[chromium-dev] Re: Fwd: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present.
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Ben Goodger (Google) wrote: > VS2008 builds with /MP by default, and it's well supported, so when present > there's no reason for us to not use it by default. Note that you can still > force VS2005 by setting GYP_MSVS_VERSION=2005 in your environment. > Note of caution for WebKit hackers: If you're building WebKit directly (e.g. "./build_webkit"), you need to be using VS 2005. There's some support for VS 2008 in the WK build scripts, but the project files themselves are in 2005 format and WebKit doesn't use GYP. Someone passionate about this could try switching them over :) PK --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Fwd: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present.
It'd be nice if the defaults could be set on a per-sln level I guess. -Ben On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Peter Kasting wrote: > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Ben Goodger (Google) > wrote: > >> VS2008 builds with /MP by default, and it's well supported, so when >> present there's no reason for us to not use it by default. Note that you can >> still force VS2005 by setting GYP_MSVS_VERSION=2005 in your environment. >> > > Note of caution for WebKit hackers: If you're building WebKit directly > (e.g. "./build_webkit"), you need to be using VS 2005. There's some support > for VS 2008 in the WK build scripts, but the project files themselves are in > 2005 format and WebKit doesn't use GYP. > > Someone passionate about this could try switching them over :) > > PK > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Fwd: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present.
I've been using VS2008 on Win7 for the last month or so. I hate it. Problems: 1) Stepping in the debugger is SOOO slow. I am thinking about going back to VS2005. 2) If you turn on Intellisense, it crashes like crazy very regularly. I've turned off intellisense, but it is a big loss in productivity to do so I strongly recommend against VS2008; do others have these problems? Mike On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Ben Goodger (Google) wrote: > FYI. > > VS2008 builds with /MP by default, and it's well supported, so when present > there's no reason for us to not use it by default. Note that you can still > force VS2005 by setting GYP_MSVS_VERSION=2005 in your environment. > > Thanks Brad! > > -Ben > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: > Date: Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:26 PM > Subject: Re: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present. > To: bradnel...@google.com > Cc: gyp-develo...@googlegroups.com > > > LGTM > > > http://codereview.chromium.org/341041 > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Fwd: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present.
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mike Belshe wrote: > I strongly recommend against VS2008; do others have these problems? > For awhile I was having serious crashiness problems with it. Those stopped, I don't remember if it was because I installed enough service packs and hotfixes or what. PK --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Fwd: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present.
It does seem slower, however never having to remember to patch the appropriate vsprops/gypi with /MP is a big win. When I was ordering the new machines I found most people on the team I asked were not doing this, and as a result their builds were 2-3x slower. -Ben On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mike Belshe wrote: > I've been using VS2008 on Win7 for the last month or so. > > I hate it. > > Problems: > > 1) Stepping in the debugger is SOOO slow. I am thinking about going > back to VS2005. > 2) If you turn on Intellisense, it crashes like crazy very regularly. I've > turned off intellisense, but it is a big loss in productivity to do so > > I strongly recommend against VS2008; do others have these problems? > > Mike > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Ben Goodger (Google) > wrote: > >> FYI. >> >> VS2008 builds with /MP by default, and it's well supported, so when >> present there's no reason for us to not use it by default. Note that you can >> still force VS2005 by setting GYP_MSVS_VERSION=2005 in your environment. >> >> Thanks Brad! >> >> -Ben >> >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: >> Date: Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:26 PM >> Subject: Re: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present. >> To: bradnel...@google.com >> Cc: gyp-develo...@googlegroups.com >> >> >> LGTM >> >> >> http://codereview.chromium.org/341041 >> >> >> >> >> > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Fwd: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present.
