RE: [ChurchillChat] Has this photo been reproduced anywhere?

[Cita Stelzer]

Many thanks!

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To: ChurchillChat 
Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] Has this photo been reproduced anywhere?

Also Finest Hour 142 page 28. California trip, 1929. Widely distributed press 
photo, doubt Alamy has exclusive rights.
On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 1:35:04 PM UTC-4 Barbara wrote:
A Google search resulted in this:

https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1=en=simg:CAES_1wEJgaJV5E2UkuIa8wELELCMpwgaOgo4CAQSFKwYuCyTM4sC5ivaCKM2tQqtNJkMGhqpvElKrDR8B-dI92UYieiHxm1_1EL7Req-TbCAFMAQMCxCOrv4IGgoKCAgBEgSzrWSwDAsQne3BCRqTAQoZCgZza2V0Y2japYj2AwsKCS9tLzA3Z2x6cQoUCgNhcnTapYj2AwkKBy9tLzBqancKHwoMaWxsdXN0cmF0aW9u2qWI9gMLCgkvbS8wMWtyOGYKGgoIcGFpbnRpbmfapYj2AwoKCC9tLzA1cWRoCiMKEHZpbnRhZ2UgY2xvdGhpbmfapYj2AwsKCS9tLzA4djRnaAw=ALiCzsY9DsPjc-HIPnAMg4MxdFZqxvxUfA:1658597624170=sketch=isch=X=2ahUKEwis2NrRxY_5AhUljYkEHYiOBEYQjJkEegQIIxAC=1030=692=2.2


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[ChurchillChat] Has this photo been reproduced anywhere?

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RE: [ChurchillChat] When France Fell: The Vichy Crisis and the Fate of the Anglo-American Alliance

[Cita Stelzer]

Just ordered it. Thanks for the suggestion.
Cita Stelzer

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Subject: [ChurchillChat] When France Fell: The Vichy Crisis and the Fate of the 
Anglo-American Alliance

Dear All,

A new book which is bound to have substantial Churchill content :

When France Fell: The Vichy Crisis and the Fate of the Anglo-American Alliance 
by Michael S. Neiberg | Oct 29, 2021

“An utterly gripping account, the best to date, of relations within the 
turbulent triumvirate of France, Britain, and America in the Second World War. 
Neiberg vividly brings to life the extraordinary military, domestic, personal, 
and political pressures on giants such as Franklin Roosevelt, Winston 
Churchill, and Charles de Gaulle, while also showing the immediate practical 
effect their interactions had on ordinary people in the struggle against the 
Nazis.”
―Andrew Roberts, author of Churchill: Walking with Destiny

https://www.amazon.com/When-France-Fell-Anglo-American-Alliance/dp/0674258568/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=When+France+Fell%3A+The+Vichy+Crisis+and+the+Fate+of+the+Anglo-American+Alliance=1636920311=135-9172786-8688167=books=1-1=B09KHK4PRX=ABIS_BOOK


With all best wishes,

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[ChurchillChat] to quote WSC

[Cita Stelzer]

Oh, frabjous day!
James Mueller's The River War arrived today.
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RE: [ChurchillChat] Re: Churchill's speech in Metz in July 1946

[Cita Stelzer]

Geoffrey Best's "A Study in Greatness", paperback edition p 283, has the Metz 
speech on 14 July.
Cita

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Subject: [ChurchillChat] Re: Churchill's speech in Metz in July 1946

Dear All,

I am continuing with my English version of my Dictionnaire Churchill.

I am now tackling "Churchill and 'Europe' ", and I stumble upon a difficulty 
which I had not spotted when preparing the French edition :

Did his speech in Metz take place on 14 or 15 July 1946 ?

His collection of speeches for 1946, _The Sinews of War_ says 14 (p.171) - so 
does RR James in his Complete Speeches (p. 7357), probably culled from _The 
Sinews of War_, however.

But the OB reads : "Churchill spoke, first in Luxembourg on July 14, and on the 
following day in Metz".

Gilbert, Martin. Winston S. Churchill: Never Despair, 1945–1965 (Volume VIII, 
p. 246).

Is there any way to tell who is right ?

With all best wishes,

Antoine CAPET, FRHistS
Professor emeritus of British Studies
University of Rouen
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RE: [ChurchillChat] The River War

[Cita Stelzer]

Dave,
I just ordered a copy from St Augustine’s and they said shipping 
May 17th or so.
Cita


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Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] The River War

The second printing is scheduled for late this month (May), which means 
delivery in June.

HOWEVER: The second printing has already sold out in advance, and the printer 
refused the publisher's request to increase the size of the second printing. 
This means that if you have still not ordered the book, you will not be able to 
obtain a copy until there has been a third printing, which will not happen 
until the summer.

David
On Thursday, May 6, 2021, 3:22:58 PM PDT, Lee Pollock 
mailto:gordonleepoll...@gmail.com>> wrote:


They're saying Juneno one expected the first printing to sell out so 
fastuntil Andrew's glowing review appeared in the Journal.

On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 5:13 PM Cita Stelzer 
mailto:c...@irwinstelzer.com>> wrote:

Any news on the date for publication of the second printing?
We are all waiting to order a copy – or 2….

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[ChurchillChat] The River War

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Any news on the date for publication of the second printing?
We are all waiting to order a copy - or 2
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[ChurchillChat] What do we know about this tv show?

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/tv/14466107/churchill-channel-5-when-what-time/




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RE: [ChurchillChat] Re: Churchill and Hankey Bannister whisky

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Nothing in my researches re this whisky (or whiskey depending on where you are).
Wikipedia says WSC liked it but no source. It might be possible of course as 
they were London-based. All this according to Wikipedia. For what that’s worth.
Sorry.
Cita Stelzer

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Subject: [ChurchillChat] Re: Churchill and Hankey Bannister whisky

Dear All,

A French colleague tells me that he has read somewhere that Churchill 
appreciated Hankey Bannister whisky.

I have never heard that before (neither have I heard of that brand).

Any comments would be most welcome. I would then pass them on to him.

