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thanks everyone I didn't think it was on backwards, but then again sometimes you never know, the other thing is its a brand new starter, but I have to replace the flexplate anyway so I guess I will try both thanks again everyone. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Stupid Question In a message dated 8/5/2005 7:29:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a 69 chevelle with a 350 and 350 trans, is it possible to put the flex plate on backwards? the reason I ask, is because it would start, then it seems to miss the fly wheel once in awhile now the starter just spins. I looked at the teeth and they seem to be worn on just part of the flywheel. Thanks in advanced Jason It is possible, but unlikely. It sounds like your problem is a bad starter solenoid. I've had them do that before. Tom
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Yes, it’s possible to put the flexplate on backwards, but if it is the torque converter won’t bolt up. -Dave From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Fiegel Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 7:29 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: [Chevelle-list] Stupid Question I have a 69 chevelle with a 350 and 350 trans, is it possible to put the flex plate on backwards? the reason I ask, is because it would start, then it seems to miss the fly wheel once in awhile now the starter just spins. I looked at the teeth and they seem to be worn on just part of the flywheel. Thanks in advanced Jason
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That's all it takes! The good news is that Tom is right and the first thing to try is a new starter. John Nasta -Original Message- I looked at the teeth and they seem to be worn on just part of the flywheel.
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In a message dated 8/5/2005 7:29:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a 69 chevelle with a 350 and 350 trans, is it possible to put the flex plate on backwards? the reason I ask, is because it would start, then it seems to miss the fly wheel once in awhile now the starter just spins. I looked at the teeth and they seem to be worn on just part of the flywheel. Thanks in advanced Jason It is possible, but unlikely. It sounds like your problem is a bad starter solenoid. I've had them do that before. Tom
[Chevelle-list] Stupid Question
I have a 69 chevelle with a 350 and 350 trans, is it possible to put the flex plate on backwards? the reason I ask, is because it would start, then it seems to miss the fly wheel once in awhile now the starter just spins. I looked at the teeth and they seem to be worn on just part of the flywheel. Thanks in advanced Jason
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Thanks for your insight Bill. I don't think I will be doing anything too radical. Larry - Original Message - From: "Bill Vander Werf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Stupid question? I have a friend who used to road race little street legal 4 cylinder MGs. They would put a light flywheel on their cars to make them accelerate out of corners faster. The problem that he had was that it made the car hard to drive on the street. Shifting smoothly under street conditions became difficult because the engine decelerated so fast between gears that it made the car what he called "jerky". Be careful to not give in to the desire to go too high performance with a car you intend to drive on the street. Race components are cool but the higher performance the car becomes the narrower its scope of drivability. A balls out, street legal race car is a blast to drive occasionally but it's also a pain in the ass to drive if you really intended to build a "driver". Experience talking... Bill Vander Werf - Original Message - From: "Larry Shouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Stupid question? Interesting stuff - If I'm understanding this correctly, in my manual transmission BBC application, if I had a lighter flywheel, the engine would rev up faster, but it would bog down sooner as well. When you buy a flywheel, as I will have to, what should I look for, if my application is a street machine that goes fast? Thanks, Larry
Re: [Chevelle-list] Stupid question?
I have a friend who used to road race little street legal 4 cylinder MGs. They would put a light flywheel on their cars to make them accelerate out of corners faster. The problem that he had was that it made the car hard to drive on the street. Shifting smoothly under street conditions became difficult because the engine decelerated so fast between gears that it made the car what he called "jerky". Be careful to not give in to the desire to go too high performance with a car you intend to drive on the street. Race components are cool but the higher performance the car becomes the narrower its scope of drivability. A balls out, street legal race car is a blast to drive occasionally but it's also a pain in the ass to drive if you really intended to build a "driver". Experience talking... Bill Vander Werf - Original Message - From: "Larry Shouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Stupid question? Interesting stuff - If I'm understanding this correctly, in my manual transmission BBC application, if I had a lighter flywheel, the engine would rev up faster, but it would bog down sooner as well. When you buy a flywheel, as I will have to, what should I look for, if my application is a street machine that goes fast? Thanks, Larry
Re: [Chevelle-list] Stupid question?
