Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

[Larry Williams]

  
  
I agree Alex - lets talk Chevelle.

On 12/14/2010 5:13 PM, Alex LaRue wrote:

  
  
  
  
  
I just picked a number out of the air Larry. I
suspect the actual average wage is a little higher. I did a
quick search on the Mercedes plant in Alabama and see that
they have expanded twice, have more than 2,800 full time
employees now and this past fall hired 500 temps to meet the
demand. I am sure when the economy stabilizes many of them
will become permanent.  No one can argue with the fact that
more than 3,000 people are willing to work for what the
Mercedes plant pays.  I do know that the Toyota plant in KY
offers wages and benefits that are comparable to what Ford
pays in Louisville.  
 
I am tired of talking about new cars, let's talk
about old cars!  We have a couple of decent indoor shows
coming up in January  in the area.   www.NashvilleAutofest.com
 and www.BluegrassAutoExpo.com  
Check them out. Both are two day shows with tons of vendors
and a lot of nice cars on display.  Hope to see you there. 

 

  Alex LaRue
LaRue Insurance, Inc.    (800)303-3518   Fax
(866)591-7318
  P O Box 119 
  54 Lincoln Square
  Hodgenville, KY  42748   ACES  4711  
   
  www.LaRueInsurance.net  
  www.LaRueClassics.com
   
   

 

  
From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net
[mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On
  Behalf Of Larry Williams
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 7:06 PM
To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant
  

 
$600. a week is subsistence wages for a
  family.  If it wasn't for the unions we would all be making
  minimum wage in the manufacturing economy.  What was it like
  before the unions came along?  Just look at China and India
  today.  
  
  Larry
  
  On 12/14/2010 3:17 PM, Alex LaRue wrote: 
I can't speak
for the other states, however, I can speak for KY and the
Toyota plant. We all thought it was very expensive at
first.  Since it landed in KY, there have been hundreds of
suppliers either move here or start here. We have a
multitude of suppliers with Japanese names, such as Akebono,
(brakes), ASI Glass, Sumitomo, Toyotomo, Konsei, and then
there are the suppliers with American names, like Trim
Masters, Tower Automotive, Teledyne Forge, Trace Die Cast,
Dana, and those are just the ones I can name within 30 miles
of my office.  The closer you get to Lexington and
Louisville the larger the numbers get.  Don't forget about
the restaurants, gas stations, grocery stores, banks, and so
forth that always happen as a direct result of large
developments.  For every new job at that auto plant there
are probably 20 other new jobs as a result. That is why
Alabama can do what it did to get the Mercedes plant, (see
the math below).  That is what you call a dynamic and
growing economy. It dosen't matter where the money comes
from we need the private sector development to get the
economy moving again.  
 
Average wage
$15 per hour/40 hours per week/52 weeks per year = $31,200 x
1,500 jobs = $46,800,000 in wages alone. Money turns over an
average of 7 times before it leaves the area = $327 million
dollar boost to the economy every year that was not there
before.  This doesn't count the increase in property values
and taxes, profits and income taxes, sales and sales taxes,
value of benefits, etc.   All these numbers are estimates
however they illustrate the effect of economic development. 
Your state's economic development department can give you
the correct numbers for your area. Just plug them in and be
amazed.  The article below does not lie, it just doesn't
tell the whole story.  As for the cost advantages, check out
the deal Ford got for its Louisville plant to convert it
from SUVs to small cars. 
 

  Alex LaRue
LaRue Insurance, Inc.    (800)303-3518   Fax
(866)591-7318
  P O Box 119 

Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

[Alex LaRue]

I just picked a number out of the air Larry. I suspect the actual average
wage is a little higher. I did a quick search on the Mercedes plant in
Alabama and see that they have expanded twice, have more than 2,800 full
time employees now and this past fall hired 500 temps to meet the demand. I
am sure when the economy stabilizes many of them will become permanent.  No
one can argue with the fact that more than 3,000 people are willing to work
for what the Mercedes plant pays.  I do know that the Toyota plant in KY
offers wages and benefits that are comparable to what Ford pays in
Louisville.  

 

I am tired of talking about new cars, let's talk about old cars!  We
have a couple of decent indoor shows coming up in January  in the area.
www.NashvilleAutofest.com  and www.BluegrassAutoExpo.com   Check them out.
Both are two day shows with tons of vendors and a lot of nice cars on
display.  Hope to see you there.  

 

Alex LaRue
LaRue Insurance, Inc.(800)303-3518   Fax (866)591-7318
P O Box 119 

54 Lincoln Square
Hodgenville, KY  42748   ACES  4711  

 

www.LaRueInsurance.net   www.LaRueClassics.com

 

 

 

From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net
[mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Larry Williams
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 7:06 PM
To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

 

$600. a week is subsistence wages for a family.  If it wasn't for the unions
we would all be making minimum wage in the manufacturing economy.  What was
it like before the unions came along?  Just look at China and India today.  

Larry

On 12/14/2010 3:17 PM, Alex LaRue wrote: 

I can't speak for the other states, however, I can speak for KY and the
Toyota plant. We all thought it was very expensive at first.  Since it
landed in KY, there have been hundreds of suppliers either move here or
start here. We have a multitude of suppliers with Japanese names, such as
Akebono, (brakes), ASI Glass, Sumitomo, Toyotomo, Konsei, and then there are
the suppliers with American names, like Trim Masters, Tower Automotive,
Teledyne Forge, Trace Die Cast, Dana, and those are just the ones I can name
within 30 miles of my office.  The closer you get to Lexington and
Louisville the larger the numbers get.  Don't forget about the restaurants,
gas stations, grocery stores, banks, and so forth that always happen as a
direct result of large developments.  For every new job at that auto plant
there are probably 20 other new jobs as a result. That is why Alabama can do
what it did to get the Mercedes plant, (see the math below).  That is what
you call a dynamic and growing economy. It dosen't matter where the money
comes from we need the private sector development to get the economy moving
again.  