With all best wishes,

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RE: [ChurchillChat] Re: Oh dear

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Well done again, Richard
Many thanks from all of us.
Cita

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Subject: [ChurchillChat] Re: Oh dear

Cita,
I have replied to this story in a letter to Montgomery County Superintendent of 
Schools Jack Smith, copy to the reporter at Bethesda Magazine, and sent you a 
copy. Anyone else wishing a copy please email 
rich...@langworth.name<mailto:rich...@langworth.name>

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RE: [ChurchillChat] Clop / Klop / Kloppe

[Cita Stelzer]

Thanks, David.
Cheers,
Cita

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Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 3:36 AM
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] Clop / Klop / Kloppe

I don’t think so! 

As a an ex-Chartwell volunteer and ‘story’ researcher, we always spelt it 
‘klop’. There are many references to Churchill and klop on Google, whereas none 
relating to ‘clop’. Neither word has a dictionary definition in this context, 
but the definition of ‘clop’ gives a hint to Churchill’s usage of the word, 
being the noise made by a horse’s hoof, and that this might be considered 
similar to the noise made by a hole punch.

Just IMHO.

David Riddle
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> On 23 Dec 2019, at 23:14, Cita Stelzer  wrote:
> 
> Are we agreed then that it is clop and not klop?
> Cita Stelzer
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Antoine Capet' via ChurchillChat 
> 
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 2:21 PM
> To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] Clop / Klop / Kloppe
> 
> RE: [ChurchillChat] Re: Mysterious young man in _Darkest Hour_ 
> filmDear Dave,
> 
> Many thanks for this correct identification of the young man in the 
> film
> 
> You mention "Clop" : if you have Elizabeth Nel (née Layton)'s memoirs, there 
> is a marvellous anecdote about it :
> 
> The confusion between the contraption and Kloppe's "fifteen volumes" (p. 14 
> of the 2007 reprint).
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> A.C.
> ===
> 
> From: 'Dave Turrell' via ChurchillChat
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 7:53 PM
> To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] Re: Mysterious young man in _Darkest 
> Hour_ film
> 
> 
> Dear Antoine,
> 
> You can find the script for the film at 
> https://www.scriptslug.com/assets/uploads/scripts/darkest-hour-2017.pd
> f
> 
> 
> 
> A quick search seems to indicate that the character in question is 
> John Evans - Churchill's private secretary.  (Not sure if that's a 'real'
> character - I bet Richard knows :-).  Played by Joe Armstrong.
> 
> the TRAY passes by - WINSTON’s PRIVATE SECRETARY, JOHN EVANS (35), as 
> he schools the NEW YOUNG SECRETARY, ELIZABETH LAYTON. Evans, an 
> immaculately-groomed rake, snobbishly thinks himself infinitely 
> superior to the Elizabeth Laytons of the world.
> 
> JOHN EVANS(to ELIZABETH)...and if he stretches out his hand and says, 
> “Gimme”, you need to anticipate what he wants -  black pen, red pen, 
> paper, or “Clop”, that’s his hole punch.
> 
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Antoine Capet' via ChurchillChat 
> [mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 5:59 AM
> To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [ChurchillChat] Re: Mysterious young man in _Darkest Hour_ 
> film
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> I am preparing an article on _Darkest Hour_ for a French publication 
> and I am puzzled by a character in the film.
> 
> There is a young man who is often seen near Churchill, and he 
> initially shows Miss Layton round the 'War Rooms', but he is not named 
> – I thought he was Jock Colville. But then, there is no ‘Jock Colville’ in 
> the cast.
> 
> On the other hand, there is a ‘Tom Leonard’ in the cast whose name 
> does not suggest anything to me. ‘Tom Leonard’ is played by Eric 
> MacLennan – but his photographs on Google do not look like the young 
> man I mistook for Jock Colville.
> 
> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4555426/fullcredits
> 
> All very puzzling! I wonder who that young man is supposed to be!
> 
> Enlightenment most welcome.
> 
> With best wishes to all,
> 
> Antoine CAPET, FRHistS
> 
> Professor emeritus of British Studies
> 
> University of Rouen
> 
> 76821 Mont-Saint-Aignan
> 
> France
> 
> antoine.ca...@univ-rouen.fr
> 
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> 
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RE: [ChurchillChat] Clop / Klop / Kloppe

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Are we agreed then that it is clop and not klop?
Cita Stelzer

-Original Message-
From: 'Antoine Capet' via ChurchillChat  
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 2:21 PM
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] Clop / Klop / Kloppe

RE: [ChurchillChat] Re: Mysterious young man in _Darkest Hour_ filmDear Dave,

Many thanks for this correct identification of the young man in the film

You mention "Clop" : if you have Elizabeth Nel (née Layton)'s memoirs, there is 
a marvellous anecdote about it :

The confusion between the contraption and Kloppe's "fifteen volumes" (p. 14 of 
the 2007 reprint).

Best wishes,

A.C.
===

From: 'Dave Turrell' via ChurchillChat
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 7:53 PM
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] Re: Mysterious young man in _Darkest Hour_ film


Dear Antoine,

You can find the script for the film at 
https://www.scriptslug.com/assets/uploads/scripts/darkest-hour-2017.pdf



A quick search seems to indicate that the character in question is John 
Evans - Churchill's private secretary.  (Not sure if that's a 'real' 
character - I bet Richard knows :-).  Played by Joe Armstrong.

the TRAY passes by - WINSTON’s PRIVATE SECRETARY, JOHN EVANS (35), as he 
schools the NEW YOUNG SECRETARY, ELIZABETH LAYTON. Evans, an 
immaculately-groomed rake, snobbishly thinks himself infinitely superior to 
the Elizabeth Laytons of the world.

JOHN EVANS(to ELIZABETH)...and if he stretches out his hand and says, 
 “Gimme”, you need to anticipate what he wants -  black pen, red pen, paper, 
or “Clop”, that’s his hole punch.



Best,

Dave





-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 5:59 AM
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com
Subject: [ChurchillChat] Re: Mysterious young man in _Darkest Hour_ film

Dear All,

I am preparing an article on _Darkest Hour_ for a French publication and I 
am puzzled by a character in the film.

There is a young man who is often seen near Churchill, and he initially 
shows Miss Layton round the 'War Rooms', but he is not named – I thought he 
was Jock Colville. But then, there is no ‘Jock Colville’ in the cast.

