Re: [Chevelle-list] Starting
Yes, without compression it can turn over easier. I'm still thinking the starter is drawing too many amps, thusly solenoid keeps clicking and starter barely turns over. I hope that's it so the car can finally be driven.gm66 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: "Crazy Rusty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'The Chevelle Mailing List'" Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Starting Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 19:24:35 -0700 I've taken the battery out of the loop and have a charger box hooked up (one of those big rolling ones) and set it to 'start'. Its definitely giving the power. I clamped the positive to the positive cable that runs straight to the starter, all connections are new. The negative battery cable terminates on the block and I've verified the ground there is ok as well as two from the block to the frame. I just exchanged the starter so I'm going to see if that does it. Isn't it strange though that if I take out the plugs it turns fine or does that just take the load off of it because there is no compression? (I'm not an engine guy) Thanks for all the suggestions! JB _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clyde Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 5:48 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Starting Hello:perform voltage drop tests on all starter cables and negative cables,you can use a set of booster cables to check the ground circuit of the car,connect the negative to the battery and the other end to the block,if the car winds over okay,the ground is the problem,you can also do the same with the positive to check the positive side(only if enough clearance),also attempt to start the car with a boost or a good strong battery charger hooked up to the chevelle.Is there any kind of a junction block,on my 69 chevelle there is a plastic junction where the 10 gauge red wire from the battery positive connects to,you can bypass that to see if that helps,other responses have mentioned to check starter and battery,this should also be checked completely as the other members have suggested,also 1 other thing,check the block whrere the starter mounts to make shure it is clean and not rusty,body grounds etc. - Original Message - From: Crazy Rusty <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'The <mailto:Chevelle-list@chevelles.net> Chevelle Mailing List' Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:21 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Starting A friend of mine just bought a 66 chevelle at an auction and was having trouble starting it. When you turn the key the starter clicks a lot and the engine very slowly cranks. The battery is fine, starter is new and tests fine, and all the electrical in the engine compartment seems to be fine. Supposedly the car was driven a bit five years ago and then parked in their yard and never started again. They got it running once before the auction but since then its done this. Anyone have any other ideas? _ Netscape. Just the Net You Need.
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Without the plugs, there's no compression as you state, and without the plugs, the engine is very easy to turn over. Try turning the engine over with a ratchet on the balancer bolt (or use a crank socket) with the plugs in and then try it without the plugs and you'll see how much easier it is to turn over! When I have to adjust the shaft rockers on my 454 I have to turn the engine over by hand. The first time I did it the plugs where in and boy what a job that was. The second time I did it, the light bulb went off and I pulled the plugs first! Big difference! Herb Lumpphttp://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/index.htm -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Crazy RustySent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 10:25 PMTo: 'The Chevelle Mailing List'Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Starting I’ve taken the battery out of the loop and have a charger box hooked up (one of those big rolling ones) and set it to ‘start’. Its definitely giving the power. I clamped the positive to the positive cable that runs straight to the starter, all connections are new. The negative battery cable terminates on the block and I’ve verified the ground there is ok as well as two from the block to the frame. I just exchanged the starter so I’m going to see if that does it. Isn’t it strange though that if I take out the plugs it turns fine or does that just take the load off of it because there is no compression? (I’m not an engine guy) Thanks for all the suggestions! JB From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ClydeSent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 5:48 AMTo: The Chevelle Mailing ListSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Starting Hello:perform voltage drop tests on all starter cables and negative cables,you can use a set of booster cables to check the ground circuit of the car,connect the negative to the battery and the other end to the block,if the car winds over okay,the ground is the problem,you can also do the same with the positive to check the positive side(only if enough clearance),also attempt to start the car with a boost or a good strong battery charger hooked up to the chevelle.Is there any kind of a junction block,on my 69 chevelle there is a plastic junction where the 10 gauge red wire from the battery positive connects to,you can bypass that to see if that helps,other responses have mentioned to check starter and battery,this should also be checked completely as the other members have suggested,also 1 other thing,check the block whrere the starter mounts to make shure it is clean and not rusty,body grounds etc. - Original Message - From: Crazy Rusty To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:21 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Starting A friend of mine just bought a 66 chevelle at an auction and was having trouble starting it. When you turn the key the starter clicks a lot and the engine very slowly cranks. The battery is fine, starter is new and tests fine, and all the electrical in the engine compartment seems to be fine. Supposedly the car was driven a bit five years ago and then parked in their yard and never started again. They got it running once before the auction but since then its done this. Anyone have any other ideas?
