Re: CID help/Sybex Book Review
While the CID test is challenging, it is easily passed if the complete and well presented material is available to learn from. I noticed that Boson responded quickly by revising their tests. Perhaps Sybex will quickly respond with additions and corrections that can be downloaded. In a rapidly changing environment like IT/IS it would seem best to have the ability to be adaptive and informative. Robert's response to my message indicated that I was making a personal critique rather than a review of the book. I am sorry if my communication gives this impression. Again, my reason for advising about the book is to help others in this forum who like me are here to learn from mistakes, share experiences and then build upon them. While this forum isn't perfect, it does an excellent job of convenient cooperative learning. My remarks were not scathing, just factual. As to Robert's request to give a more detailed critique of the book, I am not completely familiar with the Cisco's Non-Disclosure Agreement but would assume that I/we would be violation of the agreement to do a question-by-question comparison of the exam to the material of the book in a public or private forum. Rather, I suggest that Robert re-take the 640-025 exam and then respond with the additions and corrections to the book that could be easily obtained. Outside of that, I am available on a fee basis. ;-) I further suggest to Robert/Sybex that the phrase on outside cover and on page xxix "Everything You Need to Know to Pass the Cisco Internetwork Design Exam" be removed. Considering Robert's qualifying remarks to me, probably supports the need to do this. This was not my experience and evidently not so for others as well. I did find the book easy to read but, lacked the necessary content to pass the 640-025 exam which has been my experience with Sybex books written for Cisco exams. On the hand, I have had positive experiences using Sybex books while pursing my CNE and MSCE certifications. The Sybex book for the Microsoft Exchange 5.5 exam was so well written that I was able to read it in a week and then pass the exam without any other material. Happy Holidays. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] .net... I echo John's comments. While I didn't have the ciscopress book, I did have the official course materials from the CID class I took in 98. However, I took the exam in September 00 so I bought the Sybex book for review. While it did discuss X.25, SNA, the StrataCom Line, the exam asked questions that were simply not in the text. Boson was a little more in depth and the course material provided a little more information for me. But again, there were a few questions that were simply not covered in the three items I used to prepare myself for the exam. Still passed with a slightly lower score than I was achieving on the other Cisco exams. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Huston Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 11:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CID help/Sybex Book Review Caveat Emptor. Quick and dirty review after taking the test. With all due respect to the author(s), I do not recommend the Sybex book mentioned below for use to study the 640-025 test. The book is deficient in the areas of X.25, SNA, Campus Lan Design, Desktop Protocol Design, Wan Design and especially security. I do recommend the Cisco Press book because all of the areas that I was tested over are adequately covered and in greater detail. This is the second Sybex book that I have purchased that is inadequate. I found Sybex is good for Microsoft and Novell but so far it is a batting a zero for Cisco. Additionally, the Boson tests lack in the correct content. Recommendation. Unless you must pass the 640-025 test soon, I would wait until the self study material catches up with the new CID test. Until then make sure that you buy the Cisco Press book *Cisco Internetwork Design* by Matthew Birkner and make you own study questions via the program at www.openwindow.com. The attached links will help you with your studies over SNA. There are probably more and better links but these are the ones that I have found so far. Good Luck, John Huston A+ N+ CNE, MCSE, CCDA, CCNP [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Robert Padjen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Strongly suggest the Sybex CID text, but I'm slightly biased and recommend a recount! ;) Seriously, it covers the material well and I've not received any significant negatives, other than a desire that I had put more mainframe and x.25 into the text. All of the material needed for the exam is present on these topics, and I opted to include DSL and cable modems, along with other newer technologies, as oppose
RE: CID help/Sybex Book Review