On the other hand, there is a ‘Tom Leonard’ in the cast whose name does not 
suggest anything to me. ‘Tom Leonard’ is played by Eric MacLennan – but his 
photographs on Google do not look like the young man I mistook for Jock 
Colville.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4555426/fullcredits

All very puzzling! I wonder who that young man is supposed to be!

Enlightenment most welcome.

With best wishes to all,

Antoine CAPET, FRHistS

Professor emeritus of British Studies

University of Rouen

76821 Mont-Saint-Aignan

France

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RE: [ChurchillChat] Re: Mysterious young man in _Darkest Hour_ film

[Cita Stelzer]

And you can read all about Elizabeth Layton in my recent book, Working With 
Winston. She always knew what WSC wanted. And I thought it was klop with a K 
and not a C.
Cita

From: 'Dave Turrell' via ChurchillChat 
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 11:53 AM
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] Re: Mysterious young man in _Darkest Hour_ film


Dear Antoine,

You can find the script for the film at 
https://www.scriptslug.com/assets/uploads/scripts/darkest-hour-2017.pdf

A quick search seems to indicate that the character in question is John Evans - 
Churchill's private secretary.  (Not sure if that's a 'real' character - I bet 
Richard knows :-).  Played by Joe Armstrong.

the TRAY passes by - WINSTON’s PRIVATE SECRETARY, JOHN EVANS (35), as he 
schools the NEW YOUNG SECRETARY, ELIZABETH LAYTON. Evans, an 
immaculately-groomed rake, snobbishly thinks himself infinitely superior to the 
Elizabeth Laytons of the world.

JOHN EVANS(to ELIZABETH)...and if he stretches out his hand and says, “Gimme”, 
you need to anticipate what he wants -  black pen, red pen, paper, or “Clop”, 
that’s his hole punch.

Best,

Dave

-Original Message-
From: 'Antoine Capet' via ChurchillChat [mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 5:59 AM
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com
Subject: [ChurchillChat] Re: Mysterious young man in _Darkest Hour_ film

Dear All,

I am preparing an article on _Darkest Hour_ for a French publication and I am 
puzzled by a character in the film.

There is a young man who is often seen near Churchill, and he initially shows 
Miss Layton round the 'War Rooms', but he is not named – I thought he was Jock 
Colville. But then, there is no ‘Jock Colville’ in the cast.

On the other hand, there is a ‘Tom Leonard’ in the cast whose name does not 
suggest anything to me. ‘Tom Leonard’ is played by Eric MacLennan – but his 
photographs on Google do not look like the young man I mistook for Jock 
Colville.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4555426/fullcredits

All very puzzling! I wonder who that young man is supposed to be!

Enlightenment most welcome.

With best wishes to all,

Antoine CAPET, FRHistS

Professor emeritus of British Studies

University of Rouen

76821 Mont-Saint-Aignan

France

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RE: [ChurchillChat] Re: The Churchill Documents ("concordance")

[Cita Stelzer]

Thank you SO much, Antoine!
Cita

From: 'Antoine Capet' via ChurchillChat 
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 7:38 AM
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com
Subject: [ChurchillChat] Re: The Churchill Documents ("concordance")

Dear All,

Our recent discussion on the ‘Official Biography’ prompted me to tackle a job 
which I have had in mind for a long time.

Even though vols. 22 & 23 of The Churchill Documents will only appear later 
this year, I hope the compilation below will prove useful to List Members.


With all best wishes,

Antoine CAPET, FRHistS
Professor emeritus of British Studies
University of Rouen
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THE ‘OFFICIAL BIOGRAPHY’
WINSTON S. CHURCHILL
1966-2019

Volume I. Winston S. Churchill : Youth, 1874-1900, by Randolph S. Churchill.
London : Heinemann (Boston : Houghton Mifflin), 1966.
xxxvi, 608 p., [32] p. of plates ; ill., facsims., maps, ports. ; index ; 24 cm.
[+Two ‘Companions’ infra]

Volume II. Winston S. Churchill : Young Statesman,1901-1914, by Randolph S. 
Churchill.
London : Heinemann (Boston : Houghton Mifflin), 1967.
xxix, 775 p, [33] p. of plates ; ill., facsims., maps, ports. ; index; 24 cm.
[+Three ‘Companions’ infra]

Volume III. Winston S. Churchill : The Challenge of War, 1914-1916, by Martin 
Gilbert.
London : Heinemann (Boston : Houghton Mifflin), 1971.
xxxvii, 988 p. [33] p. plates ; ill., facsims., maps, ports. ; index ; 24 cm
[+Two ‘Companions’ infra]

Volume IV. Winston S. Churchill : World in Torment, 1916-1922, by Martin 
Gilbert.
London : Heinemann (Boston : Houghton Mifflin), 1975.
xvi, 967 p., [1] leaf of plate, [32] p. of plates ; ill., maps, ports ; index ; 
 24 cm.
[+Three ‘Companions’ infra]

Volume V. Winston S. Churchill : The Prophet of Truth, 1922-1939, by Martin 
Gilbert.
London : Heinemann (Boston : Houghton Mifflin), 1976.
xxvii, 1167 p., [1] leaf of plates, [32] p. of plates ; ill., ports. ; index ; 
24 cm.
[+Three ‘Companions’ infra]

Volume VI. Winston S. Churchill : Finest Hour, 1939-1941, by Martin Gilbert.
London : Heinemann (Boston : Houghton Mifflin), 1983.
xx, 1308 p., [25] p. of plates ; ill., ports. ; index ; 24 cm.
[+Three ‘Churchill War Papers’ volumes infra]

Volume VII. Winston S. Churchill : Road to Victory, 1941-1945, by Martin 
Gilbert.
London : Heineman (Boston : Houghton Mifflin), 1986.
xx, 1417p., [24] p. of plates ; ill., maps, ports. ; index ; 24 cm.
[+Five ‘Churchill Documents’ volumes infra]

Volume VIII. Winston S. Churchill : Never Despair, 1945-1965, by Martin Gilbert.
London : Heinemann (Boston : Houghton Mifflin), 1988.
xxvii, 1438 p, [24] p. of plates ; ill, maps, ports ; index ; 24 cm.
[+Two ‘Churchill Documents’ volumes infra]

NB 1: All these titles have been reissued with the same pagination by the 
Hillsdale College Press, Hillsdale (Michigan). Also available in electronic 
format.