Re: [Chevelle-list] Starting
I’ve taken the battery out of the loop and have a charger box hooked up (one of those big rolling ones) and set it to ‘start’. Its definitely giving the power. I clamped the positive to the positive cable that runs straight to the starter, all connections are new. The negative battery cable terminates on the block and I’ve verified the ground there is ok as well as two from the block to the frame. I just exchanged the starter so I’m going to see if that does it. Isn’t it strange though that if I take out the plugs it turns fine or does that just take the load off of it because there is no compression? (I’m not an engine guy) Thanks for all the suggestions! JB From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clyde Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 5:48 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Starting Hello:perform voltage drop tests on all starter cables and negative cables,you can use a set of booster cables to check the ground circuit of the car,connect the negative to the battery and the other end to the block,if the car winds over okay,the ground is the problem,you can also do the same with the positive to check the positive side(only if enough clearance),also attempt to start the car with a boost or a good strong battery charger hooked up to the chevelle.Is there any kind of a junction block,on my 69 chevelle there is a plastic junction where the 10 gauge red wire from the battery positive connects to,you can bypass that to see if that helps,other responses have mentioned to check starter and battery,this should also be checked completely as the other members have suggested,also 1 other thing,check the block whrere the starter mounts to make shure it is clean and not rusty,body grounds etc. - Original Message - From: Crazy Rusty To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:21 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Starting A friend of mine just bought a 66 chevelle at an auction and was having trouble starting it. When you turn the key the starter clicks a lot and the engine very slowly cranks. The battery is fine, starter is new and tests fine, and all the electrical in the engine compartment seems to be fine. Supposedly the car was driven a bit five years ago and then parked in their yard and never started again. They got it running once before the auction but since then its done this. Anyone have any other ideas?
Re: [Chevelle-list] Starting
Hello:perform voltage drop tests on all starter cables and negative cables,you can use a set of booster cables to check the ground circuit of the car,connect the negative to the battery and the other end to the block,if the car winds over okay,the ground is the problem,you can also do the same with the positive to check the positive side(only if enough clearance),also attempt to start the car with a boost or a good strong battery charger hooked up to the chevelle.Is there any kind of a junction block,on my 69 chevelle there is a plastic junction where the 10 gauge red wire from the battery positive connects to,you can bypass that to see if that helps,other responses have mentioned to check starter and battery,this should also be checked completely as the other members have suggested,also 1 other thing,check the block whrere the starter mounts to make shure it is clean and not rusty,body grounds etc. - Original Message - From: Crazy Rusty To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:21 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Starting A friend of mine just bought a 66 chevelle at an auction and was having trouble starting it. When you turn the key the starter clicks a lot and the engine very slowly cranks. The battery is fine, starter is new and tests fine, and all the electrical in the engine compartment seems to be fine. Supposedly the car was driven a bit five years ago and then parked in their yard and never started again. They got it running once before the auction but since then its done this. Anyone have any other ideas?
Re: [Chevelle-list] Starting
I know this is a dummy onebut are your connections good? As in not corroded? Just another simple thing to rule out -Tim King-
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I would load-test the battery. If it checks out,the starter would be my next target. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino protourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger For Sale http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm "You may find me dead one day in a ditch. But by God,you'll find me in a pile of brass." - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sounds like the starter is faulty. Not uncommon to have a new one that won't work properly . I presume the "new" starter is a re-conditioned one, right. Went thru 3 re's,once then bought a brand new one to resolve the issue.gm66 > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > From: "Crazy Rusty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I've taken the battery out of the equation completely and still have the > issue. I took out the plugs and sprayed some WD-40 in each of the cylinders > and tried to start it to burn it off and it turned over really nice. Put > the plugs back in and now I have the same problem.
