RE: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb part 2

[John Nasta]

Thanks Mike. You just reminded me about what is (or can be) the secret trick
for this. Sometimes the floats get hung up and you just have to rap the side
of the carb with a couple of good shots. This is particularly common with a
brand new carb that may have been turned upside down at some point during
shipping. You can always open up the carb as well to see if the floats are
moving freely.

HTH,
John Nasta



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Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:21 PM
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Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb part 2

Have you checked the carb float level ?

Mike Wagner

RE: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb part 2

[Mike Wagner]

Have you checked the carb float level ? 

Mike Wagner


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Waller
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:52 AM
To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb part 2


I can see 3 or 4 pumps of the pedal in some cases, but I don't think I
need
more than two in any case.  I don't think I could crank the car to get
15
pumps of the gas pedal without it starting long long before I could get
that
far.

When the car has sat for a week or longer, it takes a few cranks and
pumps
of the pedal, but after sitting overnight it never needs more than one
pump,
and if sitting for a few hours it starts without a pump and in the first
revolution of the engine.

I would think a check of your fuel and spark systems would be in order
if
you need more than 3 or 4 pumps of the gas pedal to get started in all
but
the worst conditions.

When my fuel pump went out two years ago, the car started and drove just
fine, and then it flat out died in the street on the way home from work
one
day.  The pushrod was fine.  Something internal on the pump failed, but
luckily no gas ended up in the oil pan.  You might want to change the
oil
just to be safe, with starter fluid being used and the possibility of
gas
getting into the oil if the pump failed internally.

Brad Waller ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

'66 Corvette | 327/dead | 4-speed   | Wilwood Brakes | 245/45/16 BFG R1
'67 Chevelle | ex-SS396 | 355/700R4 | F-Body Brakes  | 275/40/17 Kumho
MX

> From: "Ron Malespin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> That's interesting to hear about pumping the pedal.  My 67 Malibu has 
> started doing the same thing in the last year after it sits for a few
days. 
>   It takes about 15 pumps on the gas to get it started.  I never have
any 
> running or restarting issues after that.  It starts right up with no 
> pumping until it has sat for quite awhile.
> 
>- Original Message -
> From: Dan McIntosh<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
>Looking back, it used to take only 3 or 4 pumps of the pedal to get
the

> car started, lately it has been taking 40-50 pumps, after sitting for
a
few 
> days, that is.

Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb part 2

[Ron Malespin]

Thanks for the discussion guys.  This is a great site!  I have an 
Edelbrock performer series carburetor.  Out of curiosity I called the 
Edelbrock techs.  He said that the fuel is most likely evaporating.  I 
have a hard time believing that because it didn't do it when I first got the 
car.  I have an inline filter with a movable interior that was dry after 
the car had sat for a couple days.  Is it meant to hold the fuel in the 
line when the engine is off?  If so it might just be a simple in line fuel 
filter replacement.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Shawn 
  Price 
  To: The Chevelle Mailing List 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:57 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or 
  carb part 2
  Wouldn't a worn needle and seat cause this as well? I had 
  issues with this years ago in my '56 Chevy pickup.--Shawn 
  PriceNetwork Team LeadTechnology SolutionsMorrison 
  Homes404-427-8229On Aug 2, 2005, at 12:46 PM, Clint Hooper 
  wrote:> Brian is correct. I had this same problem on my 
  Quadrajet.> Clint Hooper> H&H Custom,owner> 1969 El 
  Camino ProTourer> 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger> http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm> 
  - Original Message -> From: "Brian Knight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>>> 
  If you're running a quadrajet, there is a small seal at the filter in 
  >> the>> carb. It is meant to keep fuel to the carb when 
  not running. With >> age, it>> tends to let the gas flow 
  back to the tank and you have to pump a lot >> to> 
  get>> fuel back to the engine.>>>>   
  Brian>>>>> From: "Ron Malespin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>>>>> 
  That's interesting to hear about pumping the pedal.  My 67 Malibu 
  has>>> started doing the same thing in the last year after it 
  sits for a few> days.>>>  It takes about 15 pumps on 
  the gas to get it started.  I never have >>> 
  any>>> running or restarting issues after that.  It starts 
  right up with no>>> pumping until it has sat for quite 
  awhile.>>> Ron 
M.>>>>

RE: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb part 2

[Brad Waller]

I can see 3 or 4 pumps of the pedal in some cases, but I don't think I need
more than two in any case.  I don't think I could crank the car to get 15
pumps of the gas pedal without it starting long long before I could get that
far.