Sounds pretty rough -- no wonder you don't like it :). For what it's worth, I use VS2008 as my primary and don't see any of these issues. :DG< On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mike Belshe wrote: > I've been using VS2008 on Win7 for the last month or so. > I hate it. > Problems: > 1) Stepping in the debugger is SOOO slow. I am thinking about going > back to VS2005. > 2) If you turn on Intellisense, it crashes like crazy very regularly. I've > turned off intellisense, but it is a big loss in productivity to do so > I strongly recommend against VS2008; do others have these problems? > Mike > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Ben Goodger (Google) > wrote: >> >> FYI. >> VS2008 builds with /MP by default, and it's well supported, so when >> present there's no reason for us to not use it by default. Note that you can >> still force VS2005 by setting GYP_MSVS_VERSION=2005 in your environment. >> Thanks Brad! >> -Ben >> >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: >> Date: Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:26 PM >> Subject: Re: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present. >> To: bradnel...@google.com >> Cc: gyp-develo...@googlegroups.com >> >> >> LGTM >> >> http://codereview.chromium.org/341041 >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Fwd: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present.
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mike Belshe wrote: > 2) If you turn on Intellisense, it crashes like crazy very regularly. I've > turned off intellisense, but it is a big loss in productivity to do so That was my experience with VS2005, but I am used to not having Intellisense anyway. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Fwd: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present.
Same here... W7+VS2008 is a lot better combination than Vista+VS2005 was for me. As for Intellisense, I have not had any problems with it on my new box, but I rely on Visual Assist anyway so maybe I'm not seeing the problems you are running into. Or, maybe I just have more hotfixes and service packs installed. (shrug). On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 14:42, Dimitri Glazkov wrote: > > Sounds pretty rough -- no wonder you don't like it :). For what it's > worth, I use VS2008 as my primary and don't see any of these issues. > > :DG< > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mike Belshe wrote: > > I've been using VS2008 on Win7 for the last month or so. > > I hate it. > > Problems: > > 1) Stepping in the debugger is SOOO slow. I am thinking about going > > back to VS2005. > > 2) If you turn on Intellisense, it crashes like crazy very regularly. > I've > > turned off intellisense, but it is a big loss in productivity to do so > > I strongly recommend against VS2008; do others have these problems? > > Mike > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Ben Goodger (Google) > > wrote: > >> > >> FYI. > >> VS2008 builds with /MP by default, and it's well supported, so when > >> present there's no reason for us to not use it by default. Note that you > can > >> still force VS2005 by setting GYP_MSVS_VERSION=2005 in your environment. > >> Thanks Brad! > >> -Ben > >> > >> -- Forwarded message -- > >> From: > >> Date: Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:26 PM > >> Subject: Re: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present. > >> To: bradnel...@google.com > >> Cc: gyp-develo...@googlegroups.com > >> > >> > >> LGTM > >> > >> http://codereview.chromium.org/341041 > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Fwd: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present.
General FYI for those that don't use it: Visual Assist X is far superior to builtin intellisense. Far fewer performance problems too. -Ben On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Evan Martin wrote: > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mike Belshe wrote: > > 2) If you turn on Intellisense, it crashes like crazy very regularly. > I've > > turned off intellisense, but it is a big loss in productivity to do so > > That was my experience with VS2005, but I am used to not having > Intellisense anyway. > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Fwd: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present.
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mike Belshe wrote: > I've been using VS2008 on Win7 for the last month or so. > > I hate it. > > Problems: > > 1) Stepping in the debugger is SOOO slow. I am thinking about going > back to VS2005. > I was just about to reply and say the same thing (on Win 7). It would take me 2-3 seconds each time I step over a line. I couldn't use it anymore and switched back to VS 2005. > 2) If you turn on Intellisense, it crashes like crazy very regularly. I've > turned off intellisense, but it is a big loss in productivity to do so > > I strongly recommend against VS2008; do others have these problems? > > Mike > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Ben Goodger (Google) > wrote: > >> FYI. >> >> VS2008 builds with /MP by default, and it's well supported, so when >> present there's no reason for us to not use it by default. Note that you can >> still force VS2005 by setting GYP_MSVS_VERSION=2005 in your environment. >> >> Thanks Brad! >> >> -Ben >> >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: >> Date: Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:26 PM >> Subject: Re: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present. >> To: bradnel...@google.com >> Cc: gyp-develo...@googlegroups.com >> >> >> LGTM >> >> >> http://codereview.chromium.org/341041 >> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Fwd: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present.