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Sounds to me like the voltage regulater. Had that problem way back when. -Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: May 12, 2006 9:14 PM >To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net >Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Starting > >Sounds like the starter is faulty. Not uncommon to have a new one that won't >work properly . I presume the "new" starter is a re-conditioned one, right. >Went thru 3 re's,once then bought a brand new one to resolve the issue.gm66 > >--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >From: "Crazy Rusty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "'The Chevelle Mailing List'" >Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Starting >Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 16:54:37 -0700 > >I've taken the battery out of the equation completely and still have the >issue. I took out the plugs and sprayed some WD-40 in each of the cylinders >and tried to start it to burn it off and it turned over really nice. Put >the plugs back in and now I have the same problem. > > > > _ > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Schaefer >Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:31 PM >To: The Chevelle Mailing List >Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Starting > > > > Clean & tighten all connections. Positive battery connections at battery >& solenoid, ground connections at battery, block, frame, and any other >ground connections a 66 may have. Clean means remove the connection, wire >brush both mating surfaces and reinstall. Might also try a different >battery even if the installed one checks fine. > >On 5/12/06, Crazy Rusty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >A friend of mine just bought a 66 chevelle at an auction and was having >trouble starting it. When you turn the key the starter clicks a lot and the >engine very slowly cranks. The battery is fine, starter is new and tests >fine, and all the electrical in the engine compartment seems to be fine. >Supposedly the car was driven a bit five years ago and then parked in their >yard and never started again. They got it running once before the auction >but since then its done this. Anyone have any other ideas? > > > > >-- >Rick Schaefer >72 TPI El Camino > > > >_ >Netscape. Just the Net You Need. >
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Sounds like the starter is faulty. Not uncommon to have a new one that won't work properly . I presume the "new" starter is a re-conditioned one, right. Went thru 3 re's,once then bought a brand new one to resolve the issue.gm66 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: "Crazy Rusty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'The Chevelle Mailing List'" Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Starting Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 16:54:37 -0700 I've taken the battery out of the equation completely and still have the issue. I took out the plugs and sprayed some WD-40 in each of the cylinders and tried to start it to burn it off and it turned over really nice. Put the plugs back in and now I have the same problem. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Schaefer Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:31 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Starting Clean & tighten all connections. Positive battery connections at battery & solenoid, ground connections at battery, block, frame, and any other ground connections a 66 may have. Clean means remove the connection, wire brush both mating surfaces and reinstall. Might also try a different battery even if the installed one checks fine. On 5/12/06, Crazy Rusty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A friend of mine just bought a 66 chevelle at an auction and was having trouble starting it. When you turn the key the starter clicks a lot and the engine very slowly cranks. The battery is fine, starter is new and tests fine, and all the electrical in the engine compartment seems to be fine. Supposedly the car was driven a bit five years ago and then parked in their yard and never started again. They got it running once before the auction but since then its done this. Anyone have any other ideas? -- Rick Schaefer 72 TPI El Camino _ Netscape. Just the Net You Need.
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I’ve taken the battery out of the equation completely and still have the issue. I took out the plugs and sprayed some WD-40 in each of the cylinders and tried to start it to burn it off and it turned over really nice. Put the plugs back in and now I have the same problem… From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Schaefer Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:31 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Starting Clean & tighten all connections. Positive battery connections at battery & solenoid, ground connections at battery, block, frame, and any other ground connections a 66 may have. Clean means remove the connection, wire brush both mating surfaces and reinstall. Might also try a different battery even if the installed one checks fine. On 5/12/06, Crazy Rusty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A friend of mine just bought a 66 chevelle at an auction and was having trouble starting it. When you turn the key the starter clicks a lot and the engine very slowly cranks. The battery is fine, starter is new and tests fine, and all the electrical in the engine compartment seems to be fine. Supposedly the car was driven a bit five years ago and then parked in their yard and never started again. They got it running once before the auction but since then its done this. Anyone have any other ideas? -- Rick Schaefer 72 TPI El Camino
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Clean & tighten all connections. Positive battery connections at battery & solenoid, ground connections at battery, block, frame, and any other ground connections a 66 may have. Clean means remove the connection, wire brush both mating surfaces and reinstall. Might also try a different battery even if the installed one checks fine. On 5/12/06, Crazy Rusty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A friend of mine just bought a 66 chevelle at an auction and was having trouble starting it. When you turn the key the starter clicks a lot and the engine very slowly cranks. The battery is fine, starter is new and tests fine, and all the electrical in the engine compartment seems to be fine. Supposedly the car was driven a bit five years ago and then parked in their yard and never started again. They got it running once before the auction but since then its done this. Anyone have any other ideas? -- Rick Schaefer72 TPI El Camino
RE: [Chevelle-list] Starting the new year right
Shawn, There is a great feature about a 1969 dash in the annual publication of CHEVELLE by PRIMEDIApublishers of SUPER CHEVY. PRIMEDIA Specialty Group Inc. phone number is [866]601-5199 in L.A. Calif. Regards, beauvelle From: Shawn Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: [Chevelle-list] Starting the new year right Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 12:38:53 -0500 Hello all, I know that some of us indulged a bit last night so I'm typing really quiet. I'm finally finished with my 'house' projects and am now able to start work on the '69 again. Yesterday I worked and fiddled but got her running... a 396 with open headers is truly a sound to behold. Anyway, I'm beginning to work on the interior and was wondering what tips and/or tricks anyone has for refinishing the plastic instrument bezel. Mine is in pretty good physical shape, but the black and some of the chrome plating has worn through in a few places. I'm just trying to figure out the best way to get it looking back to original. Thanks! -- Shawn Price Senior Network Engineer Morrison Homes 404-427-8229 _ MSN® Calendar keeps you organized and takes the effort out of scheduling get-togethers. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.
