Re: Re: China/Cisco connection [7:35946]
You are correct. It's called Echelon. There are some staellite stations in England and Austalia and I'm sure others as well. It's run by the NSA. wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... It is also rumored that every cross-country electronic conversation anyone make is been recorded in a condensed form some where in the US. Conversations like telephone calls, Fax, emails, etc is been recorded and 'diagnosed' for some specific information, and could be reproduced and expanded where necessary. With my knowledge of how Intrusion detection works in the Swicth blade (IDSM), where the blade sits as a line card in the backplane of the Catalyst 6000 switch, it does not interfere with the traffic going through the Switch backplane but these traffics are copied to its buffer for examination, it triggers an alarm and send a detail message to the director interface when it discover a comparison between at least one of its stored signatures and the packet been examined, I kind of believe that sniffing the whole internet is VERY possible and it cannot be just rumors. Again, how secure is the internet??? To me it is just a round-robin stuff. Someone implemented all the encryption technology we have seen so far and the key to decrypt then are not hiden far away in heaven, they are still with us humans. My 0.2 cent Regards. Oletu - Original Message - From: Steven A. Ridder To: Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 4:48 PM Subject: Re: Re: China/Cisco connection [7:35946] It's a rumor. wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I only agree partially. On the other hand, US government put censorship on the whole Internet, if anyone could remember what happened during US bombing of the Serbs. The news said that a virus sent NATO secrets to an ICQ site, which was quickly deleted by an USA robot, and the robot notified government angecies of the discovery and the results. The same news claimed that the whole Internet is been checked every 10 minutes by various government programs. From TV, FRI (or CIA) experts publicly demostrated how they could trace a message from one end of the world to another end of the world. There was another news said that US government put on filters on Internet to search keywords, such as weapon. Since I am too old to be naive, I wonder what else would be on the filter list, or inside the robot programs. Let's hope whoever has the power to control information on Internet only do it for legitimate purpose. But, I know that I asked for too much. Tony Dominick Marino wrote: I agree with Joseph Brunner. To compare the two is absurd! The Chinese will use the technology to suppress the truth from becoming known to the people ( peasants to the elite). It is also a good way to find the subversives and eliminate them. As for the US government monitoring the traffic, I doubt that they plan on killing anyone for their selection of web sites. Unless they are terrorists, then, if they want, I will supply the bullets myself. Dom Marino B.J. Wilson wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... An interesting article I came across this morning: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/000/922dgmtd. a sp Comments? -- __ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=36196t=35946 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: China/Cisco connection [7:35946]
I agree with Joseph Brunner. To compare the two is absurd! The Chinese will use the technology to suppress the truth from becoming known to the people ( peasants to the elite). It is also a good way to find the subversives and eliminate them. As for the US government monitoring the traffic, I doubt that they plan on killing anyone for their selection of web sites. Unless they are terrorists, then, if they want, I will supply the bullets myself. Dom Marino B.J. Wilson wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... An interesting article I came across this morning: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/000/922dgmtd.a sp Comments? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=36048t=35946 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Re: China/Cisco connection [7:35946]
I only agree partially. On the other hand, US government put censorship on the whole Internet, if anyone could remember what happened during US bombing of the Serbs. The news said that a virus sent NATO secrets to an ICQ site, which was quickly deleted by an USA robot, and the robot notified government angecies of the discovery and the results. The same news claimed that the whole Internet is been checked every 10 minutes by various government programs. From TV, FRI (or CIA) experts publicly demostrated how they could trace a message from one end of the world to another end of the world. There was another news said that US government put on filters on Internet to search keywords, such as weapon. Since I am too old to be naive, I wonder what else would be on the filter list, or inside the robot programs. Let's hope whoever has the power to control information on Internet only do it for legitimate purpose. But, I know that I asked for too much. Tony Dominick Marino wrote: I agree with Joseph Brunner. To compare the two is absurd! The Chinese will use the technology to suppress the truth from becoming known to the people ( peasants to the elite). It is also a good way to find the subversives and eliminate them. As for the US government monitoring the traffic, I doubt that they plan on killing anyone for their selection of web sites. Unless they are terrorists, then, if they want, I will supply the bullets myself. Dom Marino B.J. Wilson wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... An interesting article I came across this morning: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/000/922dgmtd.a sp Comments? -- __ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=36137t=35946 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: China/Cisco connection [7:35946]
It's a rumor. wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I only agree partially. On the other hand, US government put censorship on the whole Internet, if anyone could remember what happened during US bombing of the Serbs. The news said that a virus sent NATO secrets to an ICQ site, which was quickly deleted by an USA robot, and the robot notified government angecies of the discovery and the results. The same news claimed that the whole Internet is been checked every 10 minutes by various government programs. From TV, FRI (or CIA) experts publicly demostrated how they could trace a message from one end of the world to another end of the world. There was another news said that US government put on filters on Internet to search keywords, such as weapon. Since I am too old to be naive, I wonder what else would be on the filter list, or inside the robot programs. Let's hope whoever has the power to control information on Internet only do it for legitimate purpose. But, I know that I asked for too much. Tony Dominick Marino wrote: I agree with Joseph Brunner. To compare the two is absurd! The Chinese will use the technology to suppress the truth from becoming known to the people ( peasants to the elite). It is also a good way to find the subversives and eliminate them. As for the US government monitoring the traffic, I doubt that they plan on killing anyone for their selection of web sites. Unless they are terrorists, then, if they want, I will supply the bullets myself. Dom Marino B.J. Wilson wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... An interesting article I came across this morning: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/000/922dgmtd. a sp Comments? -- __ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=36142t=35946 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Re: China/Cisco connection [7:35946]
