Re: [Chevelle-List] Jack Stand Safety
In a message dated 12/1/02 1:06:29 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: guys, I apologize for the last email, i dont know what just happened, but I was trying to send an email to a friend of mine and the chevelle list email address came up. thats AOL for ya, please disregard this. THIS WAS NOT MEANT TO GO TO THE CHEVELLE LIST AND HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS THREAD sue I believe ya'
Re: [Chevelle-List] Jack Stand Safety
In a message dated 12/1/2002 3:59:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > That's really mature Jack. My boys views this. He already has enough bad examples in >life without our society casting > more of this. Smitty read the second email i sent immediatley after that. By no means would I ever consider a something to be a safety measure in that manner. That was a response to a personal email to a friend of mine and should not have been sent to the list. I plan on going back into my AOL address book and removing all of the addresses so this doesn't happen again. I still don't know how it happened. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Call me paranoid, but I use four jacksstands and double up with two more at the end of the car I working on and put the floor jack on the other end. E -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John NastaSent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 8:54 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Jack Stand Safety Good point about never working under the car alone. Although if the car does fall on you, having somebody else there to watch is not necessarily going to save your life. Also, the cheapo jack stands have a triangular base and are made of bent sheet metal. Those things are an accident waiting to happen. Good jack stands have a rectangular base and are made of cast iron. I had my El Camino on 4 (good quality) jack stands for two years and there was no problem to have it sitting there. I didnt work under it though w/o putting a good hydraulic floor jack near where I was working as a failsafe. There's no such thing as being too careful in this situation. John Nasta -Original Message- john: i really think the jackstand we had as kids 30 + years ago were POS. the new style are far superior to the old ones. personally if I'm under the car i jack up the car high enough to put blocks (4 x 12 about 12 inches long) under the tires. i put as many as i need (4 x being 3 1/2 inches) and then i let the car down on jack stands just to the point where there is a load on the stands and the tires wont turn. Do not jack car up too high. I then feel pretty safe. 1) NEVER WORK UNDER A CAR ALONE! Larry (Z)
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One more thought. If you do get a good set of ramps w/ removable inclines, it is a good idea to put the incline panels on the drivers' seat after removing them. That way you'll never sit down and attempt to back the car off the stands w/o the incline panels in place. It's a good way to remind yourself that they have to be put back before you move the car. John Nasta -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tom Tomlinson Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 12:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Jack Stand Safety Thanks to everyone for their advice and tips on this. The four jack stand situation just didn't seem safe to me, and now I'll take steps to make sure the work safe. Tom Tomlinson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Nasta Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 8:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Jack Stand Safety Good point about never working under the car alone. Although if the car does fall on you, having somebody else there to watch is not necessarily going to save your life. Also, the cheapo jack stands have a triangular base and are made of bent sheet metal. Those things are an accident waiting to happen. Good jack stands have a rectangular base and are made of cast iron. I had my El Camino on 4 (good quality) jack stands for two years and there was no problem to have it sitting there. I didn’t work under it though w/o putting a good hydraulic floor jack near where I was working as a failsafe. There's no such thing as being too careful in this situation. John Nasta -Original Message- john: i really think the jackstand we had as kids 30 + years ago were POS. the new style are far superior to the old ones. personally if I'm under the car i jack up the car high enough to put blocks (4 x 12 about 12 inches long) under the tires. i put as many as i need (4 x being 3 1/2 inches) and then i let the car down on jack stands just to the point where there is a load on the stands and the tires wont turn. Do not jack car up too high. I then feel pretty safe. 1) NEVER WORK UNDER A CAR ALONE! Larry (Z)
