Copy of My Official Post to Management on Thread

2001-01-12 Thread Jennifer Cribbs

Hello,

I have sent a post to the management team here and I am sending a copy of it 
for "whomever it concerns" or "is concerned" in reading it here to 
groupstudy, as I try to shoot a straight pistol, as we say in TX.  The only 
thing that is not included in this e-mail is the thread of conversation that 
was included with the original to the hotline, which I am sure everyone is 
familiar with.  I would also like to please ask people not to reply to 
anything else Mr.Skinner says about me.  It does not matter.  I am not 
responding anymore.  I thank everyone for the support.

I partly blame myself for allowing myself to be put in a situation where this 
could possibly occur.  I like this group, and I hope I will continue to like 
it.  I have learned a valuable lesson today and one which I will remember.

Thank you,
Jennifer Cribbs
---

Good Afternoon,

I have a problem I want to bring to someone's attention.  I am enclosing a 
thread at the bottom of this e-mail that I wanted to send this for someone to 
read.  There are multiple threads Mr Skinner has started listed in the digest 
from the last few issues and they are entitled "Boson vs Colt", or something 
similiar.  Today, he make very derogatory remarks concerning three people and 
so I replied to him and called him on his disrespect. I have received 
numerous e-mails from other people on this list apologising for Mr.Skinner's 
reply mail to me which was very callous, and is why I am sending this.  My 
first thought on this is that it should not be necessary for anyone to 
apologize for anyone else's e-mail.  Noone is responsible for their actions 
except that person.  

This is supposed to be a list for people to learn and this man is taking up 
good server space with his games and is distracting the purpose of this 
groupstudy.  And, I would like to point out that in the last mail he sent, 
which is at the top of this thread I am including, he specifically is saying 
he is here to play games with people.  Anyone can be tempted, especially if 
their finances might be in trouble.  Even for a $30.00 Boson test.  But is 
this site resorting to "allowing" this type of game playing to go on with no 
repercussions of any kindHe is not here to learn.  He is trying to get a 
rise out of people and distract people and test people in their basic 
principles of honesty and intregrity.  And he has insulted me, and my 
husband!  

I truely enjoy this group, and I am trusting that someone will handle this 
properly and promptly.  I would very much like a reply to this please and 
would also like to be informed of any action taken or of the occurance of any 
further actions regarding this.  I feel a public post would be appropriate in 
this situation informing all members of whatever action is done or not done, 
since many are upset. 

I also am aware that I should not have been goaded into any type of response 
to this type of mail, but since it has occured, how do we handle it??  This 
is a very real problem.  

I hope you don't feel that this makes me a trouble-maker.  I have never been 
labeled as such and would hate to give that impression, but I don't know what 
to do or how to handle this

Thank you,
Jennifer Cribbs
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Jennifer Cribbs


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Re: Copy of My Official Post to Management on Thread

2001-01-12 Thread Patrick Bass

So why post this crap to the newsgroup?  Nobody cares about your personal
problem.

