Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey
>Kelly, know it well!! have a bunch that come through the shop complex, let me know if ya have any luck with the game! I gotta find someone to program it...wish I knew how, it might be a big seller! Kelly & Jana Hanna www.hannawoodworks.com
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woah! where do u live and what grade are u going to? - Original Message - From: "chevy64" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > in september, i think it is the 4th > kyle m > - Original Message - > From: "Krister Meister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 6:39 AM > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > > > > > > Chad - when does school start? > > > > Krister Meister > > Bartlett, IL > > > > '66 SS #'s matching > > > > > > > > "Chad Playso" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > cc: (bcc: Krister > Meister/PBU/Nsk-Corp) > > Sent by: Fax to: > > owner-chevelle-list@che Subject: Re: > [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > > velles.net > > > > > > 07/17/2002 07:41 PM > > Please respond to > > chevelle-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so i bet when you were 16 - you thought it was a privalige to drive...yea > > right. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "rocky hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 7:35 PM > > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > > > > > > > I'm with you, there is not a day goes by that I don't > > > see a car overloaded with kids,(read that as looking > > > young enough to have recieved there license that day) > > > doing every thing except driving!!! I just dont think > > > kids are mature enough today to have a full license at > > > 16. restricted at 16, and a full license at 18 is the > > > way to go. Kids think it's a right, not a privalige to > > > drive. > > > > > > Rocky Hill > > > My66SS http://www.geocities.com/rocks66ss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Capt Crunch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > How about the fact that they pretty much give > > > > driver's licenses away in a box of Cracker Jacks > > > > these days. I work about a mile from a driver's exam > > > > station and it is easy to find, but the number of > > > > brain dead morons, lazy people who don't want to > > > > take the energy to look at a map (or the road for > > > > signs for that matter), or people who can't speak > > > > english asking for it is unreal. I say "hey... if > > > > you can't find the driver's exam station you already > > > > fail map reading, trip preperation, and sign > > > > reading. You fail." > > > > IMO I would raise the driving age for lic. to 18 and > > > > keep permits or restricted lic. at 16. And make a > > > > real driving test to pass. I mean fake kids on bikes > > > > flying out from bushes and idiot driver's going > > > > through stop lights on their cell phone heheee. > > > > > > > > Mikey > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: Chevelle 69 > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:37 AM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > > > > > > > > Which brings up a thought or two: > > > > > > > > We, the people that, in most cases, turn wrenches on > > > > these cars, lift heavy metal parts on and off, > > > > install glass as needed, and know from life's > > > > experiences what can happen, have more of a close > > > > "in-touch" relationship with cars. We have more of a > > > > realization of several thousand pounds of glass and > > > > metal flying down the road at speeds unknown to man > > > > just a hundred years ago. > > > > > > > > Although some of us are guilty of indulging in the > > > > thrill that a muscle car is so famous for, and I > > > > can't say I won't ever myself. I guess it
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Why do you ask? I think it's around August 28? - Original Message - From: "Krister Meister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > > Chad - when does school start? > > Krister Meister > Bartlett, IL > > '66 SS #'s matching > > > > "Chad Playso" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > cc: (bcc: Krister Meister/PBU/Nsk-Corp) > Sent by: Fax to: > owner-chevelle-list@che Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > velles.net > > > 07/17/2002 07:41 PM > Please respond to > chevelle-list > > > > > > > so i bet when you were 16 - you thought it was a privalige to drive...yea > right. > > - Original Message ----- > From: "rocky hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 7:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > > > > I'm with you, there is not a day goes by that I don't > > see a car overloaded with kids,(read that as looking > > young enough to have recieved there license that day) > > doing every thing except driving!!! I just dont think > > kids are mature enough today to have a full license at > > 16. restricted at 16, and a full license at 18 is the > > way to go. Kids think it's a right, not a privalige to > > drive. > > > > Rocky Hill > > My66SS http://www.geocities.com/rocks66ss > > > > > > > > > > --- Capt Crunch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > How about the fact that they pretty much give > > > driver's licenses away in a box of Cracker Jacks > > > these days. I work about a mile from a driver's exam > > > station and it is easy to find, but the number of > > > brain dead morons, lazy people who don't want to > > > take the energy to look at a map (or the road for > > > signs for that matter), or people who can't speak > > > english asking for it is unreal. I say "hey... if > > > you can't find the driver's exam station you already > > > fail map reading, trip preperation, and sign > > > reading. You fail." > > > IMO I would raise the driving age for lic. to 18 and > > > keep permits or restricted lic. at 16. And make a > > > real driving test to pass. I mean fake kids on bikes > > > flying out from bushes and idiot driver's going > > > through stop lights on their cell phone heheee. > > > > > > Mikey > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: Chevelle 69 > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:37 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > > > > > > Which brings up a thought or two: > > > > > > We, the people that, in most cases, turn wrenches on > > > these cars, lift heavy metal parts on and off, > > > install glass as needed, and know from life's > > > experiences what can happen, have more of a close > > > "in-touch" relationship with cars. We have more of a > > > realization of several thousand pounds of glass and > > > metal flying down the road at speeds unknown to man > > > just a hundred years ago. > > > > > > Although some of us are guilty of indulging in the > > > thrill that a muscle car is so famous for, and I > > > can't say I won't ever myself. I guess it's like > > > rock climbing or parachuting..with added dangers > > > for innocent bystanders and precious classic cars > > > that may not survive to be passed on. > > > > > > Compare that to a young person ( and some older ones > > > ) who only think to get in, turn the key, and press > > > the pedal farther down to hurry up to get to an > > > "important appointment". I know that accidents were > > > stressed to me in drivers training many years ago, > > > but people tend to think it won't happen to them and > > > what can happen if they are not careful goes to the > > > back of the mind. Getting there quickly while doing > > > other things that "need" to get done are what is on > > &
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Funny you should mention that. The guy that taped the latest incident in Inglewood...he's back in Northern California now under arrest for violating his probation :*) Seems there was a warrant out for his arrest. Just goes to prove that no good deed goes unpunished. Dale MMM the good old days when cops were allowed to be cops. I bet nobody taped the arrest either did they. That ought to start something! Lance
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Dale: driving and watching TV may not be a good idea either :)> Larry (z)
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in september, i think it is the 4th kyle m - Original Message - From: "Krister Meister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 6:39 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > > Chad - when does school start? > > Krister Meister > Bartlett, IL > > '66 SS #'s matching > > > > "Chad Playso" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > cc: (bcc: Krister Meister/PBU/Nsk-Corp) > Sent by: Fax to: > owner-chevelle-list@che Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > velles.net > > > 07/17/2002 07:41 PM > Please respond to > chevelle-list > > > > > > > so i bet when you were 16 - you thought it was a privalige to drive...yea > right. > > - Original Message - > From: "rocky hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 7:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > > > > I'm with you, there is not a day goes by that I don't > > see a car overloaded with kids,(read that as looking > > young enough to have recieved there license that day) > > doing every thing except driving!!! I just dont think > > kids are mature enough today to have a full license at > > 16. restricted at 16, and a full license at 18 is the > > way to go. Kids think it's a right, not a privalige to > > drive. > > > > Rocky Hill > > My66SS http://www.geocities.com/rocks66ss > > > > > > > > > > --- Capt Crunch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > How about the fact that they pretty much give > > > driver's licenses away in a box of Cracker Jacks > > > these days. I work about a mile from a driver's exam > > > station and it is easy to find, but the number of > > > brain dead morons, lazy people who don't want to > > > take the energy to look at a map (or the road for > > > signs for that matter), or people who can't speak > > > english asking for it is unreal. I say "hey... if > > > you can't find the driver's exam station you already > > > fail map reading, trip preperation, and sign > > > reading. You fail." > > > IMO I would raise the driving age for lic. to 18 and > > > keep permits or restricted lic. at 16. And make a > > > real driving test to pass. I mean fake kids on bikes > > > flying out from bushes and idiot driver's going > > > through stop lights on their cell phone heheee. > > > > > > Mikey > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: Chevelle 69 > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:37 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > > > > > > Which brings up a thought or two: > > > > > > We, the people that, in most cases, turn wrenches on > > > these cars, lift heavy metal parts on and off, > > > install glass as needed, and know from life's > > > experiences what can happen, have more of a close > > > "in-touch" relationship with cars. We have more of a > > > realization of several thousand pounds of glass and > > > metal flying down the road at speeds unknown to man > > > just a hundred years ago. > > > > > > Although some of us are guilty of indulging in the > > > thrill that a muscle car is so famous for, and I > > > can't say I won't ever myself. I guess it's like > > > rock climbing or parachuting..with added dangers > > > for innocent bystanders and precious classic cars > > > that may not survive to be passed on. > > > > > > Compare that to a young person ( and some older ones > > > ) who only think to get in, turn the key, and press > > > the pedal farther down to hurry up to get to an > > > "important appointment". I know that accidents were > > > stressed to me in drivers training many years ago, > > > but people tend to think it won't happen to them and > > > what can happen if they are not careful goes to the > > > back of the mind. Getting there quickly while doing > > > other things that "need" to get done are what is on > > > t
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In a message dated Thu, 18 Jul 2002 6:31:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, PLGChevelle65 writes: > > > In a message dated Wed, 17 Jul 2002 8:23:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > > > "so i bet when you were 16 - you thought it was a privalige to drive...yea > > right." > > > > I did! Once the Judge at traffic court informed me that it was! 8). 8 points > > in 6 months. My 69SS was defiantly a ticket magnet back then. It took years > > to get off the high risk category from that time. There was a MD State boy > > the made me his life work during that time. I wonder if he's retired yet? He > > was always very pleasant when he would write me up one. Maybe Ill pay him > > a visit once I get the ol girl restored. Just for kicks after 19 years I > > still remember his full name LOL > > > > Seriously, You realize how much a privilege it is when you come that close > > to loosing it. Or loose a few friends in highschool as I did. They though it > > was there right to drive and they did. Stupidly. > > > > JDHall > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Chad Playso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "rocky hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 7:35 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > > > > > > > > > > I'm with you, there is not a day goes by that I don't > > > > see a car overloaded with kids,(read that as looking > > > > young enough to have recieved there license that day) > > > > doing every thing except driving!!! I just dont think > > > > kids are mature enough today to have a full license at > > > > 16. restricted at 16, and a full license at 18 is the > > > > way to go. Kids think it's a right, not a privalige to > > > > drive. > > > > > > > > Rocky Hill > > > > My66SS http://www.geocities.com/rocks66ss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Capt Crunch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > How about the fact that they pretty much give > > > > > driver's licenses away in a box of Cracker Jacks > > > > > these days. I work about a mile from a driver's exam > > > > > station and it is easy to find, but the number of > > > > > brain dead morons, lazy people who don't want to > > > > > take the energy to look at a map (or the road for > > > > > signs for that matter), or people who can't speak > > > > > english asking for it is unreal. I say "hey... if > > > > > you can't find the driver's exam station you already > > > > > fail map reading, trip preperation, and sign > > > > > reading. You fail." > > > > > IMO I would raise the driving age for lic. to 18 and > > > > > keep permits or restricted lic. at 16. And make a > > > > > real driving test to pass. I mean fake kids on bikes > > > > > flying out from bushes and idiot driver's going > > > > > through stop lights on their cell phone heheee. > > > > > > > > > > Mikey > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > > From: Chevelle 69 > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:37 AM > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > > > > > > > > > > Which brings up a thought or two: > > > > > > > > > > We, the people that, in most cases, turn wrenches on > > > > > these cars, lift heavy metal parts on and off, > > > > > install glass as needed, and know from life's > > > > > experiences what can happen, have more of a close > > > > > "in-touch" relationship with cars. We have more of a > > > > > realization of several thousand pounds of glass and > > > > > metal flying down the road at speeds unknown to man > > > > > just a hundred years ago. > > > > > > > > > > Although some of us are guilt
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Having been a cop for 20 years now, I remember
those "good ol days". Some were better, some worse.. than today.
Different world now.
Don
MMM the good old days
when cops were allowed to be cops. I bet nobody taped the arrest either
did they. That ought to start something!
Lance
UT-OHHH DUCK FOR
COVER!!
Rob Means"be good,if not,be good at it [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From:
Wurzbacher, Lance
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 6:03
AM
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MMM the good old days
when cops were allowed to be cops. I bet nobody taped the arrest
either did they. That ought to start something!
Lance
-Original Message-From: Capt Crunch
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002
9:26 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject:
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Funny how that works... I was a pretty good driver except for my street
racing at a local underground spot and an occasionally high speed blast at
dawn in the middle of nowhere. Well that got me nailed when I got clocked at
an almost unreal 132 mph in my old 70 Z28. I was very lucky I only got
nailed with every charge in the book and was thrown around like a rag doll
and slammed into the back of the squad car. I then was chewed out... left to
sweat it out until finally he let me go only because I stopped and he was
not about to call a chopper to pursue me. I was lucky it was a small town
cop in ND. I thought for sure I was going to jail.