When the car has sat for a week or longer, it takes a few cranks and pumps
of the pedal, but after sitting overnight it never needs more than one pump,
and if sitting for a few hours it starts without a pump and in the first
revolution of the engine.

I would think a check of your fuel and spark systems would be in order if
you need more than 3 or 4 pumps of the gas pedal to get started in all but
the worst conditions.

When my fuel pump went out two years ago, the car started and drove just
fine, and then it flat out died in the street on the way home from work one
day.  The pushrod was fine.  Something internal on the pump failed, but
luckily no gas ended up in the oil pan.  You might want to change the oil
just to be safe, with starter fluid being used and the possibility of gas
getting into the oil if the pump failed internally.

Brad Waller ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

'66 Corvette | 327/dead | 4-speed   | Wilwood Brakes | 245/45/16 BFG R1
'67 Chevelle | ex-SS396 | 355/700R4 | F-Body Brakes  | 275/40/17 Kumho MX

> From: "Ron Malespin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> That's interesting to hear about pumping the pedal.  My 67 Malibu has 
> started doing the same thing in the last year after it sits for a few
days. 
>   It takes about 15 pumps on the gas to get it started.  I never have any 
> running or restarting issues after that.  It starts right up with no 
> pumping until it has sat for quite awhile.
> 
>- Original Message -
> From: Dan McIntosh
> 
>Looking back, it used to take only 3 or 4 pumps of the pedal to get the

> car started, lately it has been taking 40-50 pumps, after sitting for a
few 
> days, that is.

Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb part 2

[Shawn Price]

Wouldn't a worn needle and seat cause this as well? I had issues with 
this years ago in my '56 Chevy pickup.

--
Shawn Price
Network Team Lead
Technology Solutions
Morrison Homes
404-427-8229
On Aug 2, 2005, at 12:46 PM, Clint Hooper wrote:


Brian is correct. I had this same problem on my Quadrajet.
Clint Hooper
H&H Custom,owner
1969 El Camino ProTourer
2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger
http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
- Original Message -
From: "Brian Knight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


If you're running a quadrajet, there is a small seal at the filter in 
the
carb. It is meant to keep fuel to the carb when not running. With 
age, it
tends to let the gas flow back to the tank and you have to pump a lot 
to

get

fuel back to the engine.

  Brian


From: "Ron Malespin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

That's interesting to hear about pumping the pedal.  My 67 Malibu has
started doing the same thing in the last year after it sits for a few

days.
 It takes about 15 pumps on the gas to get it started.  I never have 
any

running or restarting issues after that.  It starts right up with no
pumping until it has sat for quite awhile.
Ron M.

Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb part 2

[Clint Hooper]

Brian is correct. I had this same problem on my Quadrajet.
Clint Hooper
H&H Custom,owner
1969 El Camino ProTourer
2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger
http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Knight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> If you're running a quadrajet, there is a small seal at the filter in the
> carb. It is meant to keep fuel to the carb when not running. With age, it
> tends to let the gas flow back to the tank and you have to pump a lot to
get
> fuel back to the engine.
>
>   Brian
>
> >From: "Ron Malespin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >That's interesting to hear about pumping the pedal.  My 67 Malibu has
> >started doing the same thing in the last year after it sits for a few
days.
> >  It takes about 15 pumps on the gas to get it started.  I never have any
> >running or restarting issues after that.  It starts right up with no
> >pumping until it has sat for quite awhile.
> >Ron M.

Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb part 2

[JJFlash67ss]

Dan call Apache Auto Parts on Brookpark Rd. 

Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb part 2

[Brian Knight]

If you're running a quadrajet, there is a small seal at the filter in the 
carb. It is meant to keep fuel to the carb when not running. With age, it 
tends to let the gas flow back to the tank and you have to pump a lot to get 
fuel back to the engine.


