Re: [CinCV] xml into .avi or .mov

[Jose Legido]

Hello!

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Thiago Guagliardo Klohn
 wrote:
> Hey, Matthew -
>
> It worked as you instructed me, but the out come was a video with images in
> pink, green and blue colors mainly. How can it be fixed? Is there a name for
> that kind of erro so that I may research it?  I couldn't find an option to
> render my '.xml' as '.mov' either - there must be a way to do it, but I just
> couldn't find it.

How do you render your video?
Try first to render to dv.
File,render (shift +r)
Choose File Format "Raw DV" and rebder video tracks.



> As a matter of fact, I've been a Linux user for the last 6
> years and I prefer it to Micro$oft, specially because it forces you to learn
> a lot of new things, but it doesn't seem obvious if you don't know much
> about computers. Anyway, thanks a lot for your hand!
>
> Thiago
>
> --- On Mon, 2/3/09, msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca 
> wrote:
>
> From: msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca 
> Subject: Re: [CinCV] xml into .avi or .mov
> To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no
> Date: Monday, 2 March, 2009, 3:56 PM
>
> On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Thiago Guagliardo Klohn wrote:
>> I'd like to know if it's possible to take a '.xml' video
>> that I have edited and save it in '.avi' or '.mov' simply
> by using
>> the key "save as". I have Cinelerra manual and there it
>
> "Save as" allows you to choose the *name* of the file and only the
> name.
> It will always be an XML file.  If you save it as .avi, it'll be an XML
> file with a name ending in .avi.  The XML files created by Cinelerra are
> not "videos"; they are edit lists, that is, sets of instructions on
> how to
> create the video.
>
> What you probably want to do instead is render the edit list into a video
> file with the render command.
>  That will also give you a choice of what
> name to call it; I strongly suggest that you choose a filename extension
> matching the format you choose, so choose a name ending in .avi if you're
> creating an AVI file, and so on.
>
> Rendering is a much different operation from saving; it involves actually
> pulling chunks out of the source files and re-encoding them to create the
> finished video stream, whereas saving the edit list just saves the list of
> instructions on how to eventually do the render.  Normally you only rarely
> want to render, because it's time-consuming and may involve a quality
> loss; while working on your project you just load and save the XML edit
> lists and then when you're finally finished you render the result.
> When you watch your project during editing the editor renders parts of it
> on demand.
>
>> it the way I want? Is it a bug or a problem because I'm a Kubuntu
>> 7.10 user?
>
> Not to be
>  rude, but it sounds to me like a bug or problem because you're a
> Windows user.  The whole thing of file names being inextricably linked to
> the type of their contents is a Windows aberration; under Linux and most
> other operating systems, you can give any file any name and if you give it
> a misleading name (like naming an XML file "movie.mov") that's
> your
> problem.
>
> "Save as" .avi all you want; it will still *be* an XML file because
> that
> is what Cinelerra produces.
> --
> Matthew Skala
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> http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/
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Re: [CinCV] How to move keyframes

[Norval Watson]

Yep, that is probably the mysterious arrow key function I have noticed.
I wish I could do it with the other types of keyframes!






From: James Cook 
To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no
Sent: Tuesday, 3 March, 2009 1:32:00 PM
Subject: Re: [CinCV] How to move keyframes

If you're keyframing the fade, you can click on the fader in the patch bay, 
then use the arrow keys to adjust it up and down.  If you have "generate 
keyframes while tweeking" set to on, then a keyframe will be created as you 
adjust the fade up and down.  

I'm not sure of a way to adjust the levels using the arrow keys for other 
things that are keyframable, like camera position.

Jim


On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Norval Watson  wrote:

Thanks Jim!
I just discovered the Tool  icon in the Compositor that brings up a textbox 
where I can enter numeric values or use the mouse wheel to increase or decrease 
keyframe values. But I still can't work out how to get keyboard up- and 
down-arrows to alter keyframe values.


 My blog - http://www.longforest.com





From: James Cook 
To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no
Sent: Tuesday, 3 March, 2009 12:13:31 PM
Subject: Re: [CinCV] How to move keyframes

- Show quoted text -

You could delete the old keyframe and make a new one at a specific time using 
manual goto (press the g key).

