RE: [Chevelle-list] Stereo Wiring
Just FYI, I found the factory runner to go in my 69 Chevelle for $20 at www.dansgarage.net. It's a junkyard in eastern Washington that I stopped by quite awhile ago. Tons of chevelles, camaros, and elcy's. Most of them stacked on top of one another but there are a lot of spare parts. A long time ago, when everyone and there brother seemed to be looking for the '69 350 fender emblem and no one was carrying it because it was sold out, I got two originals from this place that looked brand new. Chevy & GM only - JB -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Crazy Rusty Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 5:20 PM To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Stereo Wiring Has anyone found a place to get that factory runner? I figured I would get the same runner as on the driver side and run it down the passenger side for the speaker wires... Thanks for all the info! JB -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Mountjoy Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 6:40 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Stereo Wiring Running the speaker wires down the pass side keeps them away from the power wires that run through the factory harness. The power wire (fuzed!) should run along the driver side away from the speaker wire too. Doing this helps keep the whining noise out of the stereo. It's not a requirement, but can definitely prevent future headaches! - James --- Mike Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fuses in general should be placed as close to the > power source as possible. > In this case the > closer to the battery the better. > > K0AZ > Mike Sanders 18169 Highway 174 >MT Vernon, MO 65712-9171 > Emergency Coordinator > Lawrence County Missouri > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >6 Meter DXCC #436 WAZ #27 > WAS #1094 WAC WAJD VUCC > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Dave Studly > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 9:04 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Chevelle > Mailing List > Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Stereo Wiring > > > Ditto what he said about powering the amp directly > from the battery *with > a fuse*. Also, use a good heavy gauge wire for it > (10-gauge or better if > you can). > > I don't quite understand the explanation for > running the wires down the > passenger side though, as opposed to driver's. I've > always just gone the > path of easiest-installation. Damon, can you > elaborate a little on the > passenger side thing? > > The amp should have a main power input (from the > battery) a ground, and a > remote-power-on lead. There should be a > corresponding power lead from your > head unit. (or a lead meant for a power antenna). > It's basically a > relay -- a low-power signal from the head unit to > turn the amp on, so that > you're not directly switching the main power, which > would require a > heavy-duty switch. > > If the previous owner's amp was powering 4 > speakers, putting it under the > passenger seat might not be a bad choice, since > wires would have to be run > back to the front for the front speakers, and also > shorten the length of the > main power lead and also the RCA cables with the > pre-amp signal. It might > not be the best place for airflow to keep the amp > cool, though. > > I'm no installer either, but I've wired up a few > stereos with amps and > have had good success. > > -Dave > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 9:37 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Chevelle Mailing > List > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Stereo Wiring > > > If you are going to use an amp I have always > been told that you must run > the power wire from the battery (with a fuse) and > the remote wire down the > drivers side. The ground should be has short has > possible. If you are > running front speakers, the wires should be run down > the passengers side. > Doing this cuts down on engine noise through the > speakers. I have a Sony > radio, CD changer, and 2 amps with no engine noise. > Has far has the > kickpanel speakers, I can't help you there, but hope > the rest is. I am not > an installer but I have learned a few things since I > got into car audio > years back. > > Damon > > > > - Original Message Follows - > From: "Crazy Rusty" >
RE: [Chevelle-list] Stereo Wiring
I wouldn't recomend buying a second factory wire harness to use because the wire used for power is not good for audio. It would not sound as good. Depends on how high-end your system is going to be though I guess. Doubt you will be able to find a factory style runner unless you have one custom manufactured, but you could make something that will work just as well. You could run two pair of flat speaker wire like monster cable or Rockford Fosgate, they cut the width in about half so it's less noticeable. ((But if you want to really flat, try DeCorp http://www.decorp.com/product/audio.htm I have no idea how well it would hold up in an auto environment, but it's pretty cool wire either way.)) Personally, I have never had any problems running two pair right along the door under the carpet. Just make sure it is secured around where the seat bolts in to keep it from shifting and rubbing. Good luck! - James --- Crazy Rusty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Has anyone found a place to get that factory runner? > I figured I would get > the same runner as on the driver side and run it > down the passenger side for > the speaker wires... > > Thanks for all the info! > JB > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of James Mountjoy > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 6:40 AM > To: The Chevelle Mailing List; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Stereo Wiring > > Running the speaker wires down the pass side keeps > them away from the power wires that run through the > factory harness. The power wire (fuzed!) should run > along the driver side away from the speaker wire > too. > > Doing this helps keep the whining noise out of the > stereo. It's not a requirement, but can definitely > prevent future headaches! > > - James > > --- Mike Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Fuses in general should be placed as close to the > > power source as possible. > > In this case the > > closer to the battery the better. > > > > K0AZ > > Mike Sanders 18169 Highway 174 > >MT Vernon, MO 65712-9171 > > Emergency Coordinator > > Lawrence County Missouri > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >6 Meter DXCC #436 WAZ #27 > > WAS #1094 WAC WAJD VUCC > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Behalf Of Dave Studly > > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 9:04 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Chevelle > > Mailing List > > Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Stereo Wiring > > > > > > Ditto what he said about powering the amp > directly > > from the battery *with > > a fuse*. Also, use a good heavy gauge wire for it > > (10-gauge or better if > > you can). > > > > I don't quite understand the explanation for > > running the wires down the > > passenger side though, as opposed to driver's. > I've > > always just gone the > > path of easiest-installation. Damon, can you > > elaborate a little on the > > passenger side thing? > > > > The amp should have a main power input (from the > > battery) a ground, and a > > remote-power-on lead. There should be a > > corresponding power lead from your > > head unit. (or a lead meant for a power antenna). > > > It's basically a > > relay -- a low-power signal from the head unit to > > turn the amp on, so that > > you're not directly switching the main power, > which > > would require a > > heavy-duty switch. > > > > If the previous owner's amp was powering 4 > > speakers, putting it under the > > passenger seat might not be a bad choice, since > > wires would have to be run > > back to the front for the front speakers, and also > > shorten the length of the > > main power lead and also the RCA cables with the > > pre-amp signal. It might > > not be the best place for airflow to keep the amp > > cool, though. > > > > I'm no installer either, but I've wired up a few > > stereos with amps and > > have had good success. > > > > -Dave > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Behalf Of > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 9:37 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Chevelle Mailing > > List > > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Stereo Wiring > > > > > > If yo
RE: [Chevelle-list] Stereo Wiring
Has anyone found a place to get that factory runner? I figured I would get the same runner as on the driver side and run it down the passenger side for the speaker wires... Thanks for all the info! JB -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Mountjoy Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 6:40 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Stereo Wiring Running the speaker wires down the pass side keeps them away from the power wires that run through the factory harness. The power wire (fuzed!) should run along the driver side away from the speaker wire too. Doing this helps keep the whining noise out of the stereo. It's not a requirement, but can definitely prevent future headaches! - James --- Mike Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fuses in general should be placed as close to the > power source as possible. > In this case the > closer to the battery the better. > > K0AZ > Mike Sanders 18169 Highway 174 >MT Vernon, MO 65712-9171 > Emergency Coordinator > Lawrence County Missouri > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >6 Meter DXCC #436 WAZ #27 > WAS #1094 WAC WAJD VUCC > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Dave Studly > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 9:04 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Chevelle > Mailing List > Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Stereo Wiring > > > Ditto what he said about powering the amp directly > from the battery *with > a fuse*. Also, use a good heavy gauge wire for it > (10-gauge or better if > you can). > > I don't quite understand the explanation for > running the wires down the > passenger side though, as opposed to driver's. I've > always just gone the > path of easiest-installation. Damon, can you > elaborate a little on the > passenger side thing? > > The amp should have a main power input (from the > battery) a ground, and a > remote-power-on lead. There should be a > corresponding power lead from your > head unit. (or a lead meant for a power antenna). > It's basically a > relay -- a low-power signal from the head unit to > turn the amp on, so that > you're not directly switching the main power, which > would require a > heavy-duty switch. > > If the previous owner's amp was powering 4 > speakers, putting it under the > passenger seat might not be a bad choice, since > wires would have to be run > back to the front for the front speakers, and also > shorten the length of the > main power lead and also the RCA cables with the > pre-amp signal. It