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The jobs went away because of the UAW. Unions were a good thing at their inception, but they have completely outlived their usefulness. As a business owner, I understand that you need to constantly cut costs to be competitive. In manufacturing, labor is a huge part of the cost of production. Labor costs have to be passed on to the consumer. Union greed and an ever-increasing entitlement mentality are the things killing manufacturing in this country, not the manufacturers or the government. Bill Vander Werf _ From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Terry S Hodges Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 8:20 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant Toyota's are built in Georgetown Ky Nissan's are built in Smyrna Tn On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Dan Rachlin rodi...@gmail.com wrote: Strange how Buy American now means Toyota's that are built in Tennessee.?? On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Rich Pruett busted_knuck...@comcast.net wrote: This is fascinating. If you watch, listen to the very last couple of sentences. This is a short video of a new Ford plant in Brazil . One look at this and you will be able to understand why there will probably never be another assembly plant built in the USA. It will also point out why more assembly plants will go offshore. You won't doubt that Ford, GM, and Chrysler are destined to go under, after watching this video. They will survive, but their assembly operations in the U.S. likely won't, whether we have provided a bailout or not (listen closely at the end for the reason why ). http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189 http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189 And we wonder where the jobs go. This should help with the explanation!
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Great post Bill..to bad the union workers didn't understand that..
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I have worked in a GM dealership for over 40 years and been the general Manager for the last 20 so I have watched this situation with great personal interest. The problems with the American Manufactures shouldn't all be blamed on the unions, management gave them those contracts knowing that they were just postponing disaster. In 2007/2008 disaster struck in the form of an economic crisis that cut vehicle sales and the snowball effect started. Although the new contracts have some negative effects on the existing UAW worker, it is a whole new ball game with the new hires and the big 3 can be completive with anyone going forward. If you look at some of the new vehicles we are producing, the Equinox and the Cruze, these are great vehicles at completive prices. GM dealers have never had a compact car that could go head to head with anyone like the Cruze. I believe the American automotive industry is on the upswing and that they can compete with anyone. At the dealership level we sold more Cruzes last month than Cobalts in the last 2 years. I hope I am right because without a strong manufacturing base our economy will never totally rebound. We need to keep pounding that message to our politicians and business leaders to do everything they can do to create manufacturing in this country and reverse the last 30 years of so called free trade. Chum Nault _ From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Tony Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 8:30 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant Couldn't have said it better myself. Your spot on Bill. - Original Message - From: Bill mailto:inthewin...@bellsouth.net Vander Werf To: 'The mailto:chevelle-list@chevelles.net Chevelle Mailing List' Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant The jobs went away because of the UAW. Unions were a good thing at their inception, but they have completely outlived their usefulness. As a business owner, I understand that you need to constantly cut costs to be competitive. In manufacturing, labor is a huge part of the cost of production. Labor costs have to be passed on to the consumer. Union greed and an ever-increasing entitlement mentality are the things killing manufacturing in this country, not the manufacturers or the government. Bill Vander Werf _ From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Terry S Hodges Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 8:20 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant Toyota's are built in Georgetown Ky Nissan's are built in Smyrna Tn On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Dan Rachlin rodi...@gmail.com wrote: Strange how Buy American now means Toyota's that are built in Tennessee.?? On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Rich Pruett busted_knuck...@comcast.net wrote: This is fascinating. If you watch, listen to the very last couple of sentences. This is a short video of a new Ford plant in Brazil . One look at this and you will be able to understand why there will probably never be another assembly plant built in the USA. It will also point out why more assembly plants will go offshore. You won't doubt that Ford, GM, and Chrysler are destined to go under, after watching this video. They will survive, but their assembly operations in the U.S. likely won't, whether we have provided a bailout or not (listen closely at the end for the reason why ). http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189 http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189 And we wonder where the jobs go. This should help with the explanation! _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3315 - Release Date: 12/14/10
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I beg to differ, We been doing this in Lansing, Michigan for 11 years now. And were proud UAW members. If our jobs leave this country yours will soon follow. Ron Paruszkiewicz -Original Message- From: Bill Vander Werf inthewin...@bellsouth.net To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:27 am Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant The jobs went away because of the UAW. Unions were a good thing at their inception, but they have completely outlived their usefulness. As a business owner, I understand that you need to constantly cut costs to be competitive. In manufacturing, labor is a huge part of the cost of production. Labor costs have to be passed on to the consumer. Union greed and an ever-increasing entitlement mentality are the things killing manufacturing in this country, not the manufacturers or the government. Bill Vander Werf From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Terry S Hodges Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 8:20 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant Toyota's are built in Georgetown Ky Nissan's are built in Smyrna Tn On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Dan Rachlin rodi...@gmail.com wrote: Strange how Buy American now means Toyota's that are built in Tennessee.?? On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Rich Pruett busted_knuck...@comcast.net wrote: This is fascinating. If you watch, listen to the very last couple of sentences. This is a short video of a new Ford plant in Brazil . One look at this and you will be able to understand why there will probably never be another assembly plant built in the USA. It will also point out why more assembly plants will go offshore. You won't doubt that Ford, GM, and Chrysler are destined to go under, after watching this video. They will survive, but their assembly operations in the U.S. likely won't, whether we have provided a bailout or not (listen closely at the end for the reason why ). http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189 And we wonder where the jobs go. This should help with the explanation!