Jim


On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Norval Watson  wrote:


How I can I move keyframes by some method other than mouse click-drag?
I have sometimes been able to move them with up-arrow and down-arrow but I 
don't know how to do this at will.
Also I would like to enter a numeric value somewhere instead of using mouse.
I have limited hand function so mousing is difficult for me.
Norv

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Re: [CinCV] How to move keyframes

[James Cook]

If you're keyframing the fade, you can click on the fader in the patch bay,
then use the arrow keys to adjust it up and down.  If you have "generate
keyframes while tweeking" set to on, then a keyframe will be created as you
adjust the fade up and down.

I'm not sure of a way to adjust the levels using the arrow keys for other
things that are keyframable, like camera position.

Jim

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Norval Watson  wrote:

> Thanks Jim!
> I just discovered the Tool  icon in the Compositor that brings up a
> textbox where I can enter numeric values or use the mouse wheel to increase
> or decrease keyframe values. But I still can't work out how to get keyboard
> up- and down-arrows to alter keyframe values.
>
> My blog - http://www.longforest.com
>
> --
> *From:* James Cook 
> *To:* cinelerra@skolelinux.no
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 3 March, 2009 12:13:31 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [CinCV] How to move keyframes
> - Show quoted text -
>
> You could delete the old keyframe and make a new one at a specific time
> using manual goto (press the g key).
>
> Jim
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Norval Watson wrote:
>
>>
>> How I can I move keyframes by some method other than mouse click-drag?
>> I have sometimes been able to move them with up-arrow and down-arrow but I
>> don't know how to do this at will.
>> Also I would like to enter a numeric value somewhere instead of using
>> mouse.
>> I have limited hand function so mousing is difficult for me.
>> Norv
>>
>>  My blog - http://www.longforest.com
>>
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Re: [CinCV] How to move keyframes

[Norval Watson]

Thanks Jim!
I just discovered the Tool  icon in the Compositor that brings up a textbox 
where I can enter numeric values or use the mouse wheel to increase or decrease 
keyframe values. But I still can't work out how to get keyboard up- and 
down-arrows to alter keyframe values.

 My blog - http://www.longforest.com





From: James Cook 
To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no
Sent: Tuesday, 3 March, 2009 12:13:31 PM
Subject: Re: [CinCV] How to move keyframes

You could delete the old keyframe and make a new one at a specific time using 
manual goto (press the g key).

Jim


On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Norval Watson  wrote:


How I can I move keyframes by some method other than mouse click-drag?
I have sometimes been able to move them with up-arrow and down-arrow but I 
don't know how to do this at will.
Also I would like to enter a numeric value somewhere instead of using mouse.
I have limited hand function so mousing is difficult for me.
Norv

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Re: [CinCV] How to move keyframes

[James Cook]

You could delete the old keyframe and make a new one at a specific time
using manual goto (press the g key).

Jim

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Norval Watson  wrote:

>
> How I can I move keyframes by some method other than mouse click-drag?
> I have sometimes been able to move them with up-arrow and down-arrow but I
> don't know how to do this at will.
> Also I would like to enter a numeric value somewhere instead of using
> mouse.
> I have limited hand function so mousing is difficult for me.
> Norv
>
>  My blog - http://www.longforest.com
>
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[CinCV] How to move keyframes

[Norval Watson]

How I can I move keyframes by some method other than mouse click-drag?
I have sometimes been able to move them with up-arrow and down-arrow but I 
don't know how to do this at will.
Also I would like to enter a numeric value somewhere instead of using mouse.
I have limited hand function so mousing is difficult for me.
Norv

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[CinCV] Re: Problem compiling Cinelerra on Ubuntu Hardy

[James Cook]

>
> I reinstalled cinelerra from the akirad repository, so I could let you
> know what errors I was getting using the yuv4mpeg stream.  Whatever
> the problem was must have been fixed since the last time I tried using
> it (maybe 6 months ago).  Both mpeg2enc and ffmpeg methods worked
> fine.


