Re: [Chevelle-List] 66 Chevelle SS frame question
No Larry the rear tail is taperes and unique where it qwelded to the rear cross brace. The frame rail has an inside box that ends on the inside about 1/2 way between the last side body mount and the rear tail mount. The Manual deplict 148.62 Wagons/pickups and 145.35 sedans,coups conv. This is from the front frame D point. So you have to remove 3.27 in or 3 17/64 " So frist do a cut straight accross both inside and outside frame rails 3 17/64 toward the front, measured from the end of the inside tail sectionschannel. remove the inside channel from the tail rails. measure 3 17/64 on the outside rail towards the front. wizz off the channel welds an top meterial of the outside C rail. and then cut the vertial remove this peice and dress the area for welding. With the info given in the manual it's easy with a level site to make spacers to position the frame verticial from the datum line and with pipes in the body locating/positioning. holes, X measure to the newly instaled rear section for squarenessB-4 you weld. GL Wayne Wayne I - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] 66 Chevelle SS frame question Wayne: I will have to look in the shop manual. I thought the 3.17 inches could be cut right off the back? Am I not correct? Oh well it ain't happening for a while any way. Larry (z)
Re: [Chevelle-List] 66 Chevelle SS frame question
Larry. The BOP frames are interchangable with the Chevell frames but ALL ned to be shortened like the elky frame to fit. The frame under my 64 Rag is a 66 BuickGS conv frame that I cut to fit. buick used screw in A arm bushings But for the most part will work with work. - Original Message - From: Ted Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] 66 Chevelle SS frame question Larry Sounds like you're in the southern climates if they only want 500 for a convertible and 100 for an elky. Lucky man. We have to get them brought up to Canada and then they cost an arm and a leg. Its for this reason that I'm shortening an elky frame to put under my 64 convertible. Its a Beaumont sport deluxe ( canadian only model ) so is quite rare and thus worth all the bother. All running gear is std Chev. In answer to your question I got the measurements from the shop manual. While doing all my research I had fellow club members fax me in the frame diagrams from 64 thru 67 manuals ( both canadian and american versions ). All show the same dimensions ( although 1 diagram was in fractions of an inch ) Last weekend I removed the frame from an elky and am now sending it out to get sandblasted. Then plan on using POR-15 and maybe topcoat with a less glossy chassis black.n Have no experience with powder coatings. Nobody has come back with answers about whether frames from other makes such as Olds, Buick or Pontiac will also match up. I do know that I checked about 6 of them at a meet and each line has their own set of numbers. If someone had a diagram from a shop manual to fax me ( 705-258-4829 ) I'd be willing to compare. Hope this helps. Ted From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] 66 Chevelle SS frame question Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 23:45:42 EDT Ted: 3.17 exactly? wow its finally nice to hear a true number. i have been told by many it was 4 inches. I'm in the process of buying either a convertible or el camino frame for my 65. i want the convert but damn they want 500 for it and i can pick up the el camino frame for a 100. my plans are to cut it and have it powered coated (customer owns a coating company) before swapping. do you think this is a bad idea? i really don't want to do a frame swap until its finished. do you know of anywhere that shows the exact measurements? in 1970 my buddy and i bought a wrecked el camino with bad frame damage. we had a 68 chevelle frame and we cut and spliced the frame where the frame rails turned in. i wonder if we wouldnt have been better off sectioning the back half of the elkie frame onto the chevelle frame? Larry (z) _ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] 66 Chevelle SS frame question
Larry, The Exact Frame measurment are in the shop manual. It shows the frame and the body mount and frame demension from a datum line. I have cut and welded two frames . Both times I made a jig from the dim in themanual. did a stagered cut and they turned out well. Wayne. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] 66 Chevelle SS frame question Ted: 3.17 exactly? wow its finally nice to hear a true number. i have been told by many it was 4 inches. I'm in the process of buying either a convertible or el camino frame for my 65. i want the convert but damn they want 500 for it and i can pick up the el camino frame for a 100. my plans are to cut it and have it powered coated (customer owns a coating company) before swapping. do you think this is a bad idea? i really don't want to do a frame swap until its finished. do you know of anywhere that shows the exact measurements? in 1970 my buddy and i bought a wrecked el camino with bad frame damage. we had a 68 chevelle frame and we cut and spliced the frame where the frame rails turned in. i wonder if we wouldnt have been better off sectioning the back half of the elkie frame onto the chevelle frame? Larry (z)