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I do not understand why everyone always points the finger at the union work for the decline of the auto industry. The union workers only ask for their slice of the pie, so they can provide a good living for their families. After all, it is upper and middle management that directs what products will be, designs them, and sets the direction the company will take. If they design junk, the union workers just assemble the product as designed. Funny, I never hear about management's big salaries and their large bonuses they get regardless of how their company does. Bonuses should be tied to the performance of the company. Management needs to set the example and be honest. Also the dealer's service department plays an important part. If they don't provide good service (several trips to fix the same problem and charge the customer each time) the customer will go elsewhere. Service will always sell not matter what the industry is. Pete Hnat From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rparuszkiew...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 12:01 PM To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant I beg to differ, We been doing this in Lansing, Michigan for 11 years now. And were proud UAW members. If our jobs leave this country yours will soon follow. Ron Paruszkiewicz -Original Message- From: Bill Vander Werf inthewin...@bellsouth.net To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:27 am Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant The jobs went away because of the UAW. Unions were a good thing at their inception, but they have completely outlived their usefulness. As a business owner, I understand that you need to constantly cut costs to be competitive. In manufacturing, labor is a huge part of the cost of production. Labor costs have to be passed on to the consumer. Union greed and an ever-increasing entitlement mentality are the things killing manufacturing in this country, not the manufacturers or the government. Bill Vander Werf From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.netmailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.netmailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net?] On Behalf Of Terry S Hodges Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 8:20 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant Toyota's are built in Georgetown Ky Nissan's are built in Smyrna Tn On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Dan Rachlin rodi...@gmail.commailto:rodi...@gmail.com wrote: Strange how Buy American now means Toyota's that are built in Tennessee.?? On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Rich Pruett busted_knuck...@comcast.netmailto:busted_knuck...@comcast.net wrote: This is fascinating. If you watch, listen to the very last couple of sentences. This is a short video of a new Ford plant in Brazil . One look at this and you will be able to understand why there will probably never be another assembly plant built in the USA. It will also point out why more assembly plants will go offshore. You won't doubt that Ford, GM, and Chrysler are destined to go under, after watching this video. They will survive, but their assembly operations in the U.S. likely won't, whether we have provided a bailout or not (listen closely at the end for the reason why ). http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189 And we wonder where the jobs go. This should help with the explanation!
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It's just not the Automotive Unions, it's every union that wants a piece of the pie. What employer can you go to - demand a certain wage, demand a certain pay increase of X years, dictate what you will pay for insurance and negotiate until you get want you think is still fair and get a gauranntee in writing for it - none except for a union job. And on top of it if you don't get it - you walk off the job. Unfortunately business is what keeps things moving and cash moving. I'd like to see a business person go to their boss today and say I want in writing to get a 10% pay raise over the next 4 years, I'll pay this for insurance and this is what I want my wage to be. There's the door. - Original Message - From: Peter Hnat peter.h...@sas.com To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 11:25:57 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant I do not understand why everyone always points the finger at the union work for the decline of the auto industry. The union workers only ask for their “slice of the pie”, so they can provide a good living for their families. After all, it is upper and middle management that directs what products will be, designs them, and sets the direction the company will take. If they design junk, the union workers just assemble the product as designed. Funny, I never hear about management’s big salaries and their large bonuses they get regardless of how their company does. Bonuses should be tied to the performance of the company. Management needs to set the example and be honest. Also the dealer’s service department plays an important part. If they don’t provide good service (several trips to fix the same problem and charge the customer each time) the customer will go elsewhere. Service will always sell not matter what the industry is. Pete Hnat From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rparuszkiew...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 12:01 PM To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant I beg to differ, We been doing this in Lansing, Michigan for 11 years now. And were proud UAW members. If our jobs leave this country yours will soon follow. Ron Paruszkiewicz -Original Message- From: Bill Vander Werf inthewin...@bellsouth.net To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:27 am Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant The jobs went away because of the UAW. Unions were a good thing at their inception, but they have completely outlived their usefulness. As a business owner, I understand that you need to constantly cut costs to be competitive. In manufacturing, labor is a huge part of the cost of production. Labor costs have to be passed on to the consumer. Union greed and an ever-increasing entitlement mentality are the things killing manufacturing in this country, not the manufacturers or the government. Bill Vander Werf From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [ mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net ] On Behalf Of Terry S Hodges Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 8:20 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant Toyota 's are built in Georgetown Ky Nissan's are built in Smyrna Tn On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Dan Rachlin rodi...@gmail.com wrote: Strange how Buy American now means Toyota's that are built in Tennessee.?? On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Rich Pruett busted_knuck...@comcast.net wrote: This is fascinating. If you watch, listen to the very last couple of sentences. This is a short video of a new Ford plant in Brazil . One look at this and you will be able to understand why there will probably never be another assembly plant built in the USA. It will also point out why more assembly plants will go offshore. You won't doubt that Ford, GM, and Chrysler are destined to go under, after watching this video. They will survive, but their assembly operations in the U.S. likely won't, whether we have provided a bailout or not (listen closely at the end for the reason why ). http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189 And we wonder where the jobs go. This should help with the explanation!
