from:"Nicolas"


Hi list,

Months after months, I keep fighting to keep me from quitting using 
Cinelerra, because I spend more time trying to find workarounds and 
accepting all its crashes, because once in a while, I still manage to 
achieve some success, but believe me, this is tough.


I am now able to use motion tracking, stabilization, chromakey, trivial 
masking, PIP, and effects. This took me almost 6 months because I also 
have a job and a family to deal with :)


This post is here to ask a general question, and a precise one :

I'm using Ubuntu Oneiric and Cinelerra CV 2.1.5-0.16.
I'm experiencing many many crashes and I am a very very patient man.

* General question : Are the different others release of Cinelerra more 
stable, and do they deserve I try to install them. According to what 
I've understood, my other choice may be :

- HV's version, but have to compile
- Last CV from SVN (or git, didn't understand), and I could also try to 
compile it

And most of it : would that give me a more stable Cinelerra.
My low skills do not pretend to need last features, but stability is 
crucial.


* Precise question : I think I understood the main problem came from the 
input files, and I'm starting to spend much time on pre-converting my 
rushes before feeding the beast. On the video point of view, I seem to 
have a good result. But sound keeps being a problem.
When I read this table : 
http://cinelerra.org/docs/wiki/doku.php?id=supported_file_formats

I'm frightened to see that crashes is the most frequent word.

Nowadays I'm converting my input files with ffmpeg :
-vcodec mjpeg -vtag MJPG   for the video
and
-acodec pcm_s16le
or
-acodec libmp3lame
for the sound
In both cases, the playback in the viewer instantly crashes Cinelerra.

I read 759 To of Google answer webpages about the best ways to feed 
Cinelerra, and my results are varying (weird : the converted files 
should all work or fail)...


(I wrote my own notes : http://jms.ecarnot.net/doku.php?id=montagevideo)

The table above shows mp3 is not a good option for input files. Ok. More 
generally, what am I missing, what should I do best, what are your advices?


I strongly want to keep using Cinelerra, but today, I need a little help.

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Re: [CinCV] Format and crashes, especially sound


Le 06/11/2011 16:36, Michal Fapso a écrit :

Hi Nicolas,


Hi Michal,

Thanks for your fast reply.


Thanks for sharing your notes. I use the official 2.1.5 release as
well. It took me a while to find some tricks against the crashes:

- try not to use undo ('z' key). Especially when I remove some object
from the timeline and then undo that, it use to crash. (gdb stops at
some caching methods ...probably a locking problem, but I am not sure.
It is difficult for me to trace that deeper.)


I keep this information in my memory, but the most frequent issues I 
have is :

- cinelerra is not running
- I launch cinelerra
- I load a small 1M avi file, containing mjpeg and audio that should work
- I push playback
- I roll the dice on my desktop
- When the dice stops on an edge, Cinelerra plays video and sound like 
described here :

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1301454
Otherwise, it crashes.

If I disarm the audio track, cinelerra does not crash that frequently.
That's why I keep playing with it, but with no sound...


- images smaller than the format used for cinelerra project lead to
crash in playback. When I use portrait oriented images in a slideshow,
I always scale them to be at least as wide as the project format.


Yes, I also experienced that one, and solved it the same way.


- when cinelerra crashes anyway, I rerun it and use File -  Load
backup :o) and I also try to make backups manually.


Today, I started playing cinelerra one hour ago, and I think I reloaded 
it... say... 50 times... :/


Did I say I was patient?

Anyway, it looks like there's a problem in my sound setup (setup that is 
perfectly working with any other app, including pitivi, openshot, vlc, 
whatever-5.12.3...)


Following some recommendations, I set Audio driver on esound, with no 
server and port = 7007, and either cin. crashes, either I get an audio 
garbage which made my right ear bleed.
Funny thing is nmap -v localhost does not show anything on port 7007, 
neither tcp nor udp...


Still searching...
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Re: [CinCV] Format and crashes, especially sound


Le 06/11/2011 18:03, Michal Fapso a écrit :

Hi Nicolas,

could you put somewhere the avi file that is causing problems to you?
Or send it to my email. Also according to
http://cinelerra.org/docs/wiki/doku.php?id=supported_file_formats the
AVI container is not so well supported by cinelerra. Maybe you could
try Quicktime (.mov) instead.


In fact, I posted this page as a reference, but reading it again for the 
eleventh time, I'm thinking it's not clear if it deals with input or 
rendering.
On a personal side, I greatly improved my import issues by converting my 
videos into MJPEG (and storing them in avi container).





If I disarm the audio track, cinelerra does not crash that frequently.
That's why I keep playing with it, but with no sound...


This is also my experience. Finally I did not use the sound of my
video clips and ended up only with few songs as a background music
(converted to .wav) and that works well.


Sounds like I always did the same, but now I need the source sound, so 
time has come for this new fight. Read below...





Today, I started playing cinelerra one hour ago, and I think I reloaded
it... say... 50 times... :/


U. That is patience, indeed! Can you somehow isolate the steps
that lead to the crash? Does it happen during playback, moving objects
around timeline, ...? Do you know how to work with GDB debugger? When
cinelerra crases, it can tell you where in the code it happened and
other useful stuff which can tell you more about the crash.


I could post the avi file, but the issue arises (or not) with different 
files, avi, mov, mp4, sometimes in mjpeg, sometimes in different other 
codecs.


I finaly did that : I understood this brave old DV format was rock 
solid, so I ffmpeg-converted a file into DV, then ffmpeg -i it to see 
what sound codec was used. It was pcm_s16le.
I then re-encoded the mp3 I was trying to insert, into wav with the 
pcm_s16le codec.


I also got rid of the Esound/void/7007 setting in cinelerra, and 
returned to ALSA.


Eventually, I will try to do the same on a whole large file (coming from 
a gopro) into MJPEG + pcm_s16le. I don't know if that makes sense, but 
if this allows me to work with cinelerra, my goal is reached.


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[CinCV] Quicktime for linux / MPEG-4 Video : crash when rendering


Hi List,

Since my struggle 6 hours ago, and a victory for me (convert everything 
to MJPEG+wav, and stick to ALSA), I really progressed.


Until now!

My editing work is over, and I would like to render it.
I'm still using the same old setting I'm using for at least 6 months 
(ie. quicktime for linux, mpeg4-video, and audio two complement) and I 
see cinelerra crashing.
Actually, it stalls, but as I run it from a terminal, I see it crashes 
and waits (must ctrl-c it to quit).


- First thought : my editing has an issue?
I load an old work I rendered dozens of times with the same rendering 
settings : crash!

- I tried to render my brand recent work in ogg/thoera : OK
- I tried to render it sound only (ie. quicktime for linux (mov) and 
audio only) : it's working

So video is an issue.