"Jennifer Cribbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hello,
>
> I have sent a post to the management team here and I am sending a copy of
it
> for "whomever it concerns" or "is concerned" in reading it here to
> groupstudy, as I try to shoot a straight pistol, as we say in TX.  The
only
> thing that is not included in this e-mail is the thread of conversation
that
> was included with the original to the hotline, which I am sure everyone is
> familiar with.  I would also like to please ask people not to reply to
> anything else Mr.Skinner says about me.  It does not matter.  I am not
> responding anymore.  I thank everyone for the support.
>
> I partly blame myself for allowing myself to be put in a situation where
this
> could possibly occur.  I like this group, and I hope I will continue to
like
> it.  I have learned a valuable lesson today and one which I will remember.
>
> Thank you,
> Jennifer Cribbs
> ---
>
> Good Afternoon,
>
> I have a problem I want to bring to someone's attention.  I am enclosing a
> thread at the bottom of this e-mail that I wanted to send this for someone
to
> read.  There are multiple threads Mr Skinner has started listed in the
digest
> from the last few issues and they are entitled "Boson vs Colt", or
something
> similiar.  Today, he make very derogatory remarks concerning three people
and
> so I replied to him and called him on his disrespect. I have received
> numerous e-mails from other people on this list apologising for
Mr.Skinner's
> reply mail to me which was very callous, and is why I am sending this.  My
> first thought on this is that it should not be necessary for anyone to
> apologize for anyone else's e-mail.  Noone is responsible for their
actions
> except that person.
>
> This is supposed to be a list for people to learn and this man is taking
up
> good server space with his games and is distracting the purpose of this
> groupstudy.  And, I would like to point out that in the last mail he sent,
> which is at the top of this thread I am including, he specifically is
saying
> he is here to play games with people.  Anyone can be tempted, especially
if
> their finances might be in trouble.  Even for a $30.00 Boson test.  But is
> this site resorting to "allowing" this type of game playing to go on with
no
> repercussions of any kindHe is not here to learn.  He is trying to get
a
> rise out of people and distract people and test people in their basic
> principles of honesty and intregrity.  And he has insulted me, and my
> husband!
>
> I truely enjoy this group, and I am trusting that someone will handle this
> properly and promptly.  I would very much like a reply to this please and
> would also like to be informed of any action taken or of the occurance of
any
> further actions regarding this.  I feel a public post would be appropriate
in
> this situation informing all members of whatever action is done or not
done,
> since many are upset.
>
> I also am aware that I should not have been goaded into any type of
response
> to this type of mail, but since it has occured, how do we handle it??
This
> is a very real problem.
>
> I hope you don't feel that this makes me a trouble-maker.  I have never
been
> labeled as such and would hate to give that impression, but I don't know
what
> to do or how to handle this
>
> Thank you,
> Jennifer Cribbs
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ===
>
> --
> Have a good day!!!
> Jennifer Cribbs
>
>
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Re: Copy of My Official Post to Management on Thread

2001-01-12 Thread Andy


Those of us that have been on mailing-lists for many years have a name for
the orginal message. Its called a troll. When someone trolls your list,
you simply do not respond to it, as that is the purpose of the troll and
get on with your lives. Some people have spent entirely too much time
worrying about this when you don't even know if he even had a crack, and
if he did fine. If you care, email him privately, if you don't, then
you delete it. I'm just simply amazed at the amount of energy and time
that went into this thread. This stuff just isn't that hard...

andy

On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Jennifer Cribbs wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I have sent a post to the management team here and I am sending a copy of it 
> for "whomever it concerns" or "is concerned" in reading it here to 
> groupstudy, as I try to shoot a straight pistol, as we say in TX.  The only 
> thing that is not included in this e-mail is the thread of conversation that 
> was included with the original to the hotline, which I am sure everyone is 
> familiar with.  I would also like to please ask people not to reply to 
> anything else Mr.Skinner says about me.  It does not matter.  I am not 
> responding anymore.  I thank everyone for the support.
> 
> I partly blame myself for allowing myself to be put in a situation where this 
> could possibly occur.  I like this group, and I hope I will continue to like 
> it.  I have learned a valuable lesson today and one which I will remember.
> 
> Thank you,
> Jennifer Cribbs
> ---
> 
> Good Afternoon,
> 
> I have a problem I want to bring to someone's attention.  I am enclosing a 
> thread at the bottom of this e-mail that I wanted to send this for someone to 
> read.  There are multiple threads Mr Skinner has started listed in the digest 
> from the last few issues and they are entitled "Boson vs Colt", or something 
> similiar.  Today, he make very derogatory remarks concerning three people and 
> so I replied to him and called him on his disrespect. I have received 
> numerous e-mails from other people on this list apologising for Mr.Skinner's 
> reply mail to me which was very callous, and is why I am sending this.  My 
> first thought on this is that it should not be necessary for anyone to 
> apologize for anyone else's e-mail.  Noone is responsible for their actions 
> except that person.  
> 
> This is supposed to be a list for people to learn and this man is taking up 
> good server space with his games and is distracting the purpose of this 
> groupstudy.  And, I would like to point out that in the last mail he sent, 
> which is at the top of this thread I am including, he specifically is saying 
> he is here to play games with people.  Anyone can be tempted, especially if 
> their finances might be in trouble.  Even for a $30.00 Boson test.  But is 
> this site resorting to "allowing" this type of game playing to go on with no 
> repercussions of any kindHe is not here to learn.  He is trying to get a 
> rise out of people and distract people and test people in their basic 
> principles of honesty and intregrity.  And he has insulted me, and my 
> husband!  
> 
> I truely enjoy this group, and I am trusting that someone will handle this 
> properly and promptly.  I would very much like a reply to this please and 
> would also like to be informed of any action taken or of the occurance of any 
> further actions regarding this.  I feel a public post would be appropriate in 
> this situation informing all members of whatever action is done or not done, 
> since many are upset. 
> 
> I also am aware that I should not have been goaded into any type of response 
> to this type of mail, but since it has occured, how do we handle it??  This 
> is a very real problem.  
> 
> I hope you don't feel that this makes me a trouble-maker.  I have never been 
> labeled as such and would hate to give that impression, but I don't know what 
> to do or how to handle this
> 
> Thank you,
> Jennifer Cribbs
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ===
> 
> -- 
> Have a good day!!!
> Jennifer Cribbs
> 
> 
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Re: Copy of My Official Post to Management on Thread