 

Average wage $15 per hour/40 hours per week/52 weeks per year = $31,200 x
1,500 jobs = $46,800,000 in wages alone. Money turns over an average of 7
times before it leaves the area = $327 million dollar boost to the economy
every year that was not there before.  This doesn't count the increase in
property values and taxes, profits and income taxes, sales and sales taxes,
value of benefits, etc.   All these numbers are estimates however they
illustrate the effect of economic development.  Your state's economic
development department can give you the correct numbers for your area. Just
plug them in and be amazed.  The article below does not lie, it just doesn't
tell the whole story.  As for the cost advantages, check out the deal Ford
got for its Louisville plant to convert it from SUVs to small cars. 

 

Alex LaRue
LaRue Insurance, Inc.(800)303-3518   Fax (866)591-7318
P O Box 119 

54 Lincoln Square
Hodgenville, KY  42748   ACES  4711  

 

www.LaRueInsurance.net   www.LaRueClassics.com

 

 

 

From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net
[mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Malibu
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:50 PM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

 

Do You Know
Where Your Car is Made?


Listed below are 75 American-made automobiles. Each vehicle listed is built
with union labor. But regardless of how you may feel about the labor
movement in general, the fact remains that foreign automakers producing in
the U.S. predominantly assemble their automobiles in low-wage states like
Alabama and Kentucky, where American-owned automakers (Ford and General
Motors) predominantly produce in high-wage union states like Michigan. 

This author has nothing against any state in our great country. We are all
part of America and deserve jobs just like anyone else. The point I am
trying to make is that this is one of many relatively unknown facts that
give foreign-owned automakers huge cost advantages over American-owned
automakers. Consider the following: 

In 1997, the state of Alabama granted huge subsidies to Mercedes in exchange
for a plant t

Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

[Jim Thompson]

I am retired from Local 400 UFCW because of Wal Mart our contracts have been
gutted. The industry is stronger than ever and Union membership is at an all
time high. The high caliper employee the industry attracted in the past has
moved on. The industry has settled for lower quality in employment and
standards. 

 

From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net
[mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of
rparuszkiew...@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 12:01 PM
To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

 

I beg to differ, We been doing this in Lansing, Michigan for 11 years now.
And were proud UAW members. If our jobs leave this country yours will soon
follow.

 

Ron Paruszkiewicz

 

-Original Message-
From: Bill Vander Werf 
To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' 
Sent: Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:27 am
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

The jobs went away because of the UAW. Unions were a good thing at their
inception, but they have completely outlived their usefulness.

 

As a business owner, I understand that you need to constantly cut costs to
be competitive. In manufacturing, labor is a huge part of the cost of
production. Labor costs have to be passed on to the consumer.

 

Union greed and an ever-increasing entitlement mentality are the things
killing manufacturing in this country, not the manufacturers or the
government.

 

Bill Vander Werf

 

  _  

From:  <mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net>
chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [
<mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net?>
mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Terry S Hodges
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 8:20 PM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

 

Toyota's are built in Georgetown Ky

Nissan's are built in Smyrna Tn

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Dan Rachlin < <mailto:rodi...@gmail.com>
rodi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Strange how "Buy American" now means Toyota's that are built in Tennessee.??

 

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Rich Pruett <
<mailto:busted_knuck...@comcast.net> busted_knuck...@comcast.net> wrote:



This is fascinating. If you watch, listen to the very last couple of
sentences.

This is a short video of a new Ford plant in Brazil . One look at this 
and you will be able to understand why there will probably never be another
assembly plant built in the USA.
It will also point out why more assembly plants will go offshore.
You won't doubt that Ford, GM, and Chrysler are destined to go under,
after watching this video.
They will survive, but their assembly operations in the U.S. likely 
won't, whether we have provided a bailout or not 

 

(listen closely at the end for the reason why ).


  <http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189>
http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189

And we wonder where the jobs go. This should help with the
explanation!

 

Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

[Jim Thompson]

The slice of the pie was paid for by cutting back on investment in those
areas you say the industry failed to deliver. Unions protect jobs over
innovation "feather bedding" so when Japan and Korea were improving fit and
finish with robotics we were keeping 40 year old plants running building
outdated models. 

 

From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net
[mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Peter Hnat
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 12:26 PM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

 

I do not understand why everyone always points the finger at the union work
for the decline of the auto industry. The union workers only ask for their
"slice of the pie", so they can provide a good living for their families.
After all, it is upper and middle management that directs what products will
be, designs them, and sets the direction the company will take. If they
design junk, the union workers just assemble the product as designed. Funny,
I never hear about management's big salaries and their large bonuses they
get regardless of how their company does. Bonuses should be tied to the
performance of the company. Management needs to set the example and be
honest. Also the dealer's service department plays an important part. If
they don't provide good service (several trips to fix the same problem and
charge the customer each time) the customer will go elsewhere. Service will
always sell not matter what the industry is.

 

 

Pete Hnat

 

From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net
[mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of
rparuszkiew...@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 12:01 PM
To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

 

I beg to differ, We been doing this in Lansing, Michigan for 11 years now.
And were proud UAW members. If our jobs leave this country yours will soon
follow.

 

Ron Paruszkiewicz

 

-Original Message-
From: Bill Vander Werf 
To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' 
Sent: Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:27 am
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

The jobs went away because of the UAW. Unions were a good thing at their
inception, but they have completely outlived their usefulness.

 

As a business owner, I understand that you need to constantly cut costs to
be competitive. In manufacturing, labor is a huge part of the cost of
production. Labor costs have to be passed on to the consumer.

 

Union greed and an ever-increasing entitlement mentality are the things
killing manufacturing in this country, not the manufacturers or the
government.

