RE: [ChurchillChat] The River War

[Cita Stelzer]

Dave,
I just ordered a copy from St Augustine’s and they said shipping 
May 17th or so.
Cita


From: 'David Freeman' via ChurchillChat 
Sent: Thursday, May 6, 2021 5:28 PM
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] The River War

The second printing is scheduled for late this month (May), which means 
delivery in June.

HOWEVER: The second printing has already sold out in advance, and the printer 
refused the publisher's request to increase the size of the second printing. 
This means that if you have still not ordered the book, you will not be able to 
obtain a copy until there has been a third printing, which will not happen 
until the summer.

David
On Thursday, May 6, 2021, 3:22:58 PM PDT, Lee Pollock 
mailto:gordonleepoll...@gmail.com>> wrote:


They're saying Juneno one expected the first printing to sell out so 
fastuntil Andrew's glowing review appeared in the Journal.

On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 5:13 PM Cita Stelzer 
mailto:c...@irwinstelzer.com>> wrote:

Any news on the date for publication of the second printing?
We are all waiting to order a copy – or 2….

Cita









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Re: [ChurchillChat] The River War

[ROGER PENCE]

Makes me glad I sprung for that first printing!  I guess I can’t really call it 
a “first edition,” but feels that way to me. 
Cheers 
-Roger Pence-
Edmonds, WA / USA

Sent from my iPhone XsMax


> On May 6, 2021, at 5:29 PM, 'David Freeman' via ChurchillChat 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> The second printing is scheduled for late this month (May), which means 
> delivery in June.
> 
> HOWEVER: The second printing has already sold out in advance, and the printer 
> refused the publisher's request to increase the size of the second printing. 
> This means that if you have still not ordered the book, you will not be able 
> to obtain a copy until there has been a third printing, which will not happen 
> until the summer.
> 
> David
> On Thursday, May 6, 2021, 3:22:58 PM PDT, Lee Pollock 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> They're saying Juneno one expected the first printing to sell out so 
> fastuntil Andrew's glowing review appeared in the Journal.
> 
> On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 5:13 PM Cita Stelzer  wrote:
> Any news on the date for publication of the second printing?
> We are all waiting to order a copy – or 2….
> 
> Cita
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Cita Stelzer
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Re: [ChurchillChat] The River War

['David Freeman' via ChurchillChat]

The second printing is scheduled for late this month (May), which means 
delivery in June.
HOWEVER: The second printing has already sold out in advance, and the printer 
refused the publisher's request to increase the size of the second printing. 
This means that if you have still not ordered the book, you will not be able to 
obtain a copy until there has been a third printing, which will not happen 
until the summer.
DavidOn Thursday, May 6, 2021, 3:22:58 PM PDT, Lee Pollock 
 wrote:  
 
 They're saying Juneno one expected the first printing to sell out so 
fastuntil Andrew's glowing review appeared in the Journal.
On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 5:13 PM Cita Stelzer  wrote:


Any news on the date for publication of the second printing?
We are all waiting to order a copy – or 2….

Cita

 

 

 

 

Cita Stelzer

 

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Re: [ChurchillChat] The River War

[Lee Pollock]

They're saying Juneno one expected the first printing to sell out so
fastuntil Andrew's glowing review appeared in the Journal.

On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 5:13 PM Cita Stelzer  wrote:

> Any news on the date for publication of the second printing?
> We are all waiting to order a copy – or 2….
>
> Cita
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RE: [ChurchillChat] The River War

[Sandy Finlayson]

Encouraging news!

 

Does anyone know when the next volume of the Churchill Documents is due to be 
released by Hillsdale College?

 

Sandy

 


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Director of Library Services &
Professor of Theological Bibliography
Westminster Theological Seminary <http://www.wts.edu/library>  
Philadelphia, PA

"Google can bring back a hundred thousand answers.

A librarian can bring you back the right one.

