Re: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44714]
My interpretation of what he meant by that is you have to understand everything that encompasses a campus network. you have to first understand what the data is that the user what's, where it is and how it is that he going to get that information. I.E. There is data on the mainframe that some user needs, it gets pushed to an Oracle/Sun server every night. The user has a PC that logs into a NT domain via his PC and accesses the service, and then the user needs to update the information to the mainframe. When the user has a problem, where do you start to look? Oh and by the way it is a Cisco network, so do you bring in a CCIE to solve the problem? Maybe... - Original Message - From: "Cisco Nuts" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 3:03 PM Subject: Re: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44714] > Could you elaborate on the "backbone engineering is at a level far more > specialized and complex than the CCIE level, and there haven't been > formalized ways to learn it." > > I would love to know more about what you actuall mean? > > Thank you. > > Regards. > > > >From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" > >Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44714] > >Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:49:09 -0400 > > > >I'm not saying to close the thread or not, although I think the > >moderators (I am one) are starting to block messages that come across > >as personal attacks. > > > >What I see is the fundamental misperception in this thread is an > >assumption there is a binary choice between experience and new > >training. I freely admit there are experienced people that have had 1 > >year of experience 20 times. But other experienced people have BOTH > >the experience and the in-depth protocol knowledge, which puts them > >in a position to learn even faster -- if they want to. > > > >Earlier in the thread, someone said "would you put something in > >production without lab testing?" As with everything else in > >networking, "it depends." A large ISP, for example, will test a new > >IOS release in a lab, but they can't possibly have a lab that will > >let them see the effects of the change on tens of thousands of > >routers. This is true of router manufacturers as well. > > > >For very large networks, it may be possible to use true (i.e., Monte > >Carlo) simulation or mathematical analysis. But experience does have > >a major role in Internet backbone engineering. Let me simply say > >that backbone engineering is at a level far more specialized and > >complex than the CCIE level, and there haven't been formalized ways > >to learn it. > _ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=44745&t=44714 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44714]
Could you elaborate on the "backbone engineering is at a level far more specialized and complex than the CCIE level, and there haven't been formalized ways to learn it." I would love to know more about what you actuall mean? Thank you. Regards. >From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" >Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44714] >Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:49:09 -0400 > >I'm not saying to close the thread or not, although I think the >moderators (I am one) are starting to block messages that come across >as personal attacks. > >What I see is the fundamental misperception in this thread is an >assumption there is a binary choice between experience and new >training. I freely admit there are experienced people that have had 1 >year of experience 20 times. But other experienced people have BOTH >the experience and the in-depth protocol knowledge, which puts them >in a position to learn even faster -- if they want to. > >Earlier in the thread, someone said "would you put something in >production without lab testing?" As with everything else in >networking, "it depends." A large ISP, for example, will test a new >IOS release in a lab, but they can't possibly have a lab that will >let them see the effects of the change on tens of thousands of >routers. This is true of router manufacturers as well. > >For very large networks, it may be possible to use true (i.e., Monte >Carlo) simulation or mathematical analysis. But experience does have >a major role in Internet backbone engineering. Let me simply say >that backbone engineering is at a level far more specialized and >complex than the CCIE level, and there haven't been formalized ways >to learn it. _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=44737&t=44714 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44714]
I'm not saying to close the thread or not, although I think the moderators (I am one) are starting to block messages that come across as personal attacks. What I see is the fundamental misperception in this thread is an assumption there is a binary choice between experience and new training. I freely admit there are experienced people that have had 1 year of experience 20 times. But other experienced people have BOTH the experience and the in-depth protocol knowledge, which puts them in a position to learn even faster -- if they want to. Earlier in the thread, someone said "would you put something in production without lab testing?" As with everything else in networking, "it depends." A large ISP, for example, will test a new IOS release in a lab, but they can't possibly have a lab that will let them see the effects of the change on tens of thousands of routers. This is true of router manufacturers as well. For very large networks, it may be possible to use true (i.e., Monte Carlo) simulation or mathematical analysis. But experience does have a major role in Internet backbone engineering. Let me simply say that backbone engineering is at a level far more specialized and complex than the CCIE level, and there haven't been formalized ways to learn it. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=44714&t=44714 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