Re: [Chevelle-List] 66 Chevelle SS frame question
Larry Sounds like you're in the southern climates if they only want 500 for a convertible and 100 for an elky. Lucky man. We have to get them brought up to Canada and then they cost an arm and a leg. Its for this reason that I'm shortening an elky frame to put under my 64 convertible. Its a Beaumont sport deluxe ( canadian only model ) so is quite rare and thus worth all the bother. All running gear is std Chev. In answer to your question I got the measurements from the shop manual. While doing all my research I had fellow club members fax me in the frame diagrams from 64 thru 67 manuals ( both canadian and american versions ). All show the same dimensions ( although 1 diagram was in fractions of an inch ) Last weekend I removed the frame from an elky and am now sending it out to get sandblasted. Then plan on using POR-15 and maybe topcoat with a less glossy chassis black.n Have no experience with powder coatings. Nobody has come back with answers about whether frames from other makes such as Olds, Buick or Pontiac will also match up. I do know that I checked about 6 of them at a meet and each line has their own set of numbers. If someone had a diagram from a shop manual to fax me ( 705-258-4829 ) I'd be willing to compare. Hope this helps. Ted From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] 66 Chevelle SS frame question Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 23:45:42 EDT Ted: 3.17 exactly? wow its finally nice to hear a true number. i have been told by many it was 4 inches. I'm in the process of buying either a convertible or el camino frame for my 65. i want the convert but damn they want 500 for it and i can pick up the el camino frame for a 100. my plans are to cut it and have it powered coated (customer owns a coating company) before swapping. do you think this is a bad idea? i really don't want to do a frame swap until its finished. do you know of anywhere that shows the exact measurements? in 1970 my buddy and i bought a wrecked el camino with bad frame damage. we had a 68 chevelle frame and we cut and spliced the frame where the frame rails turned in. i wonder if we wouldnt have been better off sectioning the back half of the elkie frame onto the chevelle frame? Larry (z) _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] 66 Chevelle SS frame question
Wayne: I will have to look in the shop manual. I thought the 3.17 inches could be cut right off the back? Am I not correct? Oh well it ain't happening for a while any way. Larry (z)
Re: [Chevelle-List] 66 Chevelle SS frame question
According to my info: Chevrolet parts by the number by Paul Herd 1964-65 chevelle except el camino or convertible #3837537 or 9773003 usage: 1964-65 chevelle, except convertible, pickup or station wagon 1964-65 convertible #3837597 usage: 1964-65 chevelle convertible 1966-67 all but el camino or convertible #3837527 usage: 1966-67 chevelle, except convertible, station wagon, or pickup 1966-67 convertible #389 usage:1966-67 chevelle convertible 1966 el camino #3895 usage:1966 El Camino or chevelle station wagon 1967 el camino #3893329 usage: 1967 elcamino or chevelle station wagon 1968-70 (this book only goes to 70 but it will work to 72) #6263666 usage: 1968-72 chevelle hardtop, coupe, or convertible except Monte Carlo; 1968-72 buick skylark hardtop, coupe, or convertible except 400 or 455 CI, 1968-72 olds cutlass coupe, hardtop, or convertible: 1968-72 Pontiac tempest/lemans coupe,hardtop or convertible except 455 CI notes: sedan has a longer frame and will not interchange 1968-72 el camino #6263665 usage 1968-72 el camino or chevelle station wagon CHEVELLES ADP Hollander 64-65-66 2dr:sdn.,h.t.,4dr sdn h.t (66) / interchange #1210A 64-66 s.w 1209B 64-66 el camino (pickup) / interchange #1209B 67 sdn h.t. / interchange #1313 67 conv. / interchange #1314 67 s.w. el camino / interchange #1458 68-72 : el camino s.w. / interchange #1941 68-72 2 dr exc. el camino / interchange #1943 68-71 4 dr. sdn h.t. / interchange #1956 72 4 dr. sdn. h.t. / interchange #1942 note B fits A using GM part #3838043 trans. support assembly (cross member) as you can see there are many differences between the two books. this was the first i heard about 64 being different than 65.i have done many chevelle swaps over the years and take many things for granted. it seems many of the ones they show not working will work will very little modifications it really wouldn't be very funny to have one all powder coated and ready to drop a body on it and find out it isn't the right one. back to the original question. if you cut close to 4 inches off that el camino frame it will work on the chevelle. Larry (z)