might > not be the best place for airflow to keep the amp > cool, though. > > I'm no installer either, but I've wired up a few > stereos with amps and > have had good success. > > -Dave > > > -----Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 9:37 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Chevelle Mailing > List > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Stereo Wiring > > > If you are going to use an amp I have always > been told that you must run > the power wire from the battery (with a fuse) and > the remote wire down the > drivers side. The ground should be has short has > possible. If you are > running front speakers, the wires should be run down > the passengers side. > Doing this cuts down on engine noise through the > speakers. I have a Sony > radio, CD changer, and 2 amps with no engine noise. > Has far has the > kickpanel speakers, I can't help you there, but hope > the rest is. I am not > an installer but I have learned a few things since I > got into car audio > years back. > > Damon > > > > - Original Message Follows - > From: "Crazy Rusty" > To: "'The Chevelle Mailing List'" > Subject: [Chevelle-list] Stereo Wiring > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:55:04 -0700 > > > > > Whoever owned my car before me installed a > new stereo with > > a small amp under the passenger seat and a > cd changer in > > the back. I took out all the carpet so I > could get ready > > for the new stuff I am about to order and > found that the > > wiring is a complete mess. There are wires > going > > everywhere, at least one of the wires has > three splices > > and four splits. Not sure why this was done > but I am > > planning on changing it. > > >
RE: [Chevelle-list] Stereo Wiring
Running the speaker wires down the pass side keeps them away from the power wires that run through the factory harness. The power wire (fuzed!) should run along the driver side away from the speaker wire too. Doing this helps keep the whining noise out of the stereo. It's not a requirement, but can definitely prevent future headaches! - James --- Mike Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fuses in general should be placed as close to the > power source as possible. > In this case the > closer to the battery the better. > > K0AZ > Mike Sanders 18169 Highway 174 >MT Vernon, MO 65712-9171 > Emergency Coordinator > Lawrence County Missouri > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >6 Meter DXCC #436 WAZ #27 > WAS #1094 WAC WAJD VUCC > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Dave Studly > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 9:04 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Chevelle > Mailing List > Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Stereo Wiring > > > Ditto what he said about powering the amp directly > from the battery *with > a fuse*. Also, use a good heavy gauge wire for it > (10-gauge or better if > you can). > > I don't quite understand the explanation for > running the wires down the > passenger side though, as opposed to driver's. I've > always just gone the > path of easiest-installation. Damon, can you > elaborate a little on the > passenger side thing? > > The amp should have a main power input (from the > battery) a ground, and a > remote-power-on lead. There should be a > corresponding power lead from your > head unit. (or a lead meant for a power antenna). > It's basically a > relay -- a low-power signal from the head unit to > turn the amp on, so that > you're not directly switching the main power, which > would require a > heavy-duty switch. > > If the previous owner's amp was powering 4 > speakers, putting it under the > passenger seat might not be a bad choice, since > wires would have to be run > back to the front for the front speakers, and also > shorten the length of the > main power lead and also the RCA cables with the > pre-amp signal. It might > not be the best place for airflow to keep the amp > cool, though. > > I'm no installer either, but I've wired up a few > stereos with amps and > have had good success. > > -Dave > > > -----Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 9:37 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Chevelle Mailing > List > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Stereo Wiring > > > If you are going to use an amp I have always > been told that you must run > the power wire from the battery (with a fuse) and > the remote wire down the > drivers side. The ground should be has short has > possible. If you are > running front speakers, the wires should be run down > the passengers side. > Doing this cuts down on engine noise through the > speakers. I have a Sony > radio, CD changer, and 2 amps with no engine noise. > Has far has the > kickpanel speakers, I can't help you there, but hope > the rest is. I am not > an installer but I have learned a few things since I > got into car audio > years back. > > Damon > > > > - Original Message Follows - > From: "Crazy Rusty" > To: "'The Chevelle Mailing List'" > Subject: [Chevelle-list] Stereo Wiring > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:55:04 -0700 > > > > > Whoever owned my car before me installed a > new stereo with > > a small amp under the passenger seat and a > cd changer in > > the back. I took out all the carpet so I > could get ready > > for the new stuff I am about to order and > found that the > > wiring is a complete mess. There are wires > going > > everywhere, at least one of the wires has > three splices > > and four splits. Not sure why this was done > but I am > > planning on changing it. > > > > > > > > These wires (some big, some small) are all > running along > > the passenger side under the door sill > plate. All my > > other wires running to the back are in the > factory spot > > (running through some flat rubber runner) > going front to > > back in the middl