Here's what I get on my terminal :

---

Cinelerra 2.1.5CV (C) 2010 Heroine Virtual Ltd.
Compiled on Mon Oct 24 17:26:23 UTC 2011

Cinelerra is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License,
and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under
certain conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for Cinelerra.
Render::run 1
Render::run 2
Render::run 3
Render::run 4
Render::run 5
Render::run 6
Render::run 7
Render::run 8
Render::run 8.1
Render::run 8.2
Render::run 8.3
Render::run 9
Render::run 10
[mpeg4 @ 0x12fb8e0]removing common factors from framerate
signal_entry: got SIGSEGV my pid=3953 execution table size=16:
vrender.C: process_buffer: 124
vrender.C: process_buffer: 134
vrender.C: process_buffer: 124
vrender.C: process_buffer: 134
vrender.C: process_buffer: 124
vrender.C: process_buffer: 134
vrender.C: process_buffer: 124
vrender.C: process_buffer: 134
vrender.C: process_buffer: 124
vrender.C: process_buffer: 134
vrender.C: process_buffer: 124
vrender.C: process_buffer: 134
vrender.C: process_buffer: 124
vrender.C: process_buffer: 134
vrender.C: process_buffer: 124
vrender.C: process_buffer: 134
signal_entry: lock table size=13
0xa871758 CWindowTool::input_lock CWindowTool::run
0xa1e00e8 BC_Synchronous::next_command BC_Synchronous::run
0xa9460b0 MainIndexes::input_lock MainIndexes::run 1
0xa945b20 TransportQue::output_lock PlaybackEngine::run
0xa895058 TransportQue::output_lock PlaybackEngine::run
0xa9b80c8 ResourceThread::draw_lock ResourceThread::run
0xa8bd6a8 BC_WindowBase::event_condition BC_WindowBase::get_event
0xa6ab518 BC_WindowBase::event_condition BC_WindowBase::get_event
0xa8966a0 BC_WindowBase::event_condition BC_WindowBase::get_event
0xa7d67b0 BC_WindowBase::event_condition BC_WindowBase::get_event
0xa9e8b10 BC_WindowBase::event_condition BC_WindowBase::get_event
0xa947e98 BC_WindowBase::event_condition BC_WindowBase::get_event
0xa7dc9290 FileThread::file_lock FileThread::run 2 *
BC_Signals::dump_buffers: buffer table size=0
BC_Signals::delete_temps: deleting 0 temp files
SigHandler::signal_handler total files=1
Closing /home/user/pathToFile/file.mov

---

As I can not render anymore the project I was able to previously, the 
only change I see is I upgraded from ubuntu 11.04 to 11.10.

So were there some changes around Quicktime for linux in between?

None of you noticed anything?

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[CinCV] Cinelarra CV and translations

2011-03-25 Thread Nicolas Bardier

Hello

I am in charge of configuring Linux computers that will be massively
deployed in highschools in Uruguay.
Does Cinelarra CV support spanish translations? how?

Thanks!


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Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra on Fedora RPMFusion - was Fedora installation instructions

2010-01-28 Thread Nicolas Chauvet

I used to make package for cinelerra-cv on my own repository in a way
compatible with RPM Fusion  (as one of the RPM Fusion contributor).
As I've submitted a preliminary review request here:
https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118

Once that said I have no time to improve the package currently.
So If one want to take over...



2010/1/28 Scott C. Frase sfra...@comcast.net:
 Thanks John,
 I'll take a look at that link.
 scott

 http://crazedmuleproductions.blogspot.com

 On Thu, 28 Jan 2010, John Griffiths wrote:

 Cinelerra used to be in RPMFusion. Matthias used to make the package but
 apparently lost interest in Cinelerra. RPMFusion has a way of contributing
 packages. http://rpmfusion.org/Contributors .

 Regards,
 John

 On 01/28/2010 05:30 AM, cinelerra-requ...@skolelinux.no wrote:

 Is there any way to get Cinelerra into RPM Fusion? Is there some
 licensing problem? Or is it hard to get the built-in version of ffmpeg
 past the quality controls? Or avoid conflicts with the Fusion-packaged
 ffmpeg?


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Re: Fedora 9 export compatibility (was Re: [CinCV] Re: Fedora Cinelerra frustrations)

2008-12-18 Thread Nicolas Chauvet

2008/12/18 Scott C. Frase sfra...@comcast.net:
 This seems to be broken. I tested a number of formats against
 extrnal
 players as well as reimporting back into Cinelerra.  Disturbingly, none
 reimport back into Cinelerra.  To say again, I previously could reimport
 the libquicktime created .mov with jpeg and twos complement or mp3 audio
 back into Cin.  Now I can't.  Here is the chart of my results:
 http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_bcLw_LVf5nA/SUkyzen4lQI/AzE/3_8ECSV6t4k=
 /s1600-h/exportCompabilityFedora9.jpg

 Have you noticed that exporting/rendering compatibility has degraded in
 your Fedora 10 install?

 Guys,
 I guess I'd better get more sleep.  I had 24-bit selected instead of 16-bit 
 for
 the twos complement.  Duh.

 I also decided to start fresh with Fedora 10.  Renders are working better,
 but there still seems to be some issues with Quicktime.  I'll need more time 
 to investigate.
I stay tuned... (will be on vacation for a week, but I won't be that far).

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Re: [CinCV] Re: Fedora Cinelerra frustrations

2008-12-13 Thread Nicolas Chauvet

2008/12/13 Scott C. Frase sfra...@comcast.net:
 On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 20:00 +0100, Nicolas Chauvet wrote:
 2008/12/2 John Griffiths cinele...@grifent.com:
  I hope that someone will be kind enough to address these questions:
 
   1. Is there a build of Cinelerra that runs correctly on Fedora 10?
   2. If the answer to 1 is no, is there a Linux distribution for which
  there is a build of Cinelerra that does run correctly?

 cinelerra-cv is available in the kwizart repository as cinelerra-cv
 review for RPM Fusion is here:
 https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118
 bug should be reported on the review until the package is approved.

 atrpms isn't compliant with both Fedora and RPM Fusion. if you have
 mixed packages with this monkey repository you can re-install your
 system. (uninstalling the repository won't be enought)
 There is enought warning from over the web so that you cannot be surprised.
 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnMahowald/ATrpmsWarning

 Nicolas (kwizart)


 On my month old build of Fedora 9, x86-64, I'm using ATrpms for a small set 
 of, but very important, Cinelerra dependencies, sixteen programs in all:
Could you give the same kind of tests with F-10 x86_64 and RPM Fusion
i bet you won't have any others issues
(if you pick the cinelerra-cv package from my own repository)

The problem with ATrpms is that there is only one person behind, and
he lacks time raising compilation problem upstream. Instead, RPM
Fusion is community maintained and contributors are working with
merging their patches upstream. So the RPM Fusion works will also
benefit to others and will allow a better knowledge base, when
answering possible bug reports. (usually).

I doubt anyone having a comprehensive understanding of the difference
between each of theses repository will pick even one package from
ATrpms.

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Re: [CinCV] i would like to contribute my help

2008-12-02 Thread Nicolas Chauvet

2008/12/1 Tom Judge [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi:

 I am a 30+ year Television Engineer Veterin. Relative new to Linux (1998)
 Now run Fedora Linux and very impresee and interrested (and frustrated at
 times) with cinelerra and would like to help. I know a little about a lot of
 different programming languages, I am very good at technical writing and
 documantation and I also need help as I have been unable so far to get a
 stable versuion running on my fedora.

 let me know what I cvan do to help and possible get a bit of a jumpstart on
 my own system
Hello Tom.

I have a cinelerra RPM package for Fedora 10 (and older) x86_64 and x86
from my personal repository.
http://rpms.kwizart.net/

This package is been reviewed for RPM Fusion inclusion.
https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118

If you want to improve compile hack cinelerra but don't want to start
from scratch, you can use the RPM Fusion repository along with the
cinelerra package I have.