Overall the experience cost me all my points in the state of North
Dakota but one (so any violation would of cost me my license), about $1800
in fines, class charges, etc., 100 hundred hours of community service, and
one pair of $5.99 boxer shorts.
Mikey
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JDHall
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:25
PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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"so i bet when you were 16 - you thought it was a
privalige to drive...yearight."I did! Once the Judge at
traffic court informed me that it was! 8). 8 pointsin 6 months. My
69SS was defiantly a ticket magnet back then. It took yearsto get off
the high risk category from that time. There was a MD State boythe
made me his life work during that time. I wonder if he's retired yet?
Hewas always very pleasant when he would write me up one.
Maybe Ill pay hima visit once I get the ol girl restored. Just for
kicks after 19 years Istill remember his full name
LOLSeriously, You realize how much a privilege it is when you come
that closeto loosing it. Or loose a few friends in highschool as I
did. They though itwas there right to drive and they did.
Stupidly.JDHall
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MMM the good old days
when cops were allowed to be cops. I bet nobody taped the arrest either
did they. That ought to start something!
Lance
UT-OHHH DUCK FOR COVER!!
Rob
Means"be good,if not,be good at it [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From:
Wurzbacher, Lance
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 6:03
AM
Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car
Saftey
MMM the good old days
when cops were allowed to be cops. I bet nobody taped the arrest either
did they. That ought to start something!
Lance
-Original Message-From: Capt Crunch
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:26
PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject:
Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey
Funny how that works... I was a pretty good driver except for my street
racing at a local underground spot and an occasionally high speed blast at
dawn in the middle of nowhere. Well that got me nailed when I got clocked at
an almost unreal 132 mph in my old 70 Z28. I was very lucky I only got nailed
with every charge in the book and was thrown around like a rag doll and
slammed into the back of the squad car. I then was chewed out... left to sweat
it out until finally he let me go only because I stopped and he was not about
to call a chopper to pursue me. I was lucky it was a small town cop in ND. I
thought for sure I was going to jail.
Overall the experience cost me all my points in the state of North Dakota
but one (so any violation would of cost me my license), about $1800 in fines,
class charges, etc., 100 hundred hours of community service, and one pair of
$5.99 boxer shorts.
Mikey
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From:
JDHall
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:25
PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List]
Driving/Car Saftey
"so i bet when you were 16 - you thought it was a privalige
to drive...yearight."I did! Once the Judge at traffic court
informed me that it was! 8). 8 pointsin 6 months. My 69SS was defiantly
a ticket magnet back then. It took yearsto get off the high risk
category from that time. There was a MD State boythe made me his life
work during that time. I wonder if he's retired yet? Hewas always
very pleasant when he would write me up one. Maybe Ill pay hima
visit once I get the ol girl restored. Just for kicks after 19
years Istill remember his full name LOLSeriously, You realize
how much a privilege it is when you come that closeto loosing it. Or
loose a few friends in highschool as I did. They though itwas there
right to drive and they did.
Stupidly.JDHall
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Kelly, know it well!! have a bunch that come through the shop complex, let me know if ya have any luck with the game!!! LMAO Rob Means"be good,if not,be good at it [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Kelly C. Hanna To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey >That sounds like fun to me,where do we sign up?>How many points do you get when you hit a cell phone user? Not nearly as many as when you hit one of those ice cream cartsextra points when they are ringing the bells (which is ALWAYS). I wanna get someone to program a video game called the Ice Cream Manhave Van Halen's song playing in the background and using mini-guns mounted on a turrets(Since we get no less than four a day by the house, it's a sore spot hearin' 'em constantly ringing the bells). For those of you who have no idea what I'm talkin' about...count your blessings.Kelly & Jana Hanna www.hannawoodworks.com
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To you
statement
"When I was
your age I knew everything and I was invincible, but now that I am older I look
back and say I wish I listened to my dad..."
I must say When I
was 16, my father was the dumbest man on Earth; I can't believe how much smarter
he has gotten every year since then!
AMEN TO THAT!!
Rob
Means"be good,if not,be good at it [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Richard M.
Pruett
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:11
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To you
statement
"When I
was your age I knew everything and I was invincible, but now that I am older I
look back and say I wish I listened to my dad..."
I must say When I
was 16, my father was the dumbest man on Earth; I can't believe how much
smarter he has gotten every year since then!
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Capt
CrunchSent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 2:11 PMTo:
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Yeah Chad... Sorry, I figured you would reply on this one, but believe
me if everyone over the age of 25 voted, I think a large number would agree.
I mean just the maturaty level jump is huge between 16 and 18 is huge. It
happens again at 21 and it seems about your mid twenties most people have
grown up at least in reguards to more serious matters. When I was your age I
knew everything and I was invincable, but now that I am older I look back
and say I wish I listened to my dad... or I wish I did this instead of this.
Wait till you hit your mid twenties... heck I'm afraid of what I'll be
saying when I'm forty or fifty.
I know how you feel and you can hardly wait to drive, but I know I did
some plain flat dumb things at that age and I see even worse stuff then that
everyday from young drivers. Obviously not all young drivers do stupid
stuff, but I know the statistics show most young drivers get into more
accidents and more tickets then any other age group. I just finally emerged
from the under 25 bracket and wow did my insurance drop. Reality would maybe
say 16-18 yr olds can only drive during such hours or on such roads, much
like when you get a permit for a motorcycle. I'm sure you will be at least a
smart drive Chad as you won't want to bang up a Chevelle or mustang or
whatever, but most kids don't have that pride in their car. Also driving
like any skill will get better as you do it more. I think we all made some
young and dumb blunders in our day.
Don't feel bad Chad... I don't pick on young driver's other then that.
I'm the same way with DWI's. Just way too loose of rules. There are just too
many people who shouldn't be driving. Some elder drivers scare me as well.
Some of them can barely walk, none the less hit the brakes if a kid was to
dart in front of them. Then there are just the unskilled. I was visiting my
mom last weekend and she in reality can't back up a car unless she goes
perfectly straight. She can't parrell park. She can't see very well at
night. I'm sorry to say, she shouldn't be driving with full privilages. If a
guy operating a crane or a tractor was like that...they would be
fired.
Overall... most people today think it is
their right to drive a car, instead of the privilage that it
is.
Dave also mentions some very good points as well.
Mikey
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From:
Chad Playso
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:37
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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dude - thats offensive! im 15 and i just
CANNOT wait till i drive when im 16 - and then now you say that you want
the driving age to be 18! how did you feel when u started
driving?
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Capt Crunch
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002
12:50 PM
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How about the fact that they pretty much give driver's licenses
away in a box of Cracker Jacks these days. I work about a mile from a
driver's exam station and it is easy to find, but the number of brain
dead morons, lazy people who don't want to take the energy to look at a
map (or the road for signs for that matter), or people who can't
speak english asking for it is unreal. I say "hey... if you can't find
the dri
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yea Mikey, behind ya all the way
on this one
Rob
Means"be good,if not,be good at it [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From:
Capt
Crunch
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Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:50
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Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car
Saftey
How about the fact that they pretty much give driver's licenses away in a
box of Cracker Jacks these days. I work about a mile from a driver's exam
station and it is easy to find, but the number of brain dead morons, lazy
people who don't want to take the energy to look at a map (or the road for
signs for that matter), or people who can't speak english asking for it
is unreal. I say "hey... if you can't find the driver's exam station you
already fail map reading, trip preperation, and sign reading. You fail."
IMO I would raise the driving age for lic. to 18 and keep permits or
restricted lic. at 16. And make a real driving test to pass. I mean fake kids
on bikes flying out from bushes and idiot driver's going through stop lights
on their cell phone heheee.
Mikey
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From:
Chevelle 69
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:37
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car
Saftey
Which brings up a thought or
two:
We, the people that, in most cases, turn wrenches
on these cars, lift heavy metal parts on and off, install glass as needed,
and know from life's experiences what can happen, have more of a close
"in-touch" relationship with cars. We have more of a realization
of several thousand pounds of glass and metal flying down the road at speeds
unknown to man just a hundred years ago.
Although some of us are guilty of indulging in the
thrill that a muscle car is so famous for, and I can't say I won't ever
myself. I guess it's like rock climbing or parachuting..with added
dangers for innocent bystanders and precious classic cars that may not
survive to be passed on.
Compare that to a young person ( and some older
ones ) who only think to get in, turn the key, and press the pedal farther
down to hurry up to get to an "important appointment". I know that accidents
were stressed to me in drivers training many years ago, but people
tend to think it won't happen to them and what can happen if they are
not careful goes to the back of the mind. Getting there quickly while doing
other things that "need" to get done are what is on their
mind.
The thought of the car I am rebuilding not having
many of the safety features of today's cars also plays on my mind at times.
More than once I have wondered what it would take to install anti-lock
brakes and air bags on my 69 Chevelle.
Steve
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I agree too! BUT, I've seen people reading newspapers,
shaving, putting on make-up, eating two-fisted hoagies, etc. while behind
the wheel. A lot of people are just plain oblivious to the dangers of
distraction behind the wheel. My point is where do you stop? The starting
point should, in my opinion, be better driver ed programs.