I would like to correct my previous statement.

There are two packages in synaptic that I uninstalled before my adventures
with compiling began:
1) cinelerracv-gl (version 2.1.1-git090131akirad2)
2) cinelerra-generic (version 1:2.1.0-1svn20081017akirad2)

If I install only cinelerracv-gl, then the yuv4mpeg stream works fine with
both mpeg2enc and ffmpeg.  However, playback of video in the viewer and
compositor is messed up.  It seems like it keeps jumping back several frames
as it is playing.

If I install both packages, then the yuv4mpeg stream works fine with
mpeg2enc but I get errors with ffmpeg (see below).  But in this case,
playback is perfect.

yuv4mpeg stream w/ ffmpeg errors.  I get the following line repeated 4
times.
int YUVStream::write_frame(uint8_t**):write_frame() failed: system error
(failed read/write)

I have the latest svn of ffmpeg installed.


Jim

On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Andreas Hermann Braml 
wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Am Samstag 28 Februar 2009 22:45:44 schrieb James Cook:
>> Would there be any other benefit to compiling from source?  Someone
>> mentioned that ffmpeg is crippled in ubuntu hardy.  Would you
>> recommend installing a different version of ffmpeg?
>
> You might try the one from Medibuntu.
> deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ hardy free non-free
>
> But _only_ when you come to the point where the Hardy packages of FFMPEG
lack
> some codec you desperately need. As long as it does what you want, better
> stick with the package that comes with Hardy.
> That's just my experience, you may have radically different needs.
>
>
> Yours,
> pseudoruprecht
>

Re: [CinCV] xml into .avi or .mov

[Thiago Guagliardo Klohn]

Hey, Matthew -

It worked as you instructed me, but the out come was a video with images in 
pink, green and blue colors mainly. How can it be fixed? Is there a name for 
that kind of erro so that I may research it?  I couldn't find an option to 
render my '.xml' as '.mov' either - there must be a way to do it, but I just 
couldn't find it. As a matter of fact, I've been a Linux user for the last 6 
years and I prefer it to Micro$oft, specially because it forces you to learn a 
lot of new things, but it doesn't seem obvious if you don't know much about 
computers. Anyway, thanks a lot for your hand!

Thiago

--- On Mon, 2/3/09, msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca  wrote:
From: msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca 
Subject: Re: [CinCV] xml into .avi or .mov
To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no
Date: Monday, 2 March, 2009, 3:56 PM

On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Thiago Guagliardo Klohn wrote:
> I'd like to know if it's possible to take a '.xml' video
> that I have edited and save it in '.avi' or '.mov' simply
by using
> the key "save as". I have Cinelerra manual and there it

"Save as" allows you to choose the *name* of the file and only the
name.
It will always be an XML file.  If you save it as .avi, it'll be an XML
file with a name ending in .avi.  The XML files created by Cinelerra are
not "videos"; they are edit lists, that is, sets of instructions on
how to
create the video.

What you probably want to do instead is render the edit list into a video
file with the render command.  That will also give you a choice of what
name to call it; I strongly suggest that you choose a filename extension
matching the format you choose, so choose a name ending in .avi if you're
creating an AVI file, and so on.

Rendering is a much different operation from saving; it involves actually
pulling chunks out of the source files and re-encoding them to create the
finished video stream, whereas saving the edit list just saves the list of
instructions on how to eventually do the render.  Normally you only rarely
want to render, because it's time-consuming and may involve a quality
loss; while working on your project you just load and save the XML edit
lists and then when you're finally finished you render the result.
When you watch your project during editing the editor renders parts of it
on demand.

> it the way I want? Is it a bug or a problem because I'm a Kubuntu
> 7.10 user?

Not to be rude, but it sounds to me like a bug or problem because you're a
Windows user.  The whole thing of file names being inextricably linked to
the type of their contents is a Windows aberration; under Linux and most
other operating systems, you can give any file any name and if you give it
a misleading name (like naming an XML file "movie.mov") that's
your
problem.