Re: [Chevelle-list] Stereo Wiring
Try going to the manufacturer of the stereo equipment on the web. Many if not all have the owners manual on their web site that you can download an print. Just print the pages you need as these can be pretty big. You may have to search for awhile but I'm sure you'll find it. I have not heard anything good about the quality of the speakers in the kick panels. The panels I heard fit good. Rich - Original Message - From: Crazy Rusty To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 6:55 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Stereo Wiring Whoever owned my car before me installed a new stereo with a small amp under the passenger seat and a cd changer in the back. I took out all the carpet so I could get ready for the new stuff I am about to order and found that the wiring is a complete mess. There are wires going everywhere, at least one of the wires has three splices and four splits. Not sure why this was done but I am planning on changing it. These wires (some big, some small) are all running along the passenger side under the door sill plate. All my other wires running to the back are in the factory spot (running through some flat rubber runner) going front to back in the middle of the drivers side. Should I route all my wires through that? I think I will just mount the amp in the back, not sure why it was mounted up front to begin with. I have seen kickpanels for sale that have speakers but I havent seen any that have speakers and astro ventilation. Anyone know where I could get those? Once again, thank you for any suggestions, JB
RE: [Chevelle-list] Stereo Wiring
Fuses in general should be placed as close to the power source as possible. In this case the closer to the battery the better. K0AZMike Sanders 18169 Highway 174 MT Vernon, MO 65712-9171 Emergency Coordinator Lawrence County Missouri [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6 Meter DXCC #436 WAZ #27 WAS #1094 WAC WAJD VUCC -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Dave StudlySent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 9:04 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Chevelle Mailing ListSubject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Stereo Wiring Ditto what he said about powering the amp directly from the battery *with a fuse*. Also, use a good heavy gauge wire for it (10-gauge or better if you can). I don't quite understand the explanation for running the wires down the passenger side though, as opposed to driver's. I've always just gone the path of easiest-installation. Damon, can you elaborate a little on the passenger side thing? The amp should have a main power input (from the battery) a ground, and a remote-power-on lead. There should be a corresponding power lead from your head unit. (or a lead meant for a power antenna). It's basically a relay -- a low-power signal from the head unit to turn the amp on, so that you're not directly switching the main power, which would require a heavy-duty switch. If the previous owner's amp was powering 4 speakers, putting it under the passenger seat might not be a bad choice, since wires would have to be run back to the front for the front speakers, and also shorten the length of the main power lead and also the RCA cables with the pre-amp signal. It might not be the best place for airflow to keep the amp cool, though. I'm no installer either, but I've wired up a few stereos with amps and have had good success. -Dave -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 9:37 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Chevelle Mailing ListSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Stereo Wiring If you are going to use an amp I have always been told that you must run the power wire from the battery (with a fuse) and the remote wire down the drivers side. The ground should be has short has possible. If you are running front speakers, the wires should be run down the passengers side. Doing this cuts down on engine noise through the speakers. I have a Sony radio, CD changer, and 2 amps with no engine noise. Has far has the kickpanel speakers, I can't help you there, but hope the rest is. I am not an installer but I have learned a few things since I got into car audio years back. Damon - Original Message Follows -From: "Crazy Rusty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "'The Chevelle Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: [Chevelle-list] Stereo WiringDate: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:55:04 -0700 > Whoever owned my car before me installed a new stereo with> a small amp under the passenger seat and a cd changer in> the back. I took out all the carpet so I could get ready> for the new stuff I am about to order and found that the> wiring is a complete mess. There are wires going> everywhere, at least one of the wires has three splices> and four splits. Not sure why this was done but I am> planning on changing it.> > > > These wires (some big, some small) are all running along> the passenger side under the door sill plate. All my> other wires running to the back are in the factory spot> (running through some flat rubber runner) going front to> back in the middle of the drivers side. Should I route> all my wires through that? I think I will just mount the> amp in the back, not sure why it was mounted up front to> begin with.> > > > I have seen kickpanels for sale that have speakers but I> haven't seen any that have speakers and astro ventilation.> Anyone know where I could get those?> > > > > > Once again, thank you for any suggestions,> > JB> >
