Re: [CinCVS] Get-Cinelerra Page (was UbuntuStudio)
On Thu, 2007-04-19 at 13:17 +0200, Valentina Messeri wrote: luckly gandalf did that: http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/blog/? ...ABRACADABR... Hmm... No. ...BIBIDI BOBIDI BU No. It doesn't work either. Do you know any magic spell to make the Ubuntu Feisty package appear on the Get-Cinelerra Page? ;-) Ciao Raffaella ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] UbuntuStudio
On 2007-04-19 11:02, Valentina Messeri wrote: muzzol [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha escrito: luckly gandalf did that: http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/blog/? trying to find time to build for amd64, although there's no an urgent need ciao Vale Are you in touch with gandalf? We can add these to the web page if he is ok with it. -- Kevin ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] Get-Cinelerra Page (was UbuntuStudio)
On 2007-04-21 08:41, Raffaella Traniello wrote: On Thu, 2007-04-19 at 13:17 +0200, Valentina Messeri wrote: luckly gandalf did that: http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/blog/? ...ABRACADABR... Hmm... No. ...BIBIDI BOBIDI BU No. It doesn't work either. Do you know any magic spell to make the Ubuntu Feisty package appear on the Get-Cinelerra Page? ;-) Ciao Raffaella Haha. :) No magic is required. The packager should send a message giving permission to add their packages to the web site. We don't want another incident of the host yelling that the packages are not for public consumption, do we? -- Kevin ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] Get-Cinelerra Page (was UbuntuStudio)
On 2007-04-21 14:05, Kevin Brosius wrote: On 2007-04-21 08:41, Raffaella Traniello wrote: On Thu, 2007-04-19 at 13:17 +0200, Valentina Messeri wrote: luckly gandalf did that: http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/blog/? ...ABRACADABR... Hmm... No. ...BIBIDI BOBIDI BU No. It doesn't work either. Do you know any magic spell to make the Ubuntu Feisty package appear on the Get-Cinelerra Page? ;-) Ciao Raffaella Haha. :) No magic is required. The packager should send a message giving permission to add their packages to the web site. We don't want another incident of the host yelling that the packages are not for public consumption, do we? Ta..Da. Page is updated. :) -- Kevin ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] Get-Cinelerra Page (was UbuntuStudio)
On Sat, 2007-04-21 at 14:52 -0400, Kevin Brosius wrote: Ta..Da. Page is updated. :) Wonderful I'll write it down: TA..DA is the working spell! ;-) I'm so glad you English speaking people are good in spelling! ;-) Thanks Raffaella On 2007-04-21 14:05, Kevin Brosius wrote: On 2007-04-21 08:41, Raffaella Traniello wrote: On Thu, 2007-04-19 at 13:17 +0200, Valentina Messeri wrote: luckly gandalf did that: http://www.kiberpipa.org/~gandalf/blog/? ...ABRACADABR... Hmm... No. ...BIBIDI BOBIDI BU No. It doesn't work either. Do you know any magic spell to make the Ubuntu Feisty package appear on the Get-Cinelerra Page? ;-) Ciao Raffaella Haha. :) No magic is required. The packager should send a message giving permission to add their packages to the web site. We don't want another incident of the host yelling that the packages are not for public consumption, do we? ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] again, interlacing
jonas joe, thanks for advice. jonas, i think it is o.k. to have interlaced video if it ist to be shown from dvd on a tv set. from joe's comments, i understand that it might be better to render video and audio into two separate streams, audio into ac3 and video to yuv4mpeg (instead of dv.mov). doing so, i got a popup with the following error messages from cinelerra: int YUVStream::read_header(): y4m_read_stream_header() failed: bad stream or frame header int YUVSream::open_read(char*): Bad YUV4MPEG2 header: parameter out of range however a working stream was generated, and after multiplexing i could put the result directly into todisc to make a dvd. no field swapping anymore. great. fantastic! so again, thank you very much, i am impressed. georg On Friday, 20. April 2007 18:18, Joe Friedrichsen wrote: Hi! Your mail comes across as double-spaced, which little difficult to read and reply to -- I can't see as much of what you say at one time. I re-formatted below for myself and others :-) On 4/19/07, Kurt Georg Hooss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi folks, maybe not a cinelerra problem in the strictest sense, however maybe someone here can hint me where to look. i have made a movie on dvd using kino (for grabbing), cinelerra (for editing and rendering to q4l.mov), tovid (for converting to dvd-compatible .mpg), and dvdauthor. when watching the results on the computer screen, there were the typical comb-like artifacts in horizontal movements, which actually did not really disturb me. however when watching the movie on a dvd player / tv screen, then all horizontal movements show such an intense flickering that it really gives me a headache, also with strong comb effects. the only sensible explanation seems that the fields are played in reverse order, i.e. say if the camera records top fields first, then the player shows bottom fields first, or vice versa. I would agree with that -- it sounds like the fields are playing in reverse order. to find out, i have experimented with the format settings in cinelerra and rendered four versions of a little test scene, each time starting cinelerra from scratch, setting the format, loading footage, rendering: 1. Preset PAL (interlace mode goes automatically to bottom fields first), 2. then changed interlace mode to none, without changing anything else, 3. and to top fields first, 4. and finally with preset PAL Progressive (50 fps). I have then converted these four test movies (tovid -pal -dvd ...) and combined them onto a test dvd (todisc -pal -dvd ...). but when playing on the dvd player + tv, all four looked the same, horribly flickering. so maybe it is not so much a problem with rendering in cinelerra, but with interlacing (and possibly swapping fields) in tovid, i don't know. anyone