One of the annoying problem Fedora package have is that fonts.dir
support is removed, and cinelerra lack support of a newer fontconfig
method. I think fonts are only used by one module effect.
For now i''m only using a hack that point the fonts search path to the
system fonts directory, but there is a need to regenerate fonts.dir to
use system fonts, which is a deprecated method and thus, not done
anymore in Fedora.
That way, it will be possible to remove the mscorefonts, which
redistribution in this form is illegal anyway.(and prevent the Fedora
package to be included).

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Re: [CinCV] Re: Fedora Cinelerra frustrations

2008-12-02 Thread Nicolas Chauvet

2008/12/2 John Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I hope that someone will be kind enough to address these questions:

  1. Is there a build of Cinelerra that runs correctly on Fedora 10?
  2. If the answer to 1 is no, is there a Linux distribution for which
 there is a build of Cinelerra that does run correctly?

cinelerra-cv is available in the kwizart repository as cinelerra-cv
review for RPM Fusion is here:
https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118
bug should be reported on the review until the package is approved.

atrpms isn't compliant with both Fedora and RPM Fusion. if you have
mixed packages with this monkey repository you can re-install your
system. (uninstalling the repository won't be enought)
There is enought warning from over the web so that you cannot be surprised.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnMahowald/ATrpmsWarning

Nicolas (kwizart)


They are few notes that

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Re: [CinCV] Re: Fedora Cinelerra frustrations

2008-12-02 Thread Nicolas Chauvet

2008/12/2 E Chalaron [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 personally, i prefer suse over ubuntu
 because the administration is still more unix-like.


 ??? I am not alone  =-O

 To complete
 It does compile without a single issue on SUSE 11
 Cheers
Note that It does also for Fedora. but the problem is that cinelerra
needs to be raised to the fedora guidelines. Others distro have often
lower rules... the only problem cinelerra is facing for Fedora via
rpmfusion.org is the illegal fonts redistribution from Microsoft.
Once this problem is solved, the Fedora devs will start renewing its
v4l2 implementation within the Fedora Rawhide (meant developement)
version.

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[CinCV] [Patches] cinelerra for Fedora 9 (compatible with rpm.livna.org)

2008-05-19 Thread Nicolas Chauvet


Hi all!

Here are the patches used for the pre-build Fedora 9 version of cinelerra.

Howto (x86 and x86_64).

su -
rpm -ivh http://rpm.livna.org/livna-release-9.rpm
rpm -ivh http://rpms.kwizart.net/kwizart-release-9.rpm
yum install cinelerra
And that's all - no need to tweak anything more.
(the kernel.shmmax parameter will be handled in /etc/sysctl.conf)
Please note that mixing incompatibles repository with livna will lead to 
well knwown problems.


About the patches:

Libaries:
- I would like to avoid using internals version of dependant libraries 
to use system ones instead. This concern libmpeg3 ffmpeg and 
mpeg2dec(which could be replaced with twolame i guess).


Fonts
- The cinelerra package bundles many fonts (used by the title plugins) 
that doesn't seems even redistributable (usually found with the 
mscorefonts package).
This should be avoided since this will leads to the fonts to be provided 
 twice; and it will save about 6Mb for the cinelerra package.
Instead cinelerra should scan in the system fonts directory 
(/usr/share/fonts ) for system fonts.
Actually, it searches for the fonts.dir catalog file expected in each 
directory. In a Fedora system, some fonts package bundled this kind
of file, but this is deprecated for at least two years. Packages should 
use fontconfig or else to use system fonts.
The workaround would be to use ttmkfdir mkfontdir in each directories to 
regenerate system fonts.


LibGL
The patch is aimed to fix a problem with libGL, but it fails on Fedora 
(that has libGL.so for mesa and even nVidia) - This kind of workaround 
should be handled in the specific distribution as it lead to fails in 
Fedora. (or maybe i haven't used --enable-opengl whereas the configure 
line suggest that it should be autodetected).


Others dynamic patches:
- The bundled cinelerra.spec suggest that :
ln -s ../../bin/mpeg2enc %{buildroot}%{_libdir}/cinelerra/mpeg2enc.plugin
But cinelerra complains not to be able to load a binary on loading. I 
wonder what the purpose of this tweak ?


- sed -i -e 's|linux/time.h|time.h|' configure.in configure
The configure script test if v4l2 can be built with linux/time.h (and 
fails) but this header isn't specified in the source codec elsewhere. 
Instead time.h is found and the test will succeed if this file is used.


-sed -i -e 's|libavcodec/avcodec.h|ffmpeg/avcodec.h|' configure.in configure
Ffmpeg mess are a subject by itself. If you want to check for headers, 
start with pathes specifics headers then check for avcodec.h, this 
will save the false positive detection in case of multiple installation 
of ffmpeg. (not so uncommon - we know why ).
My pov is that ffmpeg shoudn't even be bundled in the source. And if 
ever built internally, it should follow the libmpeg3 example to be built 
shared with something like :

ffmpeg_la_LDFLAGS = -version-info 1:0:0 -release 2.1.0

I hope some of theses can be picked or at least discussed.

Nicolas (kwizart)
diff -up cinelerra-2.1/cinelerra/Makefile.am.ffmpeg_external cinelerra-2.1/cinelerra/Makefile.am
--- cinelerra-2.1/cinelerra/Makefile.am.ffmpeg_external	2007-02-09 20:21:54.0 +0100
+++ cinelerra-2.1/cinelerra/Makefile.am	2007-11-12 19:03:43.0 +0100
@@ -687,6 +687,7 @@ cinelerra_LDADD = \
 	$(SOUND_LDFLAGS) \
 	$(FIREWIRE_LDFLAGS) \
 	$(LIBDV_LIBS) \
+	$(FFMPEG_LIBS) \
 	-luuid \
 	$(MJPEG_LIBS)
 
diff -up cinelerra-2.1/cinelerra/Makefile.in.ffmpeg_external cinelerra-2.1/cinelerra/Makefile.in
--- cinelerra-2.1/cinelerra/Makefile.in.ffmpeg_external	2007-11-11 02:44:18.0 +0100
+++ cinelerra-2.1/cinelerra/Makefile.in	2007-11-12 19:03:43.0 +0100
@@ -248,7 +248,7 @@ cinelerra_DEPENDENCIES = data/libimageda
 	$(top_builddir)/libmpeg3/libmpeg3hv.la $(am__DEPENDENCIES_1) \
 	$(am__DEPENDENCIES_1) $(am__DEPENDENCIES_1) \
 	$(am__DEPENDENCIES_1) $(am__DEPENDENCIES_1) \
-	$(am__DEPENDENCIES_1)
+	$(am__DEPENDENCIES_1) $(am__DEPENDENCIES_1)
 DEFAULT_INCLUDES = -I. -I$(top_builddir)@am__isrc@
 depcomp = $(SHELL) $(top_srcdir)/depcomp
 am__depfiles_maybe = depfiles
@@ -1118,6 +1118,7 @@ cinelerra_LDADD = \
 	$(SOUND_LDFLAGS) \
 	$(FIREWIRE_LDFLAGS) \
 	$(LIBDV_LIBS) \
+	$(FFMPEG_LIBS) \
 	-luuid \
 	$(MJPEG_LIBS)
 
diff -up cinelerra-2.1/configure.ffmpeg_external cinelerra-2.1/configure
--- cinelerra-2.1/configure.ffmpeg_external	2007-11-11 02:44:31.0 +0100
+++ cinelerra-2.1/configure	2007-11-12 19:03:43.0 +0100
@@ -27847,7 +27847,7 @@ OBJCOPYARCH=$ocarch
 ## END of .png TO .o CONVERSION
 
 
-ac_config_files=$ac_config_files Makefile cinelerra-cvs-current.spec po/Makefile.in m4/Makefile libmpeg3/Makefile libmpeg3/video/Makefile libmpeg3/audio/Makefile quicktime/Makefile quicktime/encore50/Makefile quicktime/ffmpeg/Makefile quicktime/ffmpeg/libavcodec/Makefile quicktime/ffmpeg/libavcodec/i386/Makefile quicktime/ffmpeg/libavcodec/ppc/Makefile mpeg2enc/Makefile toolame-02l/Makefile guicast/Makefile cinelerra/Makefile cinelerra/data/Makefile mplexlo/Makefile plugins/colors

[CinCVS] gcc 4.3.0 error: multiple parameters named 'fade'

2008-01-08 Thread Nicolas Chauvet

Hi!