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There is a place in Ft Worth Tx Mr. G that specializes in rechroming plastic. He has most original parts in stock and will exchange or rechrome yours. The website is www.mrgusa.com, a word of caution there are some people that do not like dealing with him. I have not had any problems with my stuff on a 66 SS, David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Price Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:39 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: [Chevelle-list] Starting the new year right Hello all, I know that some of us indulged a bit last night so I'm typing really quiet. I'm finally finished with my 'house' projects and am now able to start work on the '69 again. Yesterday I worked and fiddled but got her running... a 396 with open headers is truly a sound to behold. Anyway, I'm beginning to work on the interior and was wondering what tips and/or tricks anyone has for refinishing the plastic instrument bezel. Mine is in pretty good physical shape, but the black and some of the chrome plating has worn through in a few places. I'm just trying to figure out the best way to get it looking back to original. Thanks! -- Shawn Price Senior Network Engineer Morrison Homes 404-427-8229
Re: [Chevelle-list] starting problem
An old timer, much wiser than I, once told me that you need 3 things to start an engine. #1 Good spark #2 Gas -has to be getting inside the combustion chamber #3 Timing Now I know a thing or two could be added to that, exceptions can be found etc. I think this assumes that your engine is still mechanically sound as well. I once had a wild night out as a teen putting my well worn 389 65 GTO with a muncie 4 speed through it's paces. Ran great that night. The next morning it would not start. Turned out that somehow the timing chain had jumped a tooth. Now I am still not sure why it ran great until I shut it off that night, and wouldn't start the next morning. Weird! Must have jumped the tooth trying to start the next morning? If you are sure you see spark jumping the spark plug gap (not just spark getting to the cap from the coil), and you are sure that timing hasn't slipped drastically or something hasn't changed, such as a new set of plug wires and getting mixed up... that would just about leave gas. Verify it's squirting into the carb. If you aren't sure, pour a little gas into the carb and see if the engine tries to start. This is about the limits of my expertise. Wiser guys than I can chime in and go from here if you verified the basics above. Steve On Fri, 2004-07-30 at 23:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > trying to get my chevelle running for some reason i have spark but it > just wont start any ideas from anyone thanks for the help
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If you have spark, that only leaves fuel and air to check. Is the spark bluish/white? If it is yellow, it is too weak for some reason, and will not ignite the fuel/air charge. After cranking, pump carb once by hand, you should see/smell fuel. If you think it may be flooded, hold gas pedal to the floor while cranking. Best I can say without more details. Good luck! Brian '71 Malibu From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Chevelle-list] starting problem Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 :31:43 EDT trying to get my chevelle running for some reason i have spark but it just wont start any ideas from anyone thanks for the help _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
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You are right Steve, and good advise is to check everything you have outlined!! But, keep one thing in mind, the wire that is getting HOT and is frayed, is the RESISTOR wire in the RUN circuit for point ignition cars!! Your problem may be in this wire ( to great a voltage drop (resistance), or a partial voltage drop in the CRANK wire circuit, which is wired in parallel !!! Check that WIRELOOM between the coil and the ignition switch!! Also, I agree, is the problem, CRANK and NO START, or Slow crank, and NO Start, or Crank and NO start, after hot soak Need more information!!! Also, the assistance of a jumper battery will dramatically increase available voltage, which may and probably does MASK the problem!!! Larry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 3:14 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Starting Problem ??In a message dated 3/14/2003 5:00:04 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I see two likely possibilities here (at least...maybe more) and you may have to eliminate both to see if they are the problem. 