Re: [Chevelle-List] rip-off body shops
Anyone besides Jeff Lilly in San Antonio? As I posted in another email, I don't want a $60,000+ body-off restoration (what he quoted me as a likely minimum - you just give him a credit card and he keeps charging it). I just want a decent body shop who will give me a decent daily-driver paint job and fix a few of the body problems. If I had a garage and the time, I would try it myself but I don't. Spatch - Original Message - From: D.R. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] rip-off body shops Jeff Lilly Restorations would be about the best in the SA area to look at, has a good website, don't have the address handy. D.R. Jones - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jeff Lilly Restorations would be about the best in the SA area to look at, has a good website, don't have the address handy. D.R. Jones - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Isn't Jeff Lilly the one that costs about $60,000 minimum (What he told me when I called him) for a body off? I'm looking more for the guy who will do a good job but not charge an arm a leg and a hand. I don't even need a body-off, just want a reputable shop that will be honest with the charges and give me a good paintjob while fixing the body problems. Spatch - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] rip-off body shops Jeff Lilly Restorations in SA is one of the best around. Clint HooperLT5 Registry Director'91 ZR-1 Callaway Aerobodyhttp://www.LT5Registry.net/'69 El Camino ProTourer ACES #1650http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint_hooper.htm'99 Honda F6 Valkyrie custom for sale - Original Message - From: tjgallant Actually I would like to know that as well. I am in San Antonio and, like the rest of you, do not want to get ripped off. Appreciate any insight. Trent Gallant '67 Chevelle SS - Original Message - From: Spatch Anyone know if there is a place like this in the San Antonio area? Spatch
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In a message dated 3/30/03 11:08:31 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: they happy, did they get what they expected and most importantly, would they send their mother there for a paint job. SPEAKING of this, i worked at this car dealer (forest lake chrysler) where i did all the billing, the parts managers (Brian Rictmeier) mother had her car in for repair, when it was done the tech gave me the paper work to bill out, i could see the costs of the pars and the sale amount, the prices were at retail, so i went to the parts manager and asked if he wanted to give his mom the "employee discount" his reply was-" I will give her some off but not that much" sure enough when i got the paperwork back some prices were still at retail and some were very slightly changed-(anyone elses family members received a "employee discount" both on parts and labor) he would not even let me change the labor prices in this case asking the above question, might burn you! :)
Re: [Chevelle-List] rip-off body shops
In a message dated 3/30/03 11:08:31 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: they happy, did they get what they expected and most importantly, would they send their mother there for a paint job. SPEAKING of this, i worked at this car dealer (forest lake chrysler) where i did all the billing, the parts managers (Brian Rictmeier) mother had her car in for repair, when it was done the tech gave me the paper work to bill out, i could see the costs of the pars and the sale amount, the prices were at retail, so i went to the parts manager and asked if he wanted to give his mom the "employee discount" his reply was-" I will give her some off but not that much" sure enough when i got the paperwork back some prices were still at retail and some were very slightly changed-(anyone elses family members received a "employee discount" both on parts and labor) he would not even let me change the labor prices in this case asking the above question, might burn you! :)
Re: [Chevelle-List] rip-off body shops
In a message dated 3/30/03 11:08:31 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: they happy, did they get what they expected and most importantly, would they send their mother there for a paint job. SPEAKING of this, i worked at this car dealer (forest lake chrysler) where i did all the billing, the parts managers (Brian Rictmeier) mother had her car in for repair, when it was done the tech gave me the paper work to bill out, i could see the costs of the pars and the sale amount, the prices were at retail, so i went to the parts manager and asked if he wanted to give his mom the "employee discount" his reply was-" I will give her some off but not that much" sure enough when i got the paperwork back some prices were still at retail and some were very slightly changed-(anyone elses family members received a "employee discount" both on parts and labor) he would not even let me change the labor prices in this case asking the above question, might burn you! :)
