RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
I apologize to you Louie because I know you are busy. Thanks for the info. >From: "Louie Belt" >Reply-To: "Louie Belt" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735] >Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 14:25:59 -0400 > >I have had numerous requests and have been unable to help everyone or answer >everyone's questions. I do not have the time to help all that ask. I'll be >the first to admit that I have "ignored a number of email message due to >time constraints. But you will also find a number of people that I have >helped and some that I continue to help in a very focused manner. > >I'm not applying for saint-hood and don't intend to, but I don't have time >to answer every individual request. > >My responses would be the same that I have seen on this site a multitude of >times: > >As for books: > >TCP/IP Volume I and Volume II are a must. > >Caslow's 2nd edition is also a must have. > >Halibi is good for theory but lacks good examples with router configs. > >McGraw Hill's Bridging, DLSW+ and Desktop Protocols is a must as well (skip >the appletalk section) > >Stay away from the CCIE all in one LAB study guide - it is a waste of time. > > >CCBootcamp still offers the best labs for preparation, Mentor labs is OK for >small practice labs on specific issues. > >Use the documentation CD to find all answers - no matter how painful it is. >Practice timing and methodology. Intermix IOS versions in you lab. And of >course practice, practice, practice - time managment is critical. > > >Louie > > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of >Cisco Kidd >Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:57 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735] > > >I don't want to bash you Louie but I sent you an email a couple of months >ago and asked for some opinions on what books I should purchase for the >CCIE lab( I supplied a list of the ones I thought) and if the study >methods I was employing were adequate in preparation for the lab and >didn't get a response ( I didn't ask for specifics such as IOS verions on >the lab or topics covered in your lab) I know that you are probably busy >as a CCIE, but I just want you and everyone else to know that you are not >as helpful as you advertise yourself to be. > > > > >From: "Louie Belt" >Reply-To: "Louie Belt" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735] >Date: Sat, 2 Jun >2001 23:06:15 -0400 > >Yes you are wrong (about my perspective). I have >helped several engineers >study for and pass the CCIE written as well as >the lab. My concern is in >preserving the value of the cert. As for >dog-eat-dog I'll help anyone who is >sincere and wants to learn - >providing they are willing to put in the >effort. However, I will not >"give them the answers" so that they can make >the value of my cert less. > > >Prior to so much study material being available, you had to study and >know >how to handle a wide array of issues, the specifics as to what is >on the lab >were simply unknown and therefore you had to be prepared for >anything - and >know it well. Now that the study materials have become >available, it allows >a candidate to be more focused on lab specific >issues instead of on routing >and swicthing in general. As a result a >candidate can now pass the lab >without having a decent broad knowledge >of routing and switching, they just >need to know how to prepare for the >lab. That in my opinion has devalued >the certification. > >If we have >100,000 CCIEs all of which know there stuff and are a credit to >the >certification then I have no problem with it. It we have 8000 CCIEs and > >1000 of them can't live up to the expectations of the certification, >then it >hurts the value not only of the other 7000, but also of any >future >recipients of the certification. > >I am not bitter or angry >(thanks for jumping to conclusions) that the study >guides weren't >around, some were when I received my cert and I certainly >used them. I >don't want them to go away. I own many of the books written by >other >CCIEs and use them as a reference quite often. I am thankful they are > >available. The materials that exist have the potential to help all of >us. My >issue is simply one of "The CCIE certification should not be >devaulued" - >that is my chief concern and my reason for answering the >survey the way I >did. The only reason I posted my response to the su
RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
I don't want to bash you Louie but I sent you an email a couple of months ago and asked for some opinions on what books I should purchase for the CCIE lab( I supplied a list of the ones I thought) and if the study methods I was employing were adequate in preparation for the lab and didn't get a response ( I didn't ask for specifics such as IOS verions on the lab or topics covered in your lab) I know that you are probably busy as a CCIE, but I just want you and everyone else to know that you are not as helpful as you advertise yourself to be. >From: "Louie Belt" >Reply-To: "Louie Belt" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735] >Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 23:06:15 -0400 > >Yes you are wrong (about my perspective). I have helped several engineers >study for and pass the CCIE written as well as the lab. My concern is in >preserving the value of the cert. As for dog-eat-dog I'll help anyone who is >sincere and wants to learn - providing they are willing to put in the >effort. However, I will not "give them the answers" so that they can make >the value of my cert less. > >Prior to so much study material being available, you had to study and know >how to handle a wide array of issues, the specifics as to what is on the lab >were simply unknown and therefore you had to be prepared for anything - and >know it well. Now that the study materials have become available, it allows >a candidate to be more focused on lab specific issues instead of on routing >and swicthing in general. As a result a candidate can now pass the lab >without having a decent broad knowledge of routing and switching, they just >need to know how to prepare