1. This sounds like the classic starter dragging when hot problem that is very common on Chevy's. How close do your headers come to the starter? You may want to put in some sort of heat shield to test to see if that is it. I believe you can buy shields for your starter at most local parts stores or online. If you can find a way to shield your starter on a temporary basis with a piece of metal in between your starter and headers where it won't fall out, you can try that to see if it helps. 2. You may be getting a voltage drop between your battery and starter due to a bad connection at the battery terminal, the battery cable being too thin, or a poor connection at the starter. Clean all connections well with a brass brush and make sure they are good and tight connections. You can also put a voltmeter lead at the starter before and during cranking to see what the voltage level reads there when cold vs. hot. If one of these two don't turn out to be the problem, you may have got a bad starter even though it's "newly rebuilt"..it wouldn't be the first time that a bad part came over the counter. The wire getting hot at the coil is because you left the key on to provide a path for current to flow. This is not a good thing on a car with points as it puts pits in the points fast. I'd check the points ASAP for pits, file them or replace them and check the dwell. Also, fix any frayed wires. One last thing when you say "NOTHING" happens you mean the starter is not turning the engine over .or the engine is being turned over by the starter but it doesn't start? SteveThe engine cranks and the car was running today for about 20 minutes. What Iam saying is that sometimes when you go to crank the engine and it runs for a short time and stalls, when you try to re-start it again there is nothing like you have a dead battery. But if you put the charger to it say on full it will start cranking again and start . The starter is brand new. I know that the headers will cause the starter not to start because of the heat build up from the headers which will eventually burn out the starter, I do need to get a sheild or some wrap. Would the headers cause that much heat in such a short period of time to stop it from turning over ?? So this is where Iam at now, thanks for the infoJohnMalibuman66Phila, Pa
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In a message dated 3/14/2003 5:00:04 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I see two likely possibilities here (at least...maybe more) and you may have to eliminate both to see if they are the problem. 1. This sounds like the classic starter dragging when hot problem that is very common on Chevy's. How close do your headers come to the starter? You may want to put in some sort of heat shield to test to see if that is it. I believe you can buy shields for your starter at most local parts stores or online. If you can find a way to shield your starter on a temporary basis with a piece of metal in between your starter and headers where it won't fall out, you can try that to see if it helps. 2. You may be getting a voltage drop between your battery and starter due to a bad connection at the battery terminal, the battery cable being too thin, or a poor connection at the starter. Clean all connections well with a brass brush and make sure they are good and tight connections. You can also put a voltmeter lead at the starter before and during cranking to see what the voltage level reads there when cold vs. hot. If one of these two don't turn out to be the problem, you may have got a bad starter even though it's "newly rebuilt"..it wouldn't be the first time that a bad part came over the counter. The wire getting hot at the coil is because you left the key on to provide a path for current to flow. This is not a good thing on a car with points as it puts pits in the points fast. I'd check the points ASAP for pits, file them or replace them and check the dwell. Also, fix any frayed wires. One last thing when you say "NOTHING" happens you mean the starter is not turning the engine over .or the engine is being turned over by the starter but it doesn't start? Steve The engine cranks and the car was running today for about 20 minutes. What Iam saying is that sometimes when you go to crank the engine and it runs for a short time and stalls, when you try to re-start it again there is nothing like you have a dead battery. But if you put the charger to it say on full it will start cranking again and start . The starter is brand new. I know that the headers will cause the starter not to start because of the heat build up from the headers which will eventually burn out the starter, I do need to get a sheild or some wrap. Would the headers cause that much heat in such a short period of time to stop it from turning over ?? So this is where Iam at now, thanks for the info John Malibuman66 Phila, Pa
RE: [Chevelle-List] Starting Problem ??