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I'd take that chance.. The jobs won't leave. In fact, I'd argue that without the all-powerful unions, we'd have more competitive products, which would mean more sales, which would mean more jobs. rparuszkiew...@aol.com wrote: I beg to differ, We been doing this in Lansing, Michigan for 11 years now. And were proud UAW members. If our jobs leave this country yours will soon follow. Ron Paruszkiewicz -Original Message- From: Bill Vander Werf inthewin...@bellsouth.net To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:27 am Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant The jobs went away because of the UAW. Unions were a good thing at their inception, but they have completely outlived their usefulness. As a business owner, I understand that you need to constantly cut costs to be competitive. In manufacturing, labor is a huge part of the cost of production. Labor costs have to be passed on to the consumer. Union greed and an ever-increasing entitlement mentality are the things killing manufacturing in this country, not the manufacturers or the government. Bill Vander Werf From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Terry S Hodges Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 8:20 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant Toyota's are built in Georgetown Ky Nissan's are built in Smyrna Tn On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Dan Rachlin rodi...@gmail.com wrote: Strange how "Buy American" now means Toyota's that are built in Tennessee.?? On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Rich Pruett busted_knuck...@comcast.net wrote: This is fascinating. If you watch, listen to the very last couple of sentences. This is a short video of a new Ford plant in Brazil . One look at this and you will be able to understand why there will probably never be another assembly plant built in the USA. It will also point out why more assembly plants will go offshore. You won't doubt that Ford, GM, and Chrysler are destined to go under, after watching this video. They will survive, but their assembly operations in the U.S. likely won't, whether we have provided a bailout or not (listen closely at the end for the reason why ). http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189 And we wonder where the jobs go. This should help with the explanation! No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3315 - Release Date: 12/14/10 -- -- Check out my webpage at http://www.ProStreetCar.com Hoosier State Chevelle Assoc (http://www.IndianaChevelles.com) #6
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They are assembled not built, check the content on their window labels. It isn't just the big plants its all the parts suppliers big and small, union and non union that go into building our economy. The American manufactures use American suppliers, American engineers, American designers, this is what our economy needs not foreign assembly plants. Chum Nault _ From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Terry S Hodges Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 7:20 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant Toyota's are built in Georgetown Ky Nissan's are built in Smyrna Tn On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Dan Rachlin rodi...@gmail.com wrote: Strange how Buy American now means Toyota's that are built in Tennessee.?? On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Rich Pruett busted_knuck...@comcast.net wrote: This is fascinating. If you watch, listen to the very last couple of sentences. This is a short video of a new Ford plant in Brazil . One look at this and you will be able to understand why there will probably never be another assembly plant built in the USA. It will also point out why more assembly plants will go offshore. You won't doubt that Ford, GM, and Chrysler are destined to go under, after watching this video. They will survive, but their assembly operations in the U.S. likely won't, whether we have provided a bailout or not (listen closely at the end for the reason why ). http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189 http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189 And we wonder where the jobs go. This should help with the explanation! The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. --- Thomas Jefferson You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ The late Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931 - 2005 ~
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Do You Know Where Your Car is Made? Listed below are 75 American-made automobiles. Each vehicle listed is built with union labor. But regardless of how you may feel about the labor movement in general, the fact remains that foreign automakers producing in the U.S. predominantly assemble their automobiles in low-wage states like Alabama and Kentucky, where American-owned automakers (Ford and General Motors) predominantly produce in high-wage union states like Michigan. This author has nothing against any state in our great country. We are all part of America and deserve jobs just like anyone else. The point I am trying to make is that this is one of many relatively unknown facts that give foreign-owned automakers huge cost advantages over American-owned automakers. Consider the following: In 1997, the state of Alabama granted huge subsidies to Mercedes in exchange for a plant that would employ 1,500 people. What were the details of this huge incentive package? $300 million in tax breaks, $253 million in direct incentives, $60 million in Alabama taxpayer money to send fellow Alabamans to Germany for training, and a promise to buy 2,500 of the new Mercedes SUVs at $30,000 each. Based on just the initial $300 million grant alone, those 1,500 jobs will cost Alabama taxpayers $200,000 per job. Apparently Alabama, not Mercedes, will be paying those salaries for years to come. With deals like these, its no wonder foreign automakers have stepped up production in the U.S. Well even pay their workers salaries for them! In 1987, Toyota constructed an auto plant on part of the 1,500 acres of free land given to them in Georgetown, Kentucky. The auto plant was built by a Japanese steel company using Japanese steel. The U.S. government granted a special trade zone so that Toyota could import auto parts from Japan duty-free. Financing was handled by