for the lab. That in my opinion has devalued >the certification. > >If we have 100,000 CCIEs all of which know there stuff and are a credit to >the certification then I have no problem with it. It we have 8000 CCIEs and >1000 of them can't live up to the expectations of the certification, then it >hurts the value not only of the other 7000, but also of any future >recipients of the certification. > >I am not bitter or angry (thanks for jumping to conclusions) that the study >guides weren't around, some were when I received my cert and I certainly >used them. I don't want them to go away. I own many of the books written by >other CCIEs and use them as a reference quite often. I am thankful they are >available. The materials that exist have the potential to help all of us. My >issue is simply one of "The CCIE certification should not be devaulued" - >that is my chief concern and my reason for answering the survey the way I >did. The only reason I posted my response to the survey was because I was >asked to do so. I apologize if my opinions differ from yours and you are >therefore offended. It was not my intention to offend you. You most >certainly are entitled to your opinion and I don't expect to change your >mind. > > >Hope this clears things up a bit, otherwise we'll have to just agree to >disagree. > >Louie > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of >Bradley J. Wilson >Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 9:13 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735] > > >Well, again, Sir Edmund, just because the newcomers can be better-informed >before their attempts doesn't mean that the challenge needs to be altered or >is less of a challenge for the individual. > >Again, I'm not against making certs tougher to achieve. But it sounds like >there's a touch of bitterness that these study guides weren't around way >back when...well, that's just the way life is. Making the CCIE "tougher" >and still calling it the "CCIE" is like asking runners to run a 400m race, >but then making them run 500m without telling them. ;-) Besides, the >argument about the study materials is subjective. Was CCO around when you >took the CCIE? Were other engineers around who were studying for it? Were >used routers around for you to purchase, and perhaps set up for others to >telnet into? I'm sure there were - if you (and/or others) didn't make use >of them, then that's water under the source-route bridge. > >If you want someone to be angry at, be angry at the people who took the >CCIE, passed or not, and then went out and wrote books on how to study for >the CCIE. But I personally don't think these people are doing a disservice >to the CCIE, nor are they devaluing it - and with a consistent 80% failure >rate, they're certainly not making it "less challenging." The study guides, >etc. make it more of a group effort, and there's nothing wrong with that - >not against the rules, not against the NDA, and our society wins because >we're able to learn from (and teach to) one another, thereby filling the >desperate need we have today for knowledgeable network engineers. Don't >punish those of us who have not yet earned our CCIE status for using the >resources which are available to us - or for having the foresight to cre
AGS+ DCE mode? [7:4655]
Hello, I am having a problem getting my serial ports to act in DCE mode. I have changed the jumpers to the appropriate places, but still have no luck. When I issue the "show controller mci" command it tells me that the interfaces are in DTE mode, except for one, which is recognized as unknown. I have 4 serial ports. Two are hooked up to one card, and two to another card. I have changed the jumpers correctly for serial ports 2 and 3( I used the diagram from cisco's website, labeled CSC-SCI, which looked exactly like the card for serial ports 2 and 3). Here is the link to the diagram, http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/core/cisagspl/agscfig/43412.htm#xtocid1591 I was unable to change the jumpers for serial 0 and 1 because I couldnt find the jumpers for that card...it kinda looked like CSC-MCI but the jumpers were not in the same place. I have tried to issue the "clockrate" command on all serial interfaces but it says I cannot because it is in DTE mode. I am stuck at this point. Does it have to do with the microcode on each controller? Do I need to upgrade this? Any help would be appreciated immensely Paul Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=4655&t=4655 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dreaming of CCIE [7:4356]
I know what song I will be singing once I pass the CCIE...remember the theme from that TV show "Greatest American Hero"beleive it or not Im walking on airkinda corny but it reminds me of a mentos commercial. :-P Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=4356&t=4356 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AGS+ 10BaseT transceiver [7:3864]
Anyone know where to get some ethernet transceivers for a reasonable price. Thanx ;-P _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=3864&t=3864 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cisco office in Los Angeles? Lab Use? [7:2176]
Is there a Cisco office in Los Angeles and do they have a lab open to the public? Thanks. ;-P _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=2176&t=2176 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
don johnson...ftp server password [7:1493]
Sorry Don but I accidentally deleted the ftp server address and passwordscould u send them to me again along with the directory where the files areThanks Don, I owe you one!!!;-) Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=1493&t=1493 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BCRAN...any questions on 700 series(Chapter 9) [7:930]
Are there any questions on the 700 series(Chapter 9 in the BCRAN book )? In the cisco online curriculum they have the 700 series as an appendix instead of a chapter...does this mean questions on this topic wont appear on the testthanks for the help :-) Paul _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=930&t=930 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Books for Sale !