 

Bill Vander Werf

 

  _  

From:  <mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net>
chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [
<mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net?>
mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Terry S Hodges
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 8:20 PM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

 

Toyota's are built in Georgetown Ky

Nissan's are built in Smyrna Tn

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Dan Rachlin < <mailto:rodi...@gmail.com>
rodi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Strange how "Buy American" now means Toyota's that are built in Tennessee.??

 

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Rich Pruett <
<mailto:busted_knuck...@comcast.net> busted_knuck...@comcast.net> wrote:



This is fascinating. If you watch, listen to the very last couple of
sentences.

This is a short video of a new Ford plant in Brazil . One look at this 
and you will be able to understand why there will probably never be another
assembly plant built in the USA.
It will also point out why more assembly plants will go offshore.
You won't doubt that Ford, GM, and Chrysler are destined to go under,
after watching this video.
They will survive, but their assembly operations in the U.S. likely 
won't, whether we have provided a bailout or not 

 

(listen closely at the end for the reason why ).


  <http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189>
http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189

And we wonder where the jobs go. This should help with the
explanation!

 

Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

[Larry Williams]

  
  
$600. a week is subsistence wages for a family.  If it wasn't for
the unions we would all be making minimum wage in the manufacturing
economy.  What was it like before the unions came along?  Just look
at China and India today.  

Larry

On 12/14/2010 3:17 PM, Alex LaRue wrote:

  
  
  
  
  
I can't speak for the other states, however, I
can speak for KY and the Toyota plant. We all thought it was
very expensive at first.  Since it landed in KY, there have
been hundreds of suppliers either move here or start here.
We have a multitude of suppliers with Japanese names, such
as Akebono, (brakes), ASI Glass, Sumitomo, Toyotomo, Konsei,
and then there are the suppliers with American names, like
Trim Masters, Tower Automotive, Teledyne Forge, Trace Die
Cast, Dana, and those are just the ones I can name within 30
miles of my office.  The closer you get to Lexington and
Louisville the larger the numbers get.  Don't forget about
the restaurants, gas stations, grocery stores, banks, and so
forth that always happen as a direct result of large
developments.  For every new job at that auto plant there
are probably 20 other new jobs as a result. That is why
Alabama can do what it did to get the Mercedes plant, (see
the math below).  That is what you call a dynamic and
growing economy. It dosen't matter where the money comes
from we need the private sector development to get the
economy moving again.  
 
Average wage $15 per hour/40 hours per week/52
weeks per year = $31,200 x 1,500 jobs = $46,800,000 in wages
alone. Money turns over an average of 7 times before it
leaves the area = $327 million dollar boost to the economy
every year that was not there before.  This doesn't count
the increase in property values and taxes, profits and
income taxes, sales and sales taxes, value of benefits, etc.
  All these numbers are estimates however they illustrate
the effect of economic development.  Your state's economic
development department can give you the correct numbers for
your area. Just plug them in and be amazed.  The article
below does not lie, it just doesn't tell the whole story.
 As for the cost advantages, check out the deal Ford got for
its Louisville plant to convert it from SUVs to small cars.

 

  Alex LaRue
LaRue Insurance, Inc.    (800)303-3518   Fax
(866)591-7318
  P O Box 119 
  54 Lincoln Square
  Hodgenville, KY  42748   ACES  4711  
   
  www.LaRueInsurance.net  
  www.LaRueClassics.com
   
   

 

  
From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net
[mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On
  Behalf Of Malibu
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:50 PM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
            Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant
  

 
Do You Know
  Where Your Car is Made?
  
Listed
below are 75 American-made automobiles. Each vehicle listed
is built with union labor. But regardless of how you may
feel about the labor movement in general, the fact remains
that foreign automakers producing in the U.S. predominantly
assemble their automobiles in low-wage states like Alabama
and Kentucky, where American-owned automakers (Ford and
General Motors) predominantly produce in high-wage union
states like Michigan. 
This author has
nothing against any state in our great country. We are all
part of America and deserve jobs just like anyone else. The
point I am trying to make is that this is one of many
relatively unknown facts that give foreign-owned automakers
huge cost advantages over American-owned automakers.
Consider the following: 
In 1997, the state
of Alabama granted huge subsidies to Mercedes in exchange
for a plant that would employ 1,500 people. What were the
details of this huge incentive package? $300 million in tax
breaks, $253 million in direct incentives, $60 million in
Alabama taxpayer money to send fellow Alabamans to Germany
for training, and a promise to buy 2,500 of the new Mercedes
SUV’s at $30,

Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

[Jim Thompson]

Look at every Union industry that relies on Federal support they all fail to 
reinvent themselves to be competitive. 

 

Railroads, steel, autos, shipping, etc.  

 

From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net 
[mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Rich Pruett
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 5:10 PM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

 



This is fascinating. If you watch, listen to the very last couple of
sentences.

This is a short video of a new Ford plant in Brazil . One look at this 
and you will be able to understand why there will probably never be another
assembly plant built in the USA.
It will also point out why more assembly plants will go offshore.
You won't doubt that Ford, GM, and Chrysler are destined to go under,
after watching this video.
They will survive, but their assembly operations in the U.S. likely 
won't, whether we have provided a bailout or not 

 

(listen closely at the end for the reason why ).


   
http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189

And we wonder where the jobs go. This should help with the
explanation!

 The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are 
willing to work and give to those who would not. 

--- Thomas Jefferson

"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of 
freedom.  What one person receives without working for, another person must 
work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that 
the government does not first take from somebody else.  When half of the people 
get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to 
take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good 
to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear 
friend, is about the end of any nation.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it." 
 