Mitsui Bank of Japan. Total federal and state grants and incentives exceeded $100 million. These subsidies, of course, were courtesy of your tax dollars. Tennessee gave Nissan $11,000 per job for their Smyrna plant built in 1980. South Carolina coughed up $79,000 per job to convince Germanys BMW to build their plant in Spartanburg in 1992. Were you aware that our government was using your money to create jobs? Or are these merely job announcements where you and I foot the bill? Job announcements do make for great rhetoric for state governors re-election campaigns. How many years will it take a factory worker in Alabama to pay back the $200,000+ in tax money that the government gave away? A conservative answer would be several. This is not to say that American companies are not granted incentives to build plants here. The most recent is $100 million in incentives for Cadillac to build their next plant in Michigan. It is my opinion that we should not be imitating the Third World by using public money to bid for jobs. But when given the choice between foreign investment (Toyota, Mercedes, Nissan) and American investment (General Motors and Ford), American investment is much better for America. The deal Alabama gave Mercedes makes the deal Michigan gave GM seem rather frugal. The point here is that these huge incentives that are offered to foreign companies are rarely offered to our own companies here at home. Such incentives allow foreign companies to save hundreds or even thousands of dollars in costs per automobile. And American companies acquire more of their parts from domestic sources, so more jobs are created in the automotive parts industry in America. America needs more American investment, not more foreign investment. Click this link and see how fair the Fair Trade Agreement is. http://overthehillcarpeople.com/why_we_should_buy_vehicles_from.htm On 12/13/2010 10:15 PM, Bill Lessenberry wrote: BMW's are made in Spartanburg, SC Nissan trucks in Canton, Mississippi VW's are built in Chattanooga, TN Honda's are built in Ohio, Alabama, and Indiana It's a global economy. GM and Ford have plants all over the world, too. BillL At 07:19 PM 12/13/2010, you wrote: Toyota's are built in Georgetown Ky Nissan's are built in Smyrna Tn
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I can't speak for the other states, however, I can speak for KY and the Toyota plant. We all thought it was very expensive at first. Since it landed in KY, there have been hundreds of suppliers either move here or start here. We have a multitude of suppliers with Japanese names, such as Akebono, (brakes), ASI Glass, Sumitomo, Toyotomo, Konsei, and then there are the suppliers with American names, like Trim Masters, Tower Automotive, Teledyne Forge, Trace Die Cast, Dana, and those are just the ones I can name within 30 miles of my office. The closer you get to Lexington and Louisville the larger the numbers get. Don't forget about the restaurants, gas stations, grocery stores, banks, and so forth that always happen as a direct result of large developments. For every new job at that auto plant there are probably 20 other new jobs as a result. That is why Alabama can do what it did to get the Mercedes plant, (see the math below). That is what you call a dynamic and growing economy. It dosen't matter where the money comes from we need the private sector development to get the economy moving again. Average wage $15 per hour/40 hours per week/52 weeks per year = $31,200 x 1,500 jobs = $46,800,000 in wages alone. Money turns over an average of 7 times before it leaves the area = $327 million dollar boost to the economy every year that was not there before. This doesn't count the increase in property values and taxes, profits and income taxes, sales and sales taxes, value of benefits, etc. All these numbers are estimates however they illustrate the effect of economic development. Your state's economic development department can give you the correct numbers for your area. Just plug them in and be amazed. The article below does not lie, it just doesn't tell the whole story. As for the cost advantages, check out the deal Ford got for its Louisville plant to convert it from SUVs to small cars. Alex LaRue LaRue Insurance, Inc.(800)303-3518 Fax (866)591-7318 P O Box 119 54 Lincoln Square Hodgenville, KY 42748 ACES 4711 www.LaRueInsurance.net www.LaRueClassics.com From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Malibu Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:50 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant Do You Know Where Your Car is Made? Listed below are 75 American-made automobiles. Each vehicle listed is built with union labor. But regardless of how you may feel about the labor movement in general, the fact remains that foreign automakers producing in the U.S. predominantly assemble their automobiles in low-wage states like Alabama and Kentucky, where American-owned automakers (Ford and General Motors) predominantly produce in high-wage union states like Michigan. This author has nothing against any state in our great country. We are all part of America and deserve jobs just like anyone else. The point I am trying to make is that this is one of many relatively unknown facts that give foreign-owned automakers huge cost advantages over American-owned automakers. Consider the following: In 1997, the state of Alabama granted huge subsidies to Mercedes in exchange for a plant that would employ 1,500 people. What were the details of this huge incentive package? $300 million in tax breaks, $253 million in direct incentives, $60 million in Alabama taxpayer money to send fellow Alabamans to Germany for training, and a promise to buy 2,500 of the new Mercedes SUV's at $30,000 each. Based on just the initial $300 million grant alone, those 1,500 jobs will cost Alabama taxpayers $200,000 per job. Apparently Alabama, not Mercedes, will be paying those salaries for years to come. With deals like these, it's no wonder foreign automakers have stepped up production in the U.S. We'll even pay their workers' salaries for them! In 1987, Toyota constructed an auto plant on part of the 1,500 acres of free land given to them in Georgetown, Kentucky. The auto plant was built by a Japanese steel company using Japanese steel. The U.S. government granted a special trade zone so that Toyota could import auto parts from Japan duty-free. Financing was handled by Mitsui Bank of Japan. Total federal and state grants and incentives exceeded $100 million. These subsidies, of course, were courtesy of your tax dollars. Tennessee gave Nissan $11,000 per job for their Smyrna plant built in 1980. South Carolina coughed up $79,000 per job to convince Germany's BMW to build their plant in Spartanburg in 1992. Were you aware that our government was using your money to create jobs? Or are these merely job announcements where you and I foot the bill? Job announcements do make for great rhetoric for state governors' re-election campaigns. How many years will it take a factory worker in Alabama to pay back the $200,000+ in tax money that the government gave away? A conservative answer would