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sorry- (darn ol computer) i did not mean to send this so many times- can y'all forgive me?? Harlan - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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haha, I was wondering what was going on there... Dan McIntosh Bagged 64 Impala SS www.alloldchevy.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] rip-off body shops sorry- (darn ol computer) i did not mean to send this so many times- can y'all forgive me?? Harlan - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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No -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 11:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] rip-off body shops sorry- (darn ol computer) i did not mean to send this so many times- can y'all forgive me?? Harlan - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I was lucky the 1st time. A friend told me about this guy who does restoreation work and I went to see him. He showed me his shop and I saw a low rider being built. I asked about it and he told me it was Grant Hills ( Detroit Pistons). I figured if this place can do Grants, they can do mine. He took my Nova as a fill in during slow times. (8 months) and when he gave it back to me I was as pleased as could be. I was able to come and watch the progress and take pictures. I called about him doing my Chevelle but there is a 14 month waiting list. I sent this guy a lot of business so he said he may try and work me in sooner. Hope so. Ask guys at car shows whose paint you like, who did it and how much. Were they happy, did they get what they expected and most importantly, would they send their mother there for a paint job. I should mention that my Nova only needed very minor body work and paint. RichACES # 05066 From: Stephen Lentz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 12:40 PM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] rip-off body shops You know, I'm getting tired of repeatedly getting screwed the same ways. Somebody with a web site (or someone smarter than me who knows how to build a web site ;- ) should make an "unofficial" list of good and bad shops from all over the states. I surewould haveappreciated someone telling me "Man, I wouldn't go there if I were you". It would save a lot of us guys a lot of time, money and problems. Steve -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of SteveSent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:29 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] rip-off body shops I waited for 6 years to save for the chance to fully restore my 1968 SS Chevelle I have owned for 26 years. In that 6 yrs., I scouted body shops to find the best to fit my requirements. I was met with statements that the shop only did insurance work, or they will never do another restoration again! But I was able to find 3 shops in the region who wanted to tackle a full restoration. I chose aguy whohad a large shop and did mostly restorations. The owner had a day job and had mechanics working the shop in the day and he worked at night. I had 3 yrs. to check out the guys work and he always seemed to know about restoration work and the problems associated with overhauling an entire classic car. I had an estimate of about $6000 for the basic work, excluding any hidden problems uncovered. He said it would take about 6 month to complete, starting in Nov 1999. To make a long story shorter, it took over a year, I had trouble finding the owner at the shop when he said he would be there, the cost ended up at over $11,000. (I had him do the interior at an interior shop, so that added about $1500.) After I finally got him to deliver the car to me, I found the quarters were original, with 1/2 inch thick bondo over the rustout areas.The agreement was to replace them with full quarters, which he charged me12 hrs labor plus parts for each side. There was still fist-size holes in the backside of the quarters, allowing exhaust to get in. The trim was falling off and the new windshield was loose! Some of the rubber/felt seals I had waited so long to have put in were in the back seat, still in the bag! I wrote up a list of complaints and gave the guy a chance to correct the problems I had found but it was then that several people told me to get the car back because the guy was known to remove SS emblems and such to sell, or not even give your original car back! I had to find another shop fast to determine what was done/not done in order to sue the 1st guy. I was lucky to find a shop up the road from the 1st shop who was familiar with his ways and had in fact redone several classic cars for the same reason as me! One guy who got ripped off was a judge! The second shop (Reflections Automotive, Belleville, IL) was great in assisting me and even sent a mechanic with me to small claims court as an expert witness. They did 1 or 2 classic cars at a time and they were only fill-in work between insurance stuff. These guys took my 68 apart down to the frame and repaired areas that I wouldn't have thought of. Plus, they took digital pictures of the restoration as proof, and I was invited to review my car at any time! In the end, I had more things repaired/corrected than the 1st guy ever would have done. Door windows roll like new, no leaks, trunk like new, etc. Paint looks like factory and all the trim lines up and is secured and tight. There is no place I have found that was missed. So there are a few sh
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Anyone know if there is a place like this in the San Antonio area? Spatch - Original Message - From: RMilkiewicz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] rip-off body shops I was lucky the 1st time. A friend told me about this guy who does restoreation work and I went to see him. He showed me his shop and I saw a low rider being built. I asked about it and he told me it was Grant Hills ( Detroit Pistons). I figured if this place can do Grants, they can do mine. He took my Nova as a fill in during slow times. (8 months) and when he gave it back to me I was as pleased as could be. I was able to come and watch the progress and take pictures. I called about him doing my Chevelle but there is a 14 month waiting list. I sent this guy a lot of business so he said he may try and work me in sooner. Hope so. Ask guys at car shows whose paint you like, who did it and how much. Were they happy, did they