NB 2: The London : Minerva, 1989-1991 paperback reissues have been omitted.



COMPANIONS, WAR PAPERS & DOCUMENT VOLUMES

C The numbers in square brackets [N°x] refer to the full Hillsdale College 
Press The Churchill Documents reissues (with the same pagination) [N°1-16] or 
new volumes [N°17-21 + 22-23 (forthcoming)].


For Volume I (Two ‘Companions’) :
[N°1] Winston S. Churchill. Volume I : Companion. Part 1 : 1874-1896. (Edited) 
by Randolph S. Churchill. London : Heinemann (Boston : Houghton Mifflin), 1967.
xxi, 678 p. ; 24 cm.
[N°2] Winston S. Churchill. Volume I : Companion. Part 2 : 1896-1900. (Edited) 
by Randolph S. Churchill. London : Heinemann (Boston : Houghton Mifflin), 1967.
[6], 611 p. ; index ; 24 cm.

For Volume II (Three ‘Companions’) :
[N°3] Winston S. Churchill. Volume II : Companion. Part 1 : 1901-1907. (Edited) 
by Randolph S. Churchill. London : Heinemann (Boston : Houghton Mifflin), 1969.
xxix, 675 p. ; 24 cm.
[N°4] Winston S. Churchill. Volume II : Companion. Part 2 : 1907-1911. (Edited) 
by Randolph S. Churchill. London : Heinemann (Boston : Houghton Mifflin), 1969.
vii, 697 p. ; 24 cm.
[N°5] Winston S. Churchill. Volume II : Companion. Part 3 : 1911-1914. (Edited) 
by Randolph S. Churchill. London : Heinemann (Boston : Houghton Mifflin), 1969.
vii, 776 p. ; index ; 24 cm.

For Volume III (Two ‘Companions’) :
[N°6] Winston S. Churchill. Volume II : Companion. Part 1 : Documents, July 
1914-April 1915. (Edited) by Martin Gilbert. London : Heinemann (Boston : 
Houghton Mifflin), 1972.
xi, 838 p. ; 24 cm.
[N°7] Winston S. Churchill. Volume II : Companion. Part 1 : Documents, May 
1915-December 1916. (Edited) by Martin Gilbert. London : Heinemann (Boston : 
Houghton Mifflin), 1972.
vi, 847 p. ; index ; 24 cm.

For Volume IV (Three ‘Companions’) :
[N°8] Winston S. Churchill. Volume IV : Companion. Part 1 : Documents, January 
1917-June 1919. (Edited) 

RE: [ChurchillChat] The Churchill Documents ("concordance")

[Cita Stelzer]

This is SO useful for all of us!


-Original Message-
From: 'Antoine Capet' via ChurchillChat  
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 9:43 AM
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] The Churchill Documents ("concordance")

Dear Bob,

I believe you can use the following "concordance" :

Companions to OB 1-3 = Hillsdale Churchill Documents 1-7 Companions to OB 4-5 = 
Hillsdale Churchill Documents 8-13 Churchill War Papers (for vol. 6 of the OB) 
= Hillsdale Churchill Documents
14-16
New : Hillsdale Churchill Documents 17-21 = for vol. 7 of the OB New : 
Hillsdale Churchill Documents 22-23 = for vol. 8 of the OB

So, you need to acquire The Churchill Documents 8-23 to have a complete set.

With all best wishes,

Antoine CAPET, FRHistS
Professor emeritus of British Studies
University of Rouen
76821 Mont-Saint-Aignan
France
antoine.ca...@univ-rouen.fr

'Britain since 1914' Section Editor
Royal Historical Society Bibliography

Reviews Editor of CERCLES
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From: 'Bob Allen' via ChurchillChat
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 5:09 PM
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] The Churchill Documents and Future Projects

I have a question for anyone in the group who can help. I have the entire 
8-volume biography. It is from several publishers, so it is in various forms, 
from hard- to paperback. That's okay with me since I am not a collector, just 
an avid reader of the jolly old gent. As long as I have to entire content, I am 
happy. I also have the companion volumes for bio vols. 
1-3. The problem I am having is with the remainder. I know that many are 
available from Hillsdale, but the descriptions don't match this from the 
original bio companions. I also know that I cannot afford the WWII companions 
as I have searched for these and have not found them in my price range (being a 
retired public school teacher). I can, however quite well afford the Hillsdale 
editions. But that is where the confusion over their arrangement and 
descriptions begin to confuse me. Can someone help me so I can once again sleep 
at night rather than lying there in a muddled state? My thanks would be 
profound.


Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android


On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 13:32, 'Peter D. Wrobel' via ChurchillChat 
 wrote:
Speaking of long term projects, does anyone have an update on when the new 
edition of The River War is expected?  Thanks.

Peter Wrobel.


Sent from my iPhone XS Max

On Jun 18, 2019, at 9:33 AM, Richard Langworth 
wrote:


THE END IS NIGH!

Sandy Finlayson writes: "Is there any news on when the next Churchill 
Documents volume will be released?"

The printer expects to ship Volume 22 ("The Opposition Years," August 
1945-October 1951) in July. Let's say availability by September. The final 
Volume 23 ("Never Flinch, Never Weary," November 1951-January 1965) will 
appear in the autumn. Like previous volumes, each will sell for only $60, 
well under cost, but commercial considerations are not the priority. All 
volumes to date are available from Hillsdale College Bookstore.

Both volumes, well over 2500 pages, use a special paper designed to be thin 
enough to bind, but not so thin as to cause "bleed-through" from print on 
the other side.

Late last March, all of us proofreaders, kibitzers and editors read the 
final document (Lady Churchill to Prime Minister Harold Wilson, 9 February 
1965), and suddenly realized: IT'S OVER. The longest biography on the 
planet, 15 million words, has ended, 57 years after Randolph Churchill set 
to work. If he were here, I said on the recent Hillsdale Cruise, he would 
probably say, "What took you so long?"

