We have shimmed the starter
and  doesn't seem to help. We have changed the shim several trying different
settings with no change in the problem.
 
At first we thought it was electrical problem, changed the switch, new
cables and even redid the wiring to starter, no help. It is getting full 12
volts to starter.
 
Does any one have any ideas as to what I can do to fix the problem?
 
Thanks Darrell



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[Chevelle-list] STARTER

[TinIndian47]

I forgot to add it is a new powermaster mintorque starter,  powermaster  did 
replace it with new one and it still does same thing.  Their tech line said we 
had done everything they could think of doing.
 
Thanks again, Darrell



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[Chevelle-list] STARTER

[TinIndian47]

I have a 65 Chevelle, 327 4 speed, and having trouble with the starter  
engaging the flywheel. It starts most of the time, but every once in a while 
the  
gear will hit the flywheel and not engage. We have shimmed the  starter and  
doesn't seem to help. We have changed the shim several  trying different 
settings with no change in the problem.
 
At first we thought it was electrical problem, changed the switch, new  
cables and even redid the wiring to starter, no help. It is getting full 12  
volts 
to starter.
 
Does any one have any ideas as to what I can do to fix the problem?
 
Thanks Darrell



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