~ The late Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931 -  2005 ~

Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

[Alex LaRue]

I can't speak for the other states, however, I can speak for KY and the
Toyota plant. We all thought it was very expensive at first.  Since it
landed in KY, there have been hundreds of suppliers either move here or
start here. We have a multitude of suppliers with Japanese names, such as
Akebono, (brakes), ASI Glass, Sumitomo, Toyotomo, Konsei, and then there are
the suppliers with American names, like Trim Masters, Tower Automotive,
Teledyne Forge, Trace Die Cast, Dana, and those are just the ones I can name
within 30 miles of my office.  The closer you get to Lexington and
Louisville the larger the numbers get.  Don't forget about the restaurants,
gas stations, grocery stores, banks, and so forth that always happen as a
direct result of large developments.  For every new job at that auto plant
there are probably 20 other new jobs as a result. That is why Alabama can do
what it did to get the Mercedes plant, (see the math below).  That is what
you call a dynamic and growing economy. It dosen't matter where the money
comes from we need the private sector development to get the economy moving
again.  

 

Average wage $15 per hour/40 hours per week/52 weeks per year = $31,200 x
1,500 jobs = $46,800,000 in wages alone. Money turns over an average of 7
times before it leaves the area = $327 million dollar boost to the economy
every year that was not there before.  This doesn't count the increase in
property values and taxes, profits and income taxes, sales and sales taxes,
value of benefits, etc.   All these numbers are estimates however they
illustrate the effect of economic development.  Your state's economic
development department can give you the correct numbers for your area. Just
plug them in and be amazed.  The article below does not lie, it just doesn't
tell the whole story.  As for the cost advantages, check out the deal Ford
got for its Louisville plant to convert it from SUVs to small cars. 

 

Alex LaRue
LaRue Insurance, Inc.(800)303-3518   Fax (866)591-7318
P O Box 119 

54 Lincoln Square
Hodgenville, KY  42748   ACES  4711  

 

www.LaRueInsurance.net   www.LaRueClassics.com

 

 

 

From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net
[mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Malibu
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:50 PM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

 

Do You Know
Where Your Car is Made?


Listed below are 75 American-made automobiles. Each vehicle listed is built
with union labor. But regardless of how you may feel about the labor
movement in general, the fact remains that foreign automakers producing in
the U.S. predominantly assemble their automobiles in low-wage states like
Alabama and Kentucky, where American-owned automakers (Ford and General
Motors) predominantly produce in high-wage union states like Michigan. 

This author has nothing against any state in our great country. We are all
part of America and deserve jobs just like anyone else. The point I am
trying to make is that this is one of many relatively unknown facts that
give foreign-owned automakers huge cost advantages over American-owned
automakers. Consider the following: 

In 1997, the state of Alabama granted huge subsidies to Mercedes in exchange
for a plant that would employ 1,500 people. What were the details of this
huge incentive package? $300 million in tax breaks, $253 million in direct
incentives, $60 million in Alabama taxpayer money to send fellow Alabamans
to Germany for training, and a promise to buy 2,500 of the new Mercedes
SUV's at $30,000 each. Based on just the initial $300 million grant alone,
those 1,500 jobs will cost Alabama taxpayers $200,000 per job. Apparently
Alabama, not Mercedes, will be paying those salaries for years to come. With
deals like these, it's no wonder foreign automakers have stepped up
production in the U.S. We'll even pay their workers' salaries for them! 

In 1987, Toyota constructed an auto plant on part of the 1,500 acres of free
land given to them in Georgetown, Kentucky. The auto plant was built by a
Japanese steel company using Japanese steel. The U.S. government granted a
"special trade zone" so that Toyota could import auto parts from Japan
duty-free. Financing was handled by Mitsui Bank of Japan. Total federal and
state grants and incentives exceeded $100 million. These subsidies, of
course, were courtesy of your tax dollars. 

Tennessee gave Nissan $11,000 per job for their Smyrna plant built in 1980.
South Carolina coughed up $79,000 per job to convince Germany's BMW to build
their plant in Spartanburg in 1992. Were you aware that our government was
using your money to create jobs? Or are these merely job announcements where
you and I foot the bill? Job announcements do make for great rhetoric for
state governors' re-election campaigns. How many years will it take a
factory worker in Alabama to pay back the $200,000+ in t

Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

[Malibu]

  
  
Do You Know
  Where Your Car is Made?
  

  
Listed below are 75 American-made
automobiles. Each vehicle listed is built with union labor. But
regardless of how you may feel about the labor movement in
general, the fact remains that foreign automakers producing in
the U.S. predominantly assemble their automobiles in low-wage
states like Alabama and Kentucky, where American-owned
automakers (Ford and General Motors) predominantly produce in
high-wage union states like Michigan. 
 This author has nothing against any
state in our great country. We are all part of America and
deserve jobs just like anyone else. The point I am trying to
make is that this is one of many relatively unknown facts that
give foreign-owned automakers huge cost advantages over
American-owned automakers. Consider the following: 
 In 1997, the state of Alabama granted
huge subsidies to Mercedes in exchange for a plant that would
employ 1,500 people. What were the details of this huge
incentive package? $300 million in tax breaks, $253 million in
direct incentives, $60 million in Alabama taxpayer money to send
fellow Alabamans to Germany for training, and a promise to buy
2,500 of the new Mercedes SUV’s at $30,000 each. Based on just
the initial $300 million grant alone, those 1,500 jobs will cost
Alabama taxpayers $200,000 per job. Apparently Alabama, not
Mercedes, will be paying those salaries for years to come. With
deals like these, it’s no wonder foreign automakers have stepped
up production in the U.S. We’ll even pay their workers’ salaries
for them! 
In 1987, Toyota constructed an auto plant
on part of the 1,500 acres of free land given to them in
Georgetown, Kentucky. The auto plant was built by a Japanese
steel company using Japanese steel. The U.S. government granted
a “special trade zone” so that Toyota could import auto parts
from Japan duty-free. Financing was handled by Mitsui Bank of
Japan. Total federal and state grants and incentives exceeded
$100 million. These subsidies, of course, were courtesy of your
tax dollars. 
Tennessee gave Nissan $11,000 per job for
their Smyrna plant built in 1980. South Carolina coughed up
$79,000 per job to convince Germany’s BMW to build their plant
in Spartanburg in 1992. Were you aware that our government was
using your money to create jobs? Or are these merely job
announcements where you and I foot the bill? Job announcements
do make for great rhetoric for state governors’ re-election
campaigns. How many years will it take a factory worker in
Alabama to pay back the $200,000+ in tax money that the
government gave away? A conservative answer would be “several.”
  