Well, what took so long was that Martin Gilbert found one huge pile of 
stuff. There is a "wodge" of documents virtually for every day of 
Churchill's life. We had a gala banquet in London to celebrate Randolph, 
Martin, Dr. Larry Arnn and the Great Work, attended by all who had a hand in 
it. Among them was Lady Gilbert (Esther), who spoke eloquently of Martin, 
whose memory we cherish across the years. Her remarks and others will be up 
on winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu shortly. It was a moment.

Now this is not the end, or even the beginning of the end. Plans are afoot 
for further works, including a new edition of the Collected Essays???expanded 
from the original four volumes to many more, thanks to new material in the 
Ronald Cohen collection and the Gilbert Papers, now acquired by Hillsdale. 
Some of it represents an "unknown canon" of obscure Churchill works, not 
seen since first publication. Like the OB, there will be electronic as well 
as print editions, and an expanded online facility to ease research for 
students and scholars.

If anyone would like to help support this great work, and have their name on 
the wall in our new Archives Atrium, please contact me at 
rlangwo...@hillsdale.edu.

Richard M. Langworth CBE
Senior Fellow, Hillsdale 

[ChurchillChat] Peggy Noonan in today's Wall Street Journal

[Cita Stelzer]

Shame on her: to quote:
"Mr. Johnson's [Boris] admirers have the gyrating habit of comparing him to 
Winston Churchill, a flawed outsider with imperfect judgement but the right man 
for 1939. But Churchill was an authentic genius who wrote a masterpiece of the 
English language while drunk and went to war hung over. He was a gigantic 
character. Boris Johnson is merely a big one, and a showman.  ...

Haven't we had enough of the old myth of WSC as a drunk?

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RE: [ChurchillChat] Re: "Alone was never Churchill’s hope or wish"

[Cita Stelzer]

Heseltine (I am no fan of his) was seven years old in 1940.
Cita Stelzer

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From: 'Antoine Capet' via ChurchillChat  
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 1:43 PM
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Subject: [ChurchillChat] Re: "Alone was never Churchill’s hope or wish"

Dear All,

Interesting reference to Churchill and June 1940 by the former Conservative 
minister Michael Heseltine :

As I told marchers at last Saturday’s demonstration in London, I dismiss with 
contempt the image of us as an island wrapped in a union jack, glorying in the 
famous phrase that captured, for so many, Winston Churchill’s spirit of 
defiance in 1940: “Very well, alone”. I was there. I saw our army evacuated, 
our cities bombed, our convoys sunk. Churchill did everything in his power to 
end this isolation. Alone was never Churchill’s hope or wish: 
it was his fear.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/25/theresa-may-leader-name-only-britain-brexit

With all best wishes,

Antoine CAPET, FRHistS
Professor emeritus of British Studies
University of Rouen
76821 Mont-Saint-Aignan
France
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RE: [ChurchillChat] Re: From The Spectator The War on Churchill

[Cita Stelzer]

Bravo, Richard, as always!
Cita


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Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 2:50 PM
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Subject: [ChurchillChat] Re: From The Spectator The War on Churchill

Tweeted and FBk'd:

#Churchill Defenders are welcome, but @BDSixsmith should be more careful. "The 
Churchill Documents" are stuffed with his efforts to ease the Bengal 
Famine—"racial animus" had zero to do with it—and to salvage Polish democracy 
against an implacable Stalin.


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[ChurchillChat] Churchill and Breguet watches

[Cita Stelzer]

Did anyone else see the two-page sepia colour ad - featuring WSC -- for Breguet 
watches - I saw it in Country Life.
It is a gorgeous ad: the main room in a club, portrait of WSC over the 
fireplace, Downing Street letterhead on the desk.
The ad mentions Classique 5157.
Sadly, I cannot find the ad online.
Cita




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[ChurchillChat] FW: Yousuf Karsh's portrait of a smiling Winston Churchill

[Cita Stelzer]

You might like to see the portrait taken by Karsh after the more angry one that 
is so famous. This captures the twinkle in his eye and the impish humour on 
which I report in my forthcoming book, Working with Winston.









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Dear Irwin,

I am delighted to present this alternative portrait by Yousuf Karsh of the 
enigmatic Winston Churchill, taken upon Churchill's trip to North America in 
1941. The photograph was taken at the same sitting as Karsh's now infamous 
portrait of a disgruntled Churchill, which has become the most recognisable 
image of the politician.

Karsh was invited to photograph Churchill by the Canadian Prime Minister, 
MacKenzie King, following his speech in the Canadian House of Commons. Karsh 
was waiting, with his equipment prepared, for Churchill as he entered the 
Speaker's Chamber, however, the politician had not been warned of sitting and, 
becoming irritated, lit one of his trademark cigars. Karsh waited patiently 
until Churchill relented and agreed to have his photograph taken. He would not 
however put down his cigar, so the young Karsh audaciously stepped forward and 
pulled it from Churchill's mouth. This action produced one of the most 
important portraits of the twentieth century, as a stoic Churchill stares back 
at the camera.

Impressed by Karsh's boldness, Churchill allowed him to take a second portrait, 
depicting a more relaxed Churchill with the same characterful expression and 
dramatic lighting that Karsh is celebrated for. We are the sole representative 
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[ChurchillChat] Query from Cita re Robert Hardy

[Cita Stelzer]

Does anyone recall when and where Robert Hardy gave a talk - perhaps at 
Westminster Hall - to celebrate Churchill's birthday?
Thanks,
Cita


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[ChurchillChat] Robert Hardy and Churchill's 80th birthday

[Cita Stelzer]

AM I right in recalling that Robert Hardy once recited the speech Churchill 
gave in Westminster Hall on his 80th birthday tribute 30 November 1954. If my 
memory is not totally gone, does anyone recall where and why Hardy recited that 
speech?
Thank you,
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[ChurchillChat] query re Documents volume 20

[Cita Stelzer]

I don't see how to order it online either from Amazon or Hillsdale College.
Please advise.
Thanks,
Cita


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RE: [ChurchillChat] New in Churchill Documents Vol 20

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I don’t see Volume 20 as being available now. Antoine Capet's review whetted 
the appetite.
Does anyone know the official pub date for DOCS 20?
Thanks,

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Of Sandy Finlayson
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 12:16 PM
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] New in Churchill Docements Vol 20

It’s great to hear the latest volume is out.  I’ve not received my copy yet and 
will hope that it will be arriving soon!

