Re: Another New CCIE Book
I have that book and wasn't very impressed with it. And the CD-ROM questions are a rehash of the printed questions. I know it is too late for us too read a review but this may help someone else. I would only recommend it as an exam cram type book to speed read right before the test. I would not recommend it as a primary study source. I think that if you only use this book you are in for a suprise when you take the test. 0.02$ Duck - Original Message - From: Kevin Wigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Hornbeck, Timothy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 4:40 PM Subject: Re: Another New CCIE Book > Haven't even opened it yet. Just bought based on the QUE name and it has a > CD with 240 questions. > > I allow myself a generous book allowance in my business so I thought I'd > have a look. It was only published in June 2000 so I also thought a newer > book would be interesting what with the new stuff being added to the CCIE > track. > > It is indeed geared to the written (hence the 350-001 in the title). > > I like your comment on strengthening the CCIE cert through the increased > fail rate on the lab. > > Kevin > > - Original Message - > From: "Hornbeck, Timothy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, 03 August, 2000 15:31 > Subject: RE: Another New CCIE Book > > > > I can see the CCIE lab getting tougher. Maybe they are just gearing the > > publication towards the CCIE written? I also think the testing centers > will > > not object, because possibly more tests will be taken due to repeat test > > takers. How can anyone expect to pass the most detailed IT certification > > with only an Exam Cram? I wouldn't feel threatened by this type of > > publication. I think it will only strengthen the certification (increased > > fail rate at the lab). > > > > - Tim Hornbeck > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Kevin Wigle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 2:25 PM > > To: Cisco > > Subject: Another New CCIE Book > > > > > > Th CCIE Exam Cram won't be around for a few weeks I'm told but I found > this > > book on the shelf. > > > > PREP KIT > > CCIE 350-001 > > Routing and Switching > > > > Published by BaerWolf and QUE > > ISBN: 078972359 > > > > It looks like no matter what our thoughts are on things like "CCIE for > > Dummies" etc, the media is waking up to us. > > > > Fortunately, the Lab will always be our protection. > > > > Kevin Wigle > > CCDP/CCNP. > > > > > > ___ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ___ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Another New CCIE Book
I bought the book mostly out of curiosity because of the June 2000 date on it. After flipping through it last night my first impressions aren't very positive. Which I probably should have expected as compared to other books, it's kinda thin - physically. Not the tomes other CCIE books have been. Not that size matters (yeah, right) but there is so much material required for CCIE. Also, I tried a few of the questions and it didn't take long for me find ones I wasn't happy with vis a vis agreeing with their answers - but this only gets you to dive into some other resource to verify that you are right - a learning process either way. On sober second thought I would wait on buying this one until a few members of the list who are book nuts can review it more in depth. Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: "Donald B Johnson Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Kevin Wigle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Hornbeck, Timothy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: August 4, 2000 1:21 PM Subject: Re: Another New CCIE Book > I have that book and wasn't very impressed with it. And the CD-ROM questions > are a rehash of the printed questions. > I know it is too late for us too read a review but this may help someone > else. > I would only recommend it as an exam cram type book to speed read right > before the test. I would not recommend it as a primary study source. > I think that if you only use this book you are in for a suprise when you > take the test. > 0.02$ > Duck > - Original Message - > From: Kevin Wigle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Hornbeck, Timothy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 4:40 PM > Subject: Re: Another New CCIE Book > > > > Haven't even opened it yet. Just bought based on the QUE name and it has > a > > CD with 240 questions. > > > > I allow myself a generous book allowance in my business so I thought I'd > > have a look. It was only published in June 2000 so I also thought a newer > > book would be interesting what with the new stuff being added to the CCIE > > track. > > > > It is indeed geared to the written (hence the 350-001 in the title). > > > > I like your comment