This is not to say that American
companies are not granted incentives to build plants here. The
most recent is $100 million in incentives for Cadillac to build
their next plant in Michigan. It is my opinion that we should
not be imitating the Third World by using public money to bid
for jobs. But when given the choice between foreign investment
(Toyota, Mercedes, Nissan) and American investment (General
Motors and Ford), American investment is much better for
America. 
The deal Alabama gave Mercedes makes the
deal Michigan gave GM seem rather frugal. The point here is that
these huge incentives that are offered to foreign companies are
rarely offered to our own companies here at home. Such
incentives allow foreign companies to save hundreds or even
thousands of dollars in costs per automobile. And American
companies acquire more of their parts from domestic sources, so
more jobs are created in the automotive parts industry in
America. 
America needs more American investment, not
  more foreign investment.
  Click this link and see how fair the Fair Trade Agreement is.
  http://overthehillcarpeople.com/why_we_should_buy_vehicles_from.htm

On 12/13/2010 10:15 PM, Bill Lessenberry wrote:
BMW's are made in Spartanburg, SC
  
  Nissan trucks in Canton, Mississippi
  
  VW's are built in Chattanooga, TN
  
  Honda's are built in Ohio, Alabama, and Indiana
  
  
  It's a global economy.  GM and Ford have plants all over the
  world, too.
  
  BillL
  
  
  
  At 07:19 PM 12/13/2010, you wrote:
  
  Toyota's are built in Georgetown Ky

Nissan's are built in Smyrna Tn

  
  

  

Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

[Chum Nault]

They are assembled not built, check the content on their window labels. It
isn't just the big plants its all the parts suppliers big and small, union
and non union that go into building our economy. The American manufactures
use American suppliers, American engineers, American designers, this is what
our economy needs not foreign assembly plants.

 

Chum Nault 

 

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From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net
[mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Terry S Hodges
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 7:20 PM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

 

Toyota's are built in Georgetown Ky

Nissan's are built in Smyrna Tn

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Dan Rachlin  wrote:

Strange how "Buy American" now means Toyota's that are built in Tennessee.??

 

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Rich Pruett 
wrote:



This is fascinating. If you watch, listen to the very last couple of
sentences.

This is a short video of a new Ford plant in Brazil . One look at this 
and you will be able to understand why there will probably never be another
assembly plant built in the USA.
It will also point out why more assembly plants will go offshore.
You won't doubt that Ford, GM, and Chrysler are destined to go under,
after watching this video.
They will survive, but their assembly operations in the U.S. likely 
won't, whether we have provided a bailout or not 

 

(listen closely at the end for the reason why ).


  <http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189>
http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189

And we wonder where the jobs go. This should help with the
explanation!

 The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are
willing to work and give to those who would not. 

--- Thomas Jefferson

"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out
of freedom.  What one person receives without working for, another person
must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody
anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.  When
half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the
other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the
idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what
they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it." 
 
~ The late Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931 -  2005 ~

 

 

Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

[Mike Pell]

I'd take that chance..   The jobs won't leave.  In fact, I'd argue
that without the all-powerful unions, we'd have more competitive
products, which would mean more sales, which would mean more jobs.   

rparuszkiew...@aol.com wrote:
I beg to
differ, We been doing this in Lansing, Michigan for 11 years now. And
were proud UAW members. If our jobs leave this country yours will soon
follow.
  
  
  
  
  
  Ron Paruszkiewicz
  
  
  -Original
Message-
From: Bill Vander Werf 
To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' 
Sent: Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:27 am
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant
  
  
  
  
  The jobs
went away because of the UAW. Unions were a good thing at their
inception, but they have completely outlived their usefulness.
   
  As a
business owner, I understand that you need to constantly cut costs to
be competitive. In manufacturing, labor is a huge part of the cost of
production. Labor costs have to be passed on to the consumer.
   
  Union greed
and an ever-increasing entitlement mentality are the things killing
manufacturing in this country, not the manufacturers or the government.
   
  Bill Vander
Werf
   
  
  
  
  From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net
[mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net]
  On Behalf Of Terry S
Hodges
  Sent: Monday, December
13, 2010 8:20 PM
  To: The Chevelle
Mailing List
  Subject: Re:
[Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant
  
   
  Toyota's are built in
Georgetown Ky
  
  Nissan's
are built in Smyrna Tn
  
  On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Dan Rachlin
<rodi...@gmail.com> wrote:
  Strange how "Buy American" now means Toyota's
that are built in Tennessee.??
  
  
   
  
  On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Rich Pruett
<busted_knuck...@comcast.net>
wrote:
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

  





This is fascinating. If you watch, listen to the very last couple of
sentences.

This is a short video of a new Ford plant in Brazil . One look at
this 
and you
will be able to understand why there will probably never be another
assembly plant built in the USA.
It will also point out why more assembly plants will go offshore.
You won't doubt that Ford, GM, and Chrysler are destined to go under,
after watching this video.
They will survive, but their assembly operations in the U.S. likely 
won't, whether
we have provided a bailout or not 
 
(listen
closely at the end for the reason why ).


 http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189

And we wonder where the jobs go. This should help with the
explanation!