SF

> On Apr 3, 2018, at 11:24 AM, Richard Langworth  wrote:
> 
> #Churchill #Roosevelt #deGaulle on the eve of #DDay in The Churchill 
> Documents vol. 20, just published. Reviewed by Antoine Capet in Cercles :
> 
> http://www.cercles.com/review/r83/Gilbert.html
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[ChurchillChat] This gallery in California is advertising some WSC paintings for sale.

[Cita Stelzer]

heatherjames.com


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RE: [ChurchillChat] Comic relief: "Churchill's Secret Affair," Gary Oldman and the Oscars

[Cita Stelzer]

Camilla Long is a brilliant writer. Worth reading whatever she writes about.

From: churchillchat@googlegroups.com [mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Jonathan Hayes
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 12:45 PM
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Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] Comic relief: "Churchill's Secret Affair," Gary 
Oldman and the Oscars

"chewing gum history"  -  I love it!!  I am going to appropriate that phrase 
and I know I will have many occasions to wield it.

Jonathan Hayes


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To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] Comic relief: "Churchill's Secret Affair," Gary 
Oldman and the Oscars

Great writing. High class humor.
PHL
Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 12, 2018, at 1:20 PM, Richard Langworth 
> wrote:
https://richardlangworth.com/long-view-churchills-affiar-oscars

"Chewing gum history": Camilla Long targets Churchill’s rumored fling and the 
Oscar ceremonies.

Attached: Andrew Roberts may be a Striped Piglet, but he is my Striped Piglet.


N.B.
The Sunday Times is one of those papers with an hyper-vigilant paywall, 
guaranteeing itself diminishing influence. If they’re not careful, they’ll have 
Donald Trump calling them “the failing Sunday Times.” If you can’t read it 
online without paying tribute, contact me for a surreptitious copy provided by 
someone at MI5. But don’t spread this around, lest I become a Guest of The 
Queen. There is extradition in The Bahamas.
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RE: [ChurchillChat] Churchill Warrior: How a Military Life Guided Winston's Finest Hours eBook: Brian Lavery

[Cita Stelzer]

I read it and found it informative. I think Lavery a respected historian. AM I 
missing something?
Cita

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Behalf Of Sandy Finlayson
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 7:25 AM
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Subject: [ChurchillChat] Churchill Warrior: How a Military Life Guided 
Winston's Finest Hours eBook: Brian Lavery

Does anyone know anything about this book?

It’s on sale today in the Kindle store.

https://www.amazon.com/Churchill-Warrior-Military-GuidedWinstons-ebook/dp/B0754MY1WF

Thanks

Sandy

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[ChurchillChat] Lovely picture of WSC in London today

[Cita Stelzer]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/nintchdbpict0003885092911.jpg?strip=all=760


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[ChurchillChat] from Andrew Roberts

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https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/02/churchill-did-not-have-an-affair-so-dont-fall-for-channel-4s-spin/


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RE: [ChurchillChat] Notification: Churchill Conference March 23/24, 2018

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Wish we could be with you but cannot fit into work schedule. Next time!
All best for 2018!
Cita

From: johnmather via ChurchillChat [mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2018 7:35 AM
To: ChurchillChat@googlegroups.com
Subject: [ChurchillChat] Notification: Churchill Conference March 23/24, 2018


[Churchill Society of Tennessee]Early bird registration for Churchill Society’s 
first conference in Tennessee continues through Jan. 15


Randolph Churchill, Sir Winston Churchill’s great grandson and president of the 
International Churchill Society, will speak at the first conference hosted by 
the Churchill Society of Tennessee in March. Registration is now open, and an 
early bird discount is being offered through Jan. 15, 2018.

The conference is March 23-24, 2018, and will be held in Nashville and 
Franklin, Tennessee. Early bird registration ends on Jan. 15, after which time 
the early registration discount ends but registration will continue. 
Registration is at https://churchillsocietytn.org/regional-conference.

The local society formed in 2016 as a chapter of the international society 
which promotes the legacy of Sir Winston Churchill, Britain’s prime minister 
during World War II. Churchill Society of Tennessee president, Dr. John Mather, 
said the society members “enjoy convivial conversation while gaining a greater 
appreciation for THE MAN of the 20th Century.” The conference is a chance to 
explore the man and his words, interests and life.

Churchill’s great grandson is the featured speaker and will kick-off the 
Schermerhorn Symphony Hall Friday evening concert of the Nashville Symphony 
Orchestra. He will be reading two of Sir Winston Churchill’s speeches to the 
accompaniment of a string quartet with music composed by Belmont’s Don Cusic.

As it is Music City, many conference sessions are devoted to the various 
aspects of Sir Winston Churchill’s great appreciation for all kinds of music. 
Nashville Symphony Conductor Giancarlo Guerrero will be delivering the keynote 
address: “Churchill Did Not Have a Tin Ear” on Friday morning. Sessions will 
continue throughout the day at the Schermerhorn. Saturday, the conferences 
moves to Franklin, where the local chapter was founded, for a review of 
Churchill’s insights into the Civil War in the US, including a focus on the 
Battle of Franklin in 1865.

Other speakers include Belmont University Curb Professor of Music Industry 
History Don Cusic, local educator and Holocaust lecturer Inge Smith, Rutgers 
Professor Dr. Warren Kimball, local historian Thomas Cartwright, “Never Give 
In: The Extraordinary Character of Winston Churchill” author Stephen Mansfield, 
“Winston & Jack, The Churchill Brothers,” author Celia Lee, and writer Lee 
Pollock.

More information on the full program of activities, registration and the hotel 
(including early bird info) can be found at  
www.churchillsocietytn.org.

For other immediate additional information, contact: John H. Mather, MD, FACPE, 
President CSOT-ICS
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RE: [ChurchillChat] Darkest Hour

[Cita Stelzer]

The movie used noisy click/clack typewriters for audio/visual effects, 
effectively so, in my view for Hollywood.
 In real life, Churchill demanded his typists use noiseless ones as he hated 
noises of any sort.
Lee is correct: It was Ed Murrow who first used that line, stolen w/o 
attribution by President Kennedy.