I see two likely possibilities here (at least...maybe more) and you may have to eliminate both to see if they are the problem. 1. This sounds like the classic starter dragging when hot problem that is very common on Chevy's. How close do your headers come to the starter? You may want to put in some sort of heat shield to test to see if that is it. I believe you can buy shields for your starter at most local parts stores or online. If you can find a way to shield your starter on a temporary basis with a piece of metal in between your starter and headers where it won't fall out, you can try that to see if it helps. 2. You may be getting a voltage drop between your battery and starter due to a bad connection at the battery terminal, the battery cable being too thin, or a poor connection at the starter. Clean all connections well with a brass brush and make sure they are good and tight connections. You can also put a voltmeter lead at the starter before and during cranking to see what the voltage level reads there when cold vs. hot. If one of these two don't turn out to be the problem, you may have got a bad starter even though it's "newly rebuilt"..it wouldn't be the first time that a bad part came over the counter. The wire getting hot at the coil is because you left the key on to provide a path for current to flow. This is not a good thing on a car with points as it puts pits in the points fast. I'd check the points ASAP for pits, file them or replace them and check the dwell. Also, fix any frayed wires. One last thing when you say "NOTHING" happens you mean the starter is not turning the engine over .or the engine is being turned over by the starter but it doesn't start? Steve -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 1:42 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] Starting Problem ??I have a qestion regading starting my car. When I start the car I have to use a battery charger, but however I took the battery and had ur tested and it reads well and its not in the battery. When you turn the key it wont start but when you put the charger to it it starts and runs, but then when you turn it off NOTHING !! Then you sit for a few minutes and it cranks again. And the process repeats itself over and over. I have put in new plugs, starter, coil, wires,distributor, points,cables, coil and so on as the list grows. There is only one thing that I have noticed is that the ignition wire coming from the harness to the coil is frayed and gets hot when you leave the key on. But the engine still starts. I have a 350 cu in in there. Any suggestions or solutions ?? Playing process and elimination is taking its toll on me and my wallet.thanks for any help someone can giveJohnMalibuman66Phila, Pa
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Title: Message I've had these problems before as well. Once it was because the starter would seize up while it was hot from the exhaust headers and would not turn over until it cooled. The second time, I believe that my wiring was incorrect and the switch wire was having it's voltage reduced through a ceramic voltage reducer on the firewall that was meant for the distributor (I think). Check to see if you are getting all 12 volts at the end of the switch wire. Bad connections might reduce the voltage and make it tuff to turn over when it is hot. Good luck and let us know. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Brad WallerSent: Friday, March 14, 2003 12:50 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Starting Problem ?? I have had odd problems before where one of the battery terminals was actually cracked. Try wiggling the terminals to see what happens to the voltage. Also try watching the voltage as you turn the key. Does it stay still or drop to zero (or six volts)? Other possibilities are bad grounds. Do you put the charge across the battery, or use a separate ground? One diagnostic would be to get a second battery and wire it in. If the car still does not start, then it is in the car. If it cranks and starts, it is in the battery. Brad Waller ([EMAIL PROTECTED])'66 Convertible | 327/dead | 4-speed | Wilwood Brakes | 245/45/16 BFGs'67 Chevelle | ex-SS396 | 355/700R4 | '79 F-Body Brakes -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 10:42 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] Starting Problem ??I have a qestion regading starting my car. When I start the car I have to use a battery charger, but however I took the battery and had ur tested and it reads well and its not in the battery. When you turn the key it wont start but when you put the charger to it it starts and runs, but then when you turn it off NOTHING !! Then you sit for a few minutes and it cranks again. And the process repeats itself over and over. I have put in new plugs, starter, coil, wires,distributor, points,cables, coil and so on as the list grows. There is only one thing that I have noticed is that the ignition wire coming from the harness to the coil is frayed and gets hot when you leave the key on. But the engine still starts. I have a 350 cu in in there. Any suggestions or solutions ?? Playing process and elimination is taking its toll on me and my wallet.thanks for any help someone can giveJohnMalibuman66Phila, Pa
RE: [Chevelle-List] Starting Problem ??
