RE: CCIE Vs. BS or MS dergree [7:59481]
Hi All I think the CCIE is a narrow focus as compared to a degree. What a person does or would like to do with either will determine which is the better route for that individual. It is going to be up to the individual and what he/she is looking to do in the future. You can get your CCIE but if you can't do the job your not going to get the 100,000.00 year position. You can also get the BS or MS and work at Burger World. The one problem I see is people with a CCIE are Network specific and to change to another branch of IT you will most likely need to get another cert. I see someone with a BS or MS being much more mobile as far as crossing departments if you will. I for example have been working in IT for 17 years. I have gone through numerous departments over the years. I started as a programmer, then to support and Help Desk, then to Network Operations. Network Operations is where I want to be. I don't have a Bachelors degree and don't want one. I have no aspirations of being a CIO, etc. I want to be hands on andSecurityork Secutity consulting, that's what I enjoy doing. So for me the CCIE is the next step. I see more value for me in the CISSP and CCIE certifications because I have experience to back up my certs which gets me into positions I want. I can get the Job done. There are however doors which will not open to me because I don't have the degree. Some Companies just won't even look at you if you don't have the Degree. I'm ok with that, I just don't work for companies who want a Degree over ExperienceBeurocracieson't work well in their Beurocracies anyway. Just my 2 cents. Regards Sal DiStefano --- Ladrach, Daniel E. wrote: I think the key is to know what you are going to college for. I Have A degree from The Ohio State University, Max Fisher College of Business in MIS. I also, am enrolled at Franklin University MBA in MIS. Lastly,I admit to having my CCNP (working on CCDP). Of all the tests I have taken over the years the Cisco exams are by far the easiest. I think we need to be realistic when comparing Certs Vs. Education. It took me 4 months to get my CCNP it took me 6 Years to get my education. The CCIE would probably take me as long to prepare for as my MBA; however, I think the MBA will open up far more doors. Calculus, Physics, Finance, Accounting, Economics to name a few to receive a degree. Remember you don't just take one of each you take several. I agree with the course load listed in the e-mail below. -Original Message- From: J.D. Chaiken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 10:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Vs. BS or MS dergree [7:59481] If that were the real reading list for a BS degree, I would *LOVE* it. My problem is that they make you read all the fluffy stuff that you never wanted to read in the first place, and didnt go to college for, but they make you read anyway. And further, lets say you were an english major, do you really think that Calculus I would help you there? Jarett Charlie Wehner wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... What's more difficult? a) Memorizing configuration scenerios and commands on a Cisco router b) Understanding Calculus, Differential Equations, Numerical Analysis, Chemistry, Physics and Electrical Engineering well enough to create a meaningful experiment. One of my friends is working on his masters in Physics right now. What he's working on makes the CCIE look like a walk through the park. Seriously, what if the recommended reading list for the CCIE exam looked like this: Physics I and II Calculus I,II,III Differential Equations Mechanics Circuit Analysis I and II Linear Systems Thermodynamics Quantum Mechanics Optics Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=59801t=59481 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Salary Expectations/CCNP's!!!!!!!!! [7:25805]
I have no problem with what your saying here. I just have a problem with the sarcasm and derogatory was you do it, thats all!! --- Dennis wrote: What are you going to do when your company network is down and the CEO is breathing down your neck asking when is it going to be fixed? I guess you'll tell him we'll I asked a question in the newsgroup and nobody told me what to do yet. That's a quick way to be shown the door. I stand by my assertion that the best way to advance one's career in networking is to develop the ability to look up problems and solutions on ones own. When stumped on a problem, ask the group... not ask the group first. I say again if you want to teach people that the way to resolve a problem is to blindly ask other people for solutions without trying to research and resolve on ones own, that's up to you but you're not doing them a favor and you'll diminish their abilities and career potential by doing that. What do you think the CCIE lab exam tests? Do they give you newsgroup access? Do they let you phone a friend? No, they give you a network, a set of issues, and reference material to research when needed. The exam is designed to test ones ability to think through issues, research when needed, and identify possible solutions. The people that follow your advice will never have the skills to be high level networkers. But that's alright, they'll be the people under me who'll always be asking me what to do when confronted with a problem. And that's why I'll be getting the big bucks... cause I can think and research on my own... and not run to others right away... Give a man a fish and he eats for a day... teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime... -- -=Repy to group only... no personal=- Sal DiStefano wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I have been following this without saying anything, but I cant resist any longer. Are you saying that people should look up all their own answers? If that is the case, why have this board? Just so mean spirited people like those who answered this guy with useless answers can pounce on the newbie who asks what you consider a question which is not worthy? I think one of the great things about a group like this is I don't need to look up everything myself, I can rely on the knowledge and experience of others, and hopefully bring my experiences to some use here for others. Who should decide what others can ask? If the person comes here for an answer to a question rather that spending hours looking it up themselves, I think it shows that they know where to go for answers. I don't think traveling the hard road is the important part, I think getting the answers is. If you don't have something constructive to say don't reply to the post! If you can't say somethin' nice, Don't say nothin' at all. - Bambi Hope I haven't offended anyone. Sal = Ask yourself if what you are doing today is getting you closer to where you want to be tomorrow. - Unknown __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Ask yourself if what you are doing today is getting you closer to where you want to be tomorrow. - Unknown __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=26507t=25805 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Salary Expectations/CCNP's!!!!!!!!! [7:25805]
I have been following this without saying anything, but I cant resist any longer. Are you saying that people should look up all their own answers? If that is the case, why have this board? Just so mean spirited people like those who answered this guy with useless answers can pounce on the newbie who asks what you consider a question which is not worthy? I think one of the great things about a group like this is I don't need to look up everything myself, I can rely on the knowledge and experience of others, and hopefully bring my experiences to some use here for others. Who should decide what others can ask? If the person comes here for an answer to a question rather that spending hours looking it up themselves, I think it shows that they know where to go for answers. I don't think traveling the hard road is the important part, I think getting the answers is. If you don't have something constructive to say don't reply to the post! If you can't say somethin' nice, Don't say nothin' at all. - Bambi Hope I haven't offended anyone. Sal = Ask yourself if what you are doing today is getting you closer to where you want to be tomorrow. - Unknown __ Do You Yahoo!? Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=26390t=25805 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: All you veterans... [7:26301]
Funny the Golf Course Superintendents Association of America is on the list but not Cisco. I called and they said to send it in and they may pay for it anyway. Sal - Original Message - From: Jeff D To: Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 5:32 PM Subject: All you veterans... [7:26301] Check it out for reimbursement: https://www.gibill.va.gov/Education/LCVets.htm Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=26314t=26301 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