Interesting stuff - If I'm understanding this correctly, in my manual transmission BBC application, if I had a lighter flywheel, the engine would rev up faster, but it would bog down sooner as well. When you buy a flywheel, as I will have to, what should I look for, if my application is a street machine that goes fast? Thanks, Larry - Original Message - From: "Bill Vander Werf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Stupid question? One point I haven't seen brought up yet is the weight issue. Although a flywheel weighs more than a flexplate a flexplate / torque converter assembly weighs about the same as a flywheel / clutch assembly. Anyone who has ever run an engine with a flexplate only with no torque converter connected will attest to the effect of the weight of the converter. Without the convertor the engine will rev very rapidly but also decelerate at a very rapid rate when the throttle is released. The weight of each setup restricts engine acceleration as well as providing inertia to keep things rotating smoothly. Bill Vander Werf - Original Message - From: "Pelle Andersson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Stupid question? What is the differense between a flywheel & a flexplate? Is the flexplate part of the flywheel? Confusius ;)
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One point I haven't seen brought up yet is the weight issue. Although a flywheel weighs more than a flexplate a flexplate / torque converter assembly weighs about the same as a flywheel / clutch assembly. Anyone who has ever run an engine with a flexplate only with no torque converter connected will attest to the effect of the weight of the converter. Without the convertor the engine will rev very rapidly but also decelerate at a very rapid rate when the throttle is released. The weight of each setup restricts engine acceleration as well as providing inertia to keep things rotating smoothly. Bill Vander Werf - Original Message - From: "Pelle Andersson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Stupid question? What is the differense between a flywheel & a flexplate? Is the flexplate part of the flywheel? Confusius ;)
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Pelle Flywheel is much thicker and the clutch is bolted on it. Used to manual transmissions. Automatic transmissions are using a turbine instead connected to the flexplate. The starter uses the gear on the flexplate. The Swedish word for flexplate is "startkrans" which pretty much explains the function Hans -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Pelle Andersson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skickat: Thursday, August 04, 2005 08:34 Till: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Ämne: [Chevelle-list] Stupid question? What is the differense between a flywheel & a flexplate? Is the flexplate part of the flywheel? Confusius ;) _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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Shawn and RJ,
It's good to drive an engineering discussion! RJ you are exactly
correct. Everything has potential energy due to the simple fact of
gravity. Kinetic energy is developed from the rotating mass.
Ron M.
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Wow, look what I caused usin' fancy words!Physics was a
long time ago, so I'll defer to the experts.Thanks!--Shawn
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Homes404-427-8229On Aug 4, 2005, at 1:16 PM, RJ Winkler wrote:
Technically,
It has kinetic and potential energy. Kinetic is basically movement,
and since the flywheel is spinning it has kinetic energy. But the
basic way to measure potential energy is height off the ground where gravity
can act on it. Since the flywheel is above ground level it has
potential energy but since its spinning it has kinetic also. Your both
right. –RJ Winkler From:
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Re: [Chevelle-list] Stupid question? Actually
Ron, It
is kinetic energy. An example of stored energy would be the spring in a
wind up clock. As the clock releases the stored energy from the spring by
turning its hands, that would be an example of kinetic energy. Rich-Original
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Re: [Chevelle-list] Stupid question?Shawn,Nice
explanation. I just have one comment. It is actually potential
energy that is stored in the flywheel. Ron
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Re: [Chevelle-list] Stupid question? Pelle,
The best way I know to explain it is a flexplate is used with an automatic
transmission and is usually lighter and thinner. Its basic role
is to give a place to use the starter on. Whereas the flywheel on a
manual transmission car is much heavier and actually stores kinetic energy
to help move the car during
take-off.
I'm sure we'll get lots more (better) explanations than this though.--Shawn
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What is the differense between a flywheel & a flexplate?>
Is the flexplate part of the
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Wow, look what I caused usin' fancy words! Physics was a long time ago, so I'll defer to the experts. Thanks! -- Shawn Price Network Team Lead Technology Solutions Morrison Homes 404-427-8229 On Aug 4, 2005, at 1:16 PM, RJ Winkler wrote: Technically, It has kinetic and potential energy. Kinetic is basically movement, and since the flywheel is spinning it has kinetic energy. But the basic way to measure potential energy is height off the ground where gravity can act on it. Since the flywheel is above ground level it has potential energy but since its spinning it has kinetic also. Your both right. –RJ Winkler From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:10 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Stupid question? Actually Ron, It is kinetic energy. An example of stored energy would be the spring in a wind up clock. As the clock releases the stored energy from the spring by turning its hands, that would be an example of kinetic energy. Rich -Original Message- From: Ron Malespin Sent: Aug 4, 2005 12:54 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Stupid question? Shawn, Nice explanation. I just have one comment. It is actually potential energy that is stored in the flywheel. Ron Malespin - Original Message - From: Shawn Price To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Stupid question? Pelle, The best way I know to explain it is a flexplate is used with an automatic transmission and is usually lighter and thinner. Its basic role is to give a place to use the starter on. Whereas the flywheel on a manual transmission car is much heavier and actually stores kinetic energy to help move the car during take-off. I'm sure we'll get lots more (better) explanations than this though. -- Shawn Price Network Team Lead Technology Solutions Morrison Homes 404-427-8229 On Aug 4, 2005, at 11:34 AM, Pelle Andersson wrote: > What is the differense between a flywheel & a flexplate? > Is the flexplate part of the flywheel? > > Confusius ;) > > _ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > >
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Technically, It has kinetic and potential energy. Kinetic is basically movement, and since the flywheel is spinning it has kinetic energy. But the basic way to measure potential energy is height off the ground where gravity can act on it. Since the flywheel is above ground level it has potential energy but since its spinning it has kinetic also. Your both right. –RJ Winkler From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:10 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Stupid question? Actually Ron, It is kinetic energy. An example of stored energy would be the spring in a wind up clock. As the clock releases the stored energy from the spring by turning its hands, that would be an example of kinetic energy. Rich -Original Message- From: Ron Malespin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Aug 4, 2005 12:54 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Stupid question? Shawn, Nice explanation. I just have one comment. It is actually potential energy that is stored in the flywheel. Ron Malespin - Original Message - From: Shawn Price To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Stupid question? Pelle, The best way I know to explain it is a flexplate is used with an automatic transmission and is usually lighter and thinner. Its basic role is to give a place to use the starter on. Whereas the flywheel on a manual transmission car is much heavier and actually stores kinetic energy to help move the car during take-off. I'm sure we'll get lots more (better) explanations than this though. -- Shawn Price Network Team Lead Technology Solutions Morrison Homes 404-427-8229 On Aug 4, 2005, at 11:34 AM, Pelle Andersson wrote: > What is the differense between a flywheel & a flexplate? > Is the flexplate part of the flywheel? > > Confusius ;) > > _ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > >
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Actually Ron, It is kinetic energy. An example of stored energy would be the spring in a wind up clock. As the clock releases the stored energy from the spring by turning its hands, that would be an example of kinetic energy. Rich-Original Message- From: Ron Malespin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Aug 4, 2005 12:54 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Stupid question? Shawn, Nice explanation. I just have one comment. It is actually potential energy that is stored in the flywheel. Ron Malespin - Original Message - From: Shawn Price To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Stupid question? Pelle, The best way I know to explain it is a flexplate is used with an automatic transmission and is usually lighter and thinner. Its basic role is to give a place to use the starter on. Whereas the flywheel on a manual transmission car is much heavier and actually stores kinetic energy to help move the car during take-off. I'm sure we'll get lots more (better) explanations than this though.--Shawn PriceNetwork Team LeadTechnology SolutionsMorrison Homes404-427-8229On Aug 4, 2005, at 11:34 AM, Pelle Andersson wrote:> What is the differense between a flywheel & a flexplate?> Is the flexplate part of the flywheel?>> Confusius ;)>> _> FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/>>>
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Shawn, Nice explanation. I just have one comment. It is actually potential energy that is stored in the flywheel. Ron Malespin - Original Message - From: Shawn Price To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Stupid question? Pelle, The best way I know to explain it is a flexplate is used with an automatic transmission and is usually lighter and thinner. Its basic role is to give a place to use the starter on. Whereas the flywheel on a manual transmission car is much heavier and actually stores kinetic energy to help move the car during take-off. I'm sure we'll get lots more (better) explanations than this though.--Shawn PriceNetwork Team LeadTechnology SolutionsMorrison Homes404-427-8229On Aug 4, 2005, at 11:34 AM, Pelle Andersson wrote:> What is the differense between a flywheel & a flexplate?> Is the flexplate part of the flywheel?>> Confusius ;)>> _> FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/>>>
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Ahh I see! Thanks again to you all! Pelle From: Shawn Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Stupid question? Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:43:07 -0400 Pelle, The best way I know to explain it is a flexplate is used with an automatic transmission and is usually lighter and thinner. Its basic role is to give a place to use the starter on. Whereas the flywheel on a manual transmission car is much heavier and actually stores kinetic energy to help move the car during take-off. I'm sure we'll get lots more (better) explanations than this though. -- Shawn Price Network Team Lead Technology Solutions Morrison Homes 404-427-8229 On Aug 4, 2005, at 11:34 AM, Pelle Andersson wrote: What is the differense between a flywheel & a flexplate? Is the flexplate part of the flywheel? Confusius ;) _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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Pelle, The best way I know to explain it is a flexplate is used with an automatic transmission and is usually lighter and thinner. Its basic role is to give a place to use the starter on. Whereas the flywheel on a manual transmission car is much heavier and actually stores kinetic energy to help move the car during take-off. I'm sure we'll get lots more (better) explanations than this though. -- Shawn Price Network Team Lead Technology Solutions Morrison Homes 404-427-8229 On Aug 4, 2005, at 11:34 AM, Pelle Andersson wrote: What is the differense between a flywheel & a flexplate? Is the flexplate part of the flywheel? Confusius ;) _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
RE: [Chevelle-list] Stupid question?
Flywheel - For a standard shift Transmission it's engaged by the pressure plate/clutch assembly Flexplate - for an automatic transmission, it bolts to the torque converter Sarge -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pelle Andersson Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 7:34 AM To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: [Chevelle-list] Stupid question? What is the differense between a flywheel & a flexplate? Is the flexplate part of the flywheel? Confusius ;) _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
[Chevelle-list] Stupid question?
What is the differense between a flywheel & a flexplate? Is the flexplate part of the flywheel? Confusius ;) _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