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Chad - when does school start? Krister Meister Bartlett, IL '66 SS #'s matching "Chad Playso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > cc: (bcc: Krister Meister/PBU/Nsk-Corp) Sent by: Fax to: owner-chevelle-list@che Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey velles.net 07/17/2002 07:41 PM Please respond to chevelle-list so i bet when you were 16 - you thought it was a privalige to drive...yea right. - Original Message - From: "rocky hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > I'm with you, there is not a day goes by that I don't > see a car overloaded with kids,(read that as looking > young enough to have recieved there license that day) > doing every thing except driving!!! I just dont think > kids are mature enough today to have a full license at > 16. restricted at 16, and a full license at 18 is the > way to go. Kids think it's a right, not a privalige to > drive. > > Rocky Hill > My66SS http://www.geocities.com/rocks66ss > > > > > --- Capt Crunch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How about the fact that they pretty much give > > driver's licenses away in a box of Cracker Jacks > > these days. I work about a mile from a driver's exam > > station and it is easy to find, but the number of > > brain dead morons, lazy people who don't want to > > take the energy to look at a map (or the road for > > signs for that matter), or people who can't speak > > english asking for it is unreal. I say "hey... if > > you can't find the driver's exam station you already > > fail map reading, trip preperation, and sign > > reading. You fail." > > IMO I would raise the driving age for lic. to 18 and > > keep permits or restricted lic. at 16. And make a > > real driving test to pass. I mean fake kids on bikes > > flying out from bushes and idiot driver's going > > through stop lights on their cell phone heheee. > > > > Mikey > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Chevelle 69 > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:37 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > > > > Which brings up a thought or two: > > > > We, the people that, in most cases, turn wrenches on > > these cars, lift heavy metal parts on and off, > > install glass as needed, and know from life's > > experiences what can happen, have more of a close > > "in-touch" relationship with cars. We have more of a > > realization of several thousand pounds of glass and > > metal flying down the road at speeds unknown to man > > just a hundred years ago. > > > > Although some of us are guilty of indulging in the > > thrill that a muscle car is so famous for, and I > > can't say I won't ever myself. I guess it's like > > rock climbing or parachuting..with added dangers > > for innocent bystanders and precious classic cars > > that may not survive to be passed on. > > > > Compare that to a young person ( and some older ones > > ) who only think to get in, turn the key, and press > > the pedal farther down to hurry up t
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MMM the good old days when cops were allowed to be cops. I bet nobody taped the arrest either did they. That ought to start something! Lance -Original Message-From: Capt Crunch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:26 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey Funny how that works... I was a pretty good driver except for my street racing at a local underground spot and an occasionally high speed blast at dawn in the middle of nowhere. Well that got me nailed when I got clocked at an almost unreal 132 mph in my old 70 Z28. I was very lucky I only got nailed with every charge in the book and was thrown around like a rag doll and slammed into the back of the squad car. I then was chewed out... left to sweat it out until finally he let me go only because I stopped and he was not about to call a chopper to pursue me. I was lucky it was a small town cop in ND. I thought for sure I was going to jail. Overall the experience cost me all my points in the state of North Dakota but one (so any violation would of cost me my license), about $1800 in fines, class charges, etc., 100 hundred hours of community service, and one pair of $5.99 boxer shorts. Mikey - Original Message - From: JDHall Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey "so i bet when you were 16 - you thought it was a privalige to drive...yearight."I did! Once the Judge at traffic court informed me that it was! 8). 8 pointsin 6 months. My 69SS was defiantly a ticket magnet back then. It took yearsto get off the high risk category from that time. There was a MD State boythe made me his life work during that time. I wonder if he's retired yet? Hewas always very pleasant when he would write me up one. Maybe Ill pay hima visit once I get the ol girl restored. Just for kicks after 19 years Istill remember his full name LOLSeriously, You realize how much a privilege it is when you come that closeto loosing it. Or loose a few friends in highschool as I did. They though itwas there right to drive and they did. Stupidly.JDHall
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I remember when I was 17 and driving a 58 Chevy Belair doing over 100 miles an hour on the highways not realizing what would happen if someone pulled out on you or you blew a tire and anything. Back then kids like me and maybe you though the faster you can go the cooler you are. But today Iam 54 yrs old and have a very high respect for driving and my license. Laws today are not like they were back then, if you got pulled over you would get a warning, today they take your license and throw away your keys. They now have a new law in Pa if your caught without license , insurance or registration you can kiss your car good bye, whether is new or a classic its gone to the impound yard. I remember when my daughter first got her license. She went to the store just around the corner from me and I stood there watching her drive away and waited for her to come back. Kids today dont seem to have the respect for a car ( not all kids ) they get in and drive like the wind not realizing that if for one second to take your mind off what your doing it can happen. Its a killing machine in the wrong hands and I have seen many accidents with kids involved. Its a great thing to be able to drive not having mom or dad take you anywhere again, not having to sit in the back seat of the family car. Be able to go where you want at anytime, but gotta keep in mind of whats happening around you and the other guy. Today like I said iam 54 I drive a Mercury Tracer station wagon carefully but when my 66 Chevelle Malibu finally hits the road you can rest assure I will be watching the other guy. Drive Safely All John. Phila.Pa
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In a message dated 7/18/2002 7:43:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: also - so you thought it was a right to drive? you need to brush up on your comprehension skills, I said I have never thought of it as a right
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holy god - 132 mph? im suprised you DID NOT lose your liscense! wow, a lot of money in fines back then, wasnt it? Chad - Original Message - From: Capt Crunch To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey Funny how that works... I was a pretty good driver except for my street racing at a local underground spot and an occasionally high speed blast at dawn in the middle of nowhere. Well that got me nailed when I got clocked at an almost unreal 132 mph in my old 70 Z28. I was very lucky I only got nailed with every charge in the book and was thrown around like a rag doll and slammed into the back of the squad car. I then was chewed out... left to sweat it out until finally he let me go only because I stopped and he was not about to call a chopper to pursue me. I was lucky it was a small town cop in ND. I thought for sure I was going to jail. Overall the experience cost me all my points in the state of North Dakota but one (so any violation would of cost me my license), about $1800 in fines, class charges, etc., 100 hundred hours of community service, and one pair of $5.99 boxer shorts. Mikey - Original Message - From: JDHall Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey "so i bet when you were 16 - you thought it was a privalige to drive...yearight."I did! Once the Judge at traffic court informed me that it was! 8). 8 pointsin 6 months. My 69SS was defiantly a ticket magnet back then. It took yearsto get off the high risk category from that time. There was a MD State boythe made me his life work during that time. I wonder if he's retired yet? Hewas always very pleasant when he would write me up one. Maybe Ill pay hima visit once I get the ol girl restored. Just for kicks after 19 years Istill remember his full name LOLSeriously, You realize how much a privilege it is when you come that closeto loosing it. Or loose a few friends in highschool as I did. They though itwas there right to drive and they did. Stupidly.JDHall
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i do have to admit - i respect older cars much more then most newer cars. - Original Message - From: Brenna Olwine To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 12:05 AM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey I am sorry, but now I have to say something. I did not take Chad’s comment to mean that he would not respect newer cars on the road. But, as every old car lover does, you just notice old cars more and take more care around them. And, if we are talking about maturity, please do not cuss on a public list group. Thanks Brenna -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:47 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey In a message dated 7/17/2002 5:25:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but i feel more mature from most kids my age and i do and will respect cars (older ones - that is). So this means you will have no respect for the guys in newer cars riding along minding their own business? That in fact you may target a new car just for the fun of it? Target meaning fly up behind one, tailgating, and whatnot. This shows the immaturity level right here. Let me tell you one thing Chad. You are SUPPOSED to have courtesy on the road even though most now do not (at least in NJ). Seems to me that that you are the type that will take out a hot rod, flog it around and wrap it around a pole, just like so many did back when these cars were new. The general pattern I see is that those between the ages of 16-18 are careless behind the wheel, yes it seems a stereotype, but it's the truth with very few exceptions. The maturity level is not there, i don't care what opinion anyone has. They have bumped up the driving age to 18 in New Jersey and I am glad they did. I have so many examples of the Young and the Careless, it's not funny. This is why I did not decide to use my 70 Chevelle as a dailey driver. Every single time I take it out, i get some little prick come flying up behind me like they are hot s**t and it pisses me off. Perfect example as when I took it to the track last time. Kid in a junk Mustang almost lost it going past me and damn near took out the whole side of the car. Needless to say that kid will never do something like that again after I got done with him, he's lucky I did not beat the living crap out of him for it. One more thing, if someone told me when I was 16 that kids think it is a right to driver not a privilage like it is, I would have agreed with it. I still treat a license as a privilage because for one I would not be able to go to work and make money without it, and two I would be stuck home all the time depending on others to take me places, not gonna happen. I have never gotten a speeding ticket, never had any points, and I plan on keeping it that way. Yes I have been pulled over by the cops before, about 5 times speeding twice and I was let go. I became irritaded with driving after 6 months of having my license.OK topic closed now back to our regular Chevelle programmingTom70 Chevelle SS PS: all this came from one who is 22 years old
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no, in PA, it requires a 6 month permit, then you take yor
test. if you pass, you get your liscense.
- Original Message -
From:
Capt
Crunch
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 12:16
AM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car
Saftey
Chad... every kid thinks they are mature and know dang near everything at
your age. I'm not asking for a full fledge confession or anything. Just think
about some of the comments. I don't agree with all the things said... I can
hardly know who you really are behind your message, but you seem to sounds
like as soon as you turn 16 you get your license. That is expecting it to be
handed to you at age 16!!! You didn't say turn 16 so I can earn my license or
anything like that. Obviously this is not the House or the Senate, so you
don't need to worry about anything changing before you turn 16, but please do
think about some of the things said. And some day you will be on our side of
the fence. The best example I can give is bicyclists. You probably ride one
know and think they are fine, but I guarantee 6 months behind the wheel will
have you hating them more the ever! They ride in the road, hold up traffic,
dart across red lights, etc.
I have not and will not say anything about your maturity Chad, but I will
say I have never seen a 16 year old who is as mature as they think they are or
who is as mature as a 21, 22, or 25 year old. I'm sure your are mature for
your age and you obviously have good tastes in vehicles... but just think
before you do.
Mikey
- Original Message -
From:
Chad Playso
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 4:25
PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List]
Driving/Car Saftey
yea - i guess i can see it from your point of
view. but i feel more mature from most kids my age and i do and will
respect cars (older ones - that is). in my opinion - everyone has
something that they look back and say i wished i did this - or listened to
him...but what do you mean that i think its my right to drive a car? i
mean - i am happy to start driving - and its a thing that most kids like me
are looking forward to...well - im not offended anymore - but if the law
changed from 16 years of age to 18 - im gonna be pi$$ed.
- Original Message -
From:
Capt Crunch
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 2:11
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List]
Driving/Car Saftey
Yeah Chad... Sorry, I figured you would reply on this one, but
believe me if everyone over the age of 25 voted, I think a large number
would agree. I mean just the maturaty level jump is huge between 16 and 18
is huge. It happens again at 21 and it seems about your mid twenties most
people have grown up at least in reguards to more serious matters. When I
was your age I knew everything and I was invincable, but now that I am
older I look back and say I wish I listened to my dad... or I wish I did
this instead of this. Wait till you hit your mid twenties... heck I'm
afraid of what I'll be saying when I'm forty or fifty.
I know how you feel and you can hardly wait to drive, but I know I
did some plain flat dumb things at that age and I see even worse stuff
then that everyday from young drivers. Obviously not all young drivers do
stupid stuff, but I know the statistics show most young drivers get into
more accidents and more tickets then any other age group. I just finally
emerged from the under 25 bracket and wow did my insurance drop. Reality
would maybe say 16-18 yr olds can only drive during such hours or on such
roads, much like when you get a permit for a motorcycle. I'm sure you will
be at least a smart drive Chad as you won't want to bang up a Chevelle or
mustang or whatever, but most kids don't have that pride in their car.
Also driving like any skill will get better as you do it more. I think we
all made some young and dumb blunders in our day.
Don't feel bad Chad... I don't pick on young driver's other then
that. I'm the same way with DWI's. Just way too loose of rules. There are
just too many people who shouldn't be driving. Some elder drivers scare me
as well. Some of them can barely walk, none the less hit the brakes if a
kid was to dart in front of them. Then there are just the unskilled. I was
visiting my mom last weekend and she in reality can't back up a car unless
she goes perfectly straight. She can't parrell park. She can't see very
well at night. I'm sorry to say, she shoul
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uhhh...pretty much - i have no taste for newer cars...well, i aint gonna be like that...so...and plus, why would i target a newer car (or older car)? theres no point...also - so you thought it was a right to drive? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey In a message dated 7/17/2002 5:25:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but i feel more mature from most kids my age and i do and will respect cars (older ones - that is). So this means you will have no respect for the guys in newer cars riding along minding their own business? That in fact you may target a new car just for the fun of it? Target meaning fly up behind one, tailgating, and whatnot. This shows the immaturity level right here. Let me tell you one thing Chad. You are SUPPOSED to have courtesy on the road even though most now do not (at least in NJ). Seems to me that that you are the type that will take out a hot rod, flog it around and wrap it around a pole, just like so many did back when these cars were new. The general pattern I see is that those between the ages of 16-18 are careless behind the wheel, yes it seems a stereotype, but it's the truth with very few exceptions. The maturity level is not there, i don't care what opinion anyone has. They have bumped up the driving age to 18 in New Jersey and I am glad they did. I have so many examples of the Young and the Careless, it's not funny. This is why I did not decide to use my 70 Chevelle as a dailey driver. Every single time I take it out, i get some little prick come flying up behind me like they are hot s**t and it pisses me off. Perfect example as when I took it to the track last time. Kid in a junk Mustang almost lost it going past me and damn near took out the whole side of the car. Needless to say that kid will never do something like that again after I got done with him, he's lucky I did not beat the living crap out of him for it. One more thing, if someone told me when I was 16 that kids think it is a right to driver not a privilage like it is, I would have agreed with it. I still treat a license as a privilage because for one I would not be able to go to work and make money without it, and two I would be stuck home all the time depending on others to take me places, not gonna happen. I have never gotten a speeding ticket, never had any points, and I plan on keeping it that way. Yes I have been pulled over by the cops before, about 5 times speeding twice and I was let go. I became irritaded with driving after 6 months of having my license.OK topic closed now back to our regular Chevelle programmingTom70 Chevelle SS PS: all this came from one who is 22 years old