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Look at every Union industry that relies on Federal support they all fail to reinvent themselves to be competitive. Railroads, steel, autos, shipping, etc. From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Rich Pruett Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 5:10 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant This is fascinating. If you watch, listen to the very last couple of sentences. This is a short video of a new Ford plant in Brazil . One look at this and you will be able to understand why there will probably never be another assembly plant built in the USA. It will also point out why more assembly plants will go offshore. You won't doubt that Ford, GM, and Chrysler are destined to go under, after watching this video. They will survive, but their assembly operations in the U.S. likely won't, whether we have provided a bailout or not (listen closely at the end for the reason why ). http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189 http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189 And we wonder where the jobs go. This should help with the explanation! The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. --- Thomas Jefferson You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ The late Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931 - 2005 ~
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$600. a week is subsistence wages for a family. If it wasn't for the unions we would all be making minimum wage in the manufacturing economy. What was it like before the unions came along? Just look at China and India today. Larry On 12/14/2010 3:17 PM, Alex LaRue wrote: I can't speak for the other states, however, I can speak for KY and the Toyota plant. We all thought it was very expensive at first. Since it landed in KY, there have been hundreds of suppliers either move here or start here. We have a multitude of suppliers with Japanese names, such as Akebono, (brakes), ASI Glass, Sumitomo, Toyotomo, Konsei, and then there are the suppliers with American names, like Trim Masters, Tower Automotive, Teledyne Forge, Trace Die Cast, Dana, and those are just the ones I can name within 30 miles of my office. The closer you get to Lexington and Louisville the larger the numbers get. Don't forget about the restaurants, gas stations, grocery stores, banks, and so forth that always happen as a direct result of large developments. For every new job at that auto plant there are probably 20 other new jobs as a result. That is why Alabama can do what it did to get the Mercedes plant, (see the math below). That is what you call a dynamic and growing economy. It dosen't matter where the money comes from we need the private sector development to get the economy moving again. Average wage $15 per hour/40 hours per week/52 weeks per year = $31,200 x 1,500 jobs = $46,800,000 in wages alone. Money turns over an average of 7 times before it leaves the area = $327 million dollar boost to the economy every year that was not there before. This doesn't count the increase in property values and taxes, profits and income taxes, sales and sales taxes, value of benefits, etc. All these numbers are estimates however they illustrate the effect of economic development. Your state's economic development department can give you the correct numbers for your area. Just plug them in and be amazed. The article below does not lie, it just doesn't tell the whole story. As for the cost advantages, check out the deal Ford got for its Louisville plant to convert it from SUVs to small cars. Alex LaRue LaRue Insurance, Inc. (800)303-3518 Fax (866)591-7318 P O Box 119 54 Lincoln Square Hodgenville, KY 42748 ACES 4711 www.LaRueInsurance.net www.LaRueClassics.com From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Malibu Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:50 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant Do You Know Where Your Car is Made? Listed below are 75 American-made automobiles. Each vehicle listed is built with union labor. But regardless of how you may feel about the labor movement in general, the fact remains that foreign automakers producing in the U.S. predominantly assemble their automobiles in low-wage states like Alabama and Kentucky, where American-owned automakers (Ford and General Motors) predominantly produce in high-wage union states like Michigan. This author has nothing against any state in our great country. We are all part of America and deserve jobs just like anyone else. The point I am trying to make is that this is one of many relatively unknown facts that give foreign-owned automakers huge cost advantages over American-owned automakers. Consider the following: In 1997, the state of Alabama granted huge subsidies to Mercedes in exchange for a plant that would employ 1,500 people. What were the details of this huge incentive package? $300 million in tax breaks, $253 million in direct incentives, $60 million in Alabama taxpayer money to send fellow Alabamans to Germany for training, and a promise to buy 2,500 of the new Mercedes SUVs at $30,000 each. Based on just the initial $300 million grant alone, those 1,500 jobs