~ Neil Gaiman

 

Recent Release: Thomas Chalmers 
<http://www.wtsbooks.com/thomas-chalmers-sandy-finlayson-9781783970728> 

See also: Unity and Diversity: The Founders of the Free Church 
<http://www.wtsbooks.com/unity-and-diversity-sandy-finalyson-9781845505509> 

 

 

 

 

From: churchillchat@googlegroups.com [mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Homeporter
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 12:33 PM
To: ChurchillChat
Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] The River War

 

Response to my query today:

I can tell you that it is very close to finishing, but that I won’t have an 
exact date for perhaps two weeks. I don’t want to tell anyone any date until I 
am absolutely sure that date I give will be exact and permanent. I can tell you 
that it will be sometime in early 2017; it will not be out for Christmas. 
Savrola will be ready before that time.
 
With best regards,
Bruce
 
Bruce Fingerhut
St. Augustine’s Press / St. Austin Review
P.O. Box 2285, South Bend, IN 46680-2285
17917 Killington Way, South Bend, IN 46614-9773
tel: (574) 291-3500; fax: (574) 291-3700; website: www.staugustine.net
 
“I have tried . . . to be a philosopher; but . . . cheerfulness was always 
breaking in.” — Dr. Johnson’s friend Oliver Edwards (cited by Boswell in his 
Life of Johnson, on 17 April 1778).

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RE: [ChurchillChat] The River War

[Dave Turrell]

Lee,

 

“At this point, this subject has been thoroughly discussed and further 
commentary about the date of publication may not be helpful”.  I seem to recall 
that you made a very similar comment the last time this topic came up.  The 
thing is, this topic only comes up after another one or two ‘publication dates’ 
have been and gone, and been replaced without comment or explanation.  So no, 
clearly the topic has not been sufficiently discussed, as several members of 
this list, myself included, need to exchange notes on any misinformation that 
may be floating around out there.  In what way do you see this as unhelpful? 

 

“The suggestion that there has been any lack of candor with respect to the 
timing of this book is not warranted”.  On what do you base this assertion?  On 
the face of the evidence, the suggestion is entirely warranted, although ‘lack 
of candor’ is a kind way of expressing it.

 

Best,

 

Dave

 

 

 

 

From: churchillchat@googlegroups.com [mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Lee Pollock
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 7:32 PM
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] The River War

 

Stan – your inference is incorrect.  The publication of this book is not and 
never has been a direct undertaking or commitment of The Churchill Centre, as 
much as we try to support Prof. Muller on this and all of his other work. We 
will be ordering a substantial number of copies when it is published and 
publicizing it to our members and other contacts around the world.

 

The suggestion that there has been any lack of candor with respect to the 
timing of this book is not warranted.

 

At this point, this subject has been thoroughly discussed and further 
commentary about the date of publication may not be helpful.  When it is 
published, this list will be among the groups informed and I hope that 
everyone, including those who have been anxiously awaiting its appearance will 
buy one or more sets.

 

Thank you.

 

From: churchillchat@googlegroups.com <mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of STAN ORCHARD
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 6:02 PM
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com <mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] The River War

 

My interpretation of Lee's posting is that there is some financial contribution 
threshold from The Churchill Centre that needs to be reached before the book 
can be published.  And if the Centre had more cash flow the book would have 
been printed and shipped long ago.  If this is the case then why not just 
confess the shortfall and provide everyone with a realistic timeline to 
publication based upon facts and circumstances that everyone can understand.  
Is this the end?  The beginning of the end?  Or, at least the end of the 
beginning?

 

Stan

BullfrogControl.com Inc.
69A Burnside Road West
Victoria, British Columbia
CANADA V9A 1B6

bullfrogcont...@shaw.ca <mailto:bullfrogcont...@shaw.ca>  
250-858-FROG (3764)
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Sent from my BlackBerry® PlayBook™
www.blackberry.com <http://www.blackberry.com> 

 

  _  

From: "Lee Pollock" <pollock...@rcn.com <mailto:pollock...@rcn.com> >
To: "churchillchat@googlegroups.com <mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com> " 
<churchillchat@googlegroups.com <mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com> >
Sent: 22 October, 2016 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] The River War

 

Dear Jonathan:

 

I wish I could tell you and the other members of this chat group that Prof. 
Muller has been “well compensated” for his 15+ years of work on this immense 
undertaking, but that unfortunately is not the case.  While The Churchill 
Centre has been continuously supportive of his efforts on this and other 
Churchill works, we are a small non-profit and have limited funds available for 
grants for research and writing, no matter how worthy, as this edition of The 
River War surely is. 