"Save as" .avi all you want; it will still *be* an XML file because
that
is what Cinelerra produces.
-- 
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Re: [CinCV] DVD longer than half an hour?

[Ron Sparks]

On Sunday 22 February 2009 03:02:34 pm John Detwiler wrote:
> 2. I've been following the workflow in the Cinelerra manual for
> publishing to DVD, and it works just fine.  That is:
>
> - render to foo.ac3 and foo.m2v from Cinelerra
> - ffmpeg -i foo.ac3 -i foo.m2v -target ntsc-dvd foo.mpg
> - dvdauthor (with appropriate XML for multiple 'chapters')
> - mkisofs
> - burn to DVD (standard utility)
>
> 3. Standard DVD+R have 4.7 GB capacity, and hold about half an hour of
> mpg's.  My finished project (including 'feature' and 'extras') will be
> at least 60-90 minutes altogether.

John, 
I follow pretty much the same work flow you describe above and can easily get 
100+ 
minutes of video on a standard DVD.  It depends on the size/rate of the final 
rendered 
foo.mpg file(s).

I usually use dvdstyler for creating Menus, Chapters, etc, and the iso, then 
burn the 
iso with k3b. dvdstyler seems to handle some non-dvd compliant file formats, 
converting them to what is needed( e.g. bitrate, frame rate-NTSC/PAL, etc)

This method works well for me, allowing me to check menu operations, etc with 
dvdstyler preview mode using Xine and seeing the size of the final iso file.  
If its 
too large, you can consider using k9copy to shrink the file to fit on a single 
dvd.
HTH
Ron
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Re: [CinCV] xml into .avi or .mov

[mskala]

On Mon, 2 Mar 2009, Thiago Guagliardo Klohn wrote:
> I'd like to know if it's possible to take a '.xml' video
> that I have edited and save it in '.avi' or '.mov' simply by using
> the key "save as". I have Cinelerra manual and there it

"Save as" allows you to choose the *name* of the file and only the name.
It will always be an XML file.  If you save it as .avi, it'll be an XML
file with a name ending in .avi.  The XML files created by Cinelerra are
not "videos"; they are edit lists, that is, sets of instructions on how to
create the video.

What you probably want to do instead is render the edit list into a video
file with the render command.  That will also give you a choice of what
name to call it; I strongly suggest that you choose a filename extension
matching the format you choose, so choose a name ending in .avi if you're
creating an AVI file, and so on.

Rendering is a much different operation from saving; it involves actually
pulling chunks out of the source files and re-encoding them to create the
finished video stream, whereas saving the edit list just saves the list of
instructions on how to eventually do the render.  Normally you only rarely
want to render, because it's time-consuming and may involve a quality
loss; while working on your project you just load and save the XML edit
lists and then when you're finally finished you render the result.
When you watch your project during editing the editor renders parts of it
on demand.

> it the way I want? Is it a bug or a problem because I'm a Kubuntu
> 7.10 user?

Not to be rude, but it sounds to me like a bug or problem because you're a
Windows user.  The whole thing of file names being inextricably linked to
the type of their contents is a Windows aberration; under Linux and most
other operating systems, you can give any file any name and if you give it
a misleading name (like naming an XML file "movie.mov") that's your
problem.

"Save as" .avi all you want; it will still *be* an XML file because that
is what Cinelerra produces.
-- 
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Re: [CinCV] xml into .avi or .mov

[Daniel Jircik]

The .xml file is your edit decision list used internally by cinelerra to
remember your edit. It's not the final output. You need to render the file
to your desired output format.
ciao
Daniel

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Thiago Guagliardo Klohn <
thiago_kl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> I'd like to know if it's possible to take a '.xml' video that I have edited
> and save it in '.avi' or '.mov' simply by using the key "save as". I have
> Cinelerra manual and there it says that before saving a video if I don't
> choose an extension, it'll automatically save as '.xml', but as matter of
> fact, it doesn't really matter if I choose an extension on my own, it still
> saving everything as '.xml'. For example:
>
>
>  I have a video, let supose, called "birds1.mov". Then I edit it and after
> I go to the "save as" key and type on the top window "bird1.mov" - because I
> want to save it as '.mov'. But then, after clicking ok, it shows up as saved
> as "bird1.mov.xml". Why? How can have it the way I want? Is it a bug or a
> problem because I'm a Kubuntu 7.10 user?
>
>
> **
>
>