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The slice of the pie was paid for by cutting back on investment in those areas you say the industry failed to deliver. Unions protect jobs over innovation feather bedding so when Japan and Korea were improving fit and finish with robotics we were keeping 40 year old plants running building outdated models. From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Peter Hnat Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 12:26 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant I do not understand why everyone always points the finger at the union work for the decline of the auto industry. The union workers only ask for their slice of the pie, so they can provide a good living for their families. After all, it is upper and middle management that directs what products will be, designs them, and sets the direction the company will take. If they design junk, the union workers just assemble the product as designed. Funny, I never hear about management's big salaries and their large bonuses they get regardless of how their company does. Bonuses should be tied to the performance of the company. Management needs to set the example and be honest. Also the dealer's service department plays an important part. If they don't provide good service (several trips to fix the same problem and charge the customer each time) the customer will go elsewhere. Service will always sell not matter what the industry is. Pete Hnat From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rparuszkiew...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 12:01 PM To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant I beg to differ, We been doing this in Lansing, Michigan for 11 years now. And were proud UAW members. If our jobs leave this country yours will soon follow. Ron Paruszkiewicz -Original Message- From: Bill Vander Werf inthewin...@bellsouth.net To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:27 am Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant The jobs went away because of the UAW. Unions were a good thing at their inception, but they have completely outlived their usefulness. As a business owner, I understand that you need to constantly cut costs to be competitive. In manufacturing, labor is a huge part of the cost of production. Labor costs have to be passed on to the consumer. Union greed and an ever-increasing entitlement mentality are the things killing manufacturing in this country, not the manufacturers or the government. Bill Vander Werf _ From: mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [ mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net? mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Terry S Hodges Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 8:20 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant Toyota's are built in Georgetown Ky Nissan's are built in Smyrna Tn On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Dan Rachlin mailto:rodi...@gmail.com rodi...@gmail.com wrote: Strange how Buy American now means Toyota's that are built in Tennessee.?? On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Rich Pruett mailto:busted_knuck...@comcast.net busted_knuck...@comcast.net wrote: This is fascinating. If you watch, listen to the very last couple of sentences. This is a short video of a new Ford plant in Brazil . One look at this and you will be able to understand why there will probably never be another assembly plant built in the USA. It will also point out why more assembly plants will go offshore. You won't doubt that Ford, GM, and Chrysler are destined to go under, after watching this video. They will survive, but their assembly operations in the U.S. likely won't, whether we have provided a bailout or not (listen closely at the end for the reason why ). http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189 http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189 And we wonder where the jobs go. This should help with the explanation!
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I am retired from Local 400 UFCW because of Wal Mart our contracts have been gutted. The industry is stronger than ever and Union membership is at an all time high. The high caliper employee the industry attracted in the past has moved on. The industry has settled for lower quality in employment and standards. From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rparuszkiew...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 12:01 PM To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant I beg to differ, We been doing this in Lansing, Michigan for 11 years now. And were proud UAW members. If our jobs leave this country yours will soon follow. Ron Paruszkiewicz -Original Message- From: Bill Vander Werf inthewin...@bellsouth.net To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:27 am Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant The jobs went away because of the UAW. Unions were a good thing at their inception, but they have completely outlived their usefulness. As a business owner, I understand that you need to constantly cut costs to be competitive. In manufacturing, labor is a huge part of the cost of production. Labor costs have to be passed on to the consumer. Union greed and an ever-increasing entitlement mentality are the things killing manufacturing in this country, not the manufacturers or the government. Bill Vander Werf _ From: mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [ mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net? mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Terry S Hodges Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 8:20 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant Toyota's are built in Georgetown Ky Nissan's are built in Smyrna Tn On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Dan Rachlin mailto:rodi...@gmail.com rodi...@gmail.com wrote: Strange how Buy American now means Toyota's that are built in Tennessee.?? On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Rich Pruett mailto:busted_knuck...@comcast.net busted_knuck...@comcast.net wrote: This is fascinating. If you watch, listen to the very last couple of sentences. This is a short video of a new Ford plant in Brazil . One look at this and you will be able to understand why there will probably never be another assembly plant built in the USA. It will also point out why more assembly plants will go offshore. You won't doubt that Ford, GM, and Chrysler are destined to go under, after watching this video. They will survive, but their assembly operations in the U.S. likely won't, whether we have provided a bailout or not (listen closely at the end for the reason why ). http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189 http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189 And we wonder where the jobs go. This should help with the explanation!