 

Specialized works of this kind do not garner big advances from publishers and 
St.  Augustine Press itself is a small independent enterprise in a world where 
the publishing and bookselling trades are under stress.

 

But I would like to offer the following suggestions:

 

1.   This chat group has a fairly large number of members, many of whom are 
not members of The Churchill Centre.  I encourage those of you who are not to 
join, which you can do online or by using the attached form.  If you so 
indicate, one hundred percent of your first year’s dues will be used to support 
the research and writing of Prof. Muller and other scholars.

 

2.   For those who are already members (and for others):  we welcome 
contributions of any amount that you might consider and you can designate that 
your funds be used to support publication of this new edition of The River War 
and/or for gen

Re: [ChurchillChat] The River War

[Barbara Langworth]

At the 23rd International Churchill Conference - Chicago, IL  2006, 
contributors at the $5000 level were promised a copy of this book. 
Barbara Langworth

> On Oct 22, 2016, at 7:32 PM, Lee Pollock <pollock...@rcn.com> wrote:
> 
> Stan – your inference is incorrect.  The publication of this book is not and 
> never has been a direct undertaking or commitment of The Churchill Centre, as 
> much as we try to support Prof. Muller on this and all of his other work. We 
> will be ordering a substantial number of copies when it is published and 
> publicizing it to our members and other contacts around the world.
>  
> The suggestion that there has been any lack of candor with respect to the 
> timing of this book is not warranted.
>  
> At this point, this subject has been thoroughly discussed and further 
> commentary about the date of publication may not be helpful.  When it is 
> published, this list will be among the groups informed and I hope that 
> everyone, including those who have been anxiously awaiting its appearance 
> will buy one or more sets.
>  
> Thank you.
>   <>
> From: churchillchat@googlegroups.com <mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of STAN ORCHARD
> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 6:02 PM
> To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com <mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] The River War
>  
> My interpretation of Lee's posting is that there is some financial 
> contribution threshold from The Churchill Centre that needs to be reached 
> before the book can be published.  And if the Centre had more cash flow the 
> book would have been printed and shipped long ago.  If this is the case then 
> why not just confess the shortfall and provide everyone with a realistic 
> timeline to publication based upon facts and circumstances that everyone can 
> understand.  Is this the end?  The beginning of the end?  Or, at least the 
> end of the beginning?
>  
> Stan
> 
> BullfrogControl.com <http://bullfrogcontrol.com/> Inc.
> 69A Burnside Road West
> Victoria, British Columbia
> CANADA V9A 1B6
> 
> bullfrogcont...@shaw.ca <mailto:bullfrogcont...@shaw.ca> 
> 250-858-FROG (3764)
> www.bullfrogcontrol.com <http://www.bullfrogcontrol.com/>
> 
> Sent from my BlackBerry® PlayBook™
> www.blackberry.com <http://www.blackberry.com/>
>  
> From: "Lee Pollock" <pollock...@rcn.com <mailto:pollock...@rcn.com>>
> To: "churchillchat@googlegroups.com <mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com>" 
> <churchillchat@googlegroups.com <mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com>>
> Sent: 22 October, 2016 3:05 PM
> Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] The River War
>  
> Dear Jonathan:
>  
> I wish I could tell you and the other members of this chat group that Prof. 
> Muller has been “well compensated” for his 15+ years of work on this immense 
> undertaking, but that unfortunately is not the case.  While The Churchill 
> Centre has been continuously supportive of his efforts on this and other 
> Churchill works, we are a small non-profit and have limited funds available 
> for grants for research and writing, no matter how worthy, as this edition of 
> The River War surely is. 
>  
> Specialized works of this kind do not garner big advances from publishers and 
> St.  Augustine Press itself is a small independent enterprise in a world 
> where the publishing and bookselling trades are under stress.
>  
> But I would like to offer the following suggestions:
>  
> 1.   This chat group has a fairly large number of members, many of whom 
> are not members of The Churchill Centre.  I encourage those of you who are 
> not to join, which you can do online or by using the attached form.  If you 
> so indicate, one hundred percent of your first year’s dues will be used to 
> support the research and writing of Prof. Muller and other scholars.
>  
> 2.   For those who are already members (and for others):  we welcome 
> contributions of any amount that you might consider and you can designate 
> that your funds be used to support publication of this new edition of The 
> River War and/or for general research by Prof. Muller and others.
>  
> I hope you will all give favorable consideration to these suggestions.
>  
> Lee Pollock
> Executive Director
> The Churchill Centre
> Chicago, IL 60603
> lpoll...@winstonchurchill.org <mailto:lpoll...@winstonchurchill.org>
>  
>  
>  
> From: churchillchat@googlegroups.com <mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:churchillchat@goo