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mike Belshe wrote: > I've been using VS2008 on Win7 for the last month or so. > I hate it. > Problems: > 1) Stepping in the debugger is SOOO slow. I am thinking about going > back to VS2005. > 2) If you turn on Intellisense, it crashes like crazy very regularly. I've > turned off intellisense, but it is a big loss in productivity to do so > I strongly recommend against VS2008; do others have these problems? I get same crashiness with intellisense. And I get a guaranteed crash/hang when trying to switch mode from Debug to Release, if I don't first destroy the .ncb file. > Mike > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Ben Goodger (Google) > wrote: >> >> FYI. >> VS2008 builds with /MP by default, and it's well supported, so when >> present there's no reason for us to not use it by default. Note that you can >> still force VS2005 by setting GYP_MSVS_VERSION=2005 in your environment. >> Thanks Brad! >> -Ben >> >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: >> Date: Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:26 PM >> Subject: Re: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present. >> To: bradnel...@google.com >> Cc: gyp-develo...@googlegroups.com >> >> >> LGTM >> >> http://codereview.chromium.org/341041 >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Fwd: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present.
> I was just about to reply and say the same thing (on Win 7). It would take me 2-3 seconds each time I step over a line. I couldn't use it anymore and switched back to VS 2005. Isn't the stepping speed affected by things like what you have in your Watch window and what conditional breakpoints you have set, or something? Anyway, you've probably gone through this thought exercise many times... Just thought I'd mention it. On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 14:51, John Abd-El-Malek wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mike Belshe wrote: > >> I've been using VS2008 on Win7 for the last month or so. >> >> I hate it. >> >> Problems: >> >> 1) Stepping in the debugger is SOOO slow. I am thinking about going >> back to VS2005. >> > > I was just about to reply and say the same thing (on Win 7). It would take > me 2-3 seconds each time I step over a line. I couldn't use it anymore and > switched back to VS 2005. > > >> 2) If you turn on Intellisense, it crashes like crazy very regularly. >> I've turned off intellisense, but it is a big loss in productivity to do so >> >> I strongly recommend against VS2008; do others have these problems? >> >> Mike >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Ben Goodger (Google) >> wrote: >> >>> FYI. >>> >>> VS2008 builds with /MP by default, and it's well supported, so when >>> present there's no reason for us to not use it by default. Note that you can >>> still force VS2005 by setting GYP_MSVS_VERSION=2005 in your environment. >>> >>> Thanks Brad! >>> >>> -Ben >>> >>> -- Forwarded message -- >>> From: >>> Date: Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:26 PM >>> Subject: Re: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present. >>> To: bradnel...@google.com >>> Cc: gyp-develo...@googlegroups.com >>> >>> >>> LGTM >>> >>> >>> http://codereview.chromium.org/341041 >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Fwd: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present.
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Finnur Thorarinsson wrote: > > > I was just about to reply and say the same thing (on Win 7). It would > take me 2-3 seconds each time I step over a line. I couldn't use it anymore > and switched back to VS 2005. > > Isn't the stepping speed affected by things like what you have in your > Watch window and what conditional breakpoints you have set, or something? > > Anyway, you've probably gone through this thought exercise many times... > Just thought I'd mention it. > This was an apple-to-apple comparison, only a few breakpoints in both, fresh build, both on SSD etc. > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 14:51, John Abd-El-Malek wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mike Belshe wrote: >> >>> I've been using VS2008 on Win7 for the last month or so. >>> >>> I hate it. >>> >>> Problems: >>> >>> 1) Stepping in the debugger is SOOO slow. I am thinking about going >>> back to VS2005. >>> >> >> I was just about to reply and say the same thing (on Win 7). It would >> take me 2-3 seconds each time I step over a line. I couldn't use it anymore >> and switched back to VS 2005. >> >> >>> 2) If you turn on Intellisense, it crashes like crazy very regularly. >>> I've turned off intellisense, but it is a big loss in productivity to do so >>> >>> I strongly recommend against VS2008; do others have these problems? >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Ben Goodger (Google) >>> wrote: >>> FYI. VS2008 builds with /MP by default, and it's well supported, so when present there's no reason for us to not use it by default. Note that you can still force VS2005 by setting GYP_MSVS_VERSION=2005 in your environment. Thanks Brad! -Ben -- Forwarded message -- From: Date: Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:26 PM Subject: Re: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present. To: bradnel...@google.com Cc: gyp-develo...@googlegroups.com LGTM http://codereview.chromium.org/341041 >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Fwd: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present.