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I just picked a number out of the air Larry. I suspect the actual average wage is a little higher. I did a quick search on the Mercedes plant in Alabama and see that they have expanded twice, have more than 2,800 full time employees now and this past fall hired 500 temps to meet the demand. I am sure when the economy stabilizes many of them will become permanent. No one can argue with the fact that more than 3,000 people are willing to work for what the Mercedes plant pays. I do know that the Toyota plant in KY offers wages and benefits that are comparable to what Ford pays in Louisville. I am tired of talking about new cars, let's talk about old cars! We have a couple of decent indoor shows coming up in January in the area. www.NashvilleAutofest.com and www.BluegrassAutoExpo.com Check them out. Both are two day shows with tons of vendors and a lot of nice cars on display. Hope to see you there. Alex LaRue LaRue Insurance, Inc.(800)303-3518 Fax (866)591-7318 P O Box 119 54 Lincoln Square Hodgenville, KY 42748 ACES 4711 www.LaRueInsurance.net www.LaRueClassics.com From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Larry Williams Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 7:06 PM To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant $600. a week is subsistence wages for a family. If it wasn't for the unions we would all be making minimum wage in the manufacturing economy. What was it like before the unions came along? Just look at China and India today. Larry On 12/14/2010 3:17 PM, Alex LaRue wrote: I can't speak for the other states, however, I can speak for KY and the Toyota plant. We all thought it was very expensive at first. Since it landed in KY, there have been hundreds of suppliers either move here or start here. We have a multitude of suppliers with Japanese names, such as Akebono, (brakes), ASI Glass, Sumitomo, Toyotomo, Konsei, and then there are the suppliers with American names, like Trim Masters, Tower Automotive, Teledyne Forge, Trace Die Cast, Dana, and those are just the ones I can name within 30 miles of my office. The closer you get to Lexington and Louisville the larger the numbers get. Don't forget about the restaurants, gas stations, grocery stores, banks, and so forth that always happen as a direct result of large developments. For every new job at that auto plant there are probably 20 other new jobs as a result. That is why Alabama can do what it did to get the Mercedes plant, (see the math below). That is what you call a dynamic and growing economy. It dosen't matter where the money comes from we need the private sector development to get the economy moving again. Average wage $15 per hour/40 hours per week/52 weeks per year = $31,200 x 1,500 jobs = $46,800,000 in wages alone. Money turns over an average of 7 times before it leaves the area = $327 million dollar boost to the economy every year that was not there before. This doesn't count the increase in property values and taxes, profits and income taxes, sales and sales taxes, value of benefits, etc. All these numbers are estimates however they illustrate the effect of economic development. Your state's economic development department can give you the correct numbers for your area. Just plug them in and be amazed. The article below does not lie, it just doesn't tell the whole story. As for the cost advantages, check out the deal Ford got for its Louisville plant to convert it from SUVs to small cars. Alex LaRue LaRue Insurance, Inc.(800)303-3518 Fax (866)591-7318 P O Box 119 54 Lincoln Square Hodgenville, KY 42748 ACES 4711 www.LaRueInsurance.net www.LaRueClassics.com From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Malibu Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:50 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant Do You Know Where Your Car is Made? Listed below are 75 American-made automobiles. Each vehicle listed is built with union labor. But regardless of how you may feel about the labor movement in general, the fact remains that foreign automakers producing in the U.S. predominantly assemble their automobiles in low-wage states like Alabama and Kentucky, where American-owned automakers (Ford and General Motors) predominantly produce in high-wage union states like Michigan. This author has nothing against any state in our great country. We are all part of America and deserve jobs just like anyone else. The point I am trying to make is that this is one of many relatively unknown facts that give foreign-owned automakers huge cost advantages over American-owned automakers. Consider the following: In 1997, the state of Alabama granted huge subsidies to Mercedes in exchange for a plant that would employ 1,500 people. What were
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I agree Alex - lets talk Chevelle. On 12/14/2010 5:13 PM, Alex LaRue wrote: I just picked a number out of the air Larry. I suspect the actual average wage is a little higher. I did a quick search on the Mercedes plant in Alabama and see that they have expanded twice, have more than 2,800 full time employees now and this past fall hired 500 temps to meet the demand. I am sure when the economy stabilizes many of them will become permanent. No one can argue with the fact that more than 3,000 people are willing to work for what the Mercedes plant pays. I do know that the Toyota plant in KY offers wages and benefits that are comparable to what Ford pays in Louisville. I am tired of talking about new cars, let's talk about old cars! We have a couple of decent indoor shows coming up in January in the area. www.NashvilleAutofest.com and www.BluegrassAutoExpo.com Check them out. Both are two day shows with tons of vendors and a lot of nice cars on display. Hope to see you there. Alex LaRue LaRue Insurance, Inc. (800)303-3518 Fax (866)591-7318 P O Box 119 54 Lincoln Square Hodgenville, KY 42748 ACES 4711 www.LaRueInsurance.net www.LaRueClassics.com From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Larry Williams Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 7:06 PM To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant $600. a week is subsistence wages for a family. If it wasn't for the unions we would all be making minimum wage in the manufacturing economy. What was it like before the unions came along? Just look at China and India today. Larry On 12/14/2010 3:17 PM, Alex LaRue wrote: I can't speak for the other states, however, I can speak for KY and the Toyota plant. We all thought it was very expensive at first. Since it landed in KY, there have been hundreds of suppliers either move here or start here. We have a multitude of suppliers with Japanese names, such as Akebono, (brakes), ASI Glass, Sumitomo, Toyotomo, Konsei, and then there are the suppliers with American names, like Trim Masters, Tower Automotive, Teledyne Forge, Trace Die Cast, Dana, and those are just the ones I can name within 30 miles of my office. The closer you get to