RE: [ChurchillChat] The River War

[STAN ORCHARD]

Thanks for the response.  I have not been privy to any of the thorough discussions that you allude to, so I am as much in the dark today as I was many years ago when the the initial announcement of this publication was released.  I guess it's fair to say that Professor Muller is a riddle wrapped in a mystery.StanBullfrogControl.com Inc.69A Burnside Road WestVictoria, British ColumbiaCANADA  V9A 1B6bullfrogcont...@shaw.ca 250-858-FROG (3764)www.bullfrogcontrol.comSent from my BlackBerry® PlayBook™www.blackberry.comFrom: "Lee Pollock" <pollock...@rcn.com>To: "churchillchat@googlegroups.com" <churchillchat@googlegroups.com>Sent: 22 October, 2016 4:32 PMSubject: RE: [ChurchillChat] The River WarStan – your inference is incorrect.  The publication of this book is not and never has been a direct undertaking or commitment of The Churchill Centre, as much as we try to support Prof. Muller on this and all of his other work. We will be ordering a substantial number of copies when it is published and publicizing it to our members and other contacts around the world. The suggestion that there has been any lack of candor with respect to the timing of this book is not warranted. At this point, this subject has been thoroughly discussed and further commentary about the date of publication may not be helpful.  When it is published, this list will be among the groups informed and I hope that everyone, including those who have been anxiously awaiting its appearance will buy one or more sets. Thank you. From: churchillchat@googlegroups.com [mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of STAN ORCHARDSent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 6:02 PMTo: churchillchat@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: [ChurchillChat] The River War My interpretation of Lee's posting is that there is some financial contribution threshold from The Churchill Centre that needs to be reached before the book can be published.  And if the Centre had more cash flow the book would have been printed and shipped long ago.  If this is the case then why not just confess the shortfall and provide everyone with a realistic timeline to publication based upon facts and circumstances that everyone can understand.  Is this the end?  The beginning of the end?  Or, at least the end of the beginning? StanBullfrogControl.com Inc.69A Burnside Road WestVictoria, British ColumbiaCANADA V9A 1B6bullfrogcont...@shaw.ca 250-858-FROG (3764)www.bullfrogcontrol.comSent from my BlackBerry® PlayBook™www.blackberry.com From: "Lee Pollock" <pollock...@rcn.com>To: "churchillchat@googlegroups.com" <churchillchat@googlegroups.com>Sent: 22 October, 2016 3:05 PMSubject: RE: [ChurchillChat] The River War Dear Jonathan: I wish I could tell you and the other members of this chat group that Prof. Muller has been “well compensated” for his 15+ years of work on this immense undertaking, but that unfortunately is not the case.  While The Churchill Centre has been continuously supportive of his efforts on this and other Churchill works, we are a small non-profit and have limited funds available for grants for research and writing, no matter how worthy, as this edition of The River War surely is.  Specialized works of this kind do not garner big advances from publishers and St.  Augustine Press itself is a small independent enterprise in a world where the publishing and bookselling trades are under stress. But I would like to offer the following suggestions: 1.   This chat group has a fairly large number of members, many of whom are not members of The Churchill Centre.  I encourage those of you who are not to join, which you can do online or by using the attached form.  If you so indicate, one hundred percent of your first year’s dues will be used to support the research and writing of Prof. Muller and other scholars. 2.   For those who are already members (and for others):  we welcome contributions of any amount that you might consider and you can designate that your funds be used to support publication of this new edition of The River War and/or for general research by Prof. Muller and others. I hope you will all give favorable consideration to these suggestions. Lee PollockExecutive DirectorThe Churchill CentreChicago, IL 60603lpoll...@winstonchurchill.org    From: churchillchat@googlegroups.com [mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of chateaustegosau...@att.netSent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 11:38 AMTo: churchillchat@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [ChurchillChat] The (mythical) River War I, also, received a notice that the October pub date was off, but they didn't give a new one.  I hope Prof. Muller has been well compensated for his work 'cause there ain't going to be any royalties. Jonathan Hayes From: Dave Turrell <daturr...@verizon.net>To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 4:40 PMSubject: [ChurchillChat] The (mythical) River War In doing some desultory web browsing toda