I'm testing gcc 4.3.0 targeted for Fedora 9.
while compiling cinelerra (svn 20080105), I have an error
(might have others)

playback3d.h: At global scope:
playback3d.h:228: error: multiple parameters named 'fade'

This doesn't matter to fix this error soon. as gcc 4.3.0 isn't already
out. But might be interesting to keep in mind. Of course If a patch is
available, I could test if there is other problem...

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Re: [CinCVS] Re: status of GPL headers - finished

2007-04-11 Thread Nicolas Maufrais

Hello,

Well done, flavio and nighto !
Thumbs up! ;-)

Nicolas Maufrais.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 03:19:16PM -0300, flavio wrote:
 As the full message waits for moderator approval, I'll shorten it just so
 that information arrives.
 
 2007/4/10, flavio [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
 There, there, sorry for the immense delay - I had to check most of the
 files by myself after all and in a moment in which work was violent around
 here:
 
 
 http://cvs.cinelerra.org/docs/wiki/doku.php?do=showid=cinelerrafileslicensestatushttp://cvs.cinelerra.org/docs/wiki/doku.php?id=cinelerrafileslicensest
 (copy and paste the link)
  http://cvs.cinelerra.org/docs/wiki/doku.php?id=cinelerrafileslicensest
 File checking has reached its end. Notes are below.
 
 Thanks for nighto, who did part of the job. We would appreciate having a
 feedback if our work was useful and if cinelerra is in fact going to be at
 Ubuntu Studio's release.
 
 A personal note on the copyright of fonts: I myself did a google search
 for free fonts and there are some sites that have freeware fonts. I did a
 recursive wget on the first site that popped up and got myself about 1.800.
 Some have more restrictive licenses, but mostly are free at least for
 distribution and/or non-commercial uses. My suggestion then is to choose
 some 10 to 30 likeable fonts and check their licenses (so you won't have 
 the
 trouble of checking them all) and distribute cinelerra with them.
 
 I personally have skipped chacking the .png files for I thought it seemed
 senseless.
 
 
 Also, see full results at the link above.
 rock on,
 flavio

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Re: [CinCVS] rotate video effect

2007-04-06 Thread Nicolas Maufrais

On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 11:29:21AM -0400, Scott C. Frase wrote:
 Nicolas,
 Here is a cleaned up version of the rotating transparent png I showed
 you:
 http://content.serveftp.net/video/rotate.m2v
 2.7MB

Scott,

It really looks nice!!! =)

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Re: [CinCVS] rotate video effect

2007-04-04 Thread Nicolas Maufrais

On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 03:59:02PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ayyy!  Take it easy on me Andraz!  
 
 Sorry, I thought keyframes only applied to the projector/camera automation.
 :)
 scott

Hello Scott,

Well, that's great, because now you are able to do nicer things with
Cinelerra! =)

Don't forget to show us the final result with the compass. ;-)

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Re: [CinCVS] rotate video effect

2007-04-04 Thread Nicolas Maufrais

Scott,

You have to edit the keyframes of the SAME rotate effect. For example,
after having selected the auto keyframe mode :
- set a rotate angle of 0 degree at the beginning of the rotate effect
- go at the end of the same rotate effect, and set a rotation angle of
  180 degrees.

I haven't checked that by myself, but that should work if the rotation
effect supports keyframes.

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Re: [CinCVS] rotate video effect

2007-04-04 Thread Nicolas Maufrais

On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 09:16:42PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Nicolas,
 Sweet!  That worked!  Thanks a lot!  I will forward you my final version, 
 once it is cleaned up.
 scott

Great! =)

I already saw some of your videos, and they were quite nice; I thought
you used keyframes inside effects. I can't imagine how nicer they will
be now that you use that great feature! =)

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Re: [CinCVS] cinelerra gpl license header for review, sketch how to solve the license issues

2007-03-18 Thread Nicolas Maufrais

On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 04:43:13PM -0700, Heroine Virtual Ltd. wrote:
 Could you use Adam Williams instead of Jack Crossfire for
 license notices?  He is unemployed again and doesn't have the
 conflict that he did before.

I'll change it in the manual on tomorrow.

Thank you very much.

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Re: [CinCVS] cinelerra gpl license header for review, sketch how to solve the license issues

2007-03-09 Thread Nicolas Maufrais

Hello Christian,

On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 12:44:56AM +0100, Christian Thaeter wrote:
 This file is actually mostly rewritten by me so the 'et al.' is only a
 safety measure, but for other files I don't want to figure who else
 touched them manually.

Is the 'et al' legal? Couldn't it be, how could I say, dangerous? I
mean, it's safer to get an exhaustive name of the people who
worked on the file. That's the way it should be done IMO. However, I
understand you're not sure about who wrote that file apart you...

Anyway, here's a page about that subject which could interest you:
http://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/maintain.html#Legal-Matters

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Re: [CinCVS] gpl headers

2007-02-08 Thread Nicolas Maufrais

Hello,

Any news about that subject, guys?

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Re: [CinCVS] [OT?] Quicktime for Linux / Realproducer question

2007-02-04 Thread Nicolas Maufrais

Richard,

Did you already managed to get real producer working for any input
format? I tried it some time ago, and it never worked...

Can't RP use mpeg2 as input? Cinelerra can output perfectly-compliant
mpeg2 files.

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Re: [CinCVS] constant hangs on HDV project

2007-02-04 Thread Nicolas Maufrais

Hello,

On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 06:28:31PM +1100, jostle wrote:
 Your 'top' output reveals a pretty significant problem. You are running 
 with no swap space!
 
  Swap:0k total,0k used,0k free,  1298492k cached
 
 I suggest that you re-configure your machine to have around 4GB of swap 
 and see if that helps.

Heroine Virtual Ltd recommends disabling swap when a lot of memory is
installed.

 You also seem to be running everything as 'root' which is generally 
 deemed to be Not A Good Idea.

I also have to use Cinelerra as root. That's because it is far more
stable when doing this. I know it's bad, I filed a bug report some time
ago about this. I know some other users also run Cinelerra from the root
account. :-/

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Re: [CinCVS] Witch distro

2007-02-01 Thread Nicolas Maufrais

Does anyone actually used Debian for a while and then decided to move to
Ubuntu? Some of you recommend Ubuntu because of some advantages which is
fact directly come from Debian (Ubuntu is a derivative of Debian).

Without Debian, Ubuntu wouldn't have existed at all. What I don't like
in Ubuntu is the fact that it's actually a company.  While Debian
isn't...

