Re: [CinCV] Is it possible to get my own repo?

2010-03-04 Thread jilt
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p...@ichthyostega.de wrote:
> Einar Rünkaru schrieb:
>> Important change behaviour: composer and viewer always display the frame 
>> starting at the time shown on clock. Frame displayed does not depend on 
>> forward/backward direction. There was inconsistency when direction was 
>> accounted when not (mask).
>>
>> I intend to continue bug-hunting. Work done so far may be useful for
>> somebody.
> 
> Hellor Einar,
> 
> welcome in the club of cinelerra bug hunters ;-)
> 
> The issue described above is one of the most annoying "strange design
> decisions" in Cinelerra. Probably a lot of people (including myself) would
> welcome just to phase it out.

This is true and may solve a basical problem of cin's usability

> Some years ago I worked on a larger patch to remove the greatest obstacles
> and strangenesses on the bezier automation curve handlings. This patch is
> not accepted into Cin-CV until today. One of the reasons is that I too tried
> to partially rectify these and some similar problems with dragging nodes in 
> the
> trackcanvas (GUI).
> 

Would be great to merge your work (for 64 bit) with Einar's one; after
doing that cinelerra cv would get a big step forward in usability for
extended production

> 
> Meanwhile the situation might be different, inasmuch develompment on the
> community version of Cinelerra is mostly stalled, 

I don't think this is still true by now, as long as I've been teaching
for 2 years cinelerra cv (2.1), and I think that most people on this ml
still consider that version of cinelerra as the stable version.

> 
> And how to we all (Cinelerra community) judge the situation? Do we still
> intend to merge in what upstream provides, or would we be willing to stick
> to the Cin-2.1 codebase and in turn accept more disruptive changes?
> 

I consider the second option as the more usefull by now, in order to
keep the value of the community work; and I agree that the bezier patch
sould be merged with the whole 2.1 codebase as long as the Einar's
changes after a short testing on other supported architectures.

In order to test Einar's code I'd like him to put it into a pubblic repo.

My 2 cents
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Re: [CinCV] [Idea] GIMP effects and Audacity effects in Cinelerra/Lumiera

2010-01-13 Thread jilt
I remember once while lumiera was starting up we spoke a bit about the
blender's verse module:

http://verse.blender.org/

usefull to use gimp and blender

I remember some proposal about writing a module similar to verse, I enjoy
the idea because I think that verse's project is very usefull for a lot of
reason, including the Artenaut's idea.


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> Artenaut End of world schrieb:
>> As media author, I know GIMP and Audacity too and many times I would
>> like to
>> use some plugin from them in Cinelerra, and I ask me, why haven't it a
>> gimp
>> effect that run scrtip-fu scripts or audacity efect that run, I don't
>> know,
>> Nyquist scripts? Yes, I know, Cinelerra run audio LADSPA effects.
>
>> Possibly, It was not a good idea cause hard implementation, but if
>> Cinelerra
>> or Lumiera perhaps have it, don't need to implement its own plugins,
>> just use
>> GIMP or Audacity plugins.
>
> speaking for Lumiera, yes that's what we're about to do. We're *not*
> inventing yet another video/audio plugin system. (Internally, we're
> using our own generic plugin/extension module system, but that's
> another story). Rather, we'll write adapters to use existing
> plugin systems.

Did you take a look to the gstreamer's plugin system?
I like the way it's built,

http://gstreamer.org/

It could be clever to write an adapter for this plugin system.

I've been working on a plugin for gstreamer for a short time last year
(blurring faces) , and I think gstreamer is awfull :)

ciao
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Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra and Ubuntu 9.10

2009-11-29 Thread jilt

Francisco Naqoy wrote:

Hi Enrico!

Im on Karmic here, and everything is working fine!



Enrico just use the akirad repo to install cin on 9.10:

http://cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php#ubuntu

ciao
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[CinCV] video with xml and sources for cinelerra available

2009-11-11 Thread jilt
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Hi all,
I'm sending you this videos as a attempt to diffuse a way of publishing
xml sources of cin-made videos, to start applying the ideas that where
behind the cinelerra server project.

http://watch.deptford.tv/wiki/index.php/Cinelerra_Server

Here are the videos:

http://blip.tv/file/2764005
http://blip.tv/file/2653745

(links are to the video's english version, links to sources are on the
video info)

Both videos have been edited thanks to the netgarage project
(http://www.comune.modena.it/netgarage/video_laura.html) with cinelerra
and are under two different Creative Commons licenses, the same license
as the sources.