>From http://dev.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/build-instructions-windows
Ensure that /MP is enabled. You can do this by creating a file called inc
lude.gypi which contains the following lines:
{
'variables': {
'msvs_multi_core_compile': 1
}
}
Put this file in a folder called .gyp under your home directory. On
Windows, this will be something like: C:\Documents and
Settings\\.gyp\include.gypi, or if you are on Vista:
C:\Users\\.gyp\include.gypi. Make sure you run"gclient runhooks
--force" after creating this file to rebuild the project files, forcing GYP
to output /MP.
Btw, A month or two back someone posted build times from 2005 and 2008.
2005 was faster.
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Ben Goodger (Google) wrote:
> It does seem slower, however never having to remember to patch the
> appropriate vsprops/gypi with /MP is a big win. When I was ordering the new
> machines I found most people on the team I asked were not doing this, and as
> a result their builds were 2-3x slower.
>
> -Ben
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mike Belshe wrote:
>
>> I've been using VS2008 on Win7 for the last month or so.
>>
>> I hate it.
>>
>> Problems:
>>
>> 1) Stepping in the debugger is SOOO slow. I am thinking about going
>> back to VS2005.
>> 2) If you turn on Intellisense, it crashes like crazy very regularly.
>> I've turned off intellisense, but it is a big loss in productivity to do so
>>
>> I strongly recommend against VS2008; do others have these problems?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Ben Goodger (Google)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> FYI.
>>>
>>> VS2008 builds with /MP by default, and it's well supported, so when
>>> present there's no reason for us to not use it by default. Note that you can
>>> still force VS2005 by setting GYP_MSVS_VERSION=2005 in your environment.
>>>
>>> Thanks Brad!
>>>
>>> -Ben
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From:
>>> Date: Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:26 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present.
>>> To: bradnel...@google.com
>>> Cc: gyp-develo...@googlegroups.com
>>>
>>>
>>> LGTM
>>>
>>>
>>> http://codereview.chromium.org/341041
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> >
>
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[chromium-dev] Re: Fwd: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present.
Yes, this was widely publicized when discovered, yet most people won't make
the change if it's not the default.
-Ben
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Jeremy Orlow wrote:
> From http://dev.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/build-instructions-windows
>
> Ensure that /MP is enabled. You can do this by creating a file called inc
> lude.gypi which contains the following lines:
>{
> 'variables': {
>'msvs_multi_core_compile': 1
> }
>}
>
> Put this file in a folder called .gyp under your home directory. On
> Windows, this will be something like: C:\Documents and
> Settings\\.gyp\include.gypi, or if you are on Vista:
> C:\Users\\.gyp\include.gypi. Make sure you run"gclient runhooks
> --force" after creating this file to rebuild the project files, forcing
> GYP to output /MP.
>
>
>
> Btw, A month or two back someone posted build times from 2005 and 2008.
> 2005 was faster.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Ben Goodger (Google)
> wrote:
>
>> It does seem slower, however never having to remember to patch the
>> appropriate vsprops/gypi with /MP is a big win. When I was ordering the new
>> machines I found most people on the team I asked were not doing this, and as
>> a result their builds were 2-3x slower.
>>
>> -Ben
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mike Belshe wrote:
>>
>>> I've been using VS2008 on Win7 for the last month or so.