2001-01-12 Thread John Neiberger

I agree.  When it comes to trolls and other threads such as these, sometimes
the best course of action is to do nothing but hit the delete button.  This
is the "Let it drop because no one will remember it in a couple of days,
anyway" philosophy.  Ignore trolls and they often go away.  If they don't,
then into the kill file they go.

just my $.01 after taxes,
John

>  
>  Those of us that have been on mailing-lists for many years have a name
for
>  the orginal message. Its called a troll. When someone trolls your list,
>  you simply do not respond to it, as that is the purpose of the troll and
>  get on with your lives. Some people have spent entirely too much time
>  worrying about this when you don't even know if he even had a crack, and
>  if he did fine. If you care, email him privately, if you don't, then
>  you delete it. I'm just simply amazed at the amount of energy and time
>  that went into this thread. This stuff just isn't that hard...
>  
>  andy
>  
>  On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Jennifer Cribbs wrote:
>  
>  > Hello,
>  > 
>  > I have sent a post to the management team here and I am sending a copy
of it 
>  > for "whomever it concerns" or "is concerned" in reading it here to 
>  > groupstudy, as I try to shoot a straight pistol, as we say in TX.  The
only 
>  > thing that is not included in this e-mail is the thread of conversation
that 
>  > was included with the original to the hotline, which I am sure everyone
is 
>  > familiar with.  I would also like to please ask people not to reply to 
>  > anything else Mr.Skinner says about me.  It does not matter.  I am not 
>  > responding anymore.  I thank everyone for the support.
>  > 
>  > I partly blame myself for allowing myself to be put in a situation
where this 
>  > could possibly occur.  I like this group, and I hope I will continue to
like 
>  > it.  I have learned a valuable lesson today and one which I will
remember.
>  > 
>  > Thank you,
>  > Jennifer Cribbs
>  > ---
>  > 
>  > Good Afternoon,
>  > 
>  > I have a problem I want to bring to someone's attention.  I am
enclosing a 
>  > thread at the bottom of this e-mail that I wanted to send this for
someone to 
>  > read.  There are multiple threads Mr Skinner has started listed in the
digest 
>  > from the last few issues and they are entitled "Boson vs Colt", or
something 
>  > similiar.  Today, he make very derogatory remarks concerning three
people and 
>  > so I replied to him and called him on his disrespect. I have received 
>  > numerous e-mails from other people on this list apologising for
Mr.Skinner's 
>  > reply mail to me which was very callous, and is why I am sending this. 
My 
>  > first thought on this is that it should not be necessary for anyone to 
>  > apologize for anyone else's e-mail.  Noone is responsible for their
actions 
>  > except that person.  
>  > 
>  > This is supposed to be a list for people to learn and this man is
taking up 
>  > good server space with his games and is distracting the purpose of this

>  > groupstudy.  And, I would like to point out that in the last mail he
sent, 
>  > which is at the top of this thread I am including, he specifically is
saying 
>  > he is here to play games with people.  Anyone can be tempted,
especially if 
>  > their finances might be in trouble.  Even for a $30.00 Boson test.  But
is 
>  > this site resorting to "allowing" this type of game playing to go on
with no 
>  > repercussions of any kindHe is not here to learn.  He is trying to
get a 
>  > rise out of people and distract people and test people in their basic 
>  > principles of honesty and intregrity.  And he has insulted me, and my 
>  > husband!  
>  > 
>  > I truely enjoy this group, and I am trusting that someone will handle
this 
>  > properly and promptly.  I would very much like a reply to this please
and 
>  > would also like to be informed of any action taken or of the occurance
of any 
>  > further actions regarding this.  I feel a public post would be
appropriate in 
>  > this situation informing all members of whatever action is done or not
done, 
>  > since many are upset. 
>  > 
>  > I also am aware that I should not have been goaded into any type of
response 
>  > to this type of mail, but since it has occured, how do we handle it?? 
This 
>  > is a very real problem.  
>  > 
>  > I hope you don't feel that this makes me a trouble-maker.  I have never
been 
>  > labeled as such and would hate to give that impression, but I don't
know what 
>  > to do or how to handle this
>  > 
>  > Thank you,
>  > Jennifer Cribbs
>  > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > ===
>  > 
>  > -- 
>  > Have a good day!!!
>  > Jennifer Cribbs
>  > 
>  > 
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Re: Copy of My Official Post to Management on Thread