RE: [ChurchillChat] The River War

[Lee Pollock]

Stan – your inference is incorrect.  The publication of this book is not and 
never has been a direct undertaking or commitment of The Churchill Centre, as 
much as we try to support Prof. Muller on this and all of his other work. We 
will be ordering a substantial number of copies when it is published and 
publicizing it to our members and other contacts around the world.

 

The suggestion that there has been any lack of candor with respect to the 
timing of this book is not warranted.

 

At this point, this subject has been thoroughly discussed and further 
commentary about the date of publication may not be helpful.  When it is 
published, this list will be among the groups informed and I hope that 
everyone, including those who have been anxiously awaiting its appearance will 
buy one or more sets.

 

Thank you.

 

From: churchillchat@googlegroups.com [mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of STAN ORCHARD
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 6:02 PM
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] The River War

 

My interpretation of Lee's posting is that there is some financial contribution 
threshold from The Churchill Centre that needs to be reached before the book 
can be published.  And if the Centre had more cash flow the book would have 
been printed and shipped long ago.  If this is the case then why not just 
confess the shortfall and provide everyone with a realistic timeline to 
publication based upon facts and circumstances that everyone can understand.  
Is this the end?  The beginning of the end?  Or, at least the end of the 
beginning?

 

Stan

BullfrogControl.com Inc.
69A Burnside Road West
Victoria, British Columbia
CANADA V9A 1B6

bullfrogcont...@shaw.ca <mailto:bullfrogcont...@shaw.ca>  
250-858-FROG (3764)
www.bullfrogcontrol.com <http://www.bullfrogcontrol.com> 

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www.blackberry.com <http://www.blackberry.com> 

 

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From: "Lee Pollock" <pollock...@rcn.com <mailto:pollock...@rcn.com> >
To: "churchillchat@googlegroups.com <mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com> " 
<churchillchat@googlegroups.com <mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com> >
Sent: 22 October, 2016 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] The River War

 

Dear Jonathan:

 

I wish I could tell you and the other members of this chat group that Prof. 
Muller has been “well compensated” for his 15+ years of work on this immense 
undertaking, but that unfortunately is not the case.  While The Churchill 
Centre has been continuously supportive of his efforts on this and other 
Churchill works, we are a small non-profit and have limited funds available for 
grants for research and writing, no matter how worthy, as this edition of The 
River War surely is. 

 

Specialized works of this kind do not garner big advances from publishers and 
St.  Augustine Press itself is a small independent enterprise in a world where 
the publishing and bookselling trades are under stress.

 

But I would like to offer the following suggestions:

 

1.   This chat group has a fairly large number of members, many of whom are 
not members of The Churchill Centre.  I encourage those of you who are not to 
join, which you can do online or by using the attached form.  If you so 
indicate, one hundred percent of your first year’s dues will be used to support 
the research and writing of Prof. Muller and other scholars.

 

2.   For those who are already members (and for others):  we welcome 
contributions of any amount that you might consider and you can designate that 
your funds be used to support publication of this new edition of The River War 
and/or for general research by Prof. Muller and others.

 

I hope you will all give favorable consideration to these suggestions.