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In a message dated Wed, 17 Jul 2002 8:23:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > "so i bet when you were 16 - you thought it was a privalige to drive...yea > right." > > I did! Once the Judge at traffic court informed me that it was! 8). 8 points > in 6 months. My 69SS was defiantly a ticket magnet back then. It took years > to get off the high risk category from that time. There was a MD State boy > the made me his life work during that time. I wonder if he's retired yet? He > was always very pleasant when he would write me up one. Maybe Ill pay him > a visit once I get the ol girl restored. Just for kicks after 19 years I > still remember his full name LOL > > Seriously, You realize how much a privilege it is when you come that close > to loosing it. Or loose a few friends in highschool as I did. They though it > was there right to drive and they did. Stupidly. > > JDHall > > > - Original Message - > From: "Chad Playso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:41 PM > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "rocky hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 7:35 PM > > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > > > > > > > I'm with you, there is not a day goes by that I don't > > > see a car overloaded with kids,(read that as looking > > > young enough to have recieved there license that day) > > > doing every thing except driving!!! I just dont think > > > kids are mature enough today to have a full license at > > > 16. restricted at 16, and a full license at 18 is the > > > way to go. Kids think it's a right, not a privalige to > > > drive. > > > > > > Rocky Hill > > > My66SS http://www.geocities.com/rocks66ss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Capt Crunch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > How about the fact that they pretty much give > > > > driver's licenses away in a box of Cracker Jacks > > > > these days. I work about a mile from a driver's exam > > > > station and it is easy to find, but the number of > > > > brain dead morons, lazy people who don't want to > > > > take the energy to look at a map (or the road for > > > > signs for that matter), or people who can't speak > > > > english asking for it is unreal. I say "hey... if > > > > you can't find the driver's exam station you already > > > > fail map reading, trip preperation, and sign > > > > reading. You fail." > > > > IMO I would raise the driving age for lic. to 18 and > > > > keep permits or restricted lic. at 16. And make a > > > > real driving test to pass. I mean fake kids on bikes > > > > flying out from bushes and idiot driver's going > > > > through stop lights on their cell phone heheee. > > > > > > > > Mikey > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: Chevelle 69 > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:37 AM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > > > > > > > > Which brings up a thought or two: > > > > > > > > We, the people that, in most cases, turn wrenches on > > > > these cars, lift heavy metal parts on and off, > > > > install glass as needed, and know from life's > > > > experiences what can happen, have more of a close > > > > "in-touch" relationship with cars. We have more of a > > > > realization of several thousand pounds of glass and > > > > metal flying down the road at speeds unknown to man > > > > just a hundred years ago. > > > > > > > > Although some of us are guilty of indulging in the > > > > thrill that a muscle car is so famous for, and I > > > > can't say I won't ever myself. I guess it's like > > > > rock climbing or parachuting..with added dangers > > > > for innocent bystanders and precious classic cars > > > > that may not survive to be passed on. > > > > > > > > Compare that to a young person ( and some older ones > > > > ) who only think to get in, turn the key, and press > > >
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Funny how that works... I was a pretty good driver except for my street racing at a local underground spot and an occasionally high speed blast at dawn in the middle of nowhere. Well that got me nailed when I got clocked at an almost unreal 132 mph in my old 70 Z28. I was very lucky I only got nailed with every charge in the book and was thrown around like a rag doll and slammed into the back of the squad car. I then was chewed out... left to sweat it out until finally he let me go only because I stopped and he was not about to call a chopper to pursue me. I was lucky it was a small town cop in ND. I thought for sure I was going to jail. Overall the experience cost me all my points in the state of North Dakota but one (so any violation would of cost me my license), about $1800 in fines, class charges, etc., 100 hundred hours of community service, and one pair of $5.99 boxer shorts. Mikey - Original Message - From: JDHall Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey "so i bet when you were 16 - you thought it was a privalige to drive...yearight."I did! Once the Judge at traffic court informed me that it was! 8). 8 pointsin 6 months. My 69SS was defiantly a ticket magnet back then. It took yearsto get off the high risk category from that time. There was a MD State boythe made me his life work during that time. I wonder if he's retired yet? Hewas always very pleasant when he would write me up one. Maybe Ill pay hima visit once I get the ol girl restored. Just for kicks after 19 years Istill remember his full name LOLSeriously, You realize how much a privilege it is when you come that closeto loosing it. Or loose a few friends in highschool as I did. They though itwas there right to drive and they did. Stupidly.JDHall
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Chad... every kid thinks they are mature and know dang near everything at your age. I'm not asking for a full fledge confession or anything. Just think about some of the comments. I don't agree with all the things said... I can hardly know who you really are behind your message, but you seem to sounds like as soon as you turn 16 you get your license. That is expecting it to be handed to you at age 16!!! You didn't say turn 16 so I can earn my license or anything like that. Obviously this is not the House or the Senate, so you don't need to worry about anything changing before you turn 16, but please do think about some of the things said. And some day you will be on our side of the fence. The best example I can give is bicyclists. You probably ride one know and think they are fine, but I guarantee 6 months behind the wheel will have you hating them more the ever! They ride in the road, hold up traffic, dart across red lights, etc. I have not and will not say anything about your maturity Chad, but I will say I have never seen a 16 year old who is as mature as they think they are or who is as mature as a 21, 22, or 25 year old. I'm sure your are mature for your age and you obviously have good tastes in vehicles... but just think before you do. Mikey - Original Message - From: Chad Playso Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 4:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey yea - i guess i can see it from your point of view. but i feel more mature from most kids my age and i do and will respect cars (older ones - that is). in my opinion - everyone has something that they look back and say i wished i did this - or listened to him...but what do you mean that i think its my right to drive a car? i mean - i am happy to start driving - and its a thing that most kids like me are looking forward to...well - im not offended anymore - but if the law changed from 16 years of age to 18 - im gonna be pi$$ed. - Original Message - From: Capt Crunch To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey Yeah Chad... Sorry, I figured you would reply on this one, but believe me if everyone over the age of 25 voted, I think a large number would agree. I mean just the maturaty level jump is huge between 16 and 18 is huge. It happens again at 21 and it seems about your mid twenties most people have grown up at least in reguards to more serious matters. When I was your age I knew everything and I was invincable, but now that I am older I look back and say I wish I listened to my dad... or I wish I did this instead of this. Wait till you hit your mid twenties... heck I'm afraid of what I'll be saying when I'm forty or fifty. I know how you feel and you can hardly wait to drive, but I know I did some plain flat dumb things at that age and I see even worse stuff then that everyday from young drivers. Obviously not all young drivers do stupid stuff, but I know the statistics show most young drivers get into more accidents and more tickets then any other age group. I just finally emerged from the under 25 bracket and wow did my insurance drop. Reality would maybe say 16-18 yr olds can only drive during such hours or on such roads, much like when you get a permit for a motorcycle. I'm sure you will be at least a smart drive Chad as you won't want to bang up a Chevelle or mustang or whatever, but most kids don't have that pride in their car. Also driving like any skill will get better as you do it more. I think we all made some young and dumb blunders in our day. Don't feel bad Chad... I don't pick on young driver's other then that. I'm the same way with DWI's. Just way too loose of rules. There are just too many people who shouldn't be driving. Some elder drivers scare me as well. Some of them can barely walk, none the less hit the brakes if a kid was to dart in front of them. Then there are just the unskilled. I was visiting my mom last weekend and she in reality can't back up a car unless she goes perfectly straight. She can't parrell park. She can't see very well at night. I'm sorry to say, she shouldn't be driving with full privilages. If a guy operating a crane or a tractor was like that...they would be fired. Overall... most people today think it is their right to drive a car, instead of the privilage that it is. Dave also mentions some very good points as well. Mikey - Original Message ----- From: Chad Playso Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey dude - thats offensive! im 15 and i just CANNOT wait till i drive when im 16 - and then now you say that you want the driving age to be 18! how did you feel when u started driving? - Original Message ----- From: Capt Crunch To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, Ju
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I am sorry, but now I have to say something. I did not take Chad’s comment to mean that he would not respect newer cars on the road. But, as every old car lover does, you just notice old cars more and take more care around them. And, if we are talking about maturity, please do not cuss on a public list group. Thanks Brenna -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey In a message dated 7/17/2002 5:25:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but i feel more mature from most kids my age and i do and will respect cars (older ones - that is). So this means you will have no respect for the guys in newer cars riding along minding their own business? That in fact you may target a new car just for the fun of it? Target meaning fly up behind one, tailgating, and whatnot. This shows the immaturity level right here. Let me tell you one thing Chad. You are SUPPOSED to have courtesy on the road even though most now do not (at least in NJ). Seems to me that that you are the type that will take out a hot rod, flog it around and wrap it around a pole, just like so many did back when these cars were new. The general pattern I see is that those between the ages of 16-18 are careless behind the wheel, yes it seems a stereotype, but it's the truth with very few exceptions. The maturity level is not there, i don't care what opinion anyone has. They have bumped up the driving age to 18 in New Jersey and I am glad they did. I have so many examples of the Young and the Careless, it's not funny. This is why I did not decide to use my 70 Chevelle as a dailey driver. Every single time I take it out, i get some little prick come flying up behind me like they are hot s**t and it pisses me off. Perfect example as when I took it to the track last time. Kid in a junk Mustang almost lost it going past me and damn near took out the whole side of the car. Needless to say that kid will never do something like that again after I got done with him, he's lucky I did not beat the living crap out of him for it. One more thing, if someone told me when I was 16 that kids think it is a right to driver not a privilage like it is, I would have agreed with it. I still treat a license as a privilage because for one I would not be able to go to work and make money without it, and two I would be stuck home all the time depending on others to take me places, not gonna happen. I have never gotten a speeding ticket, never had any points, and I plan on keeping it that way. Yes I have been pulled over by the cops before, about 5 times speeding twice and I was let go. I became irritaded with driving after 6 months of having my license. OK topic closed now back to our regular Chevelle programming Tom 70 Chevelle SS PS: all this came from one who is 22 years old
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Preach on brother Dale! Most cell phones have a vibrate feature... use it! If you are gonna pay for something at the store or whatever and are on the phone. Calll them back. At least give the employee that much respect and courtesy. Mikey - Original Message - From: 396guy Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 5:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > How many points do you get when you hit a cell phone user?>Where's the appropriate location for the sticker when you do get one? Onthe door or on the window? :*)I saw a report on TV and it's not just those with a phone in their hands.Eye movement and brain wave detection showed that even a ~hands free~ phonecaused the user to have much slower reaction time because they were thinkingof the conversation and not the roadway.If it's a business phone, fine. Pull off the road and talk to your homeoffice or customer. If it's for emergency use (like mine is on the road),you've already broke down and should be on the side of the road anyway.Almost forgot, turn the phone off when you're in a restaurant or X-Mart.Nobody cares about your personal problems or the new deal you just closed.Dale-To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.htmlTo start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In a message dated 7/17/2002 5:25:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but i feel more mature from most kids my age and i do and will respect cars (older ones - that is). So this means you will have no respect for the guys in newer cars riding along minding their own business? That in fact you may target a new car just for the fun of it? Target meaning fly up behind one, tailgating, and whatnot. This shows the immaturity level right here. Let me tell you one thing Chad. You are SUPPOSED to have courtesy on the road even though most now do not (at least in NJ). Seems to me that that you are the type that will take out a hot rod, flog it around and wrap it around a pole, just like so many did back when these cars were new. The general pattern I see is that those between the ages of 16-18 are careless behind the wheel, yes it seems a stereotype, but it's the truth with very few exceptions. The maturity level is not there, i don't care what opinion anyone has. They have bumped up the driving age to 18 in New Jersey and I am glad they did. I have so many examples of the Young and the Careless, it's not funny. This is why I did not decide to use my 70 Chevelle as a dailey driver. Every single time I take it out, i get some little prick come flying up behind me like they are hot s**t and it pisses me off. Perfect example as when I took it to the track last time. Kid in a junk Mustang almost lost it going past me and damn near took out the whole side of the car. Needless to say that kid will never do something like that again after I got done with him, he's lucky I did not beat the living crap out of him for it. One more thing, if someone told me when I was 16 that kids think it is a right to driver not a privilage like it is, I would have agreed with it. I still treat a license as a privilage because for one I would not be able to go to work and make money without it, and two I would be stuck home all the time depending on others to take me places, not gonna happen. I have never gotten a speeding ticket, never had any points, and I plan on keeping it that way. Yes I have been pulled over by the cops before, about 5 times speeding twice and I was let go. I became irritaded with driving after 6 months of having my license. OK topic closed now back to our regular Chevelle programming Tom 70 Chevelle SS PS: all this came from one who is 22 years old