>>>
>>> I hate it.
>>>
>>> Problems:
>>>
>>> 1) Stepping in the debugger is SOOO slow. I am thinking about going
>>> back to VS2005.
>>> 2) If you turn on Intellisense, it crashes like crazy very regularly.
>>> I've turned off intellisense, but it is a big loss in productivity to do so
>>>
>>> I strongly recommend against VS2008; do others have these problems?
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Ben Goodger (Google)
>>> wrote:
>>>
FYI.
VS2008 builds with /MP by default, and it's well supported, so when
present there's no reason for us to not use it by default. Note that you
can
still force VS2005 by setting GYP_MSVS_VERSION=2005 in your environment.
Thanks Brad!
-Ben
-- Forwarded message --
From:
Date: Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present.
To: bradnel...@google.com
Cc: gyp-develo...@googlegroups.com
LGTM
http://codereview.chromium.org/341041
>>>
>>
>> >>
>>
>
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[chromium-dev] Re: Fwd: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present.
Here are the fixes for your debugger sluggishness problems: Bind this macro to F7 http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/WindowsVisualStudioMacros?ts=1256870705&updated=WindowsVisualStudioMacros#Only_build_startup_project and bind this macro to F5 http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/WindowsVisualStudioMacros?ts=1256870705&updated=WindowsVisualStudioMacros#Use_as_your_debugger Now you have a fast debugger! :D And now I can go to sleep. M-A On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 6:34 PM, John Abd-El-Malek wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Finnur Thorarinsson > wrote: > >> >> > I was just about to reply and say the same thing (on Win 7). It would >> take me 2-3 seconds each time I step over a line. I couldn't use it anymore >> and switched back to VS 2005. >> >> Isn't the stepping speed affected by things like what you have in your >> Watch window and what conditional breakpoints you have set, or something? >> >> Anyway, you've probably gone through this thought exercise many times... >> Just thought I'd mention it. >> > > This was an apple-to-apple comparison, only a few breakpoints in both, > fresh build, both on SSD etc. > > >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 14:51, John Abd-El-Malek wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mike Belshe wrote: >>> I've been using VS2008 on Win7 for the last month or so. I hate it. Problems: 1) Stepping in the debugger is SOOO slow. I am thinking about going back to VS2005. >>> >>> I was just about to reply and say the same thing (on Win 7). It would >>> take me 2-3 seconds each time I step over a line. I couldn't use it anymore >>> and switched back to VS 2005. >>> >>> 2) If you turn on Intellisense, it crashes like crazy very regularly. I've turned off intellisense, but it is a big loss in productivity to do so I strongly recommend against VS2008; do others have these problems? Mike On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Ben Goodger (Google) >>> > wrote: > FYI. > > VS2008 builds with /MP by default, and it's well supported, so when > present there's no reason for us to not use it by default. Note that you > can > still force VS2005 by setting GYP_MSVS_VERSION=2005 in your environment. > > Thanks Brad! > > -Ben > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: > Date: Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:26 PM > Subject: Re: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present. > To: bradnel...@google.com > Cc: gyp-develo...@googlegroups.com > > > LGTM > > > http://codereview.chromium.org/341041 > > > > >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Fwd: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present.