Re: [Chevelle-List] 66 Chevelle SS frame question
Larry, thanks for all the numbers. For the most part numbers by Paul Herd matches the GM parts catalog I have but not 100%. You'll note a discrepancy between Paul Herd and Hollander regarding 66 and 67 convertibles. I believe Hollander is correct. I've spent the last 2 years trying to find just the right frame to put under my 64 convertible. Crawled under a lot of cars and checked frame part numbers versus the GM book. So far it is bang on. As I said originally the dimensions and mounting points are all the same from 64 thru 67. The differences are the lack of a slight indent in 64 and the different spring pocket in 67. Convertibles and el caminos are boxed thru the center section and coupes and station wagons are C shaped. While the differences exist they do not preclude using any year frame under any year body. Just change the springs if using a 67 under a 64 thru 66. By the way, the part number is stamped in the left outside of the frame ahead of the rear bumper bracket attaching slots. You'll also find the manufacturer and date. The difference in length of the coupe/convertible versus the station wagon/el camino is 3.17 inches. Ted You can find the dimensions in any shop manual or factory assembly manual. The 3.xx inches I referred to last night is expressed as 3.17 inches in some diagrams and 3 3/16 in others From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] 66 Chevelle SS frame question Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 03:17:01 EDT According to my info: Chevrolet parts by the number by Paul Herd 1964-65 chevelle except el camino or convertible #3837537 or 9773003 usage: 1964-65 chevelle, except convertible, pickup or station wagon 1964-65 convertible #3837597 usage: 1964-65 chevelle convertible 1966-67 all but el camino or convertible #3837527 usage: 1966-67 chevelle, except convertible, station wagon, or pickup 1966-67 convertible #389 usage:1966-67 chevelle convertible 1966 el camino #3895 usage:1966 El Camino or chevelle station wagon 1967 el camino #3893329 usage: 1967 elcamino or chevelle station wagon 1968-70 (this book only goes to 70 but it will work to 72) #6263666 usage: 1968-72 chevelle hardtop, coupe, or convertible except Monte Carlo; 1968-72 buick skylark hardtop, coupe, or convertible except 400 or 455 CI, 1968-72 olds cutlass coupe, hardtop, or convertible: 1968-72 Pontiac tempest/lemans coupe,hardtop or convertible except 455 CI notes: sedan has a longer frame and will not interchange 1968-72 el camino #6263665 usage 1968-72 el camino or chevelle station wagon CHEVELLES ADP Hollander 64-65-66 2dr:sdn.,h.t.,4dr sdn h.t (66) / interchange #1210A 64-66 s.w 1209B 64-66 el camino (pickup) / interchange #1209B 67 sdn h.t. / interchange #1313 67 conv. / interchange #1314 67 s.w. el camino / interchange #1458 68-72 : el camino s.w. / interchange #1941 68-72 2 dr exc. el camino / interchange #1943 68-71 4 dr. sdn h.t. / interchange #1956 72 4 dr. sdn. h.t. / interchange #1942 note B fits A using GM part #3838043 trans. support assembly (cross member) as you can see there are many differences between the two books. this was the first i heard about 64 being different than 65.i have done many chevelle swaps over the years and take many things for granted. it seems many of the ones they show not working will work will very little modifications it really wouldn't be very funny to have one all powder coated and ready to drop a body on it and find out it isn't the right one. back to the original question. if you cut close to 4 inches off that el camino frame it will work on the chevelle. Larry (z) _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] 66 Chevelle SS frame question
Ted: 3.17 exactly? wow its finally nice to hear a true number. i have been told by many it was 4 inches. I'm in the process of buying either a convertible or el camino frame for my 65. i want the convert but damn they want 500 for it and i can pick up the el camino frame for a 100. my plans are to cut it and have it powered coated (customer owns a coating company) before swapping. do you think this is a bad idea? i really don't want to do a frame swap until its finished. do you know of anywhere that shows the exact measurements? in 1970 my buddy and i bought a wrecked el camino with bad frame damage. we had a 68 chevelle frame and we cut and spliced the frame where the frame rails turned in. i wonder if we wouldnt have been better off sectioning the back half of the elkie frame onto the chevelle frame? Larry (z)
