Re: [Chevelle-list] brakes/fuel gauge
You are correct. In 69 the prop valve was up next to the master. The block on the frame is simply a distribution block. In 71 they did away with the prop valve up by the master and incorporated it into the distribution block down on the frame. - Original Message - From: harkema...@aol.com To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] brakes/fuel gauge In a message dated 7/13/2010 9:30:57 PM Central Daylight Time, harkema...@aol.com writes: heck the ground to the dash for the gauge. Sounds like your booster has failed, do you have a check valve in the booster? Run the car and pull the valve out it should be under vacuum. Jim Well, Kim was right, my booster was jusk, replaced it and now every thing seems ok, i did not swap the porportioning valve over from the donor car, should i do that? (this is the block on the framewhere all the line run correct?) i assumed the porportioning valve was the round valve that i swapped over that was right under the master cyl that was about 3-4" long. also i checked the fuel gauge connections at the dash and in the back, all seems ok, when i ground the wire in the back the gauge drops down to "E" so what does this mean? a bad sender?
Re: [Chevelle-list] brakes/fuel gauge
It means yer out of gas Just kidding:-D - Original Message - From: harkema...@aol.com To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 4:11:28 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] brakes/fuel gauge In a message dated 7/13/2010 9:30:57 PM Central Daylight Time, harkema...@aol.com writes: heck the ground to the dash for the gauge. Sounds like your booster has failed, do you have a check valve in the booster? Run the car and pull the valve out it should be under vacuum. Jim Well, Kim was right, my booster was jusk, replaced it and now every thing seems ok, i did not swap the porportioning valve over from the donor car, should i do that? (this is the block on the framewhere all the line run correct?) i assumed the porportioning valve was the round valve that i swapped over that was right under the master cyl that was about 3-4" long. also i checked the fuel gauge connections at the dash and in the back, all seems ok, when i ground the wire in the back the gauge drops down to "E" so what does this mean? a bad sender? heck the ground to the dash for the gauge. Sounds like your booster has failed, do you have a check valve in the booster? Run the car and pull the valve out it should be under vacuum. Jim Well, Kim was right, my booster was jusk, replaced it and now every thing seems ok, i did not swap the porportioning valve over from the donor car, should i do that? (this is the block on the framewhere all the line run correct?) i assumed the porportioning valve was the round valve that i swapped over that was right under the master cyl that was about 3-4" long. also i checked the fuel gauge connections at the dash and in the back, all seems ok, when i ground the wire in the back the gauge drops down to "E" so what does this mean? a bad sender?
Re: [Chevelle-list] brakes/fuel gauge
The proportioning valve balances the front to rear brakes. Under hard to moderate braking the car will nose dive or the rear brakes will lock if the valve is incorrect. If you feel even braking front to rear, your are fine. Some times the whole gauge cluster needs to be grounded. Simply connect a wire from a screw in the cluster to a solid place on the dash or firewall. Also check the ground on the sending unit at the tank. From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of harkema...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 7:11 PM To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] brakes/fuel gauge In a message dated 7/13/2010 9:30:57 PM Central Daylight Time, harkema...@aol.com writes: heck the ground to the dash for the gauge. Sounds like your booster has failed, do you have a check valve in the booster? Run the car and pull the valve out it should be under vacuum. Jim Well, Kim was right, my booster was jusk, replaced it and now every thing seems ok, i did not swap the porportioning valve over from the donor car, should i do that? (this is the block on the framewhere all the line run correct?) i assumed the porportioning valve was the round valve that i swapped over that was right under the master cyl that was about 3-4" long. also i checked the fuel gauge connections at the dash and in the back, all seems ok, when i ground the wire in the back the gauge drops down to "E" so what does this mean? a bad sender?
Re: [Chevelle-list] brakes/fuel gauge
In a message dated 7/13/2010 9:30:57 PM Central Daylight Time, harkema...@aol.com writes: > heck the ground to the dash for the gauge. Sounds like your booster has > failed, do you have a check valve in the booster? Run the car and pull the > valve out it should be under vacuum. > > > > Jim > Well, Kim was right, my booster was jusk, replaced it and now every thing seems ok, i did not swap the porportioning valve over from the donor car, should i do that? (this is the block on the framewhere all the line run correct?) i assumed the porportioning valve was the round valve that i swapped over that was right under the master cyl that was about 3-4" long. also i checked the fuel gauge connections at the dash and in the back, all seems ok, when i ground the wire in the back the gauge drops down to "E" so what does this mean? a bad sender?
Re: [Chevelle-list] brakes/fuel gauge
In a message dated 7/13/2010 6:43:15 PM Central Daylight Time, jimthompso...@gmail.com writes: > heck the ground to the dash for the gauge. Sounds like your booster has > failed, do you have a check valve in the booster? Run the car and pull the > valve out it should be under vacuum. > > > > Jim > > Thanks Jim, i checked the check valve and for vacume at the site, seems ok, removed the booster and actuated it from the back side with my finger over the hole, and it did not hold,,, so you are right, thanks, i will get a replacement on there tomarrow and keep you posted!! Harlan
Re: [Chevelle-list] brakes/fuel gauge
Check the ground to the dash for the gauge. Sounds like your booster has failed, do you have a check valve in the booster? Run the car and pull the valve out it should be under vacuum. Jim From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of harkema...@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 10:39 PM To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: [Chevelle-list] brakes/fuel gauge i put power discs in my 68 from a 1969 pontiac grand prix, and now i have to use both feet to stop the car and the stopping distance is great, can anyone help to what might be the problem? seems like they are working because the rotors get warm after a drive. and also the fuel gauge is pegged on full at all times thanks! Harlan
Re: [Chevelle-list] brakes/fuel gauge
It sounds to me like the master you got from NAPA is master for a 70-72. The original master you got from the GP sounds like a 69 master. Can't remember which one uses the short push rod and which one the long rod (between the booster and the master) but these two masters use different sized rods. Your problem would indicate you have the short rod in and need the long one. Trooper - Original Message - From: harkema...@aol.com To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] brakes/fuel gauge ok i checked the inside rod at the pedal, and was going to try it in the other hole, but i could not get it to move into the other hole because it was hitting on things, i put the whole booster/rod ass'y from the gran prix into the car. i used the booster, spindles, porportioning valve from the gran prix, and got the discs, calipers,hoses,brgs, master from NAPA for a 69 gran prix with front discs. i did notice that the original master was somwhat more rounded looking than the one i got from NAPA which is more rectangular and when we measured the outside length of the original and NAPA master the original one out of the gran prix is longer than the one we put in, this was just measuring the outside of the case-- if this matters ?? In a message dated 7/13/2010 1:20:24 PM Central Daylight Time, ric...@gmail.com writes: Did you change to a disc type master cylinder & a disc type proportioning/distribution valve? On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Dan Solomon wrote: Harlan, As for the brakes, where the booster and master cylinder both off the grand prix? On the booster there is a shaft. They can be short or long. They don't mix and match. A long shaft in a shallow master cylinder can be an issue. Also when switching from manual to power, you need to move the pin in the brake pedal to the other hole. If I remember correctly, move to the top hole, but either way, the OTHER hole. Dan
Re: [Chevelle-list] brakes/fuel gauge
ok i checked the inside rod at the pedal, and was going to try it in the other hole, but i could not get it to move into the other hole because it was hitting on things, i put the whole booster/rod ass'y from the gran prix into the car. i used the booster, spindles, porportioning valve from the gran prix, and got the discs, calipers,hoses,brgs, master from NAPA for a 69 gran prix with front discs. i did notice that the original master was somwhat more rounded looking than the one i got from NAPA which is more rectangular and when we measured the outside length of the original and NAPA master the original one out of the gran prix is longer than the one we put in, this was just measuring the outside of the case-- if this matters ?? In a message dated 7/13/2010 1:20:24 PM Central Daylight Time, ric...@gmail.com writes: > > Did you change to a disc type master cylinder & a disc type > proportioning/distribution valve? > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Dan Solomon wrote: > >> Harlan, >> >> >> As for the brakes, where the booster and master cylinder both off the >> grand prix? On the booster there is a shaft. They can be short or long. They >> don't mix and match. A long shaft in a shallow master cylinder can be an >> issue. >> Also when switching from manual to power, you need to move the pin in the >> brake pedal to the other hole. If I remember correctly, move to the top >> hole, but either way, the OTHER hole. >> >> Dan >> > >
Re: [Chevelle-list] brakes/fuel gauge
Did you change to a disc type master cylinder & a disc type proportioning/distribution valve? On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Dan Solomon wrote: > Harlan, > > You must have lost a ground while under the dash. Find it and you should > solve the gas gauge problem. > As for the brakes, where the booster and master cylinder both off the grand > prix? On the booster there is a shaft. They can be short or long. They don't > mix and match. A long shaft in a shallow master cylinder can be an issue. > Also when switching from manual to power, you need to move the pin in the > brake pedal to the other hole. If I remember correctly, move to the top > hole, but either way, the OTHER hole. > > Dan > > > > -- > From: harkema...@aol.com > Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 22:39:04 -0400 > To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net > Subject: [Chevelle-list] brakes/fuel gauge > > > i put power discs in my 68 from a 1969 pontiac grand prix, and now i have > to use both feet to stop the car and the stopping distance is great, can > anyone help to what might be the problem? seems like they are working > because the rotors get warm after a drive. > > and also the fuel gauge is pegged on full at all times > > > thanks! > Harlan > -- Rick Schaefer 72 TPI El Camino
Re: [Chevelle-list] brakes/fuel gauge
Harlan, You must have lost a ground while under the dash. Find it and you should solve the gas gauge problem. As for the brakes, where the booster and master cylinder both off the grand prix? On the booster there is a shaft. They can be short or long. They don't mix and match. A long shaft in a shallow master cylinder can be an issue. Also when switching from manual to power, you need to move the pin in the brake pedal to the other hole. If I remember correctly, move to the top hole, but either way, the OTHER hole. Dan From: harkema...@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 22:39:04 -0400 To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: [Chevelle-list] brakes/fuel gauge i put power discs in my 68 from a 1969 pontiac grand prix, and now i have to use both feet to stop the car and the stopping distance is great, can anyone help to what might be the problem? seems like they are working because the rotors get warm after a drive. and also the fuel gauge is pegged on full at all times thanks! Harlan
[Chevelle-list] brakes/fuel gauge
i put power discs in my 68 from a 1969 pontiac grand prix, and now i have to use both feet to stop the car and the stopping distance is great, can anyone help to what might be the problem? seems like they are working because the rotors get warm after a drive. and also the fuel gauge is pegged on full at all times thanks! Harlan