  

  
  
  
  
  
   
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  
  
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Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

[66chevelless396]

It's just not the Automotive Unions, it's every union that "wants a piece of 
the pie".  What employer can you go to - demand a certain wage, demand a 
certain pay increase of X years, dictate what you will pay for insurance and 
negotiate until you get want you think is still fair and get a gauranntee in 
writing for it - none except for a union job. And on top of it if you don't get 
it - you walk off the job.  Unfortunately business is what keeps things moving 
and cash moving.  I'd like to see a business person go to their boss today and 
say "I want in writing to get a 10% pay raise over the next 4 years, I'll pay 
this for insurance and this is what I want my wage to be".  There's the door. 




- Original Message - 
From: "Peter Hnat"  
To: "The Chevelle Mailing List"  
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 11:25:57 AM 
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant 




I do not understand why everyone always points the finger at the union work for 
the decline of the auto industry. The union workers only ask for their “slice 
of the pie”, so they can provide a good living for their families. After all, 
it is upper and middle management that directs what products will be, designs 
them, and sets the direction the company will take. If they design junk, the 
union workers just assemble the product as designed. Funny, I never hear about 
management’s big salaries and their large bonuses they get regardless of how 
their company does. Bonuses should be tied to the performance of the company. 
Management needs to set the example and be honest. Also the dealer’s service 
department plays an important part. If they don’t provide good service (several 
trips to fix the same problem and charge the customer each time) the customer 
will go elsewhere. Service will always sell not matter what the industry is. 





Pete Hnat 



From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net 
[mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of 
rparuszkiew...@aol.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 12:01 PM 
To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net 
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant 



I beg to differ, We been doing this in Lansing, Michigan for 11 years now. And 
were proud UAW members. If our jobs leave this country yours will soon follow. 




Ron Paruszkiewicz 




-Original Message- 
From: Bill Vander Werf  
To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List'  
Sent: Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:27 am 
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant 




The jobs went away because of the UAW. Unions were a good thing at their 
inception, but they have completely outlived their usefulness. 





As a business owner, I understand that you need to constantly cut costs to be 
competitive. In manufacturing, labor is a huge part of the cost of production. 
Labor costs have to be passed on to the consumer. 





Union greed and an ever-increasing entitlement mentality are the things killing 
manufacturing in this country, not the manufacturers or the government. 





Bill Vander Werf 








From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [ 
mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net ] On Behalf Of Terry S Hodges 
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 8:20 PM 
To: The Chevelle Mailing List 
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant 





Toyota 's are built in Georgetown Ky 



Nissan's are built in Smyrna Tn 



On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Dan Rachlin < rodi...@gmail.com > wrote: 


Strange how "Buy American" now means Toyota's that are built in Tennessee.?? 








On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Rich Pruett < busted_knuck...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 















This is fascinating. If you watch, listen to the very last couple of 
sentences. 

This is a short video of a new Ford plant in Brazil . One look at this 
and you will be able to understand why there will probably never be another 
assembly plant built in the USA. 
It will also point out why more assembly plants will go offshore. 
You won't doubt that Ford, GM, and Chrysler are destined to go under, 
after watching this video. 
They will survive, but their assembly operations in the U.S. likely 
won't, whether we have provided a bailout or not 





(listen closely at the end for the reason why ). 


  http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189 

And we wonder where the jobs go. This should help with the 
explanation! 

Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

[Peter Hnat]

I do not understand why everyone always points the finger at the union work for 
the decline of the auto industry. The union workers only ask for their "slice 
of the pie", so they can provide a good living for their families. After all, 
it is upper and middle management that directs what products will be, designs 
them, and sets the direction the company will take. If they design junk, the 
union workers just assemble the product as designed. Funny, I never hear about 
management's big salaries and their large bonuses they get regardless of how 
their company does. Bonuses should be tied to the performance of the company. 
Management needs to set the example and be honest. Also the dealer's service 
department plays an important part. If they don't provide good service (several 
trips to fix the same problem and charge the customer each time) the customer 
will go elsewhere. Service will always sell not matter what the industry is.


Pete Hnat

From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net 
[mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of rparuszkiew...@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 12:01 PM
To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

I beg to differ, We been doing this in Lansing, Michigan for 11 years now. And 
were proud UAW members. If our jobs leave this country yours will soon follow.

Ron Paruszkiewicz

-Original Message-
From: Bill Vander Werf 
To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' 
Sent: Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:27 am
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant
The jobs went away because of the UAW. Unions were a good thing at their 
inception, but they have completely outlived their usefulness.

As a business owner, I understand that you need to constantly cut costs to be 
competitive. In manufacturing, labor is a huge part of the cost of production. 
Labor costs have to be passed on to the consumer.

Union greed and an ever-increasing entitlement mentality are the things killing 
manufacturing in this country, not the manufacturers or the government.

Bill Vander Werf


From: 
chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net<mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net> 
[mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net<mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net?>]
 On Behalf Of Terry S Hodges
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 8:20 PM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

Toyota's are built in Georgetown Ky
Nissan's are built in Smyrna Tn
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Dan Rachlin 
mailto:rodi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Strange how "Buy American" now means Toyota's that are built in Tennessee.??

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Rich Pruett 
mailto:busted_knuck...@comcast.net>> wrote:

This is fascinating. If you watch, listen to the very last couple of
sentences.

This is a short video of a new Ford plant in Brazil . One look at this
and you will be able to understand why there will probably never be another
assembly plant built in the USA.
It will also point out why more assembly plants will go offshore.
You won't doubt that Ford, GM, and Chrysler are destined to go under,
after watching this video.
They will survive, but their assembly operations in the U.S. likely
won't, whether we have provided a bailout or not

(listen closely at the end for the reason why ).


 http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189

And we wonder where the jobs go. This should help with the
explanation!

Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

[rparuszkiewicz]

I beg to differ, We been doing this in Lansing, Michigan for 11 years now. And 
were proud UAW members. If our jobs leave this country yours will soon follow.





Ron Paruszkiewicz



-Original Message-
From: Bill Vander Werf 
To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' 
Sent: Tue, Dec 14, 2010 8:27 am
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant



The jobs went away because of the UAW. Unions were a good thing at their 
inception, but they have completely outlived their usefulness.
 
As a business owner, I understand that you need to constantly cut costs to be 
competitive. In manufacturing, labor is a huge part of the cost of production. 
Labor costs have to be passed on to the consumer.
 
Union greed and an ever-increasing entitlement mentality are the things killing 
manufacturing in this country, not the manufacturers or the government.
 
Bill Vander Werf
 


From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net 
[mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Terry S Hodges
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 8:20 PM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

 
Toyota's are built in Georgetown Ky

Nissan's are built in Smyrna Tn

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Dan Rachlin  wrote:
Strange how "Buy American" now means Toyota's that are built in Tennessee.??

 

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Rich Pruett  
wrote:









This is fascinating. If you watch, listen to the very last couple of
sentences.

This is a short video of a new Ford plant in Brazil . One look at this 
and you will be able to understand why there will probably never be another
assembly plant built in the USA.
It will also point out why more assembly plants will go offshore.
You won't doubt that Ford, GM, and Chrysler are destined to go under,
after watching this video.
They will survive, but their assembly operations in the U.S. likely 
won't, whether we have provided a bailout or not 
 
(listen closely at the end for the reason why ).


 http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189

And we wonder where the jobs go. This should help with the
explanation!






 

Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

[Chum Nault]

I have worked in a GM dealership for over 40 years and been the general
Manager for the last 20 so I have watched this situation with great personal
interest. The problems with the American Manufactures shouldn't all be
blamed on the unions, management gave them those contracts knowing that they
were just postponing disaster. In 2007/2008 disaster struck in the form of
an economic crisis that cut vehicle sales and the snowball effect started.
Although the new contracts have some negative effects on the existing UAW
worker, it is a whole new ball game with the new hires and the big 3 can be
completive with anyone going forward. If you look at some of the new
vehicles we are producing, the Equinox and the Cruze, these are great
vehicles at completive prices. GM dealers have never had a compact car that
could go head to head with anyone like the Cruze. I believe the American
automotive industry is on the upswing and that they can compete with anyone.
At the dealership level we sold more Cruzes last month than Cobalts in the
last 2 years. 

 I hope I am right because without a strong manufacturing base our economy
will never totally rebound. We need to keep pounding that message to our
politicians and business leaders to do everything they can do to create
manufacturing in this country and reverse the last 30 years of so called
"free trade".  

 

Chum Nault

 

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From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net
[mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 8:30 AM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

 

Couldn't have said it better myself. Your spot on Bill.

 

- Original Message - 

From: Bill <mailto:inthewin...@bellsouth.net>  Vander Werf 

To: 'The <mailto:chevelle-list@chevelles.net>  Chevelle Mailing List' 

Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 7:27 AM

Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

 

The jobs went away because of the UAW. Unions were a good thing at their
inception, but they have completely outlived their usefulness.

 

As a business owner, I understand that you need to constantly cut costs to
be competitive. In manufacturing, labor is a huge part of the cost of
production. Labor costs have to be passed on to the consumer.

 

Union greed and an ever-increasing entitlement mentality are the things
killing manufacturing in this country, not the manufacturers or the
government.

 

Bill Vander Werf

 


  _  


From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net
[mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Terry S Hodges
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 8:20 PM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

 

Toyota's are built in Georgetown Ky

Nissan's are built in Smyrna Tn

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Dan Rachlin  wrote:

Strange how "Buy American" now means Toyota's that are built in Tennessee.??

 

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Rich Pruett 
wrote:



This is fascinating. If you watch, listen to the very last couple of
sentences.

This is a short video of a new Ford plant in Brazil . One look at this 
and you will be able to understand why there will probably never be another
assembly plant built in the USA.
It will also point out why more assembly plants will go offshore.
You won't doubt that Ford, GM, and Chrysler are destined to go under,
after watching this video.
They will survive, but their assembly operations in the U.S. likely 
won't, whether we have provided a bailout or not 

 

(listen closely at the end for the reason why ).


  <http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189>
http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189

And we wonder where the jobs go. This should help with the
explanation!

 


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Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

[NtOwlPro]

Great post Bill..to bad the union workers didn't understand  that..

Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

[Tony]

Couldn't have said it better myself. Your spot on Bill.

- Original Message - 
  From: Bill Vander Werf 
  To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 7:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant


  The jobs went away because of the UAW. Unions were a good thing at their 
inception, but they have completely outlived their usefulness.

   

  As a business owner, I understand that you need to constantly cut costs to be 
competitive. In manufacturing, labor is a huge part of the cost of production. 
Labor costs have to be passed on to the consumer.

   

  Union greed and an ever-increasing entitlement mentality are the things 
killing manufacturing in this country, not the manufacturers or the government.

   

  Bill Vander Werf

   


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[mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Terry S Hodges
  Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 8:20 PM
  To: The Chevelle Mailing List
  Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

   

  Toyota's are built in Georgetown Ky

  Nissan's are built in Smyrna Tn

  On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Dan Rachlin  wrote:

  Strange how "Buy American" now means Toyota's that are built in Tennessee.??

   

  On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Rich Pruett  
wrote:


This is fascinating. If you watch, listen to the very last couple of
sentences.

This is a short video of a new Ford plant in Brazil . One look at this 
and you will be able to understand why there will probably never be 
another
assembly plant built in the USA.
It will also point out why more assembly plants will go offshore.
You won't doubt that Ford, GM, and Chrysler are destined to go under,
after watching this video.
They will survive, but their assembly operations in the U.S. likely 
won't, whether we have provided a bailout or not 

 

(listen closely at the end for the reason why ).


 http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189

And we wonder where the jobs go. This should help with the
explanation!
   