2001-01-12 Thread Paul Borghese

Management team?  How come I am the only one that shows up to the meetings
:-).

Ok few things you all should have learned in Kindergarten:

1.  No stealing
2.  Play nice

Please do not violate either rule.

Ok, now for the good news.  I am currently in the process of writing
software that will allow a group of people to moderate the list.  How this
will work is the software will select messages it believes are a violation
of the list rules to be sent to the moderation team before distribution.
The software does that now except there is no moderation team, hence it gets
suck in queue.  About once every six months I check the queue and say "Dam
that is a lot of messages". So now there will actually be someone looking at
the messages.  If we have a large enough team, the delay should not be that
noticeable.  The software is finished I just need to debug it.

I normally like to take a hands off approach to the list and not make myself
to visible.  But in this case I am going to make an executive decision to
block, for the time, any message relating to Boson products.  This will
hopefully kill the threads.  Please do not be upset if your insightful and
witty reply does not make it to the list.  Remember it is a big dumb program
that rejected the message, not a human.

Take care,

Paul Borghese

- Original Message -
From: "Jennifer Cribbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 2:21 PM
Subject: Copy of My Official Post to Management on Thread


> Hello,
>
> I have sent a post to the management team here and I am sending a copy of
it
> for "whomever it concerns" or "is concerned" in reading it here to
> groupstudy, as I try to shoot a straight pistol, as we say in TX.  The
only
> thing that is not included in this e-mail is the thread of conversation
that
> was included with the original to the hotline, which I am sure everyone is
> familiar with.  I would also like to please ask people not to reply to
> anything else Mr.Skinner says about me.  It does not matter.  I am not
> responding anymore.  I thank everyone for the support.
>
> I partly blame myself for allowing myself to be put in a situation where
this
> could possibly occur.  I like this group, and I hope I will continue to
like
> it.  I have learned a valuable lesson today and one which I will remember.
>
> Thank you,
> Jennifer Cribbs
> ---
>
> Good Afternoon,
>
> I have a problem I want to bring to someone's attention.  I am enclosing a
> thread at the bottom of this e-mail that I wanted to send this for someone
to
> read.  There are multiple threads Mr Skinner has started listed in the
digest
> from the last few issues and they are entitled "Boson vs Colt", or
something
> similiar.  Today, he make very derogatory remarks concerning three people
and
> so I replied to him and called him on his disrespect. I have received
> numerous e-mails from other people on this list apologising for
Mr.Skinner's
> reply mail to me which was very callous, and is why I am sending this.  My
> first thought on this is that it should not be necessary for anyone to
> apologize for anyone else's e-mail.  Noone is responsible for their
actions
> except that person.
>
> This is supposed to be a list for people to learn and this man is taking
up
> good server space with his games and is distracting the purpose of this
> groupstudy.  And, I would like to point out that in the last mail he sent,
> which is at the top of this thread I am including, he specifically is
saying
> he is here to play games with people.  Anyone can be tempted, especially
if
> their finances might be in trouble.  Even for a $30.00 Boson test.  But is
> this site resorting to "allowing" this type of game playing to go on with
no
> repercussions of any kindHe is not here to learn.  He is trying to get
a
> rise out of people and distract people and test people in their basic
> principles of honesty and intregrity.  And he has insulted me, and my
> husband!
>
> I truely enjoy this group, and I am trusting that someone will handle this
> properly and promptly.  I would very much like a reply to this please and
> would also like to be informed of any action taken or of the occurance of
any
> further actions regarding this.  I feel a public post would be appropriate
in
> this situation informing all members of whatever action is done or not
done,
> since many are upset.
>
> I also am aware that I should not have been goaded into any type of
response
> to this type of mail, but since it has occured, how do we handle it??
This
> is a very real problem.
>
> I hope you don't feel that this makes me a trouble-maker.  I have never
been
> labeled as such a