At 07:13 PM 2/21/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's hope whoever has the power to control information on Internet only do it for legitimate purpose. That would be nobody. (at least in most countries ;-) It's out of control. But, I know that I asked for too much. Tony Dominick Marino wrote: I agree with Joseph Brunner. To compare the two is absurd! The Chinese will use the technology to suppress the truth from becoming known to the people ( peasants to the elite). It is also a good way to find the subversives and eliminate them. As for the US government monitoring the traffic, I doubt that they plan on killing anyone for their selection of web sites. Unless they are terrorists, then, if they want, I will supply the bullets myself. Dom Marino B.J. Wilson wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... An interesting article I came across this morning: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/000/922dgmtd.a sp Comments? -- __ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=36150t=35946 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: China/Cisco connection [7:35946]
It is also rumored that every cross-country electronic conversation anyone make is been recorded in a condensed form some where in the US. Conversations like telephone calls, Fax, emails, etc is been recorded and 'diagnosed' for some specific information, and could be reproduced and expanded where necessary. With my knowledge of how Intrusion detection works in the Swicth blade (IDSM), where the blade sits as a line card in the backplane of the Catalyst 6000 switch, it does not interfere with the traffic going through the Switch backplane but these traffics are copied to its buffer for examination, it triggers an alarm and send a detail message to the director interface when it discover a comparison between at least one of its stored signatures and the packet been examined, I kind of believe that sniffing the whole internet is VERY possible and it cannot be just rumors. Again, how secure is the internet??? To me it is just a round-robin stuff. Someone implemented all the encryption technology we have seen so far and the key to decrypt then are not hiden far away in heaven, they are still with us humans. My 0.2 cent Regards. Oletu - Original Message - From: Steven A. Ridder To: Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 4:48 PM Subject: Re: Re: China/Cisco connection [7:35946] It's a rumor. wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I only agree partially. On the other hand, US government put censorship on the whole Internet, if anyone could remember what happened during US bombing of the Serbs. The news said that a virus sent NATO secrets to an ICQ site, which was quickly deleted by an USA robot, and the robot notified government angecies of the discovery and the results. The same news claimed that the whole Internet is been checked every 10 minutes by various government programs. From TV, FRI (or CIA) experts publicly demostrated how they could trace a message from one end of the world to another end of the world. There was another news said that US government put on filters on Internet to search keywords, such as weapon. Since I am too old to be naive, I wonder what else would be on the filter list, or inside the robot programs. Let's hope whoever has the power to control information on Internet only do it for legitimate purpose. But, I know that I asked for too much. Tony Dominick Marino wrote: I agree with Joseph Brunner. To compare the two is absurd! The Chinese will use the technology to suppress the truth from becoming known to the people ( peasants to the elite). It is also a good way to find the subversives and eliminate them. As for the US government monitoring the traffic, I doubt that they plan on killing anyone for their selection of web sites. Unless they are terrorists, then, if they want, I will supply the bullets myself. Dom Marino B.J. Wilson wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... An interesting article I came across this morning: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/000/922dgmtd. a sp Comments? -- __ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=36162t=35946 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
China/Cisco connection [7:35946]
An interesting article I came across this morning: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/000/922dgmtd.a sp Comments? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=35946t=35946 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: China/Cisco connection [7:35946]
so. BFD, packets can be sniffed and access to certain sites can be blocked. so what? nothing new here. We get questions on this list regularly about how to do it. There are several companies, including but not only Cisco, who make a lot of money selling content blocking products. Most things in life can be used for good or evil. The internet is no different. Corporate and government response to the internet is no different. BTW, does the US government filter access to the internet for it's employees and from it's offices? bet they do! Chuck B.J. Wilson wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... An interesting article I came across this morning: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/000/922dgmtd.a sp Comments? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=35949t=35946 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: China/Cisco connection [7:35946]
hhh.. them commies, with the full cooperation of cisco, censoring Groupstudy? Where are all the posts today? B.J. Wilson wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... An interesting article I came across this morning: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/000/922dgmtd.a sp Comments? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=35961t=35946 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: China/Cisco connection [7:35946]
BTW, does the US government filter access to the internet for it's employees and from it's offices? bet they do! Don't compare the access US govt employees have @ work, (where our tax dollars pay the bills) to the access these same employees have in their homes. The Chinese government is not just blocking its employees internet access while on the job, it is limiting free speech in the entire country. Such an arrogant comparison is dangerous. Lets not forget our countrymen who were held against their will as pow's for 2 weeks last year. China is an oppressive communist dictatorship, hate our government all you want, at home you have free reign of the net. Joseph Brunner ASN 21572 MortgageIT MITLending New York, NY 10038 (212) 651 - 7695 Voice (212) 651 - 7795 Fax -Original Message- From: Chuck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 9:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: China/Cisco connection [7:35946] so. BFD, packets can be sniffed and access to certain sites can be blocked. so what? nothing new here. We get questions on this list regularly about how to do it. There are several companies, including but not only Cisco, who make a lot of money selling content blocking products. Most things in life can be used for good or evil. The internet is no different. Corporate and government response to the internet is no different. BTW, does the US government filter access to the internet for it's employees and from it's offices? bet they do! Chuck Joseph Brunner ASN 21572 MortgageIT MITLending New York, NY 10038 (212) 651 - 7695 Voice (212) 651 - 7795 Fax Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=36037t=35946 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