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Re: [CinCVS] Witch distro

2007-02-01 Thread Nicolas Maufrais

On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 11:22:09AM +0100, muzzol wrote:
 in Ubuntu is the fact that it's actually a company.  While Debian
 isn't...
 
 
 false. ubuntu is free. canonical is a company. if canonical goes down
 ubuntu remains free. if canonical decides to release a commercial
 version of ubuntu they cannot call it ubuntu because ubuntu is still
 free. even if canonical decides some day going the evil way you can
 take last ubuntu version and fork it because the code is (don't you
 guess?) free.
 
 this is a bad FUD and makes lot of confusion to users.

No. That's not FUD. Linux was born without business (making money) in
mind. And Debian and some other distributions agree with this principle.
That's what makes Linux great. Without those principles, Linux wouldn't
be what it is now. Ubuntu advantage over Debian is that it's easier to
install and configure. Debian asks you to RTFM. But if principles are
important for you, and you are able to read a manual, Debian is the
distribution to choose.

 you can blame lot of things about canonical/debian relationships, but
 saying a lie lot of times doesn't make it true...
 
 wait, was exactly what bush did!!!

Do you compare me with Bush? Talking about a computer distribution is
something. Doing personnal attacks on someone you don't know is
something totally different. Before talking about FUD, you should think
twice before posting things like this on a mailing-list.

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Re: [CinCVS] gpl headers

2007-02-01 Thread Nicolas Maufrais

On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 03:45:24PM -0500, Wesley T Allen wrote:
 On Thursday 01 February 2007 1:46 pm, Cory K. wrote:
  Well yes. Thats what we have to do. Go through every file to check for a
  license header. If theres none or a GLP header we're good. If there does
  happen to be one thats licensed otherwise we have to note that
  difference in the debian/copyright file.
 
 Is a manual scan necessary, or do license headers have some kind of typical 
 syntax -  if there's a typical syntax would using grep to scan for license 
 be a good place to start?

Hello,

I don't thing greping for the word licence is a good idea. That's not
because there's no licence header of any kind that you can make any
assumption about its licence. Some applications or librairies doesn't
have such headers in their sources. Mmmm... that sounds like Cinelerra,
doesn't it? Moreover, some files could contain code from different
applications.

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Re: [CinCVS] Obsolete Fedora packages on the 'Packages' page

2007-01-31 Thread Nicolas Maufrais

On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 05:39:24PM +0200, Mikko Huhtala wrote:
 
 The packages page
 
http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php
 
 links to Fedora packages, but those are of version 1.2.3 and its
 dependencies.
 
 The Freshrpms repository currently has Cinelerra 2.1-0.12.20070108 for
 Fedora 6. The Fedora 5 package is also of the 2.1 series, if not the
 same as that for Fedora 6. Maybe the web page should be updated?

Hello Mikko,

Thanks for editing the wiki. I removed the section Red Hat Enterprise
Linux / CentOS.  I'll put it back if anyone wants to put some contents
in it.

Changes made:
- wiki updated with the latest manual edition,
- new edition available on the website,
- Get Cinelerra page updated.

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Re: [CinCVS] Obsolete Fedora packages on the 'Packages' page

2007-01-30 Thread Nicolas Maufrais

On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 05:39:24PM +0200, Mikko Huhtala wrote:
 
 The packages page
 
http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php
 
 links to Fedora packages, but those are of version 1.2.3 and its
 dependencies.
 
 The Freshrpms repository currently has Cinelerra 2.1-0.12.20070108 for
 Fedora 6. The Fedora 5 package is also of the 2.1 series, if not the
 same as that for Fedora 6. Maybe the web page should be updated?
 
Hello,

Please edit the wiki section about installing Cinelerra on Redhat:
http://cvs.cinelerra.org/docs/wiki/doku.php?id=english_manual:cinelerra_cv_en_2#redhat

I'll then update the getting_cinelerra.php page with that contents.

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Re: [CinCVS] web [was edgy 32 package problem]

2007-01-29 Thread Nicolas Maufrais

Hello,

I corrected those mistakes.

Vale, I suggest you add an .htaccess file in your web folder, to do not
allow its contents to be displayed as it is now (unless you deliberately
choose to show it).

Ciao.
Nicolas Maufrais.

On Mon, Jan 29, 2007 at 10:28:53PM +0100, Valentina Messeri wrote:
 
 Ciao!
 It looks to me a misspelling (heubuntu) that would be worth a
 correction on http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php too.
 
 I think muzzol's package should be there too.
 
 YES, to begin first,
 
 then, please, have a look at  
 http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php:
 
  For athlon64 processors
 
 http://giss.tv/~vale/
 
 THIS IS MY FTP, PUBLIC, ok, but i use it as a wharehouse.i don't  
 think it should stay here.privacy?
 Yes, please!
 
 i can't edit cinelerra.org, please, somebody who has the power?
 
 
 thanks
 
 
 Vale
 
 
 
 
 deb http://giss.tv/~vale/debian64 ./
 deb-src http://giss.tv/~vale/debian64 ./
 
 Ubuntu packages
 
 #ubuntu edgy
 deb http://giss.tv/~vale/heubuntu32 ./
 deb-src http://giss.tv/~vale/ubuntu32 ./
 
 #ubuntu edgy amd64
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Re: [CinCVS] Cinelerra flash and video training demos?

2007-01-28 Thread Nicolas Maufrais

On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 10:37:16AM +0100, Terje J. Hanssen wrote:
 Recognizing that flash demos and video training have become usual and
 useful not at least for work with video editing systems, I wonder:
 
 Are there already available or planned something like this for Cinelerra?
 Are the required tools and documented use to make them available?
 
 Wouldn't it be cool if flash demos could be linked into the wiki and
 manual?  Larger video files could be downloaded and possibly collected
 on a training or live DVD.
 
 Just some thoughts.

Terje,

The Source already made some nice video tutorials about Cinelerra. They
agreed to donate them to the Cinelerra-CV community. I already started
adding the subtitles a week ago. 50% of the first tutorial is done, and
then I discovered a nasty bug in the subtitle editor I used. The bug was
quickly fixed by the developer, and now I continue to add the subtitles.
I then hope those subtitles will be translated, since not all the
Cinelerra-CV users speak English...

Anyway, a link to the (original/without subtitles) tutorials are already
in the manual:
http://cvs.cinelerra.org/docs/split_manual_en/cinelerra_cv_manual_en_1.html#SEC6
or
http://cvs.cinelerra.org/docs/wiki/doku.php?id=english_manual:cinelerra_cv_en_1#tutorials

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Re: [CinCVS] HDV books

2007-01-28 Thread Nicolas Maufrais

Terje,

On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 09:53:50AM +0100, Terje J. Hanssen wrote:
 I'm interested to hear if somebody has read any of these books?
 Other suggestions?

I'm not quite sure those books will be really useful for helping you to
edit HDV with Cinelerra. The latest addition in the Wiki about HDV, made
by Marcin Kostur is probably more useful for that. However, they could
help you to understand the principles of HDV, for sure.

 Is there any known book project in work for Cinelerra?

I don't think so. However, some time ago a book was published about
Broadcast 2000, which is the ancestor of Cinelerra:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Broadcast-2000-C-Fulton/dp/1886411700
I think it's so out of date now that it's almost useless...

I'll put in the manual what Marcin added in the Wiki in the following
days. Any additional information about editing HDV in Cinelerra is
welcome.