 

Lee Pollock

Executive Director

The Churchill Centre

Chicago, IL 60603

lpoll...@winstonchurchill.org <mailto:lpoll...@winstonchurchill.org>  

 

 

 

From: churchillchat@googlegroups.com <mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of chateaustegosau...@att.net 
<mailto:chateaustegosau...@att.net> 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 11:38 AM
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com <mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] The (mythical) River War

 

I, also, received a notice that the October pub date was off, but they didn't 
give a new one.  I hope Prof. Muller has been well compensated for his work 
'cause there ain't going to be any royalties.

 

Jonathan Hayes

 

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From: Dave Turrell <daturr...@verizon.net <mailto:daturr...@verizon.net> >
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com <mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com>  
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 4:40 PM
Subject: [ChurchillChat] The (mythical) River War

 

In doing some desultory web browsing today, I note that the latest date that St 
Augustine Press

Re: [ChurchillChat] The River War

[chateaustegosaurus]

Now I'm really confused.  Whose project is this?  I had originally thought it 
was Prof. Muller's project, in which case he would be free to change publishers 
in case they weren't producing.  I was then given to understand that it was a 
St. Augustine Press project and they had contracted with Prof. Muller to do the 
annotation. In that case, while they would control the publication date, Prof. 
Muller should be adequately compensated under his contract.
So how does the Churchill Centre all of a sudden come into this?  Who, if 
anyone, is running the show and are we ever going to see a published result?  
Or should we just kiss it off and go on to something else.
Jonathan Hayes


  From: STAN ORCHARD <bullfrogcont...@shaw.ca>
 To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 4:02 PM
 Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] The River War
   
My interpretation of Lee's posting is that there is some 
financial contribution threshold from The Churchill Centre that needs to be 
reached before the book can be published.  And if the Centre had more cash flow 
the book would have been printed and shipped long ago.  If this is the case 
then why not just confess the shortfall and provide everyone with a realistic 
timeline to publication based upon facts and circumstances that everyone can 
understand.  Is this the end?  The beginning of the end?  Or, at least the end 
of the beginning?
Stan

BullfrogControl.com Inc.
69A Burnside Road West
Victoria, British Columbia
CANADA V9A 1B6

bullfrogcont...@shaw.ca 
250-858-FROG (3764)
www.bullfrogcontrol.com

Sent from my BlackBerry® PlayBook™
www.blackberry.com
From: "Lee Pollock" <pollock...@rcn.com>
To: "churchillchat@googlegroups.com" <churchillchat@googlegroups.com>
Sent: 22 October, 2016 3:05 PM
Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] The River War

Dear Jonathan:  I wish I could tell you and the other members of this chat 
group that Prof. Muller has been “well compensated” for his 15+ years of work 
on this immense undertaking, but that unfortunately is not the case.  While The 
Churchill Centre has been continuously supportive of his efforts on this and 
other Churchill works, we are a small non-profit and have limited funds 
available for grants for research and writing, no matter how worthy, as this 
edition of The River War surely is.   Specialized works of this kind do not 
garner big advances from publishers and St.  Augustine Press itself is a small 
independent enterprise in a world where the publishing and bookselling trades 
are under stress.  But I would like to offer the following suggestions:  1. 
  This chat group has a fairly large number of members, many of whom are not 
members of The Churchill Centre.  I encourage those of you who are not to join, 
which you can do online or by using the attached form.  If you so indicate, one 
hundred percent of your first year’s dues will be used to support the research 
and writing of Prof. Muller and other scholars.  2.   For those who are 
already members (and for others):  we welcome contributions of any amount that 
you might consider and you can designate that your funds be used to support 
publication of this new edition of The River War and/or for general research by 
Prof. Muller and others.  I hope you will all give favorable consideration to 
these suggestions.  Lee PollockExecutive DirectorThe Churchill CentreChicago, 
IL 60603lpoll...@winstonchurchill.org       From: 
churchillchat@googlegroups.com [mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of chateaustegosau...@att.net
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 11:38 AM
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] The (mythical) River War  I, also, received a 
notice that the October pub date was off, but they didn't give a new one.  I 
hope Prof. Muller has been well compensated for his work 'cause there ain't 
going to be any royalties.  Jonathan Hayes  From: Dave Turrell 
<daturr...@verizon.net>
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 4:40 PM
Subject: [ChurchillChat] The (mythical) River War  In doing some desultory web 
browsing today, I note that the latest date that St Augustine Press has been 
giving for publication of Jim Muller’s ‘River War’ (September 2016) has been 
and gone, like so many of their other proposed publication dates over the last 
15 years or more.  Checking with Amazon, it seems that they were, at least, not 
taken in by the latest, and still show a publication date of November 2013.  
While I think that most of us have come to accept the prospect of publication 
of this work as being something of a bizarre ongoing joke, I wonder if St. 
Augustine will get round to not referring to their offering as having a 
foreword by “Churchill’s only surviving child, Lady Soames”.  That strikes me 
as being a little tacky, at best. Cheers, Dave-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
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RE: [ChurchillChat] The River War