[CinCV] xml into .avi or .mov

[Thiago Guagliardo Klohn]

I'd like to know if it's possible to take a '.xml' video
that I have edited and save it in '.avi' or '.mov' simply by using
the key "save as". I have Cinelerra manual and there it
says that before saving a video if I don't choose an extension, it'll
automatically save as '.xml', but as matter of fact, it doesn't
really matter if I choose an extension on my own, it still saving
everything as '.xml'. For example:



I have a video, let
supose, called "birds1.mov". Then I edit it and after I go
to the "save as" key and type on the top window "bird1.mov"
- because I want to save it as '.mov'. But then, after clicking ok,
it shows up as saved as "bird1.mov.xml". Why? How can have
it the way I want? Is it a bug or a problem because I'm a Kubuntu
7.10 user?






  

Re: [CinCV] Working with HD

[Scott C. Frase]

On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 18:09 +0100, Jose Legido wrote:
> hello! I want to edit hd video (.mts extension) with cinelerra.
> I have a canon HG21 with hard disk that saves directly .mts files with
> H264 codec

Jose,
Everyone's workflow is different, but Quicktime and MPEG container
formats are the most compatible with Cinelerra:
http://crazedmuleproductions.blogspot.com/2008/12/fedora-10-x86-64-compability-chart.html

My own workflow looks something like this:
http://crazedmuleproductions.blogspot.com/2009/02/dark-of-winter-has-me-in-its-grasp.html#mpegts

There are some folks on this list who have the older Canon HV20 and they
could probably lead you to a more exact solution.

I see from a google search on "cinelerra hv20 conversion", the first
link may be useful to you:
http://www.google.com/search?q=cinelerra+hv20
+conversion&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

After doing your research, if you are still have difficulty, you could
post a very short (<10sec) clip somewhere on the web and we could take a
look at it for you.

scott


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Re: [CinCV] Importing H.264 AVI for editing and DVD

[Terje J. Hanssen]

On 2009-02-28 Terje J. Hanssen wrote

>>
>>> I can playback this 1280x720 H.264 AVI clip with Xine on openSUSE 11.1
>>> in fullscreen mode on a 1920x1200 display. Gnome Mplayer also worked in
>>> normal mode, but didn't playback fullscreen video (dual window, one
>>> statical)
>>>
>>> Cinelerra File>Load files.. was not able to determine the format of this
>>> H.264 AVI clip, at least not with the default settings.
>>>
>>> Q1) Is it neccessary to convert or 'transcode' the clip with other tools
>>> first or use especial settings in Cinelerra before loading and
>>> editing ??
>>>
>>> Q2) And for DVD?

I've done the following steps so far:

First, to get an overview of the H.264 AVI clip format:

ffmpeg -i clip0021.avi
.
Input #0, avi, from 'clip0021.avi':
 Duration: 00:01:41.76, start: 0.00, bitrate: 4242 kb/s
   Stream #0.0: Video: h264, yuv420p, 1280x720, 30.00 tb(r)
   Stream #0.1: Audio: adpcm_ms, 22050 Hz, mono, s16, 88 kb/s


1) Converted to MPEG2 1280x720p (by modifying the dvd video template)

ffmpeg -i clip0021.avi -target pal-dvd -s 1280x720 clip0021_1280x720.mpg


2 a) Converted to DVD video 720x576 PAL (by cropping both sides)

ffmpeg -i clip0021.avi -cropleft 160 -cropright 160 -target pal-dvd
-aspect 4:3 clip0021.mpg

2 b) Converted to DVD video 720x576 PAL (by adding black panels on top
and bottom, wide letterbox)

ffmpeg -i clip0021.avi -target pal-dvd -s 720x404 -padtop 86 -padbottom
86 clip0021_ltrbox.mpg


I would like to get comments, possibly other suggestions to the above !!


Rgds,
Terje





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