Re: CCIE Lab Book Review [7:28991]
Elijah, I used the 1st edition book and found good with very little amt of errors. The only problem with the book is that it lacked extensive multi protocol labs, which I heard got added in the new 2nd ed. It is no doubt a comprehensive book though I do not suggest this as the best for the CCIE lab goers but a bible for the CCNP aspirants. CCIE lab goers really need a tasty, delicious and immense one to read! cheers! suresh CNE,MCSE+I,CLS,SCSA,CCNA,CCNP,MCNS,CCIE(Write) http://www.sureshhomepage.com >From: "Elijah Savage" >Reply-To: "Elijah Savage" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: CCIE Lab Book Review [7:28991] >Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:02:22 -0500 > >Does anyone have any comments on this book not many reviews on Amazon. A >guy at work said this thing was so full of mistakes that he got so angry >and took it out to the gun range and filled it full of 44magnum holes >and has it displayed on his desk now, I just can't take his word for it >and the few reviews on Amazon were good reviews. > >Cisco CCIE >All In One Lab Lab Study Guide >ISBN 0-07-212760-0 >By Stephen Hutnik & Micheal Satterlee _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=30012&t=28991 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab Book Review [7:28991]
It is a very good introductory book. I recommend using that book and implement those labs on smaller rack (4-5 routers). Next step would be to do more advanced labs like, IPExpert or Ccbootcamp. -Keyur Shah- CCIE# 4799 (Security; Routing and Switching) css1,ccna,ccda,scsa,scna,mct,mcse,mcp+i,mcp,cni,mcne,cne,cna Hello Computers "Say Hello to Your Future!" http://www.hellocomputers.com Toll-Free: 1.877.794.3556 Fremont: 510.795.6815 Santa Clara: 408.496.0801 Europe: +(44)20 7900 3011 Fax: 510.291.2250 -Original Message- From: Elijah Savage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 3:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Lab Book Review [7:28991] Does anyone have any comments on this book not many reviews on Amazon. A guy at work said this thing was so full of mistakes that he got so angry and took it out to the gun range and filled it full of 44magnum holes and has it displayed on his desk now, I just can't take his word for it and the few reviews on Amazon were good reviews. Cisco CCIE All In One Lab Lab Study Guide ISBN 0-07-212760-0 By Stephen Hutnik & Micheal Satterlee Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=29395&t=28991 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Lab Book Review [7:28991]
I have used: A) 'All-in-One' first edition and a look at the 2nd edition of it. B) 'CCIE Lab Practice kit' ISBN 0-07-212766-X also by Hutnik C) 'IPeXpert Lab workbook' A) All-in-one seems to be the standard starting book and covers the technologies. The labs are trivial and illustrate individual points requiring approx. 3 - 4 routers but is a good starting point. Get 2nd edition as it is improved and has additions on VoIP, DLSW, QoS, & MPLS. B) 'Lab Practice Kit' 1) As has been pointed out there are a number of mistakes, some silly ones which begs the question was it proof read properly. However, if you are any way close to taking the lab then these should be trivial for you to spot. 2) The 6 scenarios are a good half way house between the 'labettes' in All-in-One covering a single point and the full lab simulations in IPeXpert. The scenarios are done on a topic by topic basis and as such are quite good but be aware that you should be thinking of putting aspects of all 6 topics into a single lab to get to the level of interaction and complexity needed in preparation for the real lab. 3) Unlike IPeXpert which is based on a single physical topology, each lab is different so when you want to try another lab you have to shuffle the interface modules around and swap cables over. Personally I prefer to build a single physical topology and work with it for a good while, particularly now that the cabling aspects are no longer part of the lab exam. 4) You need 7 or 8 routers to complete the labs plus ISDN switch plus CAT. It is helpful if one of the routers is a terminal server. 