here who had any similar experiences? This is probably the best explanation, but it may depend on how you're rendering. Cinelerra at one point had dv-encoding struggles. In my experience, it was mainly a loss in quality as blocks became more visibly obvious. But there have been some discussions about libdv and I think these abnormalities have been resolved. I'm assuming that this is the case and that Cinelerra is correctly rendering back to quicktime for linux. My next question is why you are rendering to DV and then to MPEG when Cinelerra can go directly to MPEG with a pipe. See http://pengi.films.googlepages.com/shizuocha-pp_footage for an example; scroll down to the 'Exporting' section. Finally, I'm glad that you're using tovid to convert your footage! I'm one of the developers, and recently a user has added some excellent instructions about DV and bottom-fields-first interlacing encoding on our wiki: http://tovid.wikia.com/wiki/Dvsd_field_order_and_mplayer We're adding his efforts into the code base. It sounds like you have discovered some bugs in tovid as well, so please post about your experiencies on the mailing list or the forum: http://tovid.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page#Help Joe ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra -- dr.k.g.hooss wissenschaftliche medienberatung tel. +49-(0)451-3003-474 www.schoepfung-und-wandel.de ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] again, interlacing
On 4/21/07, Kurt Georg Hooss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from joe's comments, i understand that it might be better to render video and audio into two separate streams, audio into ac3 and video to yuv4mpeg (instead of dv.mov). doing so, i got a popup with the following error messages from cinelerra: int YUVStream::read_header(): y4m_read_stream_header() failed: bad stream or frame header int YUVSream::open_read(char*): Bad YUV4MPEG2 header: parameter out of range however a working stream was generated, and after multiplexing i could put the result directly into todisc to make a dvd. no field swapping anymore. great. fantastic! Great! I'm glad that it worked well. Those pop-up messages are new to me, so I don't have any insight there. Happy editing! Joe ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] High Definition Input
I am getting very serious about getting a new camera and I am leaning toward the Canon HV20. If I get one in the next few weeks I will definitely give this a try and let you know. Now if we could just get the blackmagic HDMI card working in Linux ... On 4/19/07, Dan Streetman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, looks like adding the patch made the email too big for the mailing list. So, the patch is on the sourceforge kino patches page. See email below for details. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1703694group_id=14103atid=314103 On 4/19/07, Dan Streetman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just sent an updated dvgrab patch to the kino-dev mailing list, which is much improved. Since there is interest on this list too, I'll attach a (bzip'ed) version here since everyone may not be on the kino-dev list. Apply the same as before of course. See --help for new options, specifically --hdv and --format mpeg2 are of interest. Also I added --showstatus because I like seeing exactly what's going on during capture... If anyone tries this with a non-Sony camera, please let me know if it does or doesn't work...and, if I could get some non-Sony HD sample clips, I would appreciate it...I pull the timecode, recording date, and scene change info out of a non-standard mpeg2 extension (i.e. Sony extension) so I'd like to see how other manufacturers put that info in. Thanks! On 4/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm using the hdv patch from kdenlive http://kdenlive.org/hdv.php To apply the patch Download cvs dvgrab 2.x copy the patch to that directory and do: patch -i whatever the name of the patch is.patch then build as normal. To use the patch if you type dvgrab --help you will notice there is a new option mpeg2 . Thats the hdv patch. capture by using dvgrab --mpeg2 I'm using a sony hcr3 Using test-mpeg2 I did not get avc control and got it working by running: test-mpeg2 | dvcont play Alas current cinelerra-cvs still has playback bug unresolved rendering 2 fps playback. Kind Regards Daniel Jircik -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no Sent: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [CinCVS] High Definition Input On Sun, 2007-15-04 at 22:56 +0200, Herman Robak wrote: On Sun, 2007-04-15 at 14:48 -0400, Fred Williams wrote: On Sun, 2007-15-04 at 14:50 +0200, Herman Robak wrote: There are three ways: 1) mpg1394grab, which is distributed as a single file of C source code. No idea how to install this, unfortunately It's rather obscure, and quite deprecated since libiec61883 came around. I have mirrored the single C source file here: http://www.nuug.no/pub/herman/mpg1394grab.c It must be linked with libraw1394 That's the part I don't know how to do. 2) test-mpeg2, which is found in the _source_ package for libiec61883 (available in Ubuntu's repositories) Synaptic says the libiec61883 library is installed, but I presume this is terminal stuff. When I type test-mpeg2 -h in, it's an unrecognizable command. Not part of the binary package. It's one of the examples in the source package. You can install and build that. Not much to it. :-) If you know how. (;-)) I used to work in computers, but it was a long time ago and in FORTRAN IV. 3) A patched version of dvgrab. This is apparently the most robust alternative, as it does proper buffering. I found the patch online, but have no idea how to install it. Nor do I. About time to suggest the patch to the developers of dvgrab, or create a hdvgrab fork. Good idea. Or, an upgrade to Kino, or the Cinelerra poeple could add it with the DV capability when they get around to it. ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra -- Thanks, Aaron Newcomb http://www.thesourceshow.org http://www.opennewsshow.org ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