on strengthening the CCIE cert through the increased > > fail rate on the lab. > > > > Kevin > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Hornbeck, Timothy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, 03 August, 2000 15:31 > > Subject: RE: Another New CCIE Book > > > > > > > I can see the CCIE lab getting tougher. Maybe they are just gearing the > > > publication towards the CCIE written? I also think the testing centers > > will > > > not object, because possibly more tests will be taken due to repeat test > > > takers. How can anyone expect to pass the most detailed IT > certification > > > with only an Exam Cram? I wouldn't feel threatened by this type of > > > publication. I think it will only strengthen the certification > (increased > > > fail rate at the lab). > > > > > > - Tim Hornbeck > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Kevin Wigle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 2:25 PM > > > To: Cisco > > > Subject: Another New CCIE Book > > > > > > > > > Th CCIE Exam Cram won't be around for a few weeks I'm told but I found > > this > > > book on the shelf. > > > > > > PREP KIT > > > CCIE 350-001 > > > Routing and Switching > > > > > > Published by BaerWolf and QUE > > > ISBN: 078972359 > > > > > > It looks like no matter what our thoughts are on things like "CCIE for > > > Dummies" etc, the media is waking up to us. > > > > > > Fortunately, the Lab will always be our protection. > > > > > > Kevin Wigle > > > CCDP/CCNP. > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > ___ > > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > ___ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Another New CCIE Book
I'm sure that these 'people' can do web searches just fine!!! The fact of the matter is, this list is comprised of people from the same field, with like goals! Asking for recommendations on books that others have already read is an excellent way to decide what material 'people' are going to use to study for the tests!!! If 10 people come back and say a book suckes, it probably did!!! This type of information is one of the most useful parts of a mailing list! -Original Message- From: Tim O'Brien [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 5:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Hubert Pun Subject: Re: Another New CCIE Book You know, I watch these messages day in and day out and it really amazes me that people cannot even do a simple web search on any of the large online booksellers to find a book! (let alone look at the reviews there). I am sorry.. I must be in one of those moods this morning... Here ya go... http://www.ecampus.com/servlets/com.ecampus.site.presentation.servlets.bookD etail.SingleBookServlet?ISBN=078972359X http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/078972359X http://www1.fatbrain.com/asp/bookinfo/bookinfo.asp?theisbn=078972359X http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/bookSearch/isbnInquiry.asp?isbn=078972359X Tim - Original Message - From: "Hubert Pun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Kevin Wigle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Cisco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 3:14 PM Subject: Re: Another New CCIE Book How do you find this book? Worth buying? Kevin Wigle wrote: > Th CCIE Exam Cram won't be around for a few weeks I'm told but I found this > book on the shelf. > > PREP KIT > CCIE 350-001 > Routing and Switching > > Published by BaerWolf and QUE > ISBN: 078972359 > > It looks like no matter what our thoughts are on things like "CCIE for > Dummies" etc, the media is waking up to us. > > Fortunately, the Lab will always be our protection. > > Kevin Wigle > CCDP/CCNP. > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Another New CCIE Book
You know, I watch these messages day in and day out and it really amazes me that people cannot even do a simple web search on any of the large online booksellers to find a book! (let alone look at the reviews there). I am sorry.. I must be in one of those moods this morning... Here ya go... http://www.ecampus.com/servlets/com.ecampus.site.presentation.servlets.bookD etail.SingleBookServlet?ISBN=078972359X http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/078972359X http://www1.fatbrain.com/asp/bookinfo/bookinfo.asp?theisbn=078972359X http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/bookSearch/isbnInquiry.asp?isbn=078972359X Tim - Original Message - From: "Hubert Pun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Kevin Wigle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Cisco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 3:14 PM Subject: Re: Another New CCIE Book How do you find this book? Worth buying? Kevin Wigle wrote: > Th CCIE Exam Cram won't be around for a few weeks I'm told but I found this > book on the shelf. > > PREP KIT > CCIE 350-001 > Routing and Switching > > Published by BaerWolf and QUE > ISBN: 078972359 > > It looks like no matter what our thoughts are on things like "CCIE for > Dummies" etc, the media is waking up to us. > > Fortunately, the Lab will always be our protection. > > Kevin Wigle > CCDP/CCNP. > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Another New CCIE Book