   


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Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

[Bill Vander Werf]

The jobs went away because of the UAW. Unions were a good thing at their
inception, but they have completely outlived their usefulness.

 

As a business owner, I understand that you need to constantly cut costs to
be competitive. In manufacturing, labor is a huge part of the cost of
production. Labor costs have to be passed on to the consumer.

 

Union greed and an ever-increasing entitlement mentality are the things
killing manufacturing in this country, not the manufacturers or the
government.

 

Bill Vander Werf

 

  _  

From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net
[mailto:chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Terry S Hodges
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 8:20 PM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

 

Toyota's are built in Georgetown Ky

Nissan's are built in Smyrna Tn

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Dan Rachlin  wrote:

Strange how "Buy American" now means Toyota's that are built in Tennessee.??

 

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Rich Pruett 
wrote:



This is fascinating. If you watch, listen to the very last couple of
sentences.

This is a short video of a new Ford plant in Brazil . One look at this 
and you will be able to understand why there will probably never be another
assembly plant built in the USA.
It will also point out why more assembly plants will go offshore.
You won't doubt that Ford, GM, and Chrysler are destined to go under,
after watching this video.
They will survive, but their assembly operations in the U.S. likely 
won't, whether we have provided a bailout or not 

 

(listen closely at the end for the reason why ).


  <http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189>
http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189

And we wonder where the jobs go. This should help with the
explanation!

 

Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

[Bill Lessenberry]

BMW's are made in Spartanburg, SC
Nissan trucks in Canton, Mississippi
VW's are built in Chattanooga, TN
Honda's are built in Ohio, Alabama, and Indiana

It's a global economy.  GM and Ford have plants all over the world, too.
BillL


At 07:19 PM 12/13/2010, you wrote:

Toyota's are built in Georgetown Ky
Nissan's are built in Smyrna Tn

Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

[mike schiavone]

it is a damn shame that this country is going to become a third world country, 
We need our so called President out and real leader in office. not someone who 
wants to prosper from someone elses hard work.

Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:19:40 -0500
From: terryshod...@gmail.com
To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

Toyota's are built in Georgetown KyNissan's are built in Smyrna Tn

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Dan Rachlin  wrote:

Strange how "Buy American" now means Toyota's that are built in Tennessee.??


On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Rich Pruett  
wrote:





This is fascinating. If you watch, listen to the very last couple of
sentences.

This is a short video of a new Ford plant in Brazil . One look at this 


and you will be able to understand why there will probably never be another
assembly plant built in the USA.
It will also point out why more assembly plants will go offshore.


You won't doubt that Ford, GM, and Chrysler are destined to go under,
after watching this video.
They will survive, but their assembly operations in the U.S. likely 
won't, whether we have provided a bailout or not 

 (listen closely at the end for the reason why ).




 http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189



And we wonder where the jobs go. This should help with the
explanation!

 The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are 
willing to work and give to those who would not. 

--- Thomas Jefferson

"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of 
freedom.  What one person receives without working for, another person must 
work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that 
the government does not first take from somebody else.  When half of the people 
get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to 
take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good 
to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear 
friend, is about the end of any nation.



You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it." 
 
~ The late Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931 -  2005 ~


  

Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

[Terry S Hodges]

Toyota's are built in Georgetown Ky
Nissan's are built in Smyrna Tn

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Dan Rachlin  wrote:

> Strange how "Buy American" now means Toyota's that are built in
> Tennessee.??
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Rich Pruett 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> This is fascinating. If you watch, listen to the very last couple of
>> sentences.
>>
>> This is a short video of a new Ford plant in Brazil . One look at this
>> and you will be able to understand why there will probably never be
>> another
>> assembly plant built in the USA.
>> It will also point out why more assembly plants will go offshore.
>> You won't doubt that Ford, GM, and Chrysler are destined to go under,
>> after watching this video.
>> They will survive, but their assembly operations in the U.S. likely
>> won't, whether we have provided a bailout or not
>>
>>
>>
>> (listen closely at the end for the reason why ).
>>
>>
>>  http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189
>>
>> And we wonder where the jobs go. This should help with the
>> explanation!
>>
>>  The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are
>> willing to work and give to those who would not.
>> --- Thomas Jefferson
>>
>> "You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out
>> of freedom.  What one person receives without working for, another person
>> must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody
>> anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.  When
>> half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the
>> other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the
>> idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what
>> they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation.
>>
>> You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."
>>
>> ~ The late Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931 -  2005 ~
>>
>
>

Re: [Chevelle-list] New Ford Plant

[Dan Rachlin]

Strange how "Buy American" now means Toyota's that are built in Tennessee.??

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Rich Pruett wrote:

>
> This is fascinating. If you watch, listen to the very last couple of
> sentences.
>
> This is a short video of a new Ford plant in Brazil . One look at this
> and you will be able to understand why there will probably never be
> another
> assembly plant built in the USA.
> It will also point out why more assembly plants will go offshore.
> You won't doubt that Ford, GM, and Chrysler are destined to go under,
> after watching this video.
> They will survive, but their assembly operations in the U.S. likely
> won't, whether we have provided a bailout or not
>
>
>
> (listen closely at the end for the reason why ).
>
>
>  http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/player/index.php?id=1189
>
> And we wonder where the jobs go. This should help with the
> explanation!
>
>  The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are
> willing to work and give to those who would not.
> --- Thomas Jefferson
>
> "You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out
> of freedom.  What one person receives without working for, another person
> must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody
> anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.  When
> half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the
> other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the
> idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what
> they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation.
>
> You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."
>
> ~ The late Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931 -  2005 ~
>