 Brian


From: "Ron Malespin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List 
To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" 
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb part 2
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 22:24:26 -0600

That's interesting to hear about pumping the pedal.  My 67 Malibu has 
started doing the same thing in the last year after it sits for a few days. 
 It takes about 15 pumps on the gas to get it started.  I never have any 
running or restarting issues after that.  It starts right up with no 
pumping until it has sat for quite awhile.


Ron M.
  - Original Message -
  From: Dan McIntosh<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: The Chevelle Mailing List<mailto:Chevelle-list@chevelles.net>
  Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 7:30 PM
  Subject: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb part 2


  Well guys,

  After school today, I removed the fuel pump from the motor, then took 
off the back plate so I could inspect the push rod.


  Everything with the pushrod looked good, and I stuck it in the hole and 
had the wife crank the motor while I pushed on it with my finger.  It moved 
back and forth following the cam lobe, about 1/2 of an inch.  Does this 
seem correct?


  While I was at it, I blew air through the "tank to pump" line, until I 
heard air bubbling in the gas tank. So I'm assuming that line is free of 
obstructions.


  Looking back, it used to take only 3 or 4 pumps of the pedal to get the 
car started, lately it has been taking 40-50 pumps, after sitting for a few 
days, that is.


  Also, nobody around here seems to stock the pump that I need, in fact, 
the young kid at Auto Zone pulled it up on his computer and then brought 
out an electric inline pump.  When I pointed to the box, and told him mine 
looked like the mechanical pump pictured, he said, "let me ask this guy" 
referring to a co-worker, who's response was, "I think that's an EGR valve"


  So I'm going to NAPA tomorrow in hopes of them having one, if they 
don't, I'll be on my way to Summit Racing for the Holley pump.





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Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:40 PM
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Dan,

Maybe your signature tag line came true.

- Hope things work out!

Krister




At 10:29 PM 7/31/2005, you wrote:

I have no clue what I screwed up this time.

Dan McIntosh
1963 Impala SS Convertible
"HOP IT TILL IT BREAKS"
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Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb part 2

[Ron Malespin]

That’s interesting to hear about pumping the pedal.  My 67 Malibu has 
started doing the same thing in the last year after it sits for a few 
days.  It takes about 15 pumps on the gas to get it started.  I never 
have any running or restarting issues after that.  It starts right up with 
no pumping until it has sat for quite awhile.
 
Ron M.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Dan McIntosh 
  To: The Chevelle Mailing List 
  Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 7:30 
  PM
  Subject: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or 
  carb part 2
  
  Well guys, 
   
  After school today, I removed the fuel pump from 
  the motor, then took off the back plate so I could inspect the push 
  rod.
   
  Everything with the pushrod looked good, and I 
  stuck it in the hole and had the wife crank the motor while I pushed on it 
  with my finger.  It moved back and forth following the cam lobe, about 
  1/2 of an inch.  Does this seem correct?
   
  While I was at it, I blew air through the "tank 
  to pump" line, until I heard air bubbling in the gas tank. So I'm assuming 
  that line is free of obstructions.
   
  Looking back, it used to take only 3 or 4 pumps 
  of the pedal to get the car started, lately it has been taking 40-50 pumps, 
  after sitting for a few days, that is.
   
  Also, nobody around here seems to stock the pump 
  that I need, in fact, the young kid at Auto Zone pulled it up on his computer 
  and then brought out an electric inline pump.  When I pointed to the box, 
  and told him mine looked like the mechanical pump pictured, he said, "let me 
  ask this guy" referring to a co-worker, who's response was, "I think that's an 
  EGR valve"
   
  So I'm going to NAPA tomorrow in hopes of them 
  having one, if they don't, I'll be on my way to Summit Racing for the Holley 
  pump.
   
   
   
   
  
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From: 
Krister Meister 
To: The Chevelle Mailing List 

Cc: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net ; 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:40 
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump 
or carb?
Dan,Maybe your signature tag line 
came true.- Hope things work 
out!KristerAt 10:29 PM 7/31/2005, you 
wrote:I have no clue what I screwed up this time.Dan 
McIntosh1963 Impala SS Convertible"HOP IT TILL IT 
BREAKS""^^" Looks like you did 
  .

Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb part 2

[Matt Wettig]

I would suggest getting the Holley 
pump. Better quality in my opinion. Just my 2 cents.
 
    
Matt

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dan 
  McIntosh 
  To: The Chevelle Mailing List 
  Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:30 
  PM
  Subject: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or 
  carb part 2
  
  Well guys, 
   
  After school today, I removed the fuel pump from 
  the motor, then took off the back plate so I could inspect the push 
  rod.
   
  Everything with the pushrod looked good, and I 
  stuck it in the hole and had the wife crank the motor while I pushed on it 
  with my finger.  It moved back and forth following the cam lobe, about 
  1/2 of an inch.  Does this seem correct?
   
  While I was at it, I blew air through the "tank 
  to pump" line, until I heard air bubbling in the gas tank. So I'm assuming 
  that line is free of obstructions.
   
  Looking back, it used to take only 3 or 4 pumps 
  of the pedal to get the car started, lately it has been taking 40-50 pumps, 
  after sitting for a few days, that is.
   
  Also, nobody around here seems to stock the pump 
  that I need, in fact, the young kid at Auto Zone pulled it up on his computer 
  and then brought out an electric inline pump.  When I pointed to the box, 
  and told him mine looked like the mechanical pump pictured, he said, "let me 
  ask this guy" referring to a co-worker, who's response was, "I think that's an 
  EGR valve"
   
  So I'm going to NAPA tomorrow in hopes of them 
  having one, if they don't, I'll be on my way to Summit Racing for the Holley 
  pump.
   
   
   
   
  
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From: 
Krister Meister 
To: The Chevelle Mailing List 

Cc: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net ; 
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Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:40 
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump 
or carb?
Dan,Maybe your signature tag line 
came true.- Hope things work 
out!KristerAt 10:29 PM 7/31/2005, you 
wrote:I have no clue what I screwed up this time.Dan 
McIntosh1963 Impala SS Convertible"HOP IT TILL IT 
BREAKS""^^" Looks like you did 
  .
  
  

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Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb part 2

[Zieg72]

Yep, the classic signs of a bad fuel pump 
alright.  The knocking you heard I bet was carbon that was knocked loose 
using starter fluid.  I had a similar noise on my 63 after using starter 
fluid, the knock went away.  

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dan 
  McIntosh 
  To: The Chevelle Mailing List 
  Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:30 
  PM
  Subject: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or 
  carb part 2
  
  Well guys, 
   
  After school today, I removed the fuel pump from 
  the motor, then took off the back plate so I could inspect the push 
  rod.
   
  Everything with the pushrod looked good, and I 
  stuck it in the hole and had the wife crank the motor while I pushed on it 
  with my finger.  It moved back and forth following the cam lobe, about 
  1/2 of an inch.  Does this seem correct?
   
  While I was at it, I blew air through the "tank 
  to pump" line, until I heard air bubbling in the gas tank. So I'm assuming 
  that line is free of obstructions.
   
  Looking back, it used to take only 3 or 4 pumps 
  of the pedal to get the car started, lately it has been taking 40-50 pumps, 
  after sitting for a few days, that is.
   
  Also, nobody around here seems to stock the pump 
  that I need, in fact, the young kid at Auto Zone pulled it up on his computer 
  and then brought out an electric inline pump.  When I pointed to the box, 
  and told him mine looked like the mechanical pump pictured, he said, "let me 
  ask this guy" referring to a co-worker, who's response was, "I think that's an 
  EGR valve"
   
  So I'm going to NAPA tomorrow in hopes of them 
  having one, if they don't, I'll be on my way to Summit Racing for the Holley 
  pump.
   
   
   
   
  
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From: 
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To: The Chevelle Mailing List 

Cc: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net ; 
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Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:40 
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump 
or carb?
Dan,Maybe your signature tag line 
came true.- Hope things work 
out!KristerAt 10:29 PM 7/31/2005, you 
wrote:I have no clue what I screwed up this time.Dan 
McIntosh1963 Impala SS Convertible"HOP IT TILL IT 
BREAKS""^^" Looks like you did 
  .
  
  

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