[STAN ORCHARD]

My interpretation of Lee's posting is that there is some financial contribution threshold from The Churchill Centre that needs to be reached before the book can be published.  And if the Centre had more cash flow the book would have been printed and shipped long ago.  If this is the case then why not just confess the shortfall and provide everyone with a realistic timeline to publication based upon facts and circumstances that everyone can understand.  Is this the end?  The beginning of the end?  Or, at least the end of the beginning?StanBullfrogControl.com Inc.69A Burnside Road WestVictoria, British ColumbiaCANADA  V9A 1B6bullfrogcont...@shaw.ca 250-858-FROG (3764)www.bullfrogcontrol.comSent from my BlackBerry® PlayBook™www.blackberry.comFrom: "Lee Pollock" <pollock...@rcn.com>To: "churchillchat@googlegroups.com" <churchillchat@googlegroups.com>Sent: 22 October, 2016 3:05 PMSubject: RE: [ChurchillChat] The River WarDear Jonathan: I wish I could tell you and the other members of this chat group that Prof. Muller has been “well compensated” for his 15+ years of work on this immense undertaking, but that unfortunately is not the case.  While The Churchill Centre has been continuously supportive of his efforts on this and other Churchill works, we are a small non-profit and have limited funds available for grants for research and writing, no matter how worthy, as this edition of The River War surely is.  Specialized works of this kind do not garner big advances from publishers and St.  Augustine Press itself is a small independent enterprise in a world where the publishing and bookselling trades are under stress. But I would like to offer the following suggestions: 1.   This chat group has a fairly large number of members, many of whom are not members of The Churchill Centre.  I encourage those of you who are not to join, which you can do online or by using the attached form.  If you so indicate, one hundred percent of your first year’s dues will be used to support the research and writing of Prof. Muller and other scholars. 2.   For those who are already members (and for others):  we welcome contributions of any amount that you might consider and you can designate that your funds be used to support publication of this new edition of The River War and/or for general research by Prof. Muller and others. I hope you will all give favorable consideration to these suggestions. Lee PollockExecutive DirectorThe Churchill CentreChicago, IL 60603lpoll...@winstonchurchill.org    From: churchillchat@googlegroups.com [mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of chateaustegosau...@att.netSent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 11:38 AMTo: churchillchat@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [ChurchillChat] The (mythical) River War I, also, received a notice that the October pub date was off, but they didn't give a new one.  I hope Prof. Muller has been well compensated for his work 'cause there ain't going to be any royalties. Jonathan Hayes From: Dave Turrell <daturr...@verizon.net>To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 4:40 PMSubject: [ChurchillChat] The (mythical) River War In doing some desultory web browsing today, I note that the latest date that St Augustine Press has been giving for publication of Jim Muller’s ‘River War’ (September 2016) has been and gone, like so many of their other proposed publication dates over the last 15 years or more.  Checking with Amazon, it seems that they were, at least, not taken in by the latest, and still show a publication date of November 2013.  While I think that most of us have come to accept the prospect of publication of this work as being something of a bizarre ongoing joke, I wonder if St. Augustine will get round to not referring to their offering as having a foreword by “Churchill’s only surviving child, Lady Soames”.  That strikes me as being a little tacky, at best. Cheers, Dave-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ChurchillChat" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to churchillchat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to churchillchat@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/churchillchat.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ChurchillChat" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to churchillchat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to churchillchat@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/churchillchat.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.



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