get what they expected and most importantly, would they send their mother there for a paint job. I should mention that my Nova only needed very minor body work and paint. RichACES # 05066 From: Stephen Lentz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 12:40 PM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] rip-off body shops You know, I'm getting tired of repeatedly getting screwed the same ways. Somebody with a web site (or someone smarter than me who knows how to build a web site ;- ) should make an "unofficial" list of good and bad shops from all over the states. I surewould haveappreciated someone telling me "Man, I wouldn't go there if I were you". It would save a lot of us guys a lot of time, money and problems. Steve -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of SteveSent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:29 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] rip-off body shops I waited for 6 years to save for the chance to fully restore my 1968 SS Chevelle I have owned for 26 years. In that 6 yrs., I scouted body shops to find the best to fit my requirements. I was met with statements that the shop only did insurance work, or they will never do another restoration again! But I was able to find 3 shops in the region who wanted to tackle a full restoration. I chose aguy whohad a large shop and did mostly restorations. The owner had a day job and had mechanics working the shop in the day and he worked at night. I had 3 yrs. to check out the guys work and he always seemed to know about restoration work and the problems associated with overhauling an entire classic car. I had an estimate of about $6000 for the basic work, excluding any hidden problems uncovered. He said it would take about 6 month to complete, starting in Nov 1999. To make a long story shorter, it took over a year, I had trouble finding the owner at the shop when he said he would be there, the cost ended up at over $11,000. (I had him do the interior at an interior shop, so that added about $1500.) After I finally got him to deliver the car to me, I found the quarters were original, with 1/2 inch thick bondo over the rustout areas.The agreement was to replace them with full quarters, which he charged me12 hrs labor plus parts for each side. There was still fist-size holes in the backside of the quarters, allowing exhaust to get in. The trim was falling off and the new windshield was loose! Some of the rubber/felt seals I had waited so long to have put in were in the back seat, still in the bag! I wrote up a list of complaints and gave the guy a chance to correct the problems I had found but it was then that several people told me to get the car back because the guy was known to remove SS emblems and such to sell, or not even give your original car back! I had to find another shop fast to determine what was done/not done in order to sue the 1st guy. I was lucky to find a shop up the road from the 1st shop who was familiar with his ways and had in fact redone several classic cars for the same reason as me! One guy who got ripped off was a judge! The second shop (Reflections Automotive, Belleville, IL) was great in assisting me and even sent a mechanic with me to small claims court as an expert witness. They did 1 or 2 classic cars at a time and they were only fill-in work between insurance stuff. These guys took my 68 apart down to the frame and repaired areas that I wouldn't have tho
Re: [Chevelle-List] rip-off body shops
Actually I would like to know that as well. I am in San Antonio and, like the rest of you, do not want to get ripped off. Appreciate any insight. Trent Gallant '67 Chevelle SS - Original Message - From: Spatch To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] rip-off body shops Anyone know if there is a place like this in the San Antonio area? Spatch - Original Message - From: RMilkiewicz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] rip-off body shops I was lucky the 1st time. A friend told me about this guy who does restoreation work and I went to see him. He showed me his shop and I saw a low rider being built. I asked about it and he told me it was Grant Hills ( Detroit Pistons). I figured if this place can do Grants, they can do mine. He took my Nova as a fill in during slow times. (8 months) and when he gave it back to me I was as pleased as could be. I was able to come and watch the progress and take pictures. I called about him doing my Chevelle but there is a 14 month waiting list. I sent this guy a lot of business so he said he may try and work me in sooner. Hope so. Ask guys at car shows whose paint you like, who did it and how much. Were they happy, did they get what they expected and most importantly, would they send their mother there for a paint job. I should mention that my Nova only needed very minor body work and paint. RichACES # 05066 From: Stephen Lentz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 12:40 PM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] rip-off body shops You know, I'm getting tired of repeatedly getting screwed the same ways. Somebody with a web site (or someone smarter than me who knows how to build a web site ;- ) should make an "unofficial" list of good and bad shops from all over the states. I surewould haveappreciated someone telling me "Man, I wouldn't go there if I were you". It would save a lot of us guys a lot of time, money and problems. Steve -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of SteveSent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:29 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] rip-off body shops I waited for 6 years to save for the chance to fully restore my 1968 SS Chevelle I have owned for 26 years. In that 6 yrs., I