Re: [Chevelle-List] 66 Chevelle SS frame question
Yes from what I heard, 1965 - 1967 Chevelles and elkys are compatible, but not 1968 and up, as the elky is 116 long, and chevelle is 112 long. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 9:20 PM Subject: [Chevelle-List] 66 Chevelle SS frame question I discovered during the dismantling process that my 66 SS took a real hard shot on the passenger side. As a result of this the frame was pushed back about 3/4 of an inch and has about a 2 1/2 inch crack in the frame at the fire wall. I have decided that since I am intending to restore this car, I would just get a new frame and start over. I had an opportunity to pick up a frame from a 66 El Camino for free. Before I start my frame up restoration, My question is this: Is the frame from a 66 El Camino compatible for a 66 Chevelle SuperSport ? Thanks Jeff - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] 66 Chevelle SS frame question
Good move on getting another frame, I am going through this with my 69, it's a nightmare car. Nothing is lining up the way it should b/c the frame is bent worse than I thought it was. Also be prepared for the body structure to be screwed up in some places when you go to put it back together. Tom
Re: [Chevelle-List] 66 Chevelle SS frame question
Chad: not completely the case. yes the el camino frame will work but you need to cut 4 inches out of the back section. also the station wagon is the same length. the convertible frame is the same length as the hardtop. the nice thing about either the el camino, station wagon or convertible is that the frame is boxed. 64-65 are the same, 66-67 are the same and 68-72 are the same. Also any other "A" body frame will work. Larry (z)
RE: [Chevelle-List] 66 Chevelle SS frame question
And the bad thing is that it's heavier. John Nasta -Original Message- the nice thing about either the el camino, station wagon or convertible is that the frame is boxed.
Re: [Chevelle-List] 66 Chevelle SS frame question
I think Larry (Z) had a Chevelle encyclopedia implanted into his head. Howelse do you explain his ability to know all this stuff? Dan McIntosh65 Malibu Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] 66 Chevelle SS frame question Chad: not completely the case. yes the el camino frame will work but you need to cut 4 inches out of the back section. also the station wagon is the same length. the convertible frame is the same length as the hardtop. the nice thing about either the el camino, station wagon or convertible is that the frame is boxed. 64-65 are the same, 66-67 are the same and 68-72 are the same. Also any other "A" body frame will work. Larry (z)
Re: [Chevelle-List] 66 Chevelle SS frame question
Dan: years and years of playing with them. But I'm not always right. I learn something new everyday. Larry (z)
Re: [Chevelle-List] 66 Chevelle SS frame question
64 frames are stand alone, 65 66 are the same and 67 are stand alone from a purity point. But all share the same measurements.They can all be made to interchange. Read on. In 65 with the addition of big blocks GM had to add a small indent into the front cross member to facilitate changing the starter without having to raise the motor. The 67 with a progressive ( tapered ) rear spring has a different top socket than the other years. Also convertibles and el caminos are boxed in the center section. Coupes and station wagons have a C shaped center section. Station wagon and El caminos are 3.xx inches longer than the coupes and convertibles. The good news is that the extra 3.xx inches is at the rear between the outside mount behind the rear axle and back cross member. So yes an el camino can be used under a coupe with only a small revision. It will be heavier but stronger. And this isn't a bad idea with some of the extra muscle some guys add. If you use a 67 under a 64 thru 66 then you must also use 67 rear springs. The convertible hutilizes more mounting points but these points are on all frames. Sorry for the long winded answer but before you rush out and buy something research it thoroughly. Research is cheaper than parts that don't fit. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] 66 Chevelle SS frame question Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:37:42 EDT Chad: not completely the case. yes the el camino frame will work but you need to cut 4 inches out of the back section. also the station wagon is the same length. the convertible frame is the same length as the hardtop. the nice thing about either the el camino, station wagon or convertible is that the frame is boxed. 64-65 are the same, 66-67 are the same and 68-72 are the same. Also any other A body frame will work. Larry (z) _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