Although there maybe a new book out at the most it will only give people a chance to pass the written exam (BIG DEAL). As the last posts have stated this will only make the lab exam more frightening as the fail rate will shoot up incredibly. IF people reckon they can read this book, pass the written then toddle along to the lab with enough ammo to pass then we are all in for a right laugh! My 2p -Original Message- From: Kevin Wigle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 August 2000 00:40 To: Hornbeck, Timothy; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Another New CCIE Book Haven't even opened it yet. Just bought based on the QUE name and it has a CD with 240 questions. I allow myself a generous book allowance in my business so I thought I'd have a look. It was only published in June 2000 so I also thought a newer book would be interesting what with the new stuff being added to the CCIE track. It is indeed geared to the written (hence the 350-001 in the title). I like your comment on strengthening the CCIE cert through the increased fail rate on the lab. Kevin - Original Message - From: "Hornbeck, Timothy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, 03 August, 2000 15:31 Subject: RE: Another New CCIE Book > I can see the CCIE lab getting tougher. Maybe they are just gearing the > publication towards the CCIE written? I also think the testing centers will > not object, because possibly more tests will be taken due to repeat test > takers. How can anyone expect to pass the most detailed IT certification > with only an Exam Cram? I wouldn't feel threatened by this type of > publication. I think it will only strengthen the certification (increased > fail rate at the lab). > > - Tim Hornbeck > > -Original Message- > From: Kevin Wigle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 2:25 PM > To: Cisco > Subject: Another New CCIE Book > > > Th CCIE Exam Cram won't be around for a few weeks I'm told but I found this > book on the shelf. > > PREP KIT > CCIE 350-001 > Routing and Switching > > Published by BaerWolf and QUE > ISBN: 078972359 > > It looks like no matter what our thoughts are on things like "CCIE for > Dummies" etc, the media is waking up to us. > > Fortunately, the Lab will always be our protection. > > Kevin Wigle > CCDP/CCNP. > > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Another New CCIE Book
Sometimes you have to move the mountain to moses. The cost of real routers is not really that much money. The initial cost versus the experience gained is so high % wise that it's foolish to do any other way (just about). I was on an interview today and the dude said and he was kidding I bet you have a few routers at home ? And I told him yes about 20 odd .. Then I told him why I had 20 and he said that I was one of a very few who he had interviewed that had labs at home.. then he said about VOIP and much to his surprise I told him I had a couple of VOIP boxes but just have not has the time to play with them .. I don't really need this job but I am just keeping my options open in case something else does not pan out. But every job I have even from the help desk days it was my playing with the toys that got me jobs more so than letters and passing exams. Because thats how newbies get the experience by buying the toys and playing with them SEEING how it works and or does not work .. FOR ME that helps me understand it all . like right now playing with Checkpoint and it's cool I can create a real complicated access list debug it then export in to a router cool huh. Kinda make the Cisco was a little arcane but it has helped me understand access lists a heap more. Which mean I just learn that I know very little sigh Oz http://www.mcseco-op.com/helpfull_links.htm Maybe the Lab as I strongly suspect and the contributors here have rightly indicated is the make/break but the simple question is where the devil is Cisco going to find the Networkers to do the job? Where is the hands on going to come and who is going to let a newbie anywhere near an operational router? ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Another New CCIE Book