scouted body shops to find the best to fit my requirements. I was met with statements that the shop only did insurance work, or they will never do another restoration again! But I was able to find 3 shops in the region who wanted to tackle a full restoration. I chose aguy whohad a large shop and did mostly restorations. The owner had a day job and had mechanics working the shop in the day and he worked at night. I had 3 yrs. to check out the guys work and he always seemed to know about restoration work and the problems associated with overhauling an entire classic car. I had an estimate of about $6000 for the basic work, excluding any hidden problems uncovered. He said it would take about 6 month to complete, starting in Nov 1999. To make a long story shorter, it took over a year, I had trouble finding the owner at the shop when he said he would be there, the cost ended up at over $11,000. (I had him do the interior at an interior shop, so that added about $1500.) After I finally got him to deliver the car to me, I found the quarters were original, with 1/2 inch thick bondo over the rustout areas.The agreement was to replace them with full quarters, which he charged me12 hrs labor plus parts for each side. There was still fist-size holes in the backside of the quarters, allowing exhaust to get in. The trim was falling off and the new windshield was loose! Some of the rubber/felt seals I had waited so long to have put in were in the back seat, still in the bag! I wrote up a list of complaints and gave the guy a chance to correct the problems I had found but it was then that several people told me to get the car back because the guy was known to remove SS emblems and such to sell, or not even give your original car back! I had to find another shop fast to determine what was done/not done in order to sue the 1st guy. I was lucky to find a shop up the road from the 1
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Jeff Lilly Restorations in SA is one of the best around. Clint HooperLT5 Registry Director'91 ZR-1 Callaway Aerobodyhttp://www.LT5Registry.net/'69 El Camino ProTourer ACES #1650http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint_hooper.htm'99 Honda F6 Valkyrie custom for sale - Original Message - From: tjgallant Actually I would like to know that as well. I am in San Antonio and, like the rest of you, do not want to get ripped off. Appreciate any insight. Trent Gallant '67 Chevelle SS - Original Message - From: Spatch Anyone know if there is a place like this in the San Antonio area? Spatch
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Was a Man named Burns Waggoner, used to own Speed
Sport there in San Antonio...
Has had a "Few" cars in Hot Rod Magazinehung
out at the Old Bun Barrell on Austin Highway on Friday NightsNEVER
steered someone wrong when asked for help of ANY kind...
BUT.I aint lived in San Antonio for over ten
years.
Johnnie
- Original Message -
From:
tjgallant
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:50
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] rip-off body
shops
Actually I would like to know that as well. I am in
San Antonio and, like the rest of you, do not want to get
ripped off. Appreciate any insight.
Trent Gallant
'67 Chevelle SS
- Original Message -
From:
Spatch
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 1:14
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] rip-off
body shops
Anyone know if there is a place like this in
the San Antonio area? Spatch
- Original Message -
From:
RMilkiewicz
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 10:57
AM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] rip-off
body shops
I was lucky the 1st time. A friend told me
about this guy who does restoreation work and I went to see him. He showed
me his shop and I saw a low rider being built. I asked about it and he
told me it was Grant Hills ( Detroit Pistons). I figured if this place can
do Grants, they can do mine. He took my Nova as a fill in during slow
times. (8 months) and when he gave it back to me I was as pleased as could
be. I was able to come and watch the progress and take pictures. I called
about him doing my Chevelle but there is a 14 month waiting list. I sent
this guy a lot of business so he said he may try and work me in sooner.
Hope so.
Ask guys at car shows whose paint you like,
who did it and how much. Were they happy, did they get what they expected
and most importantly, would they send their mother there for a paint job.
I should mention that my Nova only needed very minor body work and
paint.
RichACES # 05066
From:
Stephen
Lentz
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003
12:40 PM
Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List]
rip-off body shops
You know, I'm getting tired of repeatedly getting screwed
the same ways. Somebody with a web site (or someone smarter than
me who knows how to build a web site ;- ) should make an
"unofficial" list of good and bad shops from all over the states.
I surewould haveappreciated someone telling me "Man, I
wouldn't go there if I were you". It would save a lot of us guys a
lot of time, money and problems.
Steve
-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of
SteveSent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:29
AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject:
[Chevelle-List] rip-off body shops
I waited for 6
years to save for the chance to fully restore my 1968 SS Chevelle I
have owned for 26 years. In that 6 yrs., I scouted body shops to
find the best to fit my requirements. I was met with
statements that the shop only did insurance work, or they will never
do another restoration again! But I was able to find 3 shops in
the region who wanted to tackle a full restoration.