If you have any question on how to use this sources please contact me at
this mail address.
You'll find more info on how to use them also in the megaupload pages.

ciao
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Re: [CinCV] examples of Mac and PC laptop studios

2009-08-27 Thread jilt
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Norval Watson wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> I didn't write the article!
> I thought it was a good example of what might be considered "state of the 
> art" in terms of independent production.
> Perhaps it will lead to discussion of where Linux tools can substitute for 
> expensive proprietary software.
> Cheers
> Norv
> 
> 


I think that the fact of being expensive or not doesn't describe
properly the difference between working with proprietary or open source
software, you'll just have to spend money for different things, but
you'll need money in either situation; for example being able to manage
the source code is needed if you want to "work" and "produce" something
as peter wrote...



> 
> 
> - Original Message 
>> From: peter 
>>
>> hi norval,
>>
>>> Some of you might be interested in these examples of Mac and PC
>>> laptop studios - 
>> yes, that is an interesting idea,
>>
>> I was wondering about the title of your post:
>> 'owning the means of production';
>> don't you think it could be a bit deceptive that you list proprietary
>> softwares and operating systems as something that can be 'owned' .. ?
>> license fees don't convert unfree code into personal property, they just
>> allow you to use them.
>>
>> in that sense it would be nice to add a free software variant to your
>> list of laptop studios :
>> apart from being much more cost effective (which is definitely important
>> when you work with students) it would much more prove your point that 'a
>> painter needs to own their own brushes and so a filmmaker needs to own
>> their own computer'.
>> I would say that a painter needs to own their own brushes in order to be
>> able to adapt, personalise, change and improve them, and so a filmmaker
>> needs to own their own software tools.
>>

I like the metaphor of the painter, I've been deciding to use open
source software thanks to the teaching of a painting master at the
accademy of art; what we pointed with that master sounded very similar
to what peter has said :)


ciao
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Re: [CinCV] Project using Cinelerra

2009-08-05 Thread jilt
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malef...@malefico3d.org wrote:

> even when I see the motion in realtime (a moving cross between the
> speakers) I can't see where the keys are.
> 

Ciao malefico, here is a bezier patch that surely works on cin 2.1 CV
and that should let you see what you don't see by now in the timeline:

http://ichthyostega.de/cinelerra/bezier-patch/

Honestly don't know if it's what you where searching for but I think you
could find out that just by reading the documentation.

I'm so interested on blender's sequence editor, I don't like the way cin
behaves with still images (gimp's animation), and I'll have a try with
blender's sequence editor to compare the two software functionalities...

ciao
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[CinCV] osx intel diff missing

2009-06-26 Thread jilt
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Hi,
I cannot find the rafael's diff for intel mac os x cin's porting

just get an 404 error while trying to reach

http://juba.tvlivre.org/patch-leo.diff

can you tell me the right url to the patch?

thanks
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Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra Clustering howto...?

2009-05-10 Thread jilt
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U.G. wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> is there any howto which describes the clustering feature of cinelerra
> in any way?
> 
> I tried it on my own, by setting some nodes manually in the appropriate
> config settings but it shut down itself everytime or did nothing at
> all... I think there is much more configuring to be done, isn't it?
> 
> Thanks a lot!


I think this is the more trustfull how to you can find in internet

http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra/cinelerra.html#THE-RENDER-FARM

but I may be wrong...

to find other tutorials you only have to ask google

ciao
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Re: [CinCV] hackIT: somebody coming?

2009-05-08 Thread jilt
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Rafael Diniz wrote:
> oi vale,
> when will it occur?
> 

last week end of june

> 
>> iwas thinking aboutif somebody is interested, please contact me
>>

I'll be there surely, and I'm interested :)

>> I had some ideas...

if you want we can have a brainstorming here, there are some people
interested on cinelerra in the hackit community anyway, I think you can
make any proposal and it will be welcome

ciao
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Re: [CinCV] Anyone noted the openvideoconference?

2009-05-08 Thread jilt
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Christian Thaeter wrote:
> http://openvideoconference.org/
> 
> Just reading the website.
> 
> 
>   Christian
> 

I noted and i find strange that cin isn't mentioned in this page
http://openvideoconference.org/agenda/

at the point Open Source Software Project (and nor even lumiera)
maybe it's because there's no representation nor workshop on the
agenda.. is it?

I'm afraid this event is concerned about publishing on internet , open
content in general internet video archives and broadcasting, and not
particularly to open video editing software's issues; but maybe I'm wrong

There's just been a linux audio conference in Parma, Italy in which cin
and lumiera have been at least reported as software under development.