5) The book is $60 compared with $450 for IPeXpert and $650 for CCBOOTCAMP. You get what you pay for. In my opinion worth the $60 but not to be compared with the full lab work books. C) IPeXpert workbook. I have the original version 1.0A to which Wayne has sent me the 1.1 and version 2.0 updates. There are some mistakes particularly in v1.0 but Wayne seems to correct them as they are discovered. This is divided into 2 sections: the first covers the technologies, the second contains 5 full lab simulations. (There is a sixth 1 day lab included in the version 2.0 material). As I have already said there is a single physical topology so you can quickly change from one lab scenario to the next. 1) This is not light on equipment! It has fairly extensive coverage including VoIP, DLSW, & ATM. There are 9 routers to configure in the lab (one of which is the Frame Relay switch R3 and two of which are dual LAN Token Ring / Ethernet) and you also require 3 additional backbone routers, a terminal server, a CAT and a Basic Rate ISDN switch/simulator. If you are careful in your choice of routers you can reduce this by doubling up the function of R3 with one of the backbone routers and the terminal server with the function of another backbone router. But that is still 11 routers! 2) The breadth and depth of coverage of topics seems to be adequate. The simulated labs seem to have slightly more fiddly bits and gotchas than the real thing. 3) The main pain IMHO is that all the 'Show' outputs and example solutions are only on the CD so although the workbook itself is quite compact you end up with a couple of reams of paper to print off from the CD. 4) The diagrams are in colour which helps. 5) Watch out solutions are all given using 12.0 features! Some of which also have other solutions that could be run on 11.2 or even 11.3. This also feeds into point 1 - the equipment requirements are not light! You may need to upgrade the Flash & DRAM on all 11 routers to run 12.0 Enterprise Plus IOS! 6) The 1 day lab is divided into 5 parts: the morning, the afternoon, moderators comments (I found this helpful to review what was wanted), the 'show' o/p, and the example solution. 7) IPeXpert workbook labs are no where near as well represented on GroupStudy as are the CCBootcamp ones. 8) The IPeXpert labs are reputed to be more up to date than the CCBootcamp ones though not having seen the later I am not in a position to comment either way. 9) Wayne is fairly responsive by email to comments and questions. On the whole I am enjoying working through the scenarios in all 3 resources and feel that they complement each other rather than compete. Peter In article , Elijah Savage writes >Does anyone have any comments on this book not many reviews on Amazon. A >guy at work said this thing was so full of mistakes that he got so angry >and took it out to the gun range and filled it full of 44magnum holes >and has it displayed on his desk now, I just can't take his word for it >and the few reviews on Amazon were good reviews. > >Cisco CCIE >All In One Lab Lab Study Guide >ISBN 0-07-212760-0 >By Stephen Hutnik & Micheal Satterlee >html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Peter Whittle Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=29082&t=28991 ---
RE: CCIE Lab Book Review [7:28991]
Well, I am using the latest edition and its not bad. Agreed, that there are couple of mistakes, but they are visible and silly. Its a good place to start (but not stop), after finishing every lab in it, one gets ready to take the more challenging ones from CCBOOTCAMP or IPEXPERT (certification zone). I havent seen these 2 but I have read some very good reviews about both, and would most likely end up buying both. Nick Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=29004&t=28991 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Lab Book Review [7:28991]
I thought it was OK, but not in depth enough. It covered a pretty wide range of topics, so most of the labs seem to only scratch the surface. Not sure about the mistakes part. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=28992&t=28991 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE Lab Book Review [7:28991]
Does anyone have any comments on this book not many reviews on Amazon. A guy at work said this thing was so full of mistakes that he got so angry and took it out to the gun range and filled it full of 44magnum holes and has it displayed on his desk now, I just can't take his word for it and the few reviews on Amazon were good reviews. Cisco CCIE All In One Lab Lab Study Guide ISBN 0-07-212760-0 By Stephen Hutnik & Micheal Satterlee Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=28991&t=28991 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
