RE: Subject: PIM shared tree source tree

2001-01-11 Thread Brant Stevens

Here's a really good papaer on Multicast:
http://www.3com.com/nsc/501303.html


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Subject: Re: Subject: PIM shared tree source tree


Do you have a link to this whitepaper?  I could probably
explain all of the information below, but I am curious at to
what this white paper says in detail, before I attempted to try
and explain it.

v/r,

Paul Werner


 Subject: PIM shared tree source tree

 this is taken from there white paper

 The following process describes the move from shared tree to
source tree
 in
 more detail:
 1 Receiver joins a group; leaf Router C sends a Join message
toward RP.
 2 RP puts link to Router C in its outgoing interface list.
 3 Source sends data; Router A encapsulates data in Register
and sends it
 to
 RP.
 4 RP forwards data down the shared tree to Router C and sends
a Join
 message
 toward Source. At
 this point, data may arrive twice at Router C, once
encapsulated and
 once
 natively.
 WHY WHY WHY ...it dosent` say why it will arrive
nativley.GIT

 5 When data arrives natively (unencapsulated) at RP, RP sends
a
 Register-Stop message to Router
 A.(i can understand that)
 6 By default, reception of the first data packet prompts
Router C to
 send a
 Join message toward
 Source.
 7 When Router C receives data on (S,G),(???) it sends a
Prune
 message
 for Source up the shared tree.
 WHY WHY WHY ?

 8 RP deletes the link to Router C from outgoing interface of
(S,G). RP
 triggers a Prune message
 toward Source.
 WHY WHY !


 AM I MISSING SOMETHING..SORRY IVE BEEN AT IT ALL DAY ...
 and my brain now hurts

 TIA

 steve


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Re: RE: PIM shared tree source tree

2001-01-11 Thread Paul Werner

Hi,

Now I know which link you were referencing.  It is *okay* as a 
reference for IP multicast, but there are much better (and 
clearer) sources of information.  The most important conceptual 
thing you need to master before you deal with PIM (in any form) 
is to understand the fundamentals of any type of multicast 
routing, namely that it is "upside down routing".  By that I 
mean that in normal unicast routing we are always concerned 
about getting from a source to a destination.  In multicast 
routing, it is the exact opposite.  Destinations are multicast 
clients and they are trying to find a path to the source or 
sources of the multicast streams.  You probably would benefit 
tremendously by reading Beau Williamson's book, "Developing IP 
Multicast networks" ISBN: 1578700779.

I wanted to try to attempt to explain PIM Sparse Mode in very 
clear and concise terms.  OTOH, I came across this post:


 I AM ABOUT TO BECOME REALLY UNPOPULARbut i have a crack 
for ALL the 
 BOSON test so you can get the FULL version for FREE.
 
 anybody!..


..And I decided to forego the explanation.


Paul Werner


 Subject: RE: PIM shared tree source tree
 
 Sorry
 "Configuring IP multicast routing"
 As per above
 Understand PIM Shared Tree and Source Tree (Shortest Path 
Tree)
 
 "
 If the data rate warrants, leaf routers on the shared tree 
may initiate
 a 
 switch to the data distribution
 tree rooted at the source. This type of distribution tree is 
called a 
 shortest path tree or source tree.
 By default, the Cisco IOS software switches to a source tree 
upon
 receiving 
 the first data packet from
 a source.
 The following process describes the move from shared tree to 
source tree
 in 
 more detail:


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PIM shared tree source tree

2001-01-10 Thread Stephen Skinner

this is taken from there white paper

The following process describes the move from shared tree to source tree in 
more detail:
1 Receiver joins a group; leaf Router C sends a Join message toward RP.
2 RP puts link to Router C in its outgoing interface list.
3 Source sends data; Router A encapsulates data in Register and sends it to 
RP.
4 RP forwards data down the shared tree to Router C and sends a Join message 
toward Source. At
this point, data may arrive twice at Router C, once encapsulated and once 
natively.
WHY WHY WHY ...it dosent` say why it will arrive nativley.GIT

5 When data arrives natively (unencapsulated) at RP, RP sends a 
Register-Stop message to Router
A.(i can understand that)
6 By default, reception of the first data packet prompts Router C to send a 
Join message toward
Source.
7 When Router C receives data on (S,G),(???) it sends a Prune message 
for Source up the shared tree.
WHY WHY WHY ?

8 RP deletes the link to Router C from outgoing interface of (S,G). RP 
triggers a Prune message
toward Source.
WHY WHY !


AM I MISSING SOMETHING..SORRY IVE BEEN AT IT ALL DAY ...
and my brain now hurts

TIA

steve

S6234


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PIM shared tree source tree

2001-01-10 Thread Stephen Skinner

this is taken from there white paper

The following process describes the move from shared tree to source tree in 
more detail:
1 Receiver joins a group; leaf Router C sends a Join message toward RP.
2 RP puts link to Router C in its outgoing interface list.
3 Source sends data; Router A encapsulates data in Register and sends it to 
RP.
4 RP forwards data down the shared tree to Router C and sends a Join message 
toward Source. At
this point, data may arrive twice at Router C, once encapsulated and once 
natively.
WHY WHY WHY ...it dosent` say why it will arrive nativley.GIT

5 When data arrives natively (unencapsulated) at RP, RP sends a 
Register-Stop message to Router
A.(i can understand that)
6 By default, reception of the first data packet prompts Router C to send a 
Join message toward
Source.
7 When Router C receives data on (S,G),(???) it sends a Prune message 
for Source up the shared tree.
WHY WHY WHY ?

8 RP deletes the link to Router C from outgoing interface of (S,G). RP 
triggers a Prune message
toward Source.
WHY WHY !


AM I MISSING SOMETHING..SORRY IVE BEEN AT IT ALL DAY ...
and my brain now hurts

TIA

steve

S6234


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Re: Subject: PIM shared tree source tree

2001-01-10 Thread Paul Werner

Do you have a link to this whitepaper?  I could probably 
explain all of the information below, but I am curious at to 
what this white paper says in detail, before I attempted to try 
and explain it.

v/r,

Paul Werner


 Subject: PIM shared tree source tree 
 
 this is taken from there white paper
 
 The following process describes the move from shared tree to 
source tree
 in 
 more detail:
 1 Receiver joins a group; leaf Router C sends a Join message 
toward RP.
 2 RP puts link to Router C in its outgoing interface list.
 3 Source sends data; Router A encapsulates data in Register 
and sends it
 to 
 RP.
 4 RP forwards data down the shared tree to Router C and sends 
a Join
 message 
 toward Source. At
 this point, data may arrive twice at Router C, once 
encapsulated and
 once 
 natively.
 WHY WHY WHY ...it dosent` say why it will arrive 
nativley.GIT
 
 5 When data arrives natively (unencapsulated) at RP, RP sends 
a 
 Register-Stop message to Router
 A.(i can understand that)
 6 By default, reception of the first data packet prompts 
Router C to
 send a 
 Join message toward
 Source.
 7 When Router C receives data on (S,G),(???) it sends a 
Prune
 message 
 for Source up the shared tree.
 WHY WHY WHY ?
 
 8 RP deletes the link to Router C from outgoing interface of 
(S,G). RP 
 triggers a Prune message
 toward Source.
 WHY WHY !
 
 
 AM I MISSING SOMETHING..SORRY IVE BEEN AT IT ALL DAY ...
 and my brain now hurts
 
 TIA
 
 steve


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