After thinking about it, just setting in Debugging properties: Command = c:\program files\Debugging Tools for Windows (x86)\windbg.exe Command Arguments = -o $(TargetPath) is way simpler, then you just use Ctrl-F5 to start debugging your app! M-A On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Marc-Antoine Ruel wrote: > Here are the fixes for your debugger sluggishness problems: > > Bind this macro to F7 > > http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/WindowsVisualStudioMacros?ts=1256870705&updated=WindowsVisualStudioMacros#Only_build_startup_project > > and bind this macro to F5 > > http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/WindowsVisualStudioMacros?ts=1256870705&updated=WindowsVisualStudioMacros#Use_as_your_debugger > > Now you have a fast debugger! :D > > And now I can go to sleep. > > M-A > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 6:34 PM, John Abd-El-Malek wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Finnur Thorarinsson > > wrote: >> >>> >>> > I was just about to reply and say the same thing (on Win 7). It would >>> take me 2-3 seconds each time I step over a line. I couldn't use it anymore >>> and switched back to VS 2005. >>> >>> Isn't the stepping speed affected by things like what you have in your >>> Watch window and what conditional breakpoints you have set, or something? >>> >>> Anyway, you've probably gone through this thought exercise many times... >>> Just thought I'd mention it. >>> >> >> This was an apple-to-apple comparison, only a few breakpoints in both, >> fresh build, both on SSD etc. >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 14:51, John Abd-El-Malek wrote: >>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mike Belshe wrote: > I've been using VS2008 on Win7 for the last month or so. > > I hate it. > > Problems: > > 1) Stepping in the debugger is SOOO slow. I am thinking about > going back to VS2005. > I was just about to reply and say the same thing (on Win 7). It would take me 2-3 seconds each time I step over a line. I couldn't use it anymore and switched back to VS 2005. > 2) If you turn on Intellisense, it crashes like crazy very regularly. > I've turned off intellisense, but it is a big loss in productivity to do > so > > I strongly recommend against VS2008; do others have these problems? > > Mike > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Ben Goodger (Google) < > b...@chromium.org> wrote: > >> FYI. >> >> VS2008 builds with /MP by default, and it's well supported, so when >> present there's no reason for us to not use it by default. Note that you >> can >> still force VS2005 by setting GYP_MSVS_VERSION=2005 in your environment. >> >> Thanks Brad! >> >> -Ben >> >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: >> Date: Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:26 PM >> Subject: Re: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present. >> To: bradnel...@google.com >> Cc: gyp-develo...@googlegroups.com >> >> >> LGTM >> >> >> http://codereview.chromium.org/341041 >> >> >> >> > > > >>> >> >> >> >> > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[chromium-dev] Re: Fwd: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present.
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:34 PM, John Abd-El-Malek wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Finnur Thorarinsson > wrote: > >> >> > I was just about to reply and say the same thing (on Win 7). It would >> take me 2-3 seconds each time I step over a line. I couldn't use it anymore >> and switched back to VS 2005. >> >> Isn't the stepping speed affected by things like what you have in your >> Watch window and what conditional breakpoints you have set, or something? >> >> Anyway, you've probably gone through this thought exercise many times... >> Just thought I'd mention it. >> > > This was an apple-to-apple comparison, only a few breakpoints in both, > fresh build, both on SSD etc. > I don't think it has anything to do with the watch window; it is just unbearable - I'd say about 1-1.5seconds per step. > > >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 14:51, John Abd-El-Malek wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mike Belshe wrote: >>> I've been using VS2008 on Win7 for the last month or so. I hate it. Problems: 1) Stepping in the debugger is SOOO slow. I am thinking about going back to VS2005. >>> >>> I was just about to reply and say the same thing (on Win 7). It would >>> take me 2-3 seconds each time I step over a line. I couldn't use it anymore >>> and switched back to VS 2005. >>> >>> 2) If you turn on Intellisense, it crashes like crazy very regularly. I've turned off intellisense, but it is a big loss in productivity to do so I strongly recommend against VS2008; do others have these problems? Mike On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Ben Goodger (Google) >>> > wrote: > FYI. > > VS2008 builds with /MP by default, and it's well supported, so when > present there's no reason for us to not use it by default. Note that you > can > still force VS2005 by setting GYP_MSVS_VERSION=2005 in your environment. > > Thanks Brad! > > -Ben > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: > Date: Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:26 PM > Subject: Re: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present. > To: bradnel...@google.com > Cc: gyp-develo...@googlegroups.com > > > LGTM > > > http://codereview.chromium.org/341041 > > > > >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [chromium-dev] Re: Fwd: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present.