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>That sounds like fun to me,where do we sign up? >How many points do you get when you hit a cell phone user? Not nearly as many as when you hit one of those ice cream cartsextra points when they are ringing the bells (which is ALWAYS). I wanna get someone to program a video game called the Ice Cream Manhave Van Halen's song playing in the background and using mini-guns mounted on a turrets(Since we get no less than four a day by the house, it's a sore spot hearin' 'em constantly ringing the bells). For those of you who have no idea what I'm talkin' about...count your blessings. Kelly & Jana Hanna www.hannawoodworks.com
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and i believe you that you thought it was a privalige to drive, as i will too. i never even thought it was my RIGHT to drive...i am just looking forward to driving as to me, its one of the most exciting things to happen to me. PS - hows your project coming along? Chad - Original Message - From: "JDHall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > "so i bet when you were 16 - you thought it was a privalige to drive...yea > right." > > I did! Once the Judge at traffic court informed me that it was! 8). 8 points > in 6 months. My 69SS was defiantly a ticket magnet back then. It took years > to get off the high risk category from that time. There was a MD State boy > the made me his life work during that time. I wonder if he's retired yet? He > was always very pleasant when he would write me up one. Maybe Ill pay him > a visit once I get the ol girl restored. Just for kicks after 19 years I > still remember his full name LOL > > Seriously, You realize how much a privilege it is when you come that close > to loosing it. Or loose a few friends in highschool as I did. They though it > was there right to drive and they did. Stupidly. > > JDHall > > > - Original Message - > From: "Chad Playso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:41 PM > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > > > > > > > - Original Message ----- > > From: "rocky hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 7:35 PM > > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > > > > > > > I'm with you, there is not a day goes by that I don't > > > see a car overloaded with kids,(read that as looking > > > young enough to have recieved there license that day) > > > doing every thing except driving!!! I just dont think > > > kids are mature enough today to have a full license at > > > 16. restricted at 16, and a full license at 18 is the > > > way to go. Kids think it's a right, not a privalige to > > > drive. > > > > > > Rocky Hill > > > My66SS http://www.geocities.com/rocks66ss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Capt Crunch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > How about the fact that they pretty much give > > > > driver's licenses away in a box of Cracker Jacks > > > > these days. I work about a mile from a driver's exam > > > > station and it is easy to find, but the number of > > > > brain dead morons, lazy people who don't want to > > > > take the energy to look at a map (or the road for > > > > signs for that matter), or people who can't speak > > > > english asking for it is unreal. I say "hey... if > > > > you can't find the driver's exam station you already > > > > fail map reading, trip preperation, and sign > > > > reading. You fail." > > > > IMO I would raise the driving age for lic. to 18 and > > > > keep permits or restricted lic. at 16. And make a > > > > real driving test to pass. I mean fake kids on bikes > > > > flying out from bushes and idiot driver's going > > > > through stop lights on their cell phone heheee. > > > > > > > > Mikey > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: Chevelle 69 > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:37 AM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > > > > > > > > Which brings up a thought or two: > > > > > > > > We, the people that, in most cases, turn wrenches on > > > > these cars, lift heavy metal parts on and off, > > > > install glass as needed, and know from life's > > > > experiences what can happen, have more of a close > > > > "in-touch" relationship with cars. We have more of a > > > > realization of several thousand pounds of glass and > > > > metal flying down the road at speeds unknown to man > > > > just a hundred years ago. > > > > > > > > Although some of us are guilty of indulging in the > > > > thrill that a muscle car is so famous for, and I > > > > can't say I won&
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humm...you say that kids today think its a right to drive, not a privilage. did you ever think that maybe i dont think that way, or maybe that my dad is teaching me that its a privalige to drive and own a car? JMHO... PS - people who tell other people that they are not mature, are not mature themselves... Chad - Original Message - From: "rocky hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > Chad, > you dont seem mature enough to respond to someones > opinion like an adult, so why would I want someone > like you running around like a yard ape behind the > wheel of a car, is that RADICAL ENOUGH FOR YOU DUDE! > and it just might be tough for you to understand, but > my dad did teach me it was a privalige and not a right > to drive a car. > > Rocky Hill > > > > --- Chad Playso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > so i bet when you were 16 - you thought it was a > > privalige to drive...yea > > right. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "rocky hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 7:35 PM > > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > > > > > > > I'm with you, there is not a day goes by that I > > don't > > > see a car overloaded with kids,(read that as > > looking > > > young enough to have recieved there license that > > day) > > > doing every thing except driving!!! I just dont > > think > > > kids are mature enough today to have a full > > license at > > > 16. restricted at 16, and a full license at 18 is > > the > > > way to go. Kids think it's a right, not a > > privalige to > > > drive. > > > > > > Rocky Hill > > > My66SS http://www.geocities.com/rocks66ss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Capt Crunch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > How about the fact that they pretty much give > > > > driver's licenses away in a box of Cracker Jacks > > > > these days. I work about a mile from a driver's > > exam > > > > station and it is easy to find, but the number > > of > > > > brain dead morons, lazy people who don't want to > > > > take the energy to look at a map (or the road > > for > > > > signs for that matter), or people who can't > > speak > > > > english asking for it is unreal. I say "hey... > > if > > > > you can't find the driver's exam station you > > already > > > > fail map reading, trip preperation, and sign > > > > reading. You fail." > > > > IMO I would raise the driving age for lic. to 18 > > and > > > > keep permits or restricted lic. at 16. And make > > a > > > > real driving test to pass. I mean fake kids on > > bikes > > > > flying out from bushes and idiot driver's going > > > > through stop lights on their cell phone heheee. > > > > > > > > Mikey > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: Chevelle 69 > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:37 AM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > > > > > > > > Which brings up a thought or two: > > > > > > > > We, the people that, in most cases, turn > > wrenches on > > > > these cars, lift heavy metal parts on and off, > > > > install glass as needed, and know from life's > > > > experiences what can happen, have more of a > > close > > > > "in-touch" relationship with cars. We have more > > of a > > > > realization of several thousand pounds of glass > > and > > > > metal flying down the road at speeds unknown to > > man > > > > just a hundred years ago. > > > > > > > > Although some of us are guilty of indulging in > > the > > > > thrill that a muscle car is so famous for, and I > > > > can't say I won't ever myself. I guess it's like > > > > rock climbing or parachuting..with added > > dangers > > >
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>1: People don't take pride in their cars anymore, (would you blame them) >They all look the same & are designed to only last a few yrs , you have >to take them to a dealer to get them fixed. How many yrs do you think >they will stock the computer chip that runs that car? Sorry that chip >is no longer available, you will have to buy a new car. Bingo Dave! >3: They think with all the air bags & "safety features" they won't get hurt, >and the ins Co will replace it with a new one, (they can get another >color). Safer they are not. I laugh at the "crumple zone" snow job that most people believe. The guy that hit Jana got hurt a lot more than she did (even though her head broke the back glass). He was belted and the air bag deployed...he was also hospitalized for a week. >4: A lot of people now can't even read the drivers test, & a whole lot of them >driving don't even have a drivers licence. Much less ins. Another good pointthat's why they drive so slowly...to avoid the cops...they can't pay 'em off here! >5: People now-a-days are NOT like us, we have built cars almost from the ground >up, blood, sweat & tears. I remember cars (57 yrs old) from the time >you could >see a car on the road & KNEW what it was. Not so now. A car to them is just >something to get them from point A to point B (while talking on the >cell PH). > >6: It is very sad. All good points Dave. Cookie Cutter cars for Cookie Cutter people...very, very sad indeed. I've seen 5-6 year old cars and trucks selling for less than $5k recently here...resale is in the toilet! Kelly & Jana Hanna www.hannawoodworks.com
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"so i bet when you were 16 - you thought it was a privalige to drive...yea right." I did! Once the Judge at traffic court informed me that it was! 8). 8 points in 6 months. My 69SS was defiantly a ticket magnet back then. It took years to get off the high risk category from that time. There was a MD State boy the made me his life work during that time. I wonder if he's retired yet? He was always very pleasant when he would write me up one. Maybe Ill pay him a visit once I get the ol girl restored. Just for kicks after 19 years I still remember his full name LOL Seriously, You realize how much a privilege it is when you come that close to loosing it. Or loose a few friends in highschool as I did. They though it was there right to drive and they did. Stupidly. JDHall - Original Message - From: "Chad Playso" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > > > - Original Message - > From: "rocky hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 7:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > > > > I'm with you, there is not a day goes by that I don't > > see a car overloaded with kids,(read that as looking > > young enough to have recieved there license that day) > > doing every thing except driving!!! I just dont think > > kids are mature enough today to have a full license at > > 16. restricted at 16, and a full license at 18 is the > > way to go. Kids think it's a right, not a privalige to > > drive. > > > > Rocky Hill > > My66SS http://www.geocities.com/rocks66ss > > > > > > > > > > --- Capt Crunch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > How about the fact that they pretty much give > > > driver's licenses away in a box of Cracker Jacks > > > these days. I work about a mile from a driver's exam > > > station and it is easy to find, but the number of > > > brain dead morons, lazy people who don't want to > > > take the energy to look at a map (or the road for > > > signs for that matter), or people who can't speak > > > english asking for it is unreal. I say "hey... if > > > you can't find the driver's exam station you already > > > fail map reading, trip preperation, and sign > > > reading. You fail." > > > IMO I would raise the driving age for lic. to 18 and > > > keep permits or restricted lic. at 16. And make a > > > real driving test to pass. I mean fake kids on bikes > > > flying out from bushes and idiot driver's going > > > through stop lights on their cell phone heheee. > > > > > > Mikey > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: Chevelle 69 > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:37 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > > > > > > Which brings up a thought or two: > > > > > > We, the people that, in most cases, turn wrenches on > > > these cars, lift heavy metal parts on and off, > > > install glass as needed, and know from life's > > > experiences what can happen, have more of a close > > > "in-touch" relationship with cars. We have more of a > > > realization of several thousand pounds of glass and > > > metal flying down the road at speeds unknown to man > > > just a hundred years ago. > > > > > > Although some of us are guilty of indulging in the > > > thrill that a muscle car is so famous for, and I > > > can't say I won't ever myself. I guess it's like > > > rock climbing or parachuting..with added dangers > > > for innocent bystanders and precious classic cars > > > that may not survive to be passed on. > > > > > > Compare that to a young person ( and some older ones > > > ) who only think to get in, turn the key, and press > > > the pedal farther down to hurry up to get to an > > > "important appointment". I know that accidents were > > > stressed to me in drivers training many years ago, > > > but people tend to think it won't happen to them and > > > what can happen if they are not careful goes to the > > > back of the mind. Getting there quickly while doing > > > other things that "need" to get done are what is on > > > their mind. > > > > > > The thought of the car I am rebuilding not havi
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Chad, you dont seem mature enough to respond to someones opinion like an adult, so why would I want someone like you running around like a yard ape behind the wheel of a car, is that RADICAL ENOUGH FOR YOU DUDE! and it just might be tough for you to understand, but my dad did teach me it was a privalige and not a right to drive a car. Rocky Hill --- Chad Playso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > so i bet when you were 16 - you thought it was a > privalige to drive...yea > right. > > - Original Message - > From: "rocky hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 7:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > > > > I'm with you, there is not a day goes by that I > don't > > see a car overloaded with kids,(read that as > looking > > young enough to have recieved there license that > day) > > doing every thing except driving!!! I just dont > think > > kids are mature enough today to have a full > license at > > 16. restricted at 16, and a full license at 18 is > the > > way to go. Kids think it's a right, not a > privalige to > > drive. > > > > Rocky Hill > > My66SS http://www.geocities.com/rocks66ss > > > > > > > > > > --- Capt Crunch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > How about the fact that they pretty much give > > > driver's licenses away in a box of Cracker Jacks > > > these days. I work about a mile from a driver's > exam > > > station and it is easy to find, but the number > of > > > brain dead morons, lazy people who don't want to > > > take the energy to look at a map (or the road > for > > > signs for that matter), or people who can't > speak > > > english asking for it is unreal. I say "hey... > if > > > you can't find the driver's exam station you > already > > > fail map reading, trip preperation, and sign > > > reading. You fail." > > > IMO I would raise the driving age for lic. to 18 > and > > > keep permits or restricted lic. at 16. And make > a > > > real driving test to pass. I mean fake kids on > bikes > > > flying out from bushes and idiot driver's going > > > through stop lights on their cell phone heheee. > > > > > > Mikey > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: Chevelle 69 > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:37 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > > > > > > Which brings up a thought or two: > > > > > > We, the people that, in most cases, turn > wrenches on > > > these cars, lift heavy metal parts on and off, > > > install glass as needed, and know from life's > > > experiences what can happen, have more of a > close > > > "in-touch" relationship with cars. We have more > of a > > > realization of several thousand pounds of glass > and > > > metal flying down the road at speeds unknown to > man > > > just a hundred years ago. > > > > > > Although some of us are guilty of indulging in > the > > > thrill that a muscle car is so famous for, and I > > > can't say I won't ever myself. I guess it's like > > > rock climbing or parachuting..with added > dangers > > > for innocent bystanders and precious classic > cars > > > that may not survive to be passed on. > > > > > > Compare that to a young person ( and some older > ones > > > ) who only think to get in, turn the key, and > press > > > the pedal farther down to hurry up to get to an > > > "important appointment". I know that accidents > were > > > stressed to me in drivers training many years > ago, > > > but people tend to think it won't happen to them > and > > > what can happen if they are not careful goes to > the > > > back of the mind. Getting there quickly while > doing > > > other things that "need" to get done are what is > on > > > their mind. > > > > > > The thought of the car I am rebuilding not > having > > > many of the safety features of today's cars also > > > plays on my mind at times. More than once I have > > > wondered what it would take to install anti-lock > > > brakes and air bags on my 69 Chevelle. > > > > > > > >
Re:[Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey
Well said steve. -- "Chevelle 69" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Which brings up a thought or two: We, the people that, in most cases, turn wrenches on these cars, lift heavy metal parts on and off, install glass as needed, and know from life's experiences what can happen, have more of a close "in-touch" relationship with cars. We have more of a realization of several thousand pounds of glass and metal flying down the road at speeds unknown to man just a hundred years ago. Although some of us are guilty of indulging in the thrill that a muscle car is so famous for, and I can't say I won't ever myself. I guess it's like rock climbing or parachuting..with added dangers for innocent bystanders and precious classic cars that may not survive to be passed on. Compare that to a young person ( and some older ones ) who only think to get in, turn the key, and press the pedal farther down to hurry up to get to an "important appointment". I know that accidents were stressed to me in drivers training many years ago, but people tend to think it won't happen to them and what can happen if they are not careful goes to the back of the mind. Getting there quickly while doing other things that "need" to get done are what is on their mind. The thought of the car I am rebuilding not having many of the safety features of today's cars also plays on my mind at times. More than once I have wondered what it would take to install anti-lock brakes and air bags on my 69 Chevelle. Steve - I agree too! BUT, I've seen people reading newspapers, shaving, putting on make-up, eating two-fisted hoagies, etc. while behind the wheel. A lot of people are just plain oblivious to the dangers of distraction behind the wheel. My point is where do you stop? The starting point should, in my opinion, be better driver ed programs. rick schaefer 72 El camino http://www.endrud.net/elcamino/rick1972elky.html ACES #00140 Team Chevelle #00038 - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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so i bet when you were 16 - you thought it was a privalige to drive...yea right. - Original Message - From: "rocky hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > I'm with you, there is not a day goes by that I don't > see a car overloaded with kids,(read that as looking > young enough to have recieved there license that day) > doing every thing except driving!!! I just dont think > kids are mature enough today to have a full license at > 16. restricted at 16, and a full license at 18 is the > way to go. Kids think it's a right, not a privalige to > drive. > > Rocky Hill > My66SS http://www.geocities.com/rocks66ss > > > > > --- Capt Crunch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How about the fact that they pretty much give > > driver's licenses away in a box of Cracker Jacks > > these days. I work about a mile from a driver's exam > > station and it is easy to find, but the number of > > brain dead morons, lazy people who don't want to > > take the energy to look at a map (or the road for > > signs for that matter), or people who can't speak > > english asking for it is unreal. I say "hey... if > > you can't find the driver's exam station you already > > fail map reading, trip preperation, and sign > > reading. You fail." > > IMO I would raise the driving age for lic. to 18 and > > keep permits or restricted lic. at 16. And make a > > real driving test to pass. I mean fake kids on bikes > > flying out from bushes and idiot driver's going > > through stop lights on their cell phone heheee. > > > > Mikey > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Chevelle 69 > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:37 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > > > > Which brings up a thought or two: > > > > We, the people that, in most cases, turn wrenches on > > these cars, lift heavy metal parts on and off, > > install glass as needed, and know from life's > > experiences what can happen, have more of a close > > "in-touch" relationship with cars. We have more of a > > realization of several thousand pounds of glass and > > metal flying down the road at speeds unknown to man > > just a hundred years ago. > > > > Although some of us are guilty of indulging in the > > thrill that a muscle car is so famous for, and I > > can't say I won't ever myself. I guess it's like > > rock climbing or parachuting..with added dangers > > for innocent bystanders and precious classic cars > > that may not survive to be passed on. > > > > Compare that to a young person ( and some older ones > > ) who only think to get in, turn the key, and press > > the pedal farther down to hurry up to get to an > > "important appointment". I know that accidents were > > stressed to me in drivers training many years ago, > > but people tend to think it won't happen to them and > > what can happen if they are not careful goes to the > > back of the mind. Getting there quickly while doing > > other things that "need" to get done are what is on > > their mind. > > > > The thought of the car I am rebuilding not having > > many of the safety features of today's cars also > > plays on my mind at times. More than once I have > > wondered what it would take to install anti-lock > > brakes and air bags on my 69 Chevelle. > > > > > > > > Steve > > > -- --- > > I agree too! BUT, I've seen people reading > > newspapers, shaving, putting on make-up, eating > > two-fisted hoagies, etc. while behind the wheel. A > > lot of people are just plain oblivious to the > > dangers of distraction behind the wheel. My point is > > where do you stop? The starting point should, in my > > opinion, be better driver ed programs. > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm with you, there is not a day goes by that I don't see a car overloaded with kids,(read that as looking young enough to have recieved there license that day) doing every thing except driving!!! I just dont think kids are mature enough today to have a full license at 16. restricted at 16, and a full license at 18 is the way to go. Kids think it's a right, not a privalige to drive. Rocky Hill My66SS http://www.geocities.com/rocks66ss --- Capt Crunch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How about the fact that they pretty much give > driver's licenses away in a box of Cracker Jacks > these days. I work about a mile from a driver's exam > station and it is easy to find, but the number of > brain dead morons, lazy people who don't want to > take the energy to look at a map (or the road for > signs for that matter), or people who can't speak > english asking for it is unreal. I say "hey... if > you can't find the driver's exam station you already > fail map reading, trip preperation, and sign > reading. You fail." > IMO I would raise the driving age for lic. to 18 and > keep permits or restricted lic. at 16. And make a > real driving test to pass. I mean fake kids on bikes > flying out from bushes and idiot driver's going > through stop lights on their cell phone heheee. > > Mikey > > - Original Message ----- > From: Chevelle 69 > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:37 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > > Which brings up a thought or two: > > We, the people that, in most cases, turn wrenches on > these cars, lift heavy metal parts on and off, > install glass as needed, and know from life's > experiences what can happen, have more of a close > "in-touch" relationship with cars. We have more of a > realization of several thousand pounds of glass and > metal flying down the road at speeds unknown to man > just a hundred years ago. > > Although some of us are guilty of indulging in the > thrill that a muscle car is so famous for, and I > can't say I won't ever myself. I guess it's like > rock climbing or parachuting..with added dangers > for innocent bystanders and precious classic cars > that may not survive to be passed on. > > Compare that to a young person ( and some older ones > ) who only think to get in, turn the key, and press > the pedal farther down to hurry up to get to an > "important appointment". I know that accidents were > stressed to me in drivers training many years ago, > but people tend to think it won't happen to them and > what can happen if they are not careful goes to the > back of the mind. Getting there quickly while doing > other things that "need" to get done are what is on > their mind. > > The thought of the car I am rebuilding not having > many of the safety features of today's cars also > plays on my mind at times. More than once I have > wondered what it would take to install anti-lock > brakes and air bags on my 69 Chevelle. > > > > Steve > - > I agree too! BUT, I've seen people reading > newspapers, shaving, putting on make-up, eating > two-fisted hoagies, etc. while behind the wheel. A > lot of people are just plain oblivious to the > dangers of distraction behind the wheel. My point is > where do you stop? The starting point should, in my > opinion, be better driver ed programs. > __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> How many points do you get when you hit a cell phone user? > Where's the appropriate location for the sticker when you do get one? On the door or on the window? :*) I saw a report on TV and it's not just those with a phone in their hands. Eye movement and brain wave detection showed that even a ~hands free~ phone caused the user to have much slower reaction time because they were thinking of the conversation and not the roadway. If it's a business phone, fine. Pull off the road and talk to your home office or customer. If it's for emergency use (like mine is on the road), you've already broke down and should be on the side of the road anyway. Almost forgot, turn the phone off when you're in a restaurant or X-Mart. Nobody cares about your personal problems or the new deal you just closed. Dale - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Very well said Capt.
Don
Yeah Chad... Sorry, I figured you would reply on this one, but believe me
if everyone over the age of 25 voted, I think a large number would agree. I
mean just the maturaty level jump is huge between 16 and 18 is huge. It
happens again at 21 and it seems about your mid twenties most people have
grown up at least in reguards to more serious matters. When I was your age I
knew everything and I was invincable, but now that I am older I look back and
say I wish I listened to my dad... or I wish I did this instead of this. Wait
till you hit your mid twenties... heck I'm afraid of what I'll be saying when
I'm forty or fifty.
I know how you feel and you can hardly wait to drive, but I know I did
some plain flat dumb things at that age and I see even worse stuff then that
everyday from young drivers. Obviously not all young drivers do stupid stuff,
but I know the statistics show most young drivers get into more accidents and
more tickets then any other age group. I just finally emerged from the under
25 bracket and wow did my insurance drop. Reality would maybe say 16-18 yr
olds can only drive during such hours or on such roads, much like when you get
a permit for a motorcycle. I'm sure you will be at least a smart drive Chad as
you won't want to bang up a Chevelle or mustang or whatever, but most kids
don't have that pride in their car. Also driving like any skill will get
better as you do it more. I think we all made some young and dumb blunders in
our day.
Don't feel bad Chad... I don't pick on young driver's other then that.
I'm the same way with DWI's. Just way too loose of rules. There are just too
many people who shouldn't be driving. Some elder drivers scare me as well.
Some of them can barely walk, none the less hit the brakes if a kid was to
dart in front of them. Then there are just the unskilled. I was visiting my
mom last weekend and she in reality can't back up a car unless she goes
perfectly straight. She can't parrell park. She can't see very well at night.
I'm sorry to say, she shouldn't be driving with full privilages. If a guy
operating a crane or a tractor was like that...they would be fired.
Overall... most people today think it is
their right to drive a car, instead of the privilage that it
is.
Dave also mentions some very good points as well.
Mikey
- Original Message -
From:
Chad Playso
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:37
PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List]
Driving/Car Saftey
dude - thats offensive! im 15 and i just CANNOT
wait till i drive when im 16 - and then now you say that you want the
driving age to be 18! how did you feel when u started
driving?
- Original Message -
From:
Capt Crunch
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:50
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List]
Driving/Car Saftey
How about the fact that they pretty much give driver's licenses away
in a box of Cracker Jacks these days. I work about a mile from a driver's
exam station and it is easy to find, but the number of brain dead morons,
lazy people who don't want to take the energy to look at a map (or the
road for signs for that matter), or people who can't speak english
asking for it is unreal. I say "hey... if you can't find the driver's exam
station you already fail map reading, trip preperation, and sign reading.
You fail."
IMO I would raise the driving age for lic. to 18 and keep permits or
restricted lic. at 16. And make a real driving test to pass. I mean fake
kids on bikes flying out from bushes and idiot driver's going through stop
lights on their cell phone heheee.
Mikey
- Original Message -
From:
Chevelle 69
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002
11:37 AM
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Chevelle-List]
Driving/Car Saftey
Which brings up a thought or
two:
We, the people that, in most cases, turn
wrenches on these cars, lift heavy metal parts on and off, install glass
as needed, and know from life's experiences what can happen, have
more of a close "in-touch" relationship with cars. We have
more of a realization of several thousand pounds of glass and metal
flying down the road at speeds unknown to man just a hundred years
ago.
Although some of us are guilty of indulging in
the thrill that a muscle car is so famou
Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey
yea - i guess i can see it from your point of view.
but i feel more mature from most kids my age and i do and will respect cars
(older ones - that is). in my opinion - everyone has something that they
look back and say i wished i did this - or listened to him...but what do you
mean that i think its my right to drive a car? i mean - i am happy to
start driving - and its a thing that most kids like me are looking forward
to...well - im not offended anymore - but if the law changed from 16 years of
age to 18 - im gonna be pi$$ed.
- Original Message -
From:
Capt
Crunch
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 2:11
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car
Saftey
Yeah Chad... Sorry, I figured you would reply on this one, but believe me
if everyone over the age of 25 voted, I think a large number would agree. I
mean just the maturaty level jump is huge between 16 and 18 is huge. It
happens again at 21 and it seems about your mid twenties most people have
grown up at least in reguards to more serious matters. When I was your age I
knew everything and I was invincable, but now that I am older I look back and
say I wish I listened to my dad... or I wish I did this instead of this. Wait
till you hit your mid twenties... heck I'm afraid of what I'll be saying when
I'm forty or fifty.
I know how you feel and you can hardly wait to drive, but I know I did
some plain flat dumb things at that age and I see even worse stuff then that
everyday from young drivers. Obviously not all young drivers do stupid stuff,
but I know the statistics show most young drivers get into more accidents and
more tickets then any other age group. I just finally emerged from the under
25 bracket and wow did my insurance drop. Reality would maybe say 16-18 yr
olds can only drive during such hours or on such roads, much like when you get
a permit for a motorcycle. I'm sure you will be at least a smart drive Chad as
you won't want to bang up a Chevelle or mustang or whatever, but most kids
don't have that pride in their car. Also driving like any skill will get
better as you do it more. I think we all made some young and dumb blunders in
our day.
Don't feel bad Chad... I don't pick on young driver's other then that.
I'm the same way with DWI's. Just way too loose of rules. There are just too
many people who shouldn't be driving. Some elder drivers scare me as well.
Some of them can barely walk, none the less hit the brakes if a kid was to
dart in front of them. Then there are just the unskilled. I was visiting my
mom last weekend and she in reality can't back up a car unless she goes
perfectly straight. She can't parrell park. She can't see very well at night.
I'm sorry to say, she shouldn't be driving with full privilages. If a guy
operating a crane or a tractor was like that...they would be fired.
Overall... most people today think it is
their right to drive a car, instead of the privilage that it
is.
Dave also mentions some very good points as well.
Mikey
- Original Message -
From:
Chad Playso
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:37
PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List]
Driving/Car Saftey
dude - thats offensive! im 15 and i just CANNOT
wait till i drive when im 16 - and then now you say that you want the
driving age to be 18! how did you feel when u started
driving?
- Original Message -
From:
Capt Crunch
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:50
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List]
Driving/Car Saftey
How about the fact that they pretty much give driver's licenses away
in a box of Cracker Jacks these days. I work about a mile from a driver's
exam station and it is easy to find, but the number of brain dead morons,
lazy people who don't want to take the energy to look at a map (or the
road for signs for that matter), or people who can't speak english
asking for it is unreal. I say "hey... if you can't find the driver's exam
station you already fail map reading, trip preperation, and sign reading.
You fail."