RE: [Chevelle-list] Stereo Wiring
Ditto what he said about powering the amp directly from the battery *with a fuse*. Also, use a good heavy gauge wire for it (10-gauge or better if you can). I don't quite understand the explanation for running the wires down the passenger side though, as opposed to driver's. I've always just gone the path of easiest-installation. Damon, can you elaborate a little on the passenger side thing? The amp should have a main power input (from the battery) a ground, and a remote-power-on lead. There should be a corresponding power lead from your head unit. (or a lead meant for a power antenna). It's basically a relay -- a low-power signal from the head unit to turn the amp on, so that you're not directly switching the main power, which would require a heavy-duty switch. If the previous owner's amp was powering 4 speakers, putting it under the passenger seat might not be a bad choice, since wires would have to be run back to the front for the front speakers, and also shorten the length of the main power lead and also the RCA cables with the pre-amp signal. It might not be the best place for airflow to keep the amp cool, though. I'm no installer either, but I've wired up a few stereos with amps and have had good success. -Dave -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 9:37 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Chevelle Mailing ListSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Stereo Wiring If you are going to use an amp I have always been told that you must run the power wire from the battery (with a fuse) and the remote wire down the drivers side. The ground should be has short has possible. If you are running front speakers, the wires should be run down the passengers side. Doing this cuts down on engine noise through the speakers. I have a Sony radio, CD changer, and 2 amps with no engine noise. Has far has the kickpanel speakers, I can't help you there, but hope the rest is. I am not an installer but I have learned a few things since I got into car audio years back. Damon - Original Message Follows -From: "Crazy Rusty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "'The Chevelle Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: [Chevelle-list] Stereo WiringDate: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:55:04 -0700 > Whoever owned my car before me installed a new stereo with> a small amp under the passenger seat and a cd changer in> the back. I took out all the carpet so I could get ready> for the new stuff I am about to order and found that the> wiring is a complete mess. There are wires going> everywhere, at least one of the wires has three splices> and four splits. Not sure why this was done but I am> planning on changing it.> > > > These wires (some big, some small) are all running along> the passenger side under the door sill plate. All my> other wires running to the back are in the factory spot> (running through some flat rubber runner) going front to> back in the middle of the drivers side. Should I route> all my wires through that? I think I will just mount the> amp in the back, not sure why it was mounted up front to> begin with.> > > > I have seen kickpanels for sale that have speakers but I> haven't seen any that have speakers and astro ventilation.> Anyone know where I could get those?> > > > > > Once again, thank you for any suggestions,> > JB> >
Re: [Chevelle-list] Stereo Wiring
If you are going to use an amp I have always been told that you must run the power wire from the battery (with a fuse) and the remote wire down the drivers side. The ground should be has short has possible. If you are running front speakers, the wires should be run down the passengers side. Doing this cuts down on engine noise through the speakers. I have a Sony radio, CD changer, and 2 amps with no engine noise. Has far has the kickpanel speakers, I can't help you there, but hope the rest is. I am not an installer but I have learned a few things since I got into car audio years back. Damon - Original Message Follows -From: "Crazy Rusty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "'The Chevelle Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: [Chevelle-list] Stereo WiringDate: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 15:55:04 -0700> Whoever owned my car before me installed a new stereo with> a small amp under the passenger seat and a cd changer in> the back. I took out all the carpet so I could get ready> for the new stuff I am about to order and found that the> wiring is a complete mess. There are wires going> everywhere, at least one of the wires has three splices> and four splits. Not sure why this was done but I am> planning on changing it.> > > > These wires (some big, some small) are all running along> the passenger side under the door sill plate. All my> other wires running to the back are in the factory spot> (running through some flat rubber runner) going front to> back in the middle of the drivers side. Should I route> all my wires through that? I think I will just mount the> amp in the back, not sure why it was mounted up front to> begin with.> > > > I have seen kickpanels for sale that have speakers but I> haven't seen any that have speakers and astro ventilation.> Anyone know where I could get those?> > > > > > Once again, thank you for any suggestions,> > JB> >