Yuck, I experienced the same gut-wrenchingly slow single stepping problem! The problem was the "Autos" view. VS 2008 "conveniently" turns this on by default, but it is crazy slow. Even if it doesn't have focus, it will pause to update it after each step. Go ahead and right click on "Autos" and select Hide. The evil "Autos" it is near the "Locals" tab. It should be as zippy as 2005 now On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Mike Belshe wrote: > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:34 PM, John Abd-El-Malek wrote: >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Finnur Thorarinsson >> wrote: >>> >>> > I was just about to reply and say the same thing (on Win 7). It would >>> > take me 2-3 seconds each time I step over a line. I couldn't use it >>> > anymore >>> > and switched back to VS 2005. >>> Isn't the stepping speed affected by things like what you have in your >>> Watch window and what conditional breakpoints you have set, or something? >>> Anyway, you've probably gone through this thought exercise many times... >>> Just thought I'd mention it. >> >> This was an apple-to-apple comparison, only a few breakpoints in both, >> fresh build, both on SSD etc. > > I don't think it has anything to do with the watch window; it is just > unbearable - I'd say about 1-1.5seconds per step. > >> >> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 14:51, John Abd-El-Malek >>> wrote: On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mike Belshe wrote: > > I've been using VS2008 on Win7 for the last month or so. > I hate it. > Problems: > 1) Stepping in the debugger is SOOO slow. I am thinking about > going back to VS2005. I was just about to reply and say the same thing (on Win 7). It would take me 2-3 seconds each time I step over a line. I couldn't use it anymore and switched back to VS 2005. > > 2) If you turn on Intellisense, it crashes like crazy very regularly. > I've turned off intellisense, but it is a big loss in productivity to do > so > I strongly recommend against VS2008; do others have these problems? > Mike > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Ben Goodger (Google) > wrote: >> >> FYI. >> VS2008 builds with /MP by default, and it's well supported, so when >> present there's no reason for us to not use it by default. Note that you >> can >> still force VS2005 by setting GYP_MSVS_VERSION=2005 in your environment. >> Thanks Brad! >> -Ben >> >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: >> Date: Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:26 PM >> Subject: Re: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present. >> To: bradnel...@google.com >> Cc: gyp-develo...@googlegroups.com >> >> >> LGTM >> >> http://codereview.chromium.org/341041 >> >> >> > > > >>> >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ > Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com > View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: > http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev > > -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- > > -- Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev
Re: [chromium-dev] Re: Fwd: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present.
Ah, I always close it instinctively. :) /me who is always shocked by people keeping the two useless right-side box on their IDE, the server db and the toolbox. That's totally 16 pixels wasted. M-A On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Eric Roman wrote: > Yuck, I experienced the same gut-wrenchingly slow single stepping problem! > > The problem was the "Autos" view. > > VS 2008 "conveniently" turns this on by default, but it is crazy slow. > Even if it doesn't have focus, it will pause to update it after each step. > > Go ahead and right click on "Autos" and select Hide. > The evil "Autos" it is near the "Locals" tab. > > It should be as zippy as 2005 now > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Mike Belshe wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:34 PM, John Abd-El-Malek wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Finnur Thorarinsson >>> wrote: > I was just about to reply and say the same thing (on Win 7). It would > take me 2-3 seconds each time I step over a line. I couldn't use it > anymore > and switched back to VS 2005. Isn't the stepping speed affected by things like what you have in your Watch window and what conditional breakpoints you have set, or something? Anyway, you've probably gone through this thought exercise many times... Just thought I'd mention it. >>> >>> This was an apple-to-apple comparison, only a few breakpoints in both, >>> fresh build, both on SSD etc. >> >> I don't think it has anything to do with the watch window; it is just >> unbearable - I'd say about 1-1.5seconds per step. >> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 14:51, John Abd-El-Malek wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mike Belshe wrote: >> >> I've been using VS2008 on Win7 for the last month or so. >> I hate it. >> Problems: >> 1) Stepping in the debugger is SOOO slow. I am thinking about >> going back to VS2005. > > I was just about to reply and say the same thing (on Win 7). It would > take me 2-3 seconds each time I step over a line. I couldn't use it > anymore > and switched back to VS 2005. > >> >> 2) If you turn on Intellisense, it crashes like crazy very regularly. >> I've turned off intellisense, but it is a big loss in productivity to >> do so >> I strongly recommend against VS2008; do others have these problems? >> Mike >> >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Ben Goodger (Google) >> wrote: >>> >>> FYI. >>> VS2008 builds with /MP by default, and it's well supported, so when >>> present there's no reason for us to not use it by default. Note that >>> you can >>> still force VS2005 by setting GYP_MSVS_VERSION=2005 in your environment. >>> Thanks Brad! >>> -Ben >>> >>> -- Forwarded message -- >>> From: >>> Date: Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:26 PM >>> Subject: Re: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present. >>> To: bradnel...@google.com >>> Cc: gyp-develo...@googlegroups.com >>> >>> >>> LGTM >>> >>> http://codereview.chromium.org/341041 >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > >>> >> >> >> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ >> Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com >> View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: >> http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev >> >> -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- >> >> > > -- > Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com > View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: > http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev > -- Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev
Re: [chromium-dev] Re: Fwd: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present.