IMO I would raise the driving age for lic. to 18 and keep permits or
restricted lic. at 16. And make a real driving test to pass. I mean fake
kids on bikes flying out from bushes and idiot driver's going through stop
lights on their cell phone heheee.
Mikey
- Original Message -
From:
Chevelle 69
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002
11:37 AM
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
S
Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey
no - i would much rather have a full liscense. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > Re-read Mikey's original post. He's not saying you > shouldn't be able to drive when you're 16, only that 16 > and 17-year-olds should have restricted licenses (which > we have here in Wisconsin). The restricted license is a > very good idea for the young driver who hasn't yet > accumulated much real-world experience. > > Brad O. > > > dude - thats offensive! im 15 and i just CANNOT wait till i drive when im 16 - > > and then now you say that you want the driving age to be 18! how did you feel > > when u started driving? > > - Original Message - > > From: Capt Crunch > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:50 PM > > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > > > > IMO I would raise the driving age for lic. to 18 and keep permits or > restricted lic. at 16. And make a real driving test to pass. I mean fake kids on > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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exactly - i can tell most of the old cars a mile away - today all of them look the same - its sad. i really wished i lived in the muscle car era - that would've been so much fun. - Original Message - From: "Dave Corgill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > At 12:34 PM 07/17/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >Which brings up a thought or two: > > > > > >Compare that to a young person ( and some older ones ) who only think to > >get in, turn the key, and press the pedal farther down to hurry up to get > >to an "important appointment". I know that accidents were stressed to me > >in drivers training many years ago, but people tend to think it won't > >happen to them and what can happen if they are not careful goes to the > >back of the mind. Getting there quickly while doing other things that > >"need" to get done are what is on their mind. > > Good thoughts; > But I will add this. > 1: People don't take pride in their cars anymore, (would you blame them) > They all look the same & are designed to only last a few yrs , you have > to take them to a dealer to get them fixed. How many yrs do you think > they will stock the computer chip that runs that car? Sorry that chip > is no longer available, you will have to buy a new car. > > 2: New cars are like a toaster, use it & when it gets older buy a new one. > (or let the ins Co buy one for you). > > 3: They think with all the air bags & "safety features" they won't get hurt, > and the ins Co will replace it with a new one, (they can get another > color). > (gee I can get a red one now, tired of my blue one). > And if they get hurt a Lawyer will get them $500,000 or more. > > 4: A lot of people now can't even read the drivers test, & a whole lot of them > driving don't even have a drivers licence. Much less ins. > > 5: People now-a-days are NOT like us, we have built cars almost from the ground > up, blood, sweat & tears. I remember cars (57 yrs old) from the time > you could > see a car on the road & KNEW what it was. Not so now. A car to them is just > something to get them from point A to point B (while talking on the > cell PH). > > 6: It is very sad. > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] & The Doberman gang in Dallas (Taxes) > Dave's Doberman page http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1877/ > Doberworld home page http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1878/ > El-Camino/Chevelle page http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1876/ > My Machine Shop http://cncshop.8m.com > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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A young man was sitting at the dinner table with his daddy
having a conversation when the young man told his dad how dumb he was. The young
man's dad slowly turned to his son and asked, If I am so dumb now at my age, at
just want age is it that you will start getting dumb too?
Just some story I heard
Keith
- Original Message -
From:
Richard M.
Pruett
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 4:11
PM
Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car
Saftey
To you
statement
"When I
was your age I knew everything and I was invincible, but now that I am older I
look back and say I wish I listened to my dad..."
I must say When I
was 16, my father was the dumbest man on Earth; I can't believe how much
smarter he has gotten every year since then!
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Capt
CrunchSent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 2:11 PMTo:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List]
Driving/Car Saftey
Yeah Chad... Sorry, I figured you would reply on this one, but believe
me if everyone over the age of 25 voted, I think a large number would agree.
I mean just the maturaty level jump is huge between 16 and 18 is huge. It
happens again at 21 and it seems about your mid twenties most people have
grown up at least in reguards to more serious matters. When I was your age I
knew everything and I was invincable, but now that I am older I look back
and say I wish I listened to my dad... or I wish I did this instead of this.
Wait till you hit your mid twenties... heck I'm afraid of what I'll be
saying when I'm forty or fifty.
I know how you feel and you can hardly wait to drive, but I know I did
some plain flat dumb things at that age and I see even worse stuff then that
everyday from young drivers. Obviously not all young drivers do stupid
stuff, but I know the statistics show most young drivers get into more
accidents and more tickets then any other age group. I just finally emerged
from the under 25 bracket and wow did my insurance drop. Reality would maybe
say 16-18 yr olds can only drive during such hours or on such roads, much
like when you get a permit for a motorcycle. I'm sure you will be at least a
smart drive Chad as you won't want to bang up a Chevelle or mustang or
whatever, but most kids don't have that pride in their car. Also driving
like any skill will get better as you do it more. I think we all made some
young and dumb blunders in our day.
Don't feel bad Chad... I don't pick on young driver's other then that.
I'm the same way with DWI's. Just way too loose of rules. There are just too
many people who shouldn't be driving. Some elder drivers scare me as well.
Some of them can barely walk, none the less hit the brakes if a kid was to
dart in front of them. Then there are just the unskilled. I was visiting my
mom last weekend and she in reality can't back up a car unless she goes
perfectly straight. She can't parrell park. She can't see very well at
night. I'm sorry to say, she shouldn't be driving with full privilages. If a
guy operating a crane or a tractor was like that...they would be
fired.
Overall... most people today think it is
their right to drive a car, instead of the privilage that it
is.
Dave also mentions some very good points as well.
Mikey
- Original Message -
From:
Chad Playso
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:37
PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List]
Driving/Car Saftey
dude - thats offensive! im 15 and i just
CANNOT wait till i drive when im 16 - and then now you say that you want
the driving age to be 18! how did you feel when u started
driving?
- Original Message -
From:
Capt Crunch
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002
12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List]
Driving/Car Saftey
How about the fact that they pretty much give driver's licenses
away in a box of Cracker Jacks these days. I work about a mile from a
driver's exam station and it is easy to find, but the number of brain
dead morons, lazy people who don't want to take the energy to look at a
map (or the road for signs for that matter), or people who can't
speak english asking for it is unreal. I say "hey... if you can't find
the driver's exam station you already fail map reading, trip
preperation, and sign reading. You fail.&q
RE: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey
To you
statement
"When I was
your age I knew everything and I was invincible, but now that I am older I look
back and say I wish I listened to my dad..."
I must say When I
was 16, my father was the dumbest man on Earth; I can't believe how much smarter
he has gotten every year since then!
-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Capt
CrunchSent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 2:11 PMTo:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car
Saftey
Yeah Chad... Sorry, I figured you would reply on this one, but believe me
if everyone over the age of 25 voted, I think a large number would agree. I
mean just the maturaty level jump is huge between 16 and 18 is huge. It
happens again at 21 and it seems about your mid twenties most people have
grown up at least in reguards to more serious matters. When I was your age I
knew everything and I was invincable, but now that I am older I look back and
say I wish I listened to my dad... or I wish I did this instead of this. Wait
till you hit your mid twenties... heck I'm afraid of what I'll be saying when
I'm forty or fifty.
I know how you feel and you can hardly wait to drive, but I know I did
some plain flat dumb things at that age and I see even worse stuff then that
everyday from young drivers. Obviously not all young drivers do stupid stuff,
but I know the statistics show most young drivers get into more accidents and
more tickets then any other age group. I just finally emerged from the under
25 bracket and wow did my insurance drop. Reality would maybe say 16-18 yr
olds can only drive during such hours or on such roads, much like when you get
a permit for a motorcycle. I'm sure you will be at least a smart drive Chad as
you won't want to bang up a Chevelle or mustang or whatever, but most kids
don't have that pride in their car. Also driving like any skill will get
better as you do it more. I think we all made some young and dumb blunders in
our day.
Don't feel bad Chad... I don't pick on young driver's other then that.
I'm the same way with DWI's. Just way too loose of rules. There are just too
many people who shouldn't be driving. Some elder drivers scare me as well.
Some of them can barely walk, none the less hit the brakes if a kid was to
dart in front of them. Then there are just the unskilled. I was visiting my
mom last weekend and she in reality can't back up a car unless she goes
perfectly straight. She can't parrell park. She can't see very well at night.
I'm sorry to say, she shouldn't be driving with full privilages. If a guy
operating a crane or a tractor was like that...they would be fired.
Overall... most people today think it is
their right to drive a car, instead of the privilage that it
is.
Dave also mentions some very good points as well.
Mikey
- Original Message -
From:
Chad Playso
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:37
PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List]
Driving/Car Saftey
dude - thats offensive! im 15 and i just CANNOT
wait till i drive when im 16 - and then now you say that you want the
driving age to be 18! how did you feel when u started
driving?
- Original Message -
From:
Capt Crunch
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:50
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List]
Driving/Car Saftey
How about the fact that they pretty much give driver's licenses away
in a box of Cracker Jacks these days. I work about a mile from a driver's
exam station and it is easy to find, but the number of brain dead morons,
lazy people who don't want to take the energy to look at a map (or the
road for signs for that matter), or people who can't speak english
asking for it is unreal. I say "hey... if you can't find the driver's exam
station you already fail map reading, trip preperation, and sign reading.
You fail."
IMO I would raise the driving age for lic. to 18 and keep permits or
restricted lic. at 16. And make a real driving test to pass. I mean fake
kids on bikes flying out from bushes and idiot driver's going through stop
lights on their cell phone heheee.