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I believe the line about the English language was originally by Edward R. 
Murrow but was used by Pres. Kennedy in his remarks at the White House ceremony 
for Churchill's honorary citizenship in April 1963, so it's often attributed to 
him.  (He didn't reference Murrow but I suppose Presidents can say whatever 
they want.)

From: "Jonathan Hayes" 
>
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Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 11:58:26 AM
Subject: [ChurchillChat] Darkest Hour

My loving wife does lots of nice things for me and one of the latest was to 
drag me to "Darkest Hour".  I really enjoyed it!!  Some comments:  after the 
first scene where we see Churchill ranting against the typewriter noise, we 
STILL hear the typewriter noise in subsequent scenes, although we all know he 
insisted on a silent typewriter.  Halifax's last comment at the end "he 
mobilized the English language and sent it into battle"  -  wasn't that by 
President Kennedy?
There have been comments about Churchill's foray onto the Tube  -  yes, it 
would have been totally out of character, but something like that was 
cinematically necessary, as with the King's visit to demonstrate that the 
country wanted to fight and not surrender.  What I still cannot understand is 
why anyone in their right mind would ever have thought that Britain could have 
gotten anything like a semi-respectable negotiated peace in 1940.  Or why if 
Hitler had ever agreed to it, that he would have stuck to it.  Talk about 
living in cloud-cuckooland!
Jonathan Hayes

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[ChurchillChat] Action this Day

[Cita Stelzer]

Dear All,
  Here a partial answer to the query on Action This Day:
On page 507 of Barry Gough's wonderful new book, Churchill and Fisher, Gough 
says:
"One can almost believe that Churchill, for all his interventions and energy, 
all his desires for action this day (which he learned from Fisher), 
[underlining mine] and all his inventiveness and countless new ideas, exercised 
only general management of the war at sea."
Cita Stelzer


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[ChurchillChat] query re books

[Cita Stelzer]

Can someone please explain to me the difference between The Ministry of 
Ungentlemanly Warfare by Damien Lewis (2015)and The Ministry of Ungentlemanly 
Warfare by Giles Milton (2016). They have different subtitles.


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[ChurchillChat] Then European Anthem as you've never hear before

[Cita Stelzer]

The man's a genius:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWGZdYNpaSo

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RE: [ChurchillChat] Churchill Film

[Cita Stelzer]

Lee’s piece in the Wall Street Journal was excellent – too bad the movie isn’t.
Cita

From: churchillchat@googlegroups.com [mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Lee Pollock
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Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] Churchill Film

Although there are some compliments about the acting, the film as a whole is 
getting very bad reviews (except, strangely, for one in the LA Times…)  The 
weekend gross in all 200 theaters was only $426,000 so it seems to be a 
commercial flop as well as a historical one….

Lee Pollock
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From: Brett Weiss [mailto:interl...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Brett Weiss
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 10:02 AM
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] Churchill Film

The review is by Godfrey Cheshire, and appears on RogerEbert.com (Mr. Ebert 
having been dead since 2013). You will get a clear picture of his thoughts by 
the first paragraph:

In the annals of historical biopics, Jonathan Teplitzsky’s “Churchill” stands 
out as a uniquely awful and tedious caricature of a fascinating subject. The 
film, which imagines British prime minister Winston S. Churchill as wracked 
with misgivings and opposing the Allied Forces’ D-Day invasion until the very 
last minute, strikes this reviewer as a load of utter rubbish from first frame 
to last.

Take care.

Brett Weiss

From: > 
on behalf of Sandy Finlayson 
>
Reply-To: 
>
Date: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 at 10:37 AM
To: "churchillchat@googlegroups.com" 
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Subject: [ChurchillChat] Churchill Film

I made the mistake of going to the new Churchill film last night. While the 
producers made the point in the credits that the film was based on historical 
events but that scenes and dialogue had been made up, this was still an awful 
film that does a disservice to WSC. Roger Ebert's review which can be read 
here is an accurate summation 
of many of the "issues" with the film.

What's most alarming to me is that a lot of people get their history from the 
movies and if they do in this case they will get a deeply flawed picture of 
Churchill. After watching the film the most sensible question to ask would be, 
why on earth would anyone have followed the Churchill portrayed in this film?

If you haven't already seen it, don't waste your money on it.

Sandy


Mr. Sandy Finlayson
Director of Library Services &
Professor of Theological Bibliography
Westminster Theological Seminary
Philadelphia, PA
"Google can bring back a hundred thousand answers.
A librarian can bring you back the right one.
~ Neil Gaiman

Recent Release: Thomas 
Chalmers
See also: Unity and Diversity: The Founders of the Free 
Church
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RE: [ChurchillChat] Churchill Photo...

[Cita Stelzer]

Hi,
  I’ve seen several photos of Churchill inspecting troops in the desert 
but not ever one where he was wearing a black coat. He was always wearing khaki 
colored clothes.
  Sorry this does not help much. Is your family certain it was in the 
desert?
  In any case, your grandfather was a hero!
Cita Stelzer

From: churchillchat@googlegroups.com [mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Myer
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Subject: [ChurchillChat] Churchill Photo...

Hi,

I was recommended to get in contact with you from David Freeman of 
WinstonChurchill.org. I'm hoping someone might be able to help me out with 
something...

I am trying to get hold of a specific photo of that was taken of Sir Winston 
Churchill. The picture was (I presume taken, and) published in a newspaper in 
August 1942. In the photo he was inspecting the South African troops in the 
Libyan Desert. He has the classic pose in a long black coat and cigar, and is 
about to shake the hand of one of the troops, who is my grandfather, Lionel 
Rothbart.

My mother used to own this photo (possibly even the original) and it was always 
very dear to her, but she has been distraught since it got lost. It would mean 
a lot to me, and a tremendous amount to her if you could help me find a copy of 
this picture.

Unfortunately, I don't remember which newspaper it was published in.

Let me know,
Thank you!
Myer


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[ChurchillChat] Oh dear, oh dear

[Cita Stelzer]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/582039/hollywood-star-brian-cox-reveals-he-had-to-channel-his-inner-child-to-play-winston-churchill-in-latest-film/

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RE: [ChurchillChat] On Again/Off Again

[Cita Stelzer]

I think it was a gold-topped walking stick. Was it a wedding gift from King 
Edward 7th?  Am I right?
Cita

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You'll see a lot of pictures of Churchill with a walking stick.  That is not a 
cane as we think it; it was (and is) a fashion accessory, same utility as a top 
hat.  Not carried for mobility reasons.  I recall the Prince of Wales gave WSC 
a walking stick as a wedding present.