Does anyone think it's the case to send a short "state of the art" paper
 about the two projects (cinelerra and lumiera) to the conference's
contact mail address?

Anyone on this list is able also to get there?

ciao
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Re: [CinCV] donation of apple hardware for cinelerra darwin port

2009-04-22 Thread jilt
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Rafael Diniz wrote:

> 
> both, as in Linux.
> 

sorry, didn't understand
I'm able to test also on linux :)

ciao
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Re: [CinCV] donation of apple hardware for cinelerra darwin port

2009-04-20 Thread jilt
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p...@ichthyostega.de wrote:
> Rafael Diniz schrieb:
>> I'd ask if someone is still interested in a cinelerra darwin port.
> 

I'm ending some work projects in a few days, I've collected mails from
this list about osx porting on this page:

http://jilt.indivia.net/docu/doKu/doku.php?id=osx

I'll try this

http://kevb.net/lurker/thread/20080411.030936.e75c51aa.en.html#20080411.030936.e75c51aa

on darwin as soon as possible and send you a short report, sorry for
delay, if there are any other patches I have to compile please tell me
now :)

ciao
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[CinCV] anonymizing plugin

2008-09-19 Thread jilt
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Hi all,
is there a chance to add an anonymizer plugin for   
chronicle use (video journalist) on cinelerra based on this library?



http://sourceforge.net/projects/opencvlibrary/

>> http://opencvlibrary.sourceforge.net/FaceDetection
> 

or also using this port to frei0r?

> 
> http://propirate.net/repos/frei0r-autoconf/src/filter/facedetect/
> 

I think it could be possible in this way to use cinelerra for
professional purposes (online video pubblishing).

Probably it needs only a gtk interface to be managed, it should mask
automatically faces detected.

Someone would like to code it?

ciao
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[CinCV] [ Weaver Birds - 8 years of dyne.org]

2008-08-08 Thread jilt
I hope you'll find interesting this announce.

ciao
jilt

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The Weaver Birds

by the dyne.org hackers

8 / 8 / 8

printable version: http://dyne.org/first_dharma_dyne.pdf (291 KB)


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Re: [CinCV] few notes about gui brainstorming

2008-07-30 Thread jilt
On [EMAIL PROTECTED]:36, jilt wrote:
> On [EMAIL PROTECTED]:16, Ichthyostega wrote:
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> > > IL'dar AKHmetgaleev wrote:
> > >> I would like to have a way to control playback with game input device
> > >> such as joystic or joypad. Most game devices has analog axises which
> > >> will be very useful for changing playback speed or control some faders.
> > >>
> > Christian Thaeter schrieb:
> > > I am not GUI programmer, but after all i think these devices just
> > > generate input events (maybe even X events) which should be handled.
> > > Maybe we make a controller plugin interface for that, then this is
> > > easily extensible. Abusing all kinds of gadgets as cheap video
> > > controllers seems to be high on the list of wanted features. We will
> > > support that.
> >
> 
> I think that the "controller interface" on X events or input devices is
> needed, it could be very usefull to handle certain keyboard's issues I
> found in moving masks (I write from an apple keyboard not well supported
> on X) without having to learn and use xev and xmodamap to solve an
> X problem.
>
> I'm trying today to solve the problem changing the source code of cin,
> if lumiera will have that controller interface you speak about I hope it
> will be able to change and control every keyboard shortcut.
>

As I told before this is the place in which you can find the "alt_down"
method during the translate_mask operation on cin's source code

cwindowgui.C  on cinekerra folder (this is the place in wich the
method is called many times)


bcwindowbase.C on giucast folder (here you can find the definition of the 
method)

Guess that the guicast folder is the place in wich the controller
interface should change settings to make users able to change keyboard
shortcut but I don't know cinelerra code so just
hope this work will help somebody on building the controller interface.
 
ciao
jilt


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Re: [CinCV] few notes about gui brainstorming

2008-07-29 Thread jilt
On [EMAIL PROTECTED]:16, Ichthyostega wrote:
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> > IL'dar AKHmetgaleev wrote:
> >> I would like to have a way to control playback with game input device
> >> such as joystic or joypad. Most game devices has analog axises which
> >> will be very useful for changing playback speed or control some faders.
> >>
> Christian Thaeter schrieb:
> > I am not GUI programmer, but after all i think these devices just
> > generate input events (maybe even X events) which should be handled.
> > Maybe we make a controller plugin interface for that, then this is
> > easily extensible. Abusing all kinds of gadgets as cheap video
> > controllers seems to be high on the list of wanted features. We will
> > support that.
>

I think that the "controller interface" on X events or input devices is
needed, it could be very usefull to handle certain keyboard's issues I
found in moving masks (I write from an apple keyboard not well supported
on X) without having to learn and use xev and xmodamap to solve an
X problem.