Mikey
- Original Message -
From:
Chevelle 69
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002
11:37 AM
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Chevelle-List]
Driving/Car Saftey
Which
brings up a thought or two:
We,
the people that, in most cases, tur
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At 01:11 PM 07/17/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >Yeah Chad... Sorry, I figured you would reply on this one, but believe me >if everyone over the age of 25 voted, I think a large number would agree. >I mean just the maturaty level jump is huge between 16 and 18 is huge. It >happens again at 21 and it seems about your mid twenties most people have >grown up at least in reguards to more serious matters. When I was your age >I knew everything and I was invincable, but now that I am older I look >back and say I wish I listened to my dad... or I wish I did this instead >of this. Wait till you hit your mid twenties... heck I'm afraid of what >I'll be saying when I'm forty or fifty. Ha-Ha, you might sound like me. If people getting a license would be required to ride a motorcycle in todays "brain dead", traffic they would "learn" Fast OR we wouldn't have to worry about them . A friend told me 1 yr ago that the life expectancy of a super bike rider in CA was 15 days MAX! - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That and I would be fine with more 16 yr olds driving if there was a very strict driving test to pass instead of quick park job, a drive around the block, and then a multiple choice test to get your permit which you can pass without opening a book. It all comes down to the privilage v.s. your right. Chad, It sounds like you are like other teens who think it is your right to drive when you are 18... it isn't! Chad I mean no offense or anything mean towards you, and I'm sorry you probably don't like to hear that, but that is what I'm gathering from you post. I hope honestly you sit back and take a minute to think about what I have said, even if it doesn't change your mind or cause it to broaden a bit. In reality when we all get into a car, we aren't just driving somewhere, we are operating a loaded deadly weapon. My complete views on cars and driving changed a little over a year ago when I saw a car 3 cars ahead strike and kill a predestrian at 55 mph. I had nightmares for weeks. A true horrifying sight to see a 130 lb girl fly about 25 feet and bounce off a moving truck. Even more horrifying was the legal battles afterward. The family of the girl was going for vehicular manslaughter charges even though the girl was technically in the road and not the shoulder. It was all too fast for me to even decide who was at fault, but it goes to show you can kill people with a car and if you do you will be facing some serious penalties... at the very least a HUGE lawyer bill. This is a good reminder... even I occasionally find myself mad to be stuck in traffic or going a bit too fast to get to an appointment, but when I think about that day the true reality of life and it fragile-ness comes back. Ok enough of this documentary and hallmark card stuff. Mikey - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey Re-read Mikey's original post. He's not saying you shouldn't be able to drive when you're 16, only that 16 and 17-year-olds should have restricted licenses (which we have here in Wisconsin). The restricted license is a very good idea for the young driver who hasn't yet accumulated much real-world experience.Brad O.> dude - thats offensive! im 15 and i just CANNOT wait till i drive when im 16 - > and then now you say that you want the driving age to be 18! how did you feel > when u started driving?> - Original Message - > From: Capt Crunch > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:50 PM> Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey> > IMO I would raise the driving age for lic. to 18 and keep permits or > restricted lic. at 16. And make a real driving test to pass. I mean fake kids on -To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.htmlTo start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That sounds like fun to me,where do we sign up? How many points do you get when you hit a cell phone user? > And make a real driving test to pass. I mean fake kids on bikes flying > out from bushes and idiot driver's going through stop lights on their > cell phone heheee. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re-read Mikey's original post. He's not saying you shouldn't be able to drive when you're 16, only that 16 and 17-year-olds should have restricted licenses (which we have here in Wisconsin). The restricted license is a very good idea for the young driver who hasn't yet accumulated much real-world experience. Brad O. > dude - thats offensive! im 15 and i just CANNOT wait till i drive when im 16 - > and then now you say that you want the driving age to be 18! how did you feel > when u started driving? > - Original Message - > From: Capt Crunch > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey > > IMO I would raise the driving age for lic. to 18 and keep permits or > restricted >lic. at 16. And make a real driving test to pass. I mean fake kids on - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yeah Chad... Sorry, I figured you would reply on this one, but believe me if everyone over the age of 25 voted, I think a large number would agree. I mean just the maturaty level jump is huge between 16 and 18 is huge. It happens again at 21 and it seems about your mid twenties most people have grown up at least in reguards to more serious matters. When I was your age I knew everything and I was invincable, but now that I am older I look back and say I wish I listened to my dad... or I wish I did this instead of this. Wait till you hit your mid twenties... heck I'm afraid of what I'll be saying when I'm forty or fifty. I know how you feel and you can hardly wait to drive, but I know I did some plain flat dumb things at that age and I see even worse stuff then that everyday from young drivers. Obviously not all young drivers do stupid stuff, but I know the statistics show most young drivers get into more accidents and more tickets then any other age group. I just finally emerged from the under 25 bracket and wow did my insurance drop. Reality would maybe say 16-18 yr olds can only drive during such hours or on such roads, much like when you get a permit for a motorcycle. I'm sure you will be at least a smart drive Chad as you won't want to bang up a Chevelle or mustang or whatever, but most kids don't have that pride in their car. Also driving like any skill will get better as you do it more. I think we all made some young and dumb blunders in our day. Don't feel bad Chad... I don't pick on young driver's other then that. I'm the same way with DWI's. Just way too loose of rules. There are just too many people who shouldn't be driving. Some elder drivers scare me as well. Some of them can barely walk, none the less hit the brakes if a kid was to dart in front of them. Then there are just the unskilled. I was visiting my mom last weekend and she in reality can't back up a car unless she goes perfectly straight. She can't parrell park. She can't see very well at night. I'm sorry to say, she shouldn't be driving with full privilages. If a guy operating a crane or a tractor was like that...they would be fired. Overall... most people today think it is their right to drive a car, instead of the privilage that it is. Dave also mentions some very good points as well. Mikey - Original Message - From: Chad Playso Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey dude - thats offensive! im 15 and i just CANNOT wait till i drive when im 16 - and then now you say that you want the driving age to be 18! how did you feel when u started driving? - Original Message - From: Capt Crunch To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey How about the fact that they pretty much give driver's licenses away in a box of Cracker Jacks these days. I work about a mile from a driver's exam station and it is easy to find, but the number of brain dead morons, lazy people who don't want to take the energy to look at a map (or the road for signs for that matter), or people who can't speak english asking for it is unreal. I say "hey... if you can't find the driver's exam station you already fail map reading, trip preperation, and sign reading. You fail." IMO I would raise the driving age for lic. to 18 and keep permits or restricted lic. at 16. And make a real driving test to pass. I mean fake kids on bikes flying out from bushes and idiot driver's going through stop lights on their cell phone heheee. Mikey ----- Original Message - From: Chevelle 69 Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey Which brings up a thought or two: We, the people that, in most cases, turn wrenches on these cars, lift heavy metal parts on and off, install glass as needed, and know from life's experiences what can happen, have more of a close "in-touch" relationship with cars. We have more of a realization of several thousand pounds of glass and metal flying down the road at speeds unknown to man just a hundred years ago. Although some of us are guilty of indulging in the thrill that a muscle car is so famous for, and I can't say I won't ever myself. I guess it's like rock climbing or parachuting..with added dangers for innocent bystanders and precious classic cars that may not survive to be passed on. Compare that to a young person ( and some older ones ) who only think to get in, turn the key, and press the pedal farther down to hurry up to get to an "important appointment". I know that accidents were stressed to me in drivers training many years ago, but people tend to think it won't happen to them and what can happen if they are not careful goes
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At 12:34 PM 07/17/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Which brings up a thought or two: > > >Compare that to a young person ( and some older ones ) who only think to >get in, turn the key, and press the pedal farther down to hurry up to get >to an "important appointment". I know that accidents were stressed to me >in drivers training many years ago, but people tend to think it won't >happen to them and what can happen if they are not careful goes to the >back of the mind. Getting there quickly while doing other things that >"need" to get done are what is on their mind. Good thoughts; But I will add this. 1: People don't take pride in their cars anymore, (would you blame them) They all look the same & are designed to only last a few yrs , you have to take them to a dealer to get them fixed. How many yrs do you think they will stock the computer chip that runs that car? Sorry that chip is no longer available, you will have to buy a new car. 2: New cars are like a toaster, use it & when it gets older buy a new one. (or let the ins Co buy one for you). 3: They think with all the air bags & "safety features" they won't get hurt, and the ins Co will replace it with a new one, (they can get another color). (gee I can get a red one now, tired of my blue one). And if they get hurt a Lawyer will get them $500,000 or more. 4: A lot of people now can't even read the drivers test, & a whole lot of them driving don't even have a drivers licence. Much less ins. 5: People now-a-days are NOT like us, we have built cars almost from the ground up, blood, sweat & tears. I remember cars (57 yrs old) from the time you could see a car on the road & KNEW what it was. Not so now. A car to them is just something to get them from point A to point B (while talking on the cell PH). 6: It is very sad. [EMAIL PROTECTED] & The Doberman gang in Dallas (Taxes) Dave's Doberman page http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1877/ Doberworld home page http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1878/ El-Camino/Chevelle page http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1876/ My Machine Shop http://cncshop.8m.com - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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dude - thats offensive! im 15 and i just CANNOT wait
till i drive when im 16 - and then now you say that you want the driving age to
be 18! how did you feel when u started driving?
- Original Message -
From:
Capt
Crunch
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:50
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car
Saftey
How about the fact that they pretty much give driver's licenses away in a
box of Cracker Jacks these days. I work about a mile from a driver's exam
station and it is easy to find, but the number of brain dead morons, lazy
people who don't want to take the energy to look at a map (or the road for
signs for that matter), or people who can't speak english asking for it
is unreal. I say "hey... if you can't find the driver's exam station you
already fail map reading, trip preperation, and sign reading. You fail."
IMO I would raise the driving age for lic. to 18 and keep permits or
restricted lic. at 16. And make a real driving test to pass. I mean fake kids
on bikes flying out from bushes and idiot driver's going through stop lights
on their cell phone heheee.
Mikey
- Original Message -
From:
Chevelle 69
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:37
AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car
Saftey
Which brings up a thought or
two:
We, the people that, in most cases, turn wrenches
on these cars, lift heavy metal parts on and off, install glass as needed,
and know from life's experiences what can happen, have more of a close
"in-touch" relationship with cars. We have more of a realization
of several thousand pounds of glass and metal flying down the road at speeds
unknown to man just a hundred years ago.
Although some of us are guilty of indulging in the
thrill that a muscle car is so famous for, and I can't say I won't ever
myself. I guess it's like rock climbing or parachuting..with added
dangers for innocent bystanders and precious classic cars that may not
survive to be passed on.
Compare that to a young person ( and some older
ones ) who only think to get in, turn the key, and press the pedal farther
down to hurry up to get to an "important appointment". I know that accidents
were stressed to me in drivers training many years ago, but people
tend to think it won't happen to them and what can happen if they are
not careful goes to the back of the mind. Getting there quickly while doing
other things that "need" to get done are what is on their
mind.
The thought of the car I am rebuilding not having
many of the safety features of today's cars also plays on my mind at times.
More than once I have wondered what it would take to install anti-lock
brakes and air bags on my 69 Chevelle.
Steve
-
I agree too! BUT, I've seen people reading newspapers,
shaving, putting on make-up, eating two-fisted hoagies, etc. while behind
the wheel. A lot of people are just plain oblivious to the dangers of
distraction behind the wheel. My point is where do you stop? The starting
point should, in my opinion, be better driver ed programs.
Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey
Title: Message Very good thoughts Steve, If everyone could spend a few nights riding with the police & fire depts. & see what we see, they'd all think a little differently. Don Which brings up a thought or two: We, the people that, in most cases, turn wrenches on these cars, lift heavy metal parts on and off, install glass as needed, and know from life's experiences what can happen, have more of a close "in-touch" relationship with cars. We have more of a realization of several thousand pounds of glass and metal flying down the road at speeds unknown to man just a hundred years ago. Although some of us are guilty of indulging in the thrill that a muscle car is so famous for, and I can't say I won't ever myself. I guess it's like rock climbing or parachuting..with added dangers for innocent bystanders and precious classic cars that may not survive to be passed on. Compare that to a young person ( and some older ones ) who only think to get in, turn the key, and press the pedal farther down to hurry up to get to an "important appointment". I know that accidents were stressed to me in drivers training many years ago, but people tend to think it won't happen to them and what can happen if they are not careful goes to the back of the mind. Getting there quickly while doing other things that "need" to get done are what is on their mind. The thought of the car I am rebuilding not having many of the safety features of today's cars also plays on my mind at times. More than once I have wondered what it would take to install anti-lock brakes and air bags on my 69 Chevelle. Steve - I agree too! BUT, I've seen people reading newspapers, shaving, putting on make-up, eating two-fisted hoagies, etc. while behind the wheel. A lot of people are just plain oblivious to the dangers of distraction behind the wheel. My point is where do you stop? The starting point should, in my opinion, be better driver ed programs.
Re: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey
How about the fact that they pretty much give driver's licenses away in a box of Cracker Jacks these days. I work about a mile from a driver's exam station and it is easy to find, but the number of brain dead morons, lazy people who don't want to take the energy to look at a map (or the road for signs for that matter), or people who can't speak english asking for it is unreal. I say "hey... if you can't find the driver's exam station you already fail map reading, trip preperation, and sign reading. You fail." IMO I would raise the driving age for lic. to 18 and keep permits or restricted lic. at 16. And make a real driving test to pass. I mean fake kids on bikes flying out from bushes and idiot driver's going through stop lights on their cell phone heheee. Mikey - Original Message - From: Chevelle 69 Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey Which brings up a thought or two: We, the people that, in most cases, turn wrenches on these cars, lift heavy metal parts on and off, install glass as needed, and know from life's experiences what can happen, have more of a close "in-touch" relationship with cars. We have more of a realization of several thousand pounds of glass and metal flying down the road at speeds unknown to man just a hundred years ago. Although some of us are guilty of indulging in the thrill that a muscle car is so famous for, and I can't say I won't ever myself. I guess it's like rock climbing or parachuting..with added dangers for innocent bystanders and precious classic cars that may not survive to be passed on. Compare that to a young person ( and some older ones ) who only think to get in, turn the key, and press the pedal farther down to hurry up to get to an "important appointment". I know that accidents were stressed to me in drivers training many years ago, but people tend to think it won't happen to them and what can happen if they are not careful goes to the back of the mind. Getting there quickly while doing other things that "need" to get done are what is on their mind. The thought of the car I am rebuilding not having many of the safety features of today's cars also plays on my mind at times. More than once I have wondered what it would take to install anti-lock brakes and air bags on my 69 Chevelle. Steve - I agree too! BUT, I've seen people reading newspapers, shaving, putting on make-up, eating two-fisted hoagies, etc. while behind the wheel. A lot of people are just plain oblivious to the dangers of distraction behind the wheel. My point is where do you stop? The starting point should, in my opinion, be better driver ed programs.
[Chevelle-List] Driving/Car Saftey
Title: Message Which brings up a thought or two: We, the people that, in most cases, turn wrenches on these cars, lift heavy metal parts on and off, install glass as needed, and know from life's experiences what can happen, have more of a close "in-touch" relationship with cars. We have more of a realization of several thousand pounds of glass and metal flying down the road at speeds unknown to man just a hundred years ago. Although some of us are guilty of indulging in the thrill that a muscle car is so famous for, and I can't say I won't ever myself. I guess it's like rock climbing or parachuting..with added dangers for innocent bystanders and precious classic cars that may not survive to be passed on. Compare that to a young person ( and some older ones ) who only think to get in, turn the key, and press the pedal farther down to hurry up to get to an "important appointment". I know that accidents were stressed to me in drivers training many years ago, but people tend to think it won't happen to them and what can happen if they are not careful goes to the back of the mind. Getting there quickly while doing other things that "need" to get done are what is on their mind. The thought of the car I am rebuilding not having many of the safety features of today's cars also plays on my mind at times. More than once I have wondered what it would take to install anti-lock brakes and air bags on my 69 Chevelle. Steve - I agree too! BUT, I've seen people reading newspapers, shaving, putting on make-up, eating two-fisted hoagies, etc. while behind the wheel. A lot of people are just plain oblivious to the dangers of distraction behind the wheel. My point is where do you stop? The starting point should, in my opinion, be better driver ed programs.