Title: RE: Another New CCIE Book I will read any book that affords me an insight to CCIE and its siblings. Since I have no exact yardstick to what exactly is on the ball or not I cannot afford to turn the book down. I have the book and I'm using it to go out and find the material I have to read for the written exam. I'm not using it to do the exam and it should not be used that way as far as I can see! Maybe the Lab as I strongly suspect and the contributors here have rightly indicated is the make/break but the simple question is where the devil is Cisco going to find the Networkers to do the job? Where is the hands on going to come and who is going to let a newbie anywhere near an operational router? This is rather like theoretical flying lessons and the actual deed. It takes 35 to 40 hours to go solo. So how long for a new CCNA, a lone router, and do you want to be passenger? As for the CCNA for Dummies having got hold of the book I think if you know it from cover to cover you will pass. You might not know what your talking about but you will pass. Regards Karl - Original Message - From: Dusty Harper To: Kevin Wigle ; Cisco Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 11:13 PM Subject: RE: Another New CCIE Book Just discovered this lil book How to cheat the Cisco Lab by Ima Falyer Chapter One: Hiring someone who knows what they are doing to take it for you Chapter Two: The art of tattooing IOS commands to inconsicous places -Original Message- From: Kevin Wigle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 11:25 AM To: Cisco Subject: Another New CCIE Book Th CCIE Exam Cram won't be around for a few weeks I'm told but I found this book on the shelf. PREP KIT CCIE 350-001 Routing and Switching Published by BaerWolf and QUE ISBN: 078972359 It looks like no matter what our thoughts are on things like "CCIE for Dummies" etc, the media is waking up to us. Fortunately, the Lab will always be our protection. Kevin Wigle CCDP/CCNP. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Another New CCIE Book
Haven't even opened it yet. Just bought based on the QUE name and it has a CD with 240 questions. I allow myself a generous book allowance in my business so I thought I'd have a look. It was only published in June 2000 so I also thought a newer book would be interesting what with the new stuff being added to the CCIE track. It is indeed geared to the written (hence the 350-001 in the title). I like your comment on strengthening the CCIE cert through the increased fail rate on the lab. Kevin - Original Message - From: "Hornbeck, Timothy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, 03 August, 2000 15:31 Subject: RE: Another New CCIE Book > I can see the CCIE lab getting tougher. Maybe they are just gearing the > publication towards the CCIE written? I also think the testing centers will > not object, because possibly more tests will be taken due to repeat test > takers. How can anyone expect to pass the most detailed IT certification > with only an Exam Cram? I wouldn't feel threatened by this type of > publication. I think it will only strengthen the certification (increased > fail rate at the lab). > > - Tim Hornbeck > > -Original Message- > From: Kevin Wigle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 2:25 PM > To: Cisco > Subject: Another New CCIE Book > > > Th CCIE Exam Cram won't be around for a few weeks I'm told but I found this > book on the shelf. > > PREP KIT > CCIE 350-001 > Routing and Switching > > Published by BaerWolf and QUE > ISBN: 078972359 > > It looks like no matter what our thoughts are on things like "CCIE for > Dummies" etc, the media is waking up to us. > > Fortunately, the Lab will always be our protection. > > Kevin Wigle > CCDP/CCNP. > > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Another New CCIE Book
Title: RE: Another New CCIE Book Just discovered this lil book How to cheat the Cisco Lab by Ima Falyer Chapter One: Hiring someone who knows what they are doing to take it for you Chapter Two: The art of tattooing IOS commands to inconsicous places -Original Message- From: Kevin Wigle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 11:25 AM To: Cisco Subject: Another New CCIE Book Th CCIE Exam Cram won't be around for a few weeks I'm told but I found this book on the shelf. PREP KIT CCIE 350-001 Routing and Switching Published by BaerWolf and QUE ISBN: 078972359 It looks like no matter what our thoughts are on things like "CCIE for Dummies" etc, the media is waking up to us. Fortunately, the Lab will always be our protection. Kevin Wigle CCDP/CCNP. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Another New CCIE Book
How do you find this book? Worth buying? Kevin Wigle wrote: > Th CCIE Exam Cram won't be around for a few weeks I'm told but I found this > book on the shelf. > > PREP KIT > CCIE 350-001 > Routing and Switching > > Published by BaerWolf and QUE > ISBN: 078972359 > > It looks like no matter what our thoughts are on things like "CCIE for > Dummies" etc, the media is waking up to us. > > Fortunately, the Lab will always be our protection. > > Kevin Wigle > CCDP/CCNP. > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