Thank you! That was it. VS 2008 is now fast and I've switched back. On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Eric Roman wrote: > Yuck, I experienced the same gut-wrenchingly slow single stepping problem! > > The problem was the "Autos" view. > > VS 2008 "conveniently" turns this on by default, but it is crazy slow. > Even if it doesn't have focus, it will pause to update it after each step. > > Go ahead and right click on "Autos" and select Hide. > The evil "Autos" it is near the "Locals" tab. > > It should be as zippy as 2005 now > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Mike Belshe wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:34 PM, John Abd-El-Malek > wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Finnur Thorarinsson < > fin...@chromium.org> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> > I was just about to reply and say the same thing (on Win 7). It > would > >>> > take me 2-3 seconds each time I step over a line. I couldn't use it > anymore > >>> > and switched back to VS 2005. > >>> Isn't the stepping speed affected by things like what you have in your > >>> Watch window and what conditional breakpoints you have set, or > something? > >>> Anyway, you've probably gone through this thought exercise many > times... > >>> Just thought I'd mention it. > >> > >> This was an apple-to-apple comparison, only a few breakpoints in both, > >> fresh build, both on SSD etc. > > > > I don't think it has anything to do with the watch window; it is just > > unbearable - I'd say about 1-1.5seconds per step. > > > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 14:51, John Abd-El-Malek > >>> wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mike Belshe > wrote: > > > > I've been using VS2008 on Win7 for the last month or so. > > I hate it. > > Problems: > > 1) Stepping in the debugger is SOOO slow. I am thinking about > > going back to VS2005. > > I was just about to reply and say the same thing (on Win 7). It would > take me 2-3 seconds each time I step over a line. I couldn't use it > anymore > and switched back to VS 2005. > > > > > 2) If you turn on Intellisense, it crashes like crazy very regularly. > > I've turned off intellisense, but it is a big loss in productivity > to do so > > I strongly recommend against VS2008; do others have these problems? > > Mike > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Ben Goodger (Google) > > wrote: > >> > >> FYI. > >> VS2008 builds with /MP by default, and it's well supported, so when > >> present there's no reason for us to not use it by default. Note that > you can > >> still force VS2005 by setting GYP_MSVS_VERSION=2005 in your > environment. > >> Thanks Brad! > >> -Ben > >> > >> -- Forwarded message -- > >> From: > >> Date: Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 2:26 PM > >> Subject: Re: Switching vs2008 to be preferred when present. > >> To: bradnel...@google.com > >> Cc: gyp-develo...@googlegroups.com > >> > >> > >> LGTM > >> > >> http://codereview.chromium.org/341041 > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ > > Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com > > View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: > > http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev > > > > -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- > > > > > -- Chromium Developers mailing list: chromium-dev@googlegroups.com View archives, change email options, or unsubscribe: http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev