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Re: [CinCVS] Re: Bug when loading a DV file

2007-01-21 Thread Nicolas Maufrais

On Sun, Jan 21, 2007 at 09:28:52PM +0100, Johannes Sixt wrote:
 On Saturday 20 January 2007 23:23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  No. I tried an old DV file which I hadn't load in Cinelerra for a long
  time. Therefore, there wasn't any idx file for that DV file. By loading
  such a file, I observed the following: - I start Cinelerra
  - I load the DV file with Replace current project
  - the .idx file is being created (I see the progress file, and there's some
  intensive I/O) - the indexing is finished
  - crash!
 
 Does it also crash once the index is available (load the file with the 
 non-crashing version)?
 
 Try to comment out the two lines that reference 'temp_frame' in qth264.c - 
 does that also crash?

Hannes,

I reply on this mailing-list because of your mail filtering rules. ;-)

I commented out the 2 lines of qth264.c and recompiled r983 with the
debugging symbols. I load the .DV file and then Cinelerra didn't crash.
In fact, it freezed. The mouse cursor looks as a clock, and nothing
happens. I had to Ctrl-C Cinelerra in gdb. Here's the output:
http://www.europephoto.com/temp/gdb_output_r983.txt

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Re: [CinCVS] audio levels

Hello,

What about simply reducing the audio level in Cinelerra using the fader?
http://cvs.cinelerra.org/docs/split_manual_en/cinelerra_cv_manual_en_6.html#SEC98
There're several ways to reduce the audio level in Cinelerra. Using the
fader is the easiest one.

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On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 07:48:57AM -0500, Eric Mesa wrote:
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 file vimeo_bignews.AVI
 vimeo_bignews.AVI: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 640 x 480, 30.00
 fps, video: Motion JPEG, audio: uncompressed PCM (mono, 16000 Hz)
 
 
 It plays perfectly fine in mplayer.  Xine plays the audio fine, but
 not the video.  When  I load the video into Cinelerra to edit it into
 a project, the audio is extremely loud.  The levels are all the way in
 the white (past red).  Pretty much all I heard is static very, very
 loud with my voice muffled.  (In other words, the audio is blown)
 It's as if someone REALLY turned up the gain on this video.  Again,
 the audio plays normally in mplayer and even Xine.
 
 For Cinelerra I am using the latest rpm packaged by freshrpms on my
 FC6 system.   The rpm is cinelerra-2.1-0.12.20070108.fc6
 So this is the 8 jan 2007 version.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Re: [CinCVS] ideal machine = ?

Hello,

On Sat, Jan 20, 2007 at 10:06:47PM +0100, peter wrote:
I am preparing a workshop open source video +
for this I want to built a machine optimised for best performance of
cinelerra.
+ am looking for what parts to buy.
Being a hardware nono myself, could you give me some advise?

Who has experience with the configuration on the heroine website?

Double Dual Core Opteron
4 Gig RAM
500 GB SATA drive
Tyan motherboard
Gigabit ethernet

Does anybody use this, what are your experiences

I don't use such a beast (@home, to run Cinelerra ;-)). Mine is a
dual-core AMD64 4600+X2 with 3Gb RAM, and it's perfect for editing DV
material. Some people here probably use far more powerful computers, but
anyway, we can't really tell you our opinion, since all depends of what
you'll do with Cinelerra. Will you edit HDV or DV?

- any alternatives for the motherboard?
- I work wit an ATI Radeon 9200 graphics card, it works but has caused
problems in the past, which card do you prefer?

Definitely an Nvidia one. An NVidia 7600GS works fine, as stated here:
http://cvs.cinelerra.org/docs/wiki/doku.php?id=english_manual:cinelerra_cv_en_2#hardware_requirements

What 64 bit distribution would you recommend?

I'm not quite sure the distribution would make a big difference
anyway...

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Re: [CinCVS] OpenSUSE packages

On Wed, Jan 17, 2007 at 05:15:52PM -0500, Kevin Brosius wrote:
   I noticed that packman has posted a 10.2 cinelerra package yesterday,
 and still has the 10.1 package available.  If anyone tries these out,
 I'd be interested in hearing success or failure reports about how well
 they work.  With openSUSE 10.2, you can install all dependencies for
 cinelerra from packman and the SUSE distribution media using YAST.  This
 is a big step forward in getting a cinelerra system running.
 
   On the down side, I haven't seen any questions and/or feedback about
 these packages.  So I cannot personally speak to how much is working or
 not working in those builds.  I'm starting to test a local build on
 x86_64 using all the same dependencies, so I'll post further info as I
 get results.

Hello,

For your information, Terje added some new information about installing
Cinelerra on Suse in the wiki:
http://cvs.cinelerra.org/docs/wiki/doku.php?id=english_manual:cinelerra_cv_en_2#suse
That will go in the next manual edition.

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Re: [CinCVS] Preparing for Cinelerra on openSUSE 10.2

On Sat, Jan 20, 2007 at 10:30:41PM +0100, Terje J. Hanssen wrote:
 Then I have added a section for installation on openSUSE 10.1-10.2 in
 the wiki ;)
 http://cvs.cinelerra.org/docs/wiki/doku.php?id=english_manual:cinelerra_cv_en_2#suse

Thanks Terje,

I'll put that in the next manual edition. With all these screenshots,
the section about installing Cinelerra on Suse is now one of the most
detailed in the Installation chapter. =)

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Re: [CinCVS] OpenSUSE packages

Hello,

On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 10:06:22PM -0800, Jason Turning wrote:
 ...
 Any codec and setting recommendations would be appreciated. And easy
 ways to create a DVD from your video too.

http://cvs.cinelerra.org/docs/wiki/doku.php?id=english_manual:cinelerra_cv_en_19#making_a_dvd

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Re: [CinCVS] DV and HDV 1080i Import/Export tools

On Fri, Jan 19, 2007 at 03:18:29PM -0500, Dan Streetman wrote:
 If you want to try the experimental HDV patch for dvgrab it's here:
 http://kdenlive.sourceforge.net/hdv.php
 
 you should thouroughly check any files you create with test-mpeg2, as
 it (last I checked) does not use any buffering at all so whenever i
 used it, it silently dropped frames.  Didn't realize it until well
 into the editing process when I found random dropouts in the
 video/audio.

Hello,

Did you try using a buffer, as recommended in that page?
I had some dropouts while grabbing DV under heavy CPU load. I then used
the buffer option, and I never got those dropouts again.
Perhaps does that work with HDV?

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Re: [CinCVS] Glossary (Explanations to many messages required)

Hello,

On Fri, Jan 19, 2007 at 06:36:24PM -0200, rafael2k wrote:
 Em Quinta 18 Janeiro 2007 13:40, Raffaella Traniello escreveu:
  On Wed, 2006-12-06 at 22:53 -0200, rafael2k wrote:
   Em Quarta 06 Dezembro 2006 10:11, Herman Robak escreveu:
 Evidently, a Cinelerra glossary is needed, to explain what each word
means in the context of Cinelerra.  Would the wiki be a good place?
Or would Rafael mind maintaining it on cvs.cinelerra.org?
  
   I can do that on  cvs.cinelerra.org, but I think that wiki is nice way
   for multiple people edit the content.
   lets do on the wiki?
   only for 'strange' strings?
  
   bye,
   rafael diniz
 
  Where is it?
  (I need it!) :-)
 
 it's not yet there ;)
 i'm in vacation so i did nothing, but if anyone wants to start the glossary, 
 i 
 can help organizing the content in the wiki ;)

A glossary would be really useful both for users and translators.