Im interested in CIT book from cisco press. You can contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks >From: Rajesh Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Rajesh Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Books for Sale ! >Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 08:39:24 -0700 > >Hi all, > >The following books are available for sale : > > >1. BCRAN from cisco press >2. CIT book from cisco press >3. DCN book from cisco press > >The first two books are for CCNP preparation ver 2 and each costs $30.00 >and the third one is for CCDA preparation and cost $45.00. > >Anybody interested ? > >Thanks >Rajesh _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Report - unsuccesful
Sorry about that Chuck...I dont know you but after reading this I can feel your pain. You will get it next time... Thanks for the info. :-) >From: "Chuck Larrieu" >Reply-To: "Chuck Larrieu" >To: "Cisco Mail List" >Subject: CCIE Lab Report - unsuccesful >Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 18:34:20 -0700 > >Hey, everyone, how you all been? > >The short story is I did not make it to day 2. The rest of this is a bit >long winded, and easily skipped. > >First of all, I was quite pleased to find upon reading through my Day 1 >scenario that there was nothing I couldn't do, given time. There are plenty >of practice labs from several different sources which cover all the core >topics, so there were no surprises for me. > >Secondly, I was quite pleased when during my review of Day 1 results with >the proctor, he told me they were going to change the written instruction >on a particular section because of the solution I used. I'm actually quite >surprised it hasn't been done before. I was grudgingly given points, >although I was told my solution was definitely not what they had in mind. > >However, in the end, it was a few simple omissions that cost me the points >I would have needed to squeak into Day 2. > >Only one of the six of us who began together was invited to the second day. > >Things I learned: > >1) having the core topics down cold is CRUCIAL. No kidding! > >2) Time is crucial, but not, I believe, in the way I have seen it discussed >in many places. I highly doubt that typing 80 words a minute versus my 20 >WPM was the difference. Not when I spent as much time as I did >contemplating. You can't think it. You have to know it. > >By 2:00 p.m. I knew I didn't have a prayer of hitting all the requirements. >At that point I started counting points, putting myself in a defensive mode. >By quitting time, if I got full credit for everything I thought I deserved, >I would have had 31 points. As I found out in my review, I missed a few >simple things, and blew myself out of the water. This leads back to the >internalization of the core topics. You can't be thinking about how to >configure anything. You have to just bang them out, the same way you bang >out shaving or washing your hands or eating your lunch. > >3) Methodology is crucial. You have to have a good methodology that is >internalized and is habitual. You can't be thinking "what's next?" I don't >believe it matters what your methodology is, so long as you are consistent >and quick. My own methodology failed me because I was constantly adjusting, >rather than banging it out. > >4) I spent a good two hours last night in my hotel room debriefing myself. I >have six pages of notes regarding my day one experience. This will form the >basis of my study plan for my second attempt. I know that it is highly >unlikely I will have a scenario like the one I just worked on next time >through. But I will focus on methodology and speed. > >5) Good rapport with the proctor is helpful. I was able to get the >information I needed by carefully wording my questions and making sure that >my desired result was understood. The proctor is under a bit of stress >himself, with so many folks vying for his attention. He may think you are >asking something you are not. I made sure that if I was not getting an >answer that made sense that I clarified my request, so that the answer was >one that helped me understand. I will say also that the test I saw was >reasonably clear. The questions I had tended to be the result of outputs >from various show and debug commands, to clarify what the expectation was. > >A few other comments: > >I was far too aggressive in scheduling my lab date. Should have pushed it >out 60 days. Don't be in a hurry. Those without a lot of hands on need to >spend several months of several hours a day practicing. No two ways about >it. > >There has been a lot of discussion about the patch panels used in the lab. >All I can say is that the panels are clearly labeled. IMHO you have nothing >to worry about. That said, I did have to revisit the rack twice, in order to >make a cabling change. This was purely the result of a chicken or egg >situation, and not due to any difficulty with the rack itself. People with >home labs know well the issue with hooking up routers back to back. > >I sat next to a guy this morning ( a day 1 candidate ) who was getting up >every few minutes and going to the back of the rack to move cables around. >Completely unnecessary and driving the proctor nuts. There is no need for >any candidate to touch the back of the rack. > >You can't let little stuff stop you. Those with extensive hands on >experience know that sometimes routers do funny things like boot into >rommon> or behave as if there is an extensive paste going on in the >configuration dialogue. I have a router here at home that boots into rommon >once in a while. A reload has always done the trick ( knock on wood ) >sometimes leaning on control-C will stop a misbehaving configuration >dialogue. No
Good book for learning IPSec and VPN's??
I am looking for a good book which I could use to learn these technologies and possibly use as a reference later onI noticed Cisco Press has two books that look like they might cover these topics... Managing Cisco Network Security-December 2000Enhanced IP Services for Cisco Networks-October 1999 Any input on these books or any other books covering these topics would help me a lot. Thank you :-) Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
passed BCMSN
I passed today with a score of 857...I just wanted to say that I thought this test was harder than the BSCNmaybe I think backwards or something (I scored 931 on the BSCN)...thanks to all that have posted and study hard. Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recommended CCNP lab
I think you could pass the four CCNP tests without any hands on, although it would be difficult. I would try just buying the CCNP library and going from there. You could pass with just those books and no equipment. :) Hows that for bare minimum requirments ;) Take care. >From: Brad Shifflett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Brad Shifflett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Groupstudy (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: recommended CCNP lab >Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:29:00 -0800 > >If you could, what would you recommend for a lab setup, very basic, just to >learn all you need and see what is happening. What equipment would be bare >minimum requirements? At the most reasonable price. > >Brad Shifflett > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