I'm trying today to solve the problem changing the source code of cin,
if lumiera will have that controller interface you speak about I hope it
will be able to change and control every keyboard shortcut.

> Binding to MIDI is important, because most control surfaces support
> that, often besides a proprietary control. Probably we can learn from
> Ardour in this area. (Ardour can auto-learn the binding of an MIDI event
> to some GUI control)
> 

Nice idea, 
midi could be useful for live video also, cin has a live video
effect that I've never used, but in that case you can use only one video
track could be great to handle live video with midi.

ciao
jilt


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[CinCV] problems with keyboard sortcut for moving masks

2008-07-14 Thread jilt
Hi all
Got some problem on my ppc laptop

cannot use "alt" key to move masks on both operating sistem, linux and mac os x

I have to use control-alt-drag key as explained in the link below
(paragraph 8.2.2) for moving a whole mask on compositor window:

http://cvs.cinelerra.org/docs/split_manual_en/cinelerra_cv_manual_en_8.html

Is there anyone that knows in which part of cinelerra's code is written
this key or how to solve this problem in other ways than change the
source?

I actually use fluxbox on linux and X11 to run cinelerra on osx

I need to finish soon this compositing work so please tell me wich line I
have to change in the source to solve the problem.

ciao
jilt


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Re: [CinCV] Re: [Libopenvideo] [Announce] Lumiera Developers meeting

2008-07-03 Thread jilt
On [EMAIL PROTECTED]:17, Christian Thaeter wrote:
> The next Lumiera developer meeting is scheduled for
>>
>>  Thursday the 3. July 2008 at 16:30 UTC
>
> OOOPs now the confusion is complete, since we had 6th on the wiki (and i  
> forgot what we decided last time). I told a lot people about Sunday.
>
> There are some new people! I don't know if we reach them through mail in  
> time. Otherwise, some people are on vacation or otherwise excused  
> (simav, raffa(when will she back?), joel(2 weeks vactation)).
>
> Well .. "HowToFix" this? .. Today about the open topic and old leftover  
> things and on sunday we can introduce new people to the project.
>
>   Christian
>

I just added a new topic that I'd like to discuss with you during the
meeting, I know is late but I don't have the technical preparation to
discuss the topic clearly and I found some old posts on this list
talking about the same proposal (verse network collaboration module
compatobility), so I'd like to know what you all think about this.

I'll be here Sunday also if at this meeting will not be possible to talk
about verse :)

Some samples of verse functionality and links to documentation:

http://www.quelsolaar.com/verse/index.html
http://verse.blender.org
http://users.pandora.be/blendix/verse/

ciao
jilt


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Re: [CinCV] one more page about cinelerra on macos x plus bsd

2008-06-05 Thread jilt

rafael2k wrote:

I found one more page about cinelerra on osx:

http://jilt.indivia.net/docu/cinelerra_on_osx.html


I'm not having much time to play w/ cinelerra on osx and freebsd, but I'm sure 
that we are close to have cinelerra running ok on those platforms.




Thanks rafael for telling on this list. I've been kind of busy this days 
so couldn't tell by myself :)


I think that page could be bettere explained don't you think?
Is there anyone who could help me wrtiting a complete and user friendly 
"how to build cinelerra on osx" page?
I ask for that because some people who edit video and use mac os x does 
not know the mean of "building" a software, so It' would be a good work 
to help them understand.


Also I've been trying to build a .deb package for fink but I'm afraind 
changes to che code are too much unstable to make a .deb run on every 
darwin, unless I found somepeople who told me that my building 
instructions had made cinelerra run also on ppc ibooks.

Because of that any feedback on the code changing is welcome.

Reguarding bsd

I'd like to know the state of the arts, probably I could help in findin' 
someone to finish the work done since now.
I'm interested on building cinelerra on bsd because I'd like to build a 
python online scripting interface to run cinelerra on a remote render 
farm (with native computer farm software or samba) and make it available 
on the net to groups of users interested on using professional 
opensource editing software.
Imho it would be nice to study the online tool on the needing of thoose 
groups.


To make this idea become reality I'm studying a way to solve the 
security issues of a server on the net, so  	
primarily, I'm interested on running cinelerra on bsd system because of 
that.


Please tell me to repeat if you couldn't understand what I mean I'm so 
involved on this idea but maybe I cannot speak english as much good as 
my involvement is big :)


ciao
jilt

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