I chose
aguy whohad a large shop and did mostly
restorations. The owner had a day job and had mechanics working
the shop in the day and he worked at night. I had 3 yrs. to
check out the guys work and he always seemed to know about restoration
work and the problems associated with overhauling an entire classic
car.
I had an
estimate of about $6000 for the basic work, excluding any hidden
problems uncovered. He said it would take about 6 month to
complete, starting in Nov 1999.
To make a long
story shorter, it took over a year, I had trouble finding the owner at
the shop when he said he would be there, the cost ended up at over
$11,000. (I had him do the interior at an interior shop, so that added
about $1500.)
After I finally
got him to deliver the car to me, I found the quarters were original,
with 1/2 inch thick bondo over the rustout areas.The agreement
was to replace them with full quarters, which he charged me12
hrs labor plus parts for each side. There was st
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You know, I'm getting tired of repeatedly getting screwed the same ways. Somebody with a web site (or someone smarter than me who knows how to build a web site ;- ) should make an "unofficial" list of good and bad shops from all over the states. I surewould haveappreciated someone telling me "Man, I wouldn't go there if I were you". It would save a lot of us guys a lot of time, money and problems. Steve -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of SteveSent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:29 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] rip-off body shops I waited for 6 years to save for the chance to fully restore my 1968 SS Chevelle I have owned for 26 years. In that 6 yrs., I scouted body shops to find the best to fit my requirements. I was met with statements that the shop only did insurance work, or they will never do another restoration again! But I was able to find 3 shops in the region who wanted to tackle a full restoration. I chose aguy whohad a large shop and did mostly restorations. The owner had a day job and had mechanics working the shop in the day and he worked at night. I had 3 yrs. to check out the guys work and he always seemed to know about restoration work and the problems associated with overhauling an entire classic car. I had an estimate of about $6000 for the basic work, excluding any hidden problems uncovered. He said it would take about 6 month to complete, starting in Nov 1999. To make a long story shorter, it took over a year, I had trouble finding the owner at the shop when he said he would be there, the cost ended up at over $11,000. (I had him do the interior at an interior shop, so that added about $1500.) After I finally got him to deliver the car to me, I found the quarters were original, with 1/2 inch thick bondo over the rustout areas.The agreement was to replace them with full quarters, which he charged me12 hrs labor plus parts for each side. There was still fist-size holes in the backside of the quarters, allowing exhaust to get in. The trim was falling off and the new windshield was loose! Some of the rubber/felt seals I had waited so long to have put in were in the back seat, still in the bag! I wrote up a list of complaints and gave the guy a chance to correct the problems I had found but it was then that several people told me to get the car back because the guy was known to remove SS emblems and such to sell, or not even give your original car back! I had to find another shop fast to determine what was done/not done in order to sue the 1st guy. I was lucky to find a shop up the road from the 1st shop who was familiar with his ways and had in fact redone several classic cars for the same reason as me! One guy who got ripped off was a judge! The second shop (Reflections Automotive, Belleville, IL) was great in assisting me and even sent a mechanic with me to small claims court as an expert witness. They did 1 or 2 classic cars at a time and they were only fill-in work between insurance stuff. These guys took my 68 apart down to the frame and repaired areas that I wouldn't have thought of. Plus, they took digital pictures of the restoration as proof, and I was invited to review my car at any time! In the end, I had more things repaired/corrected than the 1st guy ever would have done. Door windows roll like new, no leaks, trunk like new, etc. Paint looks like factory and all the trim lines up and is secured and tight. There is no place I have found that was missed. So there are a few shops in my area still accepting certain types of classic restoration work, but on their terms and cost will be up there. But if you don't get the right person or shop on your classic, read the above again. You will end up in some kind of mess like I did. Steve ACES # 5494
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At 11:29 AM 03/29/2003 -0600, you wrote: To make a long story shorter, it took over a year, I had trouble finding the owner at the shop when he said he would be there, the cost ended up at over $11,000. (I had him do the interior at an interior shop, so that added about $1500.) After I finally got him to deliver the car to me, I found the quarters were original, with 1/2 inch thick bondo over the rustout areas. The agreement was to replace them with full quarters, which Sad, that's why I do all of my own work, nobody gives a Damn anymore ! I just got in a new Earls an 06 90 deg swivel connector it wouldn't swivel because they pressed in the dowel pins in to far, in the same box (from Jegs) was my AutoMeter vacuum gage that was stuck at 5 lbs.. Seems like I have a 40% chance of getting new stuff that's right. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Title: Message Great idea but the trouble is, it could be construed as slander. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dales Place My 67 SS and 67 El Camino ChevelleStuff Decoding info on 64-72 Chevelles Team 67 1967 Chevelle/El Camino Specific Midwest Chevelles Midwest Chevelle Show Information -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen LentzSent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 11:41 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] rip-off body shops You know, I'm getting tired of repeatedly getting screwed the same ways. Somebody with a web site (or someone smarter than me who knows how to build a web site ;- ) should make an "unofficial" list of good and bad shops from all over the states. I surewould haveappreciated someone telling me "Man, I wouldn't go there if I were you". It would save a lot of us guys a lot of time, money and problems. Steve -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of SteveSent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 10:29 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] rip-off body shops I waited for 6 years to save for the chance to fully restore my 1968 SS Chevelle I have owned for 26 years. In that 6 yrs., I scouted body shops to find the best to fit my requirements. I was met with statements that the shop only did insurance work, or they will never do another restoration again! But I was able to find 3 shops in the region who wanted to tackle a full restoration. I chose aguy whohad a large shop and did mostly restorations. The owner had a day job and had mechanics working the shop in the day and he worked at night. I had 3 yrs. to check out the guys work and he always seemed to know about restoration work and the problems associated with overhauling an entire classic car. I had an estimate of about $6000 for the basic work, excluding any hidden problems uncovered. He said it would take about 6 month to complete, starting in Nov 1999. To make a long story shorter, it took over a year, I had trouble finding the owner at the shop when he said he would be there, the cost ended up at over $11,000. (I had him do the interior at an interior shop, so that added about $1500.) After I finally got him to deliver the car to me, I found the quarters were original, with 1/2 inch thick bondo over the rustout areas.The agreement was to replace them with full quarters, which he charged me12 hrs labor plus parts for each side. There was still fist-size holes in the backside of the quarters, allowing exhaust to get in. The trim was falling off and the new windshield was loose! Some of the rubber/felt seals I had waited so long to have put in were in the back seat, still in the bag! I wrote up a list of complaints and gave the guy a chance to correct the problems I had found but it was then that several people told me to get the car back because the guy was known to remove SS emblems and such to sell, or not even give your original car back! I had to find another shop fast to determine what was done/not done in order to sue the 1st guy. I was lucky to find a shop up the road from the 1st shop who was familiar with his ways and had in fact redone several classic cars for the same reason as me! One guy who got ripped off was a judge! The second shop (Reflections Automotive, Belleville, IL) was great in assisting me and even sent a mechanic with me to small claims court as an expert witness. They did 1 or 2 classic cars at a time and they were only fill-in work between insurance stuff. These guys took my 68 apart down to the frame and repaired areas that I wouldn't have thought of. Plus, they took digital pictures of the restoration as proof, and I was invited to review my car at any time! In the end, I had more things repaired/corrected than the 1st guy ever would have done. Door windows roll like new, no leaks, trunk like new, etc. Paint looks like factory and all the trim lines up and is secured and tight. There is no place I have found that was missed. So there are a few shops in my area still accepting certain types of classic restoration work, but on their terms and cost will be up there. But if you don't get the right person or shop on your classic, read the above again. You will end up in some kind of mess like I did. Steve ACES # 5494
RE: [Chevelle-List] rip-off body shops
At 02:22 PM 03/29/2003 -0600, you wrote: Great idea but the trouble is, it could be construed as slander. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Yep, that's why nobody can do it, sad. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Slander 1 : the utterance of false charges or misrepresentations which defame and damage another's reputation 2 : a false and defamatory oral statement about a person If you got proof, it ain't slander. Gary Treible York, PA - Original Message - From: Dave Corgill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 3:58 PM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] rip-off body shops At 02:22 PM 03/29/2003 -0600, you wrote: Great idea but the trouble is, it could be construed as slander. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Yep, that's why nobody can do it, sad. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I dunno... I've seen sites like that aimed at webhosts... they just give the company the chance to respond to any negative comments. Here, you can suggest that this site add a section called Body Shops :) http://www.rateitall.com/ Rodney. 71 Chevelle El Mirage, AZ - Original Message - From: Dave Corgill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 1:58 PM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] rip-off body shops At 02:22 PM 03/29/2003 -0600, you wrote: Great idea but the trouble is, it could be construed as slander. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Yep, that's why nobody can do it, sad. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