Jonathan Hayes

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Fun to watch once but let’s all remember it is fiction, not history.
Cita

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I found Churchill's portrayal by John Lithgow to be okay, but objected to his 
"overuse" of a cane.  Churchill didn't use the cane that much, at least not 
until 1953 and beyond.  There were a few other mistakes (such as, for example, 
the Duke of Edinburgh's portrayal), but overall I thought it was pretty good.

Dan Myers

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Curious on thoughts of WSC’s portrayal on “The Crown”.

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RE: [ChurchillChat] On Again/Off Again

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Fun to watch once but let’s all remember it is fiction, not history.
Cita

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I found Churchill's portrayal by John Lithgow to be okay, but objected to his 
"overuse" of a cane.  Churchill didn't use the cane that much, at least not 
until 1953 and beyond.  There were a few other mistakes (such as, for example, 
the Duke of Edinburgh's portrayal), but overall I thought it was pretty good.

Dan Myers

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Well, I am back onsite and getting and receiving messages.  Good to see that 
everyone has continued as well and that my absence has not been lost to anyone. 
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[ChurchillChat] WSC on 1st Duke of Marlborough’s death

[Cita Stelzer]

Does anyone know where I can find WSC’s comment on the death of his ancestor – 
I think it might be at the end of his biography of the first Duke, but I can’t 
find it. WSC wrote something like it was a natural end to a long life.
Thank you, in advance,
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RE: [ChurchillChat] WSC's final dinner at Downing Street

[Cita Stelzer]

I think there was a newspaper strike on at that time. That’s why I had such 
trouble finding menus and guests list for my book Dinner with Churchill.
All best,
Cita

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Dear All,

I have been asked to give a talk on “Churchill and Elizabeth II”, and I will 
naturally allude to the final dinner at Downing Street.

I can only find fragmentary information on the guests – I cannot find a full 
list in my usual sources.

Neither can I find the full text of Churchill’s speech on the occasion – only 
passages.

Any leads would be welcome.

With all best wishes,

Professor Antoine CAPET, FRHistS
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[ChurchillChat] USA TV Broadcast of Churchill's Secret

[Cita Stelzer]

Whether "Churchill's Secret", broadcast in the USA last night, was riveting 
television I leave to the critics. But that it was historically inaccurate at 
one important point there is no doubt. Lindsay Duncan's beautifully acted 
television version of Clemmie as a wife competing with his political career for 
his time and attention has no relation to the real-life version. Clementine 
Churchill, as I point out in my review of Sonia Purnell's biography of 
Clementine Churchill, was no whining woman at odds with her husband's political 
life. In fact, Clemmie was a full partner in his political career, entertaining 
politicians and military figures when he was away in the trenches in WWI. And 
as any fair reading of their voluminous correspondence shows, offering wise 
advice to the often impetuous-Winston, advice that prolonged his career. Not 
only was she a full partner in his work, she had a full and rich life of her 
own, witness her fund-raising work for the Red Cross's Aid to the Soviet Union. 
Kudos to Ms. Duncan, and don't blame her for being asked to portray the fiction 
of a novelist's imagination.

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RE: [ChurchillChat] 'Churchill's Secret': On PBS' 'Masterpiece'

[Cita Stelzer]

Thanks, Dave, this is handy.
Cita

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Here is the link to John's review in the March edition of the Chartwell 
Bulletin:

Churchill's 
Secret<http://www.winstonchurchill.org/publications/chartwell-bulletin/bulletin-93-mar-2016/churchill-s-secret>




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Churchill's Secret A Medical Analysis of the New Drama from ITV, By JOHN H. 
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The film was also reviewed in Finest Hour 172 for its dramatic qualities by 
Robert Courts.

David Freeman

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John. Look also at the Chartwell bulletin for a review of June or July or it 
could have been May when David Freeman published it. Does anyone have a copy to 
verify the month of issue. John

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JOHN,  THE ISSUE OF THE FINEST HOUR THAT YOU REFERRED TO IS THE SPRING, 2016, 
PP 49-50.


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This is great drama but a lot of rubbish. See reviews in the Chartwell Bulletin 
of a few months ago and the Finest Hour that came out this past Summer. John

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We all ( in the USA) should watch this so we can criticize/praise it!
Cita

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Greetings all--

Has anyone in the UK seen this yet?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/episode/churchills-secret/

It is coming up this Sunday, September 11, on PBS.

It looks pretty good.   Anyone have thoughts on it?

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RE: [ChurchillChat] 'Churchill's Secret': On PBS' 'Masterpiece'

[Cita Stelzer]

We all ( in the USA) should watch this so we can criticize/praise it!
Cita

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Greetings all--

Has anyone in the UK seen this yet?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/programs/episode/churchills-secret/

It is coming up this Sunday, September 11, on PBS.

It looks pretty good.   Anyone have thoughts on it?

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RE: [ChurchillChat] Re: in The Independent today : Winston Churchill 'would not become Prime Minister today because his speaking style would be mocked'

[Cita Stelzer]

Does this statement come from an actress? Perhaps she studied history a bit.
Cita

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Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] Re: in The Independent today : Winston Churchill 
'would not become Prime Minister today because his speaking style would be 
mocked'

Would they?  Boris Johnson does not seem to suffer from his eccentric speaking 
style.

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> Subject: [ChurchillChat] Re: in The Independent today : Winston Churchill 
> 'would not become Prime Minister today because his speaking style would be 
> mocked'
> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 11:41:06 +0100
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> Winston Churchill 'would not become Prime Minister today because his
> speaking style would be mocked'
> Romola Garai, who stars in new ITV drama about the politician, says his
> eccentricities would rule him out in the modern era
>
> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/winston-churchill-would-not-become-prime-minister-today-because-his-speaking-style-would-be-mocked-a6882066.html
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[ChurchillChat] FW: Link below to my recent review of Ministers at War: Winston Churchill and His War Cabinet by Jonathan Schneer

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