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Smitty, You must not of read the e-mail that followed that. Here it is: guys, I apologize for the last email, i dont know what just happened, but I was trying to send an email to a friend of mine and the chevelle list email address came up. thats AOL for ya, please disregard this. THIS WAS NOT MEANT TO GO TO THE CHEVELLE LIST AND HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS THREAD -Tim 1966 Chevelle
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That's really mature Jack. My boys views this. He already has enough bad examples in life without our society casting more of this. Smitty - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Jack Stand Safety pussys :-)
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yea right!!! LOLOLOL!! sorry I just found it amusing. Ðäññÿ .. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Jack Stand Safety guys, I apologize for the last email, i dont know what just happened, but I was trying to send an email to a friend of mine and the chevelle list email address came up. thats AOL for ya, please disregard this. THIS WAS NOT MEANT TO GO TO THE CHEVELLE LIST AND HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS THREAD
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At my job,we use jack stands and short sections of railroad ties(12" long or so) to chock and block equipment. Clint HooperLT5 Registry DirectorWichita Falls,Tx(940) 855-6636'91 ZR-1 Callaway AerobodyTX TAGS: USA ZR1http://www.LT5Registry.net/'69 El Camino Pro Street - Original Message - From: John Nasta An object falls when its center of gravity exceeds its base. The problem with jack stands is that they have a very small base, and by raising the car onto 4 jack stands, you are raising the center of gravity AND putting it on a smaller base at the same time. Also, jack stands will sink into things like asphalt, causing the weight to shift. You can get away with it if it is a level cement surface. My El Camino was on 4 jack stands for 2 years. During that time, I never got under it. It was really only on stands because the tires did not hold air and I didn't want the aluminum rims to be supporting the car for that long. Putting the front on a good set of ramps and the back on stands is MUCH safer. When I was a teenager, a guy a couple of blocks away was killed because he was under his car while it was on 4 jack stands. Sure, you might be able to get away with it, but the price you pay if it doesn't work out is way too high. I would recommend that you get a good set of heavy-duty ramps with removable inclines, and one set of jack stands. JMO, John Nasta
Re: [Chevelle-List] Jack Stand Safety
guys, I apologize for the last email, i dont know what just happened, but I was trying to send an email to a friend of mine and the chevelle list email address came up. thats AOL for ya, please disregard this. THIS WAS NOT MEANT TO GO TO THE CHEVELLE LIST AND HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS THREAD
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pussys :-)
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Thanks to everyone for their advice and tips on this. The four jack stand situation just didn't seem safe to me, and now I'll take steps to make sure the work safe. Tom Tomlinson -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John NastaSent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 8:54 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Jack Stand Safety Good point about never working under the car alone. Although if the car does fall on you, having somebody else there to watch is not necessarily going to save your life. Also, the cheapo jack stands have a triangular base and are made of bent sheet metal. Those things are an accident waiting to happen. Good jack stands have a rectangular base and are made of cast iron. I had my El Camino on 4 (good quality) jack stands for two years and there was no problem to have it sitting there. I didn’t work under it though w/o putting a good hydraulic floor jack near where I was working as a failsafe. There's no such thing as being too careful in this situation. John Nasta -Original Message- john: i really think the jackstand we had as kids 30 + years ago were POS. the new style are far superior to the old ones. personally if I'm under the car i jack up the car high enough to put blocks (4 x 12 about 12 inches long) under the tires. i put as many as i need (4 x being 3 1/2 inches) and then i let the car down on jack stands just to the point where there is a load on the stands and the tires wont turn. Do not jack car up too high. I then feel pretty safe. 1) NEVER WORK UNDER A CAR ALONE! Larry (Z)