Here you go:
http://cvs.cinelerra.org/docs/wiki/doku.php?id=english_manual:cinelerra_cv_en_24

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Re: [CinCVS] DV and HDV 1080i Import/Export tools

On Fri, Jan 19, 2007 at 04:14:59PM -0500, Dan Streetman wrote:
 On 1/19/07, Nicolas Maufrais [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Fri, Jan 19, 2007 at 03:18:29PM -0500, Dan Streetman wrote:
  If you want to try the experimental HDV patch for dvgrab it's here:
  http://kdenlive.sourceforge.net/hdv.php
 
  you should thouroughly check any files you create with test-mpeg2, as
  it (last I checked) does not use any buffering at all so whenever i
  used it, it silently dropped frames.  Didn't realize it until well
  into the editing process when I found random dropouts in the
  video/audio.
 
 Hello,
 
 Did you try using a buffer, as recommended in that page?
 I had some dropouts while grabbing DV under heavy CPU load. I then used
 the buffer option, and I never got those dropouts again.
 Perhaps does that work with HDV?
 
 Not sure what you mean...I don't think test-mpeg2 has any buffering
 options.  Are you talking about where I suggest using the --buffer
 option to the HDV-modified dvgrab program?

Yes, that's it. Using --buffer as an option for the HDV-modified dvgrab
program.

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Re: [CinCVS] exporting to mpeg2

2007-01-18 Thread Nicolas Maufrais

On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 01:35:44PM +1300, Edouard Chalaron wrote:
 Hi there
 Now that the rendering is set up fine I am exporting uncompressed 422
 2vuy movie frames into mpeg2enc directly (using Y4MPEG option)
 
 However instead of having a movie.m2v I end up with some movie.m2v001,
 movie.m2v002 etc 
 They are recognised as data using the file command and cant be
 multiplexed by mplex.
 
 Any idea ?

Hello,

See:
http://cvs.cinelerra.org/docs/split_manual_en/cinelerra_cv_manual_en_19.html#SEC258
and
http://cvs.cinelerra.org/docs/split_manual_en/cinelerra_cv_manual_en_19.html#SEC260

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Re: [CinCVS] Cinelerra tutorials

2007-01-15 Thread Nicolas Maufrais

Hi Scott,

There's already a link to the Quicktime compatibility chart in the
manual. But I added a link to your Beginner's guide in the docs
page of cvs.cinelerra.org and the manual too.
Feel free to add some information in the new wiki. ;-)

Thanks Scott!
Nicolas.

On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 03:25:30PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Nicolas,
 You probably have these listed already, but I will resend anyway:
 Beginner's Guide to Exporting Video from Cinelerra
http://content.serveftp.net/video/renderTest/guideToCinExport.html
 Quicktime Compatibility Chart (in HTML/Open Office formats)
http://content.serveftp.net/video/qtcompatibility.ods.html
http://content.serveftp.net/video/qtcompatibility.ods
 
 scott
 
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 From: Nicolas Maufrais [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Sat, Jan 13, 2007 at 02:31:46AM -0200, rafael2k wrote:
   all of then in portuguese:
   
   me (starting):
   https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Sysadmin/Cinelerra
   
   and leo:
   http://www.estudiolivre.org/tiki-index.php?page=Cinelerra
   
   bye,
   rafael diniz
  
  
  Thanks, Rafael!
  
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Re: [CinCVS] Cinelerra tutorials

2007-01-15 Thread Nicolas Maufrais



On Sat, Jan 13, 2007 at 02:31:46AM -0200, rafael2k wrote:
 all of then in portuguese:
 
 me (starting):
 https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Sysadmin/Cinelerra
 
 and leo:
 http://www.estudiolivre.org/tiki-index.php?page=Cinelerra
 
 bye,
 rafael diniz

Hello Rafael2k,

I added links to those 2 tutorials in the docs page of cvs.cinelerra.org
and the manual too.
What's the last name of Leo by the way?

Thanks!
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Re: [CinCVS] Cinelerra tutorials

2007-01-15 Thread Nicolas Maufrais

Hi Leo,

On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 06:18:01PM -0200, Leo germani wrote:
 Leo Germani

OK. I added your last name on cvs.cinelerra.org/docs.php and it'll be in
the next manual edition too.

 this tutorial is outdated... have to update it to the 2.x versions..
 its in my todo list.. hehe together with other tutorials on cinelerra...

It's better than nothing anyway. There's not a ton of information about
Cinelerra in Portuguese for the moment. BTW, do you know Rafael Diniz
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is translating the manual to Brazilian Portuguese?
Did he talk to you about that? Perhaps could you help him? ;-)

 by the way... I just got to know thesourceshow.org (I think they are here on
 the mailing list), they have some video tutorials... It seems to be very
 nice... and I think we could do more of this...

Oh yes... I already contacted Aaron Newcomb of The Source. In fact, he's
probably reading us, since he reads this mailing-list (Hello Aaron! ;-)
The Source's tutorials are good. Aaron agreed to give them to the
Cinelerra Community, ie. allowing us to use those tutorials. I plan to
add subtitles to those tutorials. I'll first write the English
subtitles, and then people will be able to translate the text. A
subtitle is just a text file you specify as an option when running xine
or mplayer. BTW, if anybody wants to help me on that subject, you're
*MORE THAN WELCOME*, since it's not quite easy for me to write the
original English subtitles. Moreover, I'm working on the manual images
right now.

Anyway, having more tutorials will, for sure, help beginners.

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[CinCVS] Thanks Pierre!

2007-01-14 Thread Nicolas Maufrais

On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 04:42:55PM +1030, Pierre Marc Dumuid wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 Just in case anyone poses any queries on the mailing list for me, I 
 thought I'd advise that I'm unsubscribing myself from the mailing list.
 
 I am suffering from sever procrastination in not wishing to finish my 
 PhD, so have thought it best to un-subscribe myself.
 If you need to contact me, please email me directly, (or cc' me).
 
 I know there are a few tasks that I were working on, in particular, 
 neatening and merging Hermann Vosseler beizer patch, but I feel that I 
 really need to close off all distractions and focus on my work.
 
 Hope all goes well, and will join you again at a later stage,
 
 Regards,
 Pierre Dumuid 

Thanks for all the good work, Pierre.
I hope you'll now be able to finish your PhD. Courage!

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Re: [CinCVS] Wikis?

2007-01-14 Thread Nicolas Maufrais

On Sat, Jan 13, 2007 at 01:26:57PM -0500, Kevin Brosius wrote:
 On 2007-01-13 11:56, Nicolas Maufrais wrote:
  Mmmm... You got it wrong here. Here's the situation:
  - the initial wiki contents was put in the manual. I spent tens of hours
to do this.
  - then, I worked on the manual, so much work was necessary
  - during that time, some people continued to edit the twiki
  - now, the new wiki is online, and the twiki contents which was added in
from Nov 8 2006 to today isn't in the manual. You can have a look at
the Twiki changes here:
http://ftconsult.taxnetusa.com/twiki/bin/view/Cinelerra/WebChanges
 
 No, I did not get it wrong.  Please review the content I mention before
 making such claims.  I understand if you left some content out of the
 new manual, but the content at the link I posted has been in the Twiki
 much longer than Nov 6, 2006.  That page has not been changed since Aug
 2006.

I looked at the Suse page on the Twiki. I did not put in in the manual,
because the way it is formulated is too wiki oriented. In the first
paragraph, someone explains it did not work for him. In the second
paragraph, it seems a too personnal experience, not too generic in my
opinion. As regards to the third paragraph, it's about Suse 9.0 and 9.2
which seem rather old. That information quality was not up to the
standard required to be put in a manual. Moreover, I didn't know enough
then (and will never know more) about Suse to be able to revise it
before puting it into the manual.

 I would like it made clear that some content is not in the new manual. 
 I'm somewhat offended that you are suggesting all the content is, and
 are asking people to add content which was already in the older wiki. 
 Several of us put a good amount of time into information in the older
 wiki.  Please remember those contributions also.
 I understand you did a lot of work on the new format, and you have a
 vested interest in supporting it.

I do remember those contributions. Around 5-10% of the wiki is not in
the manual. Now, you have to understand several things:
- the documentation was a total mess some months ago, and the
  information was squattered between several documents. Moreover, the
  Twiki wasn't updated with the latest version of Secrets of Cinelerra
- some contents in the twiki isn't appropriate for being put in a
  manual,
- I ask the help of translators to take the translations remaining in
  the wiki and translate the manual. Two people replied, for Italian and
  Brazilian.
- you're not paying for that manual. You have to understand that not
  everything is perfect. But *HELL*, I posted several messages on this
  mailing-list about the documentation. I asked people for their
  opinion, their ideas. I asked for help on the IRC to merge the twiki
  and the new version of Secrets into 1 manual, and in texinfo format.
  Did anyone helped me to do that dirty job? NO. I don't thing you know
  how much time that asked me. You should have a look at the Changelog
  to get a better view.

Now, rather than ranting, as I said, you're welcome to participate in
working on the manual. If you know of any information about how to
install Cinelerra on a recent version of Suse, you're welcome to do so.
If you see any information still in the TWiki which isn't in the manual,
please put it in the new wiki. I remind you that for the moment, nobody
edited the wiki apart from me. I made the wiki to allow everyone to
improve the manual, in an easy way. Instead of criticizing what have be
done, improve it; be more constructive.

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Re: [CinCVS] Fix for 327 - need testers

2007-01-14 Thread Nicolas Maufrais

On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 09:48:58PM +0100, Johannes Sixt wrote:
 Nicolas,
 
 thanks for trying.
 
 On Tuesday 09 January 2007 00:26, Nicolas Maufrais wrote:
  So, I did loaded the project with the latest revision, and older
  revisions (I have more than 30 revisions of cinelerra installed on my
  system for testing and bug reporting purpose).
  I tracked the bug, and it appears in r945. The project loads fine with
  r944 and previous releases, and crashes in r945! That's strange, because
  here's the SVN commit note:
  r945 | minmax | 2006-10-21 00:51:56 +0200 (Sat, 21 Oct 2006) | 2 lines
  Revert merge of editing modes
 
  Anyway, I really would like to test your patched revision with that
  project, because it'd really be a good test to validate the changes you
  made.
 
 You can easily attach the changes onto r944 in this way:
 
 # create a test branch
   $ git-branch fix-for-944
 # attach it onto r944
   $ git-rebase --onto cb60b61e8 dd3575b15e4 fix-for-944
 
 (Use 'gitk master fix-for-944' to verify that cb60b61e8... is r973 and 
 dd3575b15e4... is r944, and you can use other commit ids for --onto if you 
 want to.)

Sorry, but I don't know git enough to do that...
$ cg-clone git://git.pipapo.org/cinelerra/j6t
$ git-branch fix-for-944
fatal: Not a git repository

  Here's the gdb output when opening the project in r945:
  http://www.europephoto.com/temp/bug_when_loading_huge_project_in_r945.txt
 
 I know this crash and have looked into it in the past, but can't reproduce 
 it. 
 It must be some race condition or memory corruption in some other part of the 
 program. What codec is inside your AVI?

ID_DEMUXER=avi
ID_VIDEO_FORMAT=dvsd
ID_VIDEO_BITRATE=2880
ID_VIDEO_WIDTH=720
ID_VIDEO_HEIGHT=576
ID_VIDEO_FPS=25.000
ID_VIDEO_ASPECT=0.
ID_AUDIO_FORMAT=1
ID_AUDIO_BITRATE=1024000
ID_AUDIO_RATE=0
ID_AUDIO_NCH=0
ID_LENGTH=561.76

That seems to be a regression beginning from r945 up to the latest
revision... :-/

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Re: [CinCVS] Wikis?

On Sat, Jan 13, 2007 at 04:30:42PM +0100, Raffaella Traniello wrote:
 On Sat, 2007-01-13 at 12:56 +0100, Nicolas Maufrais wrote:
  I really want the users to do not edit anymore the Twiki. 
  Alex will add a note on the Twiki, and he'll probably de-activate editing 
  too.
 
 I'd like the Italiano TWiki to stay editable for translation.
 I'm translating the Manual to Italian, but that's a huge task,
 perhaps bigger than me. 
 I thought to put the translation in the Italiano TWiki too, topic after
 topic, so if I'm too slow or if I die of strains during the process, at
 least you are left with something.  

Raffaella,

That's definitely not the thing to do!!! :-/
The twiki structure is really different from the manual's one. The Twiki
structure wasn't appropriate to do a manual. So, I did took Secrets of
Cinelerra, added the Twiki contents in there, and then started adding
things. You're not translating the good thing! The good way to translate
the manual is explained in the TRANSLATIONS file in the doc directory of
the SVN release, or the git repository containing the latest manuals
versions.

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Re: [CinCVS] Cinelerra tutorials

On Sat, Jan 13, 2007 at 02:31:46AM -0200, rafael2k wrote:
 all of then in portuguese:
 
 me (starting):
 https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Sysadmin/Cinelerra
 
 and leo:
 http://www.estudiolivre.org/tiki-index.php?page=Cinelerra
 
 bye,
 rafael diniz


Thanks, Rafael!

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Re: [CinCVS] Preparing for Cinelerra on openSUSE 10.2

Hello Terje,

On Sat, Jan 13, 2007 at 04:52:15PM +0100, Terje J. Hanssen wrote:
 On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 Nicolas Maufrais wrote:
  That would be great if you could add some information about installing
  Cinelerra on Suse in the wiki:
 
 http://cvs.cinelerra.org/docs/wiki/doku.php?id=english_manual:cinelerra_cv_en_2#suse

 I'll have a look at what I possibly can do.
 But first, as I'm a newbie working with wikis, I need:
 
 1. Some guidelines how and where (url) to write (edit, preview) stuff
 into the wiki?

Register on the wiki. There's a login button in the right bottom
corner. Click on it, and then click on the Register link.

 2. Guidelines how to add or complement screenshots into the wiki?

When you edit a page, there's a button which allows one to upload an
image to the wiki, and use it in a page.

 In my opinion, it is important to complement the text with rich
 graphical images from screenshots and the gui both in the wiki and
 manual. Graphical images of gui tools, buttons and menus and as
 exmamples makes the difference of what looks easy and attractive to go
 on with, not at least for new users.

Yep. Don't hesitate to add more images. =)

 Linux distros with gui based installation and configuration tools
 (package managers), should preferably be shown using these, not only
 with general command lines like rpm. For openSUSE this is the YaST2
 toolbox. This gui layer is also wishible for users whose interest is
 sole editing with Cinelerra without being frightened by underlying Linux
 commands.

OK. If you want to add screenshots of YaST2, don't hesitate to do so.
=)
I don't know much about Suse, so I don't know YaST2 at all. In Debian,
there's Synaptic.

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