Lexington and Louisville the larger the numbers get. Don't forget about the restaurants, gas stations, grocery stores, banks, and so forth that always happen as a direct result of large developments. For every new job at that auto plant there are probably 20 other new jobs as a result. That is why Alabama can do what it did to get the Mercedes plant, (see the math below). That is what you call a dynamic and growing economy. It dosen't matter where the money comes from we need the private sector development to get the economy moving again. Average wage $15 per hour/40 hours per week/52 weeks per year = $31,200 x 1,500 jobs = $46,800,000 in wages alone. Money turns over an average of 7 times before it leaves the area = $327 million dollar boost to the economy every year that was not there before. This doesn't count the increase in property values and taxes, profits and income taxes, sales and sales taxes, value of benefits, etc. All these numbers are estimates however they illustrate the effect of economic development. Your state's economic development department can give you the correct numbers for your area. Just plug them in and be amazed. The article below does not lie, it just doesn't tell the whole story. As for the cost advantages, check out the deal Ford got for its Louisville plant to convert it from SUVs to small cars. Alex LaRue LaRue Insurance, Inc. (800)303-3518 Fax (866)591-7318 P O Box 119 54 Lincoln Square Hodgenville, KY 42748 ACES 4711 www.LaRueInsurance.net
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This is fascinating. If you watch, listen to the very last couple of sentences. This is a short video of a new Ford plant in Brazil . One look at this and you will be able to understand why there will probably never be another assembly plant built in the USA. It will also point out why more assembly plants will go offshore. You won't doubt that Ford, GM, and Chrysler are destined to go under, after watching this video. They will survive, but their assembly operations in the U.S. likely won't, whether we have provided a bailout or not (listen closely at the end for the reason why ). http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189 And we wonder where the jobs go. This should help with the explanation! The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. --- Thomas Jefferson You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ The late Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931 - 2005 ~
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Strange how Buy American now means Toyota's that are built in Tennessee.?? On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Rich Pruett busted_knuck...@comcast.netwrote: This is fascinating. If you watch, listen to the very last couple of sentences. This is a short video of a new Ford plant in Brazil . One look at this and you will be able to understand why there will probably never be another assembly plant built in the USA. It will also point out why more assembly plants will go offshore. You won't doubt that Ford, GM, and Chrysler are destined to go under, after watching this video. They will survive, but their assembly operations in the U.S. likely won't, whether we have provided a bailout or not (listen closely at the end for the reason why ). http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189 And we wonder where the jobs go. This should help with the explanation! The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. --- Thomas Jefferson You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ The late Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931 - 2005 ~
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Toyota's are built in Georgetown Ky Nissan's are built in Smyrna Tn On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Dan Rachlin rodi...@gmail.com wrote: Strange how Buy American now means Toyota's that are built in Tennessee.?? On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Rich Pruett busted_knuck...@comcast.netwrote: This is fascinating. If you watch, listen to the very last couple of sentences. This is a short video of a new Ford plant in Brazil . One look at this and you will be able to understand why there will probably never be another assembly plant built in the USA. It will also point out why more assembly plants will go offshore. You won't doubt that Ford, GM, and Chrysler are destined to go under, after watching this video. They will survive, but their assembly operations in the U.S. likely won't, whether we have provided a bailout or not (listen closely at the end for the reason why ). http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189 And we wonder where the jobs go. This should help with the explanation! The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. --- Thomas Jefferson You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ The late Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931 - 2005 ~
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it is a damn shame that this country is going to become a third world country, We need our so called President out and real leader in office. not someone who wants to prosper from someone elses hard work. Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:19:40 -0500 From: terryshod...@gmail.com To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant Toyota's are built in Georgetown KyNissan's are built in Smyrna Tn On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Dan Rachlin rodi...@gmail.com wrote: Strange how Buy American now means Toyota's that are built in Tennessee.?? On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Rich Pruett busted_knuck...@comcast.net wrote: This is fascinating. If you watch, listen to the very last couple of sentences. This is a short video of a new Ford plant in Brazil . One look at this and you will be able to understand why there will probably never be another assembly plant built in the USA. It will also point out why more assembly plants will go offshore. You won't doubt that Ford, GM, and Chrysler are destined to go under, after watching this video. They will survive, but their assembly operations in the U.S. likely won't, whether we have provided a bailout or not (listen closely at the end for the reason why ). http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189 And we wonder where the jobs go. This should help with the explanation! The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. --- Thomas Jefferson You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ The late Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931 - 2005 ~
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BMW's are made in Spartanburg, SC Nissan trucks in Canton, Mississippi VW's are built in Chattanooga, TN Honda's are built in Ohio, Alabama, and Indiana It's a global economy. GM and Ford have plants all over the world, too. BillL At 07:19 PM 12/13/2010, you wrote: Toyota's are built in Georgetown Ky Nissan's are built in Smyrna Tn