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Good point about never working under the car alone. Although if the car does fall on you, having somebody else there to watch is not necessarily going to save your life. Also, the cheapo jack stands have a triangular base and are made of bent sheet metal. Those things are an accident waiting to happen. Good jack stands have a rectangular base and are made of cast iron. I had my El Camino on 4 (good quality) jack stands for two years and there was no problem to have it sitting there. I didn’t work under it though w/o putting a good hydraulic floor jack near where I was working as a failsafe. There's no such thing as being too careful in this situation. John Nasta -Original Message- john: i really think the jackstand we had as kids 30 + years ago were POS. the new style are far superior to the old ones. personally if I'm under the car i jack up the car high enough to put blocks (4 x 12 about 12 inches long) under the tires. i put as many as i need (4 x being 3 1/2 inches) and then i let the car down on jack stands just to the point where there is a load on the stands and the tires wont turn. Do not jack car up too high. I then feel pretty safe. 1) NEVER WORK UNDER A CAR ALONE! Larry (Z)
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We have had our 67 Nova up on 4 stands for about 3 yearsWe use heavy duty jack stands, that the base are wider than a average stand. Never had any problems. When I work on mine, and need to have it all in the air, since 4 stands are under the nova, I still have 2 more, So i put those under the rear axle, and then put ramps under the front tires...i usually put one facing front, and one facing back, so it hopefully wont roll away if something did happen. -Tim 1966 Chevelle
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good idea john! i for got to mention i always have mine with slight pressure there Larry (Z)
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john: i really think the jackstand we had as kids 30 + years ago were POS. the new style are far superior to the old ones. personally if I'm under the car i jack up the car high enough to put blocks (4 x 12 about 12 inches long) under the tires. i put as many as i need (4 x being 3 1/2 inches) and then i let the car down on jack stands just to the point where there is a load on the stands and the tires wont turn. Do not jack car up too high. I then feel pretty safe. 1) NEVER WORK UNDER A CAR ALONE! Larry (Z)
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p.s. even if you use ramps in front and jack stands in the back, it is still a good idea to have a good floor jack under the rear differential as well. The life you save may be your own. John Nasta -Original Message- An object falls when its center of gravity exceeds its base. The problem with jack stands is that they have a very small base, and by raising the car onto 4 jack stands, you are raising the center of gravity AND putting it on a smaller base at the same time. Also, jack stands will sink into things like asphalt, causing the weight to shift. You can get away with it if it is a level cement surface. My El Camino was on 4 jack stands for 2 years. During that time, I never got under it. It was really only on stands because the tires did not hold air and I didn't want the aluminum rims to be supporting the car for that long. Putting the front on a good set of ramps and the back on stands is MUCH safer. When I was a teenager, a guy a couple of blocks away was killed because he was under his car while it was on 4 jack stands. Sure, you might be able to get away with it, but the price you pay if it doesn't work out is way too high. I would recommend that you get a good set of heavy-duty ramps with removable inclines, and one set of jack stands. JMO, John Nasta
RE: [Chevelle-List] Jack Stand Safety
An object falls when its center of gravity exceeds its base. The problem with jack stands is that they have a very small base, and by raising the car onto 4 jack stands, you are raising the center of gravity AND putting it on a smaller base at the same time. Also, jack stands will sink into things like asphalt, causing the weight to shift. You can get away with it if it is a level cement surface. My El Camino was on 4 jack stands for 2 years. During that time, I never got under it. It was really only on stands because the tires did not hold air and I didn't want the aluminum rims to be supporting the car for that long. Putting the front on a good set of ramps and the back on stands is MUCH safer. When I was a teenager, a guy a couple of blocks away was killed because he was under his car while it was on 4 jack stands. Sure, you might be able to get away with it, but the price you pay if it doesn't work out is way too high. I would recommend that you get a good set of heavy-duty ramps with removable inclines, and one set of jack stands. JMO, John Nasta
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I always have my cars up on 4 jackstands, whether its the 70 SS, the 69 Malibu, or my daily driver 86 Cutlass. In fact, my 69 is up on 4 stands right now. How else are ya suppose to put in a transmission if you don't have a lift or access to one. When I do this, I always put the front end up first. I center the jackstands under the lower control arms so that the bottom of the shock rest in the cradle of the jack stand. When I jack up the rear, I put the jackstands under the frame where the lower trailing arm mounts are since all of my cars have sway bars on them and I cannot let the sway bar sit onthe jack stand. It also allows the rear suspension to relax and gives me a little more room to clean it up for a show or something. Tom