Title: Message I have had odd problems before where one of the battery terminals was actually cracked. Try wiggling the terminals to see what happens to the voltage. Also try watching the voltage as you turn the key. Does it stay still or drop to zero (or six volts)? Other possibilities are bad grounds. Do you put the charge across the battery, or use a separate ground? One diagnostic would be to get a second battery and wire it in. If the car still does not start, then it is in the car. If it cranks and starts, it is in the battery. Brad Waller ([EMAIL PROTECTED])'66 Convertible | 327/dead | 4-speed | Wilwood Brakes | 245/45/16 BFGs'67 Chevelle | ex-SS396 | 355/700R4 | '79 F-Body Brakes -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 10:42 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] Starting Problem ??I have a qestion regading starting my car. When I start the car I have to use a battery charger, but however I took the battery and had ur tested and it reads well and its not in the battery. When you turn the key it wont start but when you put the charger to it it starts and runs, but then when you turn it off NOTHING !! Then you sit for a few minutes and it cranks again. And the process repeats itself over and over. I have put in new plugs, starter, coil, wires,distributor, points,cables, coil and so on as the list grows. There is only one thing that I have noticed is that the ignition wire coming from the harness to the coil is frayed and gets hot when you leave the key on. But the engine still starts. I have a 350 cu in in there. Any suggestions or solutions ?? Playing process and elimination is taking its toll on me and my wallet.thanks for any help someone can giveJohnMalibuman66Phila, Pa
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In a message dated 3/14/2003 12:55:11 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did you have the battery load tested? When you say "reads well" what did you read? John Nasta Old Car Network http://oldcarnetwork.com Battery Test Results Rated CCA : 575 Volts Prior to Test 12.59 Volts Under Load 11.39 Recovery Volts 12.51 John Malibuman66 Phila, Pa
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In a message dated 3/14/2003 12:57:23 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Was the solenoid replaced with the starter? Yes it was came with starter John Malibuman66 Phila, Pa
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Was the solenoid replaced with the starter? Brian Zack '70 Chevelle Malibumailto:brianz@dpsabq.com Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 11:42 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] Starting Problem ?? I have a qestion regading starting my car. When I start the car I have to use a battery charger, but however I took the battery and had ur tested and it reads well and its not in the battery. When you turn the key it wont start but when you put the charger to it it starts and runs, but then when you turn it off NOTHING !! Then you sit for a few minutes and it cranks again. And the process repeats itself over and over. I have put in new plugs, starter, coil, wires,distributor, points,cables, coil and so on as the list grows. There is only one thing that I have noticed is that the ignition wire coming from the harness to the coil is frayed and gets hot when you leave the key on. But the engine still starts. I have a 350 cu in in there. Any suggestions or solutions ?? Playing process and elimination is taking its toll on me and my wallet.thanks for any help someone can giveJohnMalibuman66Phila, Pa
RE: [Chevelle-List] Starting Problem ??
Did you have the battery load tested? When you say "reads well" what did you read? John Nasta Old Car Network http://oldcarnetwork.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 1:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Chevelle-List] Starting Problem ?? I have a qestion regading starting my car. When I start the car I have to use a battery charger, but however I took the battery and had ur tested and it reads well and its not in the battery. When you turn the key it wont start but when you put the charger to it it starts and runs, but then when you turn it off NOTHING !! Then you sit for a few minutes and it cranks again. And the process repeats itself over and over. I have put in new plugs, starter, coil, wires,distributor, points,cables, coil and so on as the list grows. There is only one thing that I have noticed is that the ignition wire coming from the harness to the coil is frayed and gets hot when you leave the key on. But the engine still starts. I have a 350 cu in in there. Any suggestions or solutions ?? Playing process and elimination is taking its toll on me and my wallet.thanks for any help someone can give John Malibuman66 Phila, Pa
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Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List If it's an electronic dist. I'd say the ignion module bit the dust. John,67SS396http://www.geocities.com/grepr - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I was just wondering if there was some cruising around down there. I can't decide if I should put in the 230 engine or put a V8 in. I am going to wait to see what the VIN tell me. DaveIngersoll,OntarioMy web site: http://members.tripod.com/benj30/ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Starting 2002 Dave: I have some pictures of some. Got to see a couple at the aces NW regional back in Aug in graham, Washington. several Canadians participate in the event. I believe my friend grant who is on this list and lives in Vancouver, BC has some knowledge of them. Larry
Re: [Chevelle-List] Starting 2002
Dave: I have some pictures of some. Got to see a couple at the aces NW regional back in Aug in graham, Washington. several Canadians participate in the event. I believe my friend grant who is on this list and lives in Vancouver, BC has some knowledge of them. Larry
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Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List dave do you mean "How many of YOUSE know of :) . I'd never heard of Beaumont til I discovered www.chevelles.com I've visited the Canadian Chevelles & Beaumonts Club site many times since. rick On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:43:31 -0500 "Dave Benjamin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The perfect way to start the new year, I bought a rolling chassis to > put my 1967 Beaumont together. The frame is excellent and the floors > and trunk are also in good shape. I have pictures up on my web site > of both cars. > > Question: > How many of use's know of beaumonts State side? > > Dave > Ingersoll,Ontario > My web site: http://members.tripod.com/benj30/ > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > How many of use's know of beaumonts State side? > > Dave > Ingersoll,Ontario 3-4 years ago I stopped and looked a '68 that was for sale. Interesting vehicle, and I haven't seen one since. Brad - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