I echo John's comments. While I didn't have the ciscopress book, I did have the official course materials from the CID class I took in 98. However, I took the exam in September 00 so I bought the Sybex book for review. While it did discuss X.25, SNA, the StrataCom Line, the exam asked questions that were simply not in the text. Boson was a little more in depth and the course material provided a little more information for me. But again, there were a few questions that were simply not covered in the three items I used to prepare myself for the exam. Still passed with a slightly lower score than I was achieving on the other Cisco exams. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Huston Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 11:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CID help/Sybex Book Review Caveat Emptor. Quick and dirty review after taking the test. With all due respect to the author(s), I do not recommend the Sybex book mentioned below for use to study the 640-025 test. The book is deficient in the areas of X.25, SNA, Campus Lan Design, Desktop Protocol Design, Wan Design and especially security. I do recommend the Cisco Press book because all of the areas that I was tested over are adequately covered and in greater detail. This is the second Sybex book that I have purchased that is inadequate. I found Sybex is good for Microsoft and Novell but so far it is a batting a zero for Cisco. Additionally, the Boson tests lack in the correct content. Recommendation. Unless you must pass the 640-025 test soon, I would wait until the self study material catches up with the new CID test. Until then make sure that you buy the Cisco Press book *Cisco Internetwork Design* by Matthew Birkner and make you own study questions via the program at www.openwindow.com. The attached links will help you with your studies over SNA. There are probably more and better links but these are the ones that I have found so far. Good Luck, John Huston A+ N+ CNE, MCSE, CCDA, CCNP [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Robert Padjen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Strongly suggest the Sybex CID text, but I'm slightly biased and recommend a recount! ;) Seriously, it covers the material well and I've not received any significant negatives, other than a desire that I had put more mainframe and x.25 into the text. All of the material needed for the exam is present on these topics, and I opted to include DSL and cable modems, along with other newer technologies, as opposed to rehashing older ones. Good luck. --- Jeff McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry to reask this I know Ive seen it somewhere What would you say is the best study book for DPs CID test? I usually use examcram and boson to prepare after I have studied other materials...something comperable to the examcram in terms of concise prep would be what Im looking for. Any suggestions? _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Robert Padjen __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CID help/Sybex Book Review
Caveat Emptor. Quick and dirty review after taking the test. With all due respect to the author(s), I do not recommend the Sybex book mentioned below for use to study the 640-025 test. The book is deficient in the areas of X.25, SNA, Campus Lan Design, Desktop Protocol Design, Wan Design and especially security. I do recommend the Cisco Press book because all of the areas that I was tested over are adequately covered and in greater detail. This is the second Sybex book that I have purchased that is inadequate. I found Sybex is good for Microsoft and Novell but so far it is a batting a zero for Cisco. Additionally, the Boson tests lack in the correct content. Recommendation. Unless you must pass the 640-025 test soon, I would wait until the self study material catches up with the new CID test. Until then make sure that you buy the Cisco Press book *Cisco Internetwork Design* by Matthew Birkner and make you own study questions via the program at www.openwindow.com. The attached links will help you with your studies over SNA. There are probably more and better links but these are the ones that I have found so far. Good Luck, John Huston A+ N+ CNE, MCSE, CCDA, CCNP [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Robert Padjen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Strongly suggest the Sybex CID text, but I'm slightly biased and recommend a recount! ;) Seriously, it covers the material well and I've not received any significant negatives, other than a desire that I had put more mainframe and x.25 into the text. All of the material needed for the exam is present on these topics, and I opted to include DSL and cable modems, along with other newer technologies, as opposed to rehashing older ones. Good luck. --- Jeff McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry to reask this I know Ive seen it somewhere What would you say is the best study book for DPs CID test? I usually use examcram and boson to prepare after I have studied other materials...something comperable to the examcram in terms of concise prep would be what Im looking for. Any suggestions? _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Robert Padjen __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] begin 666 IBM Networking.url M6T1%1D%53%1=#0I"05-%55),/6AT=' Z+R]W=WN8VES8V\N8V]M+W5N:79E MF-D+V-C+W1D+V1O8R]PF]D=6-T+W-O9G1W87)E+VEOS$R,2\Q,C%C9V-R M+VEB;5]C+V)C')T,B]I;F1E"YH=T-"EM);G1EFYE=%-H;W)T8W5T70T* M55),/6AT=' Z+R]W=WN8VES8V\N8V]M+W5N:79EF-D+V-C+W1D+V1O8R]P MF]D=6-T+W-O9G1W87)E+VEOS$R,2\Q,C%C9V-R+VEB;5]C+V)C')T,B]I M;F1E"YH=T-"DUO9EF:65D/3(P139$0T0S,3(V-4,P,#%%1 T*26-O;D9I M;4]:'1T#HO+W=W=RYC:7-C;RYC;VTO9F%V:6-O;BYI8V\-"DEC;VY);F1E %#TQ#0H` ` end begin 666 Appendix D- SNA Host Configuration for SDLC Networks.url M6TEN=5R;F5T4VAOG1C=71=#0I54DP]:'1T#HO+W=W=RYC:7-C;RYC;VTO M=6YI=F5R8V0O8V,O=0O9]C+V-IVEN='=K+VED9S0O;F0R,0N:'1M#0I- ;V1I9FEE9#TT,$(S14(R1CDS-C1#,# Q0S4-"@`` ` end begin 666 Cisco - Cisco SNA.url M6T1%1D%53%1=#0I"05-%55),/6AT=' Z+R]W=WN8VES8V\N8V]M+W=AG O M'5B;EC+V-C+W-O+VYEV\O:6)S;R]S;F%?=,N:'1M#0I;26YT97)N9713 M:]R=-U=%T-"E523#UH='1P.B\O=W=W+F-IV-O+F-O;2]W87)P+W!U8FQI M8R]C8R]S;R]N97-O+VEBV\OVYA7W1C+FAT;0T*36]D:69I960],S U,T) .148Y,C8T0S P,44X#0H` ` end begin 666 Cisco - Consolidating SNA and IP in the Enterprise Network.url M6TEN=5R;F5T4VAOG1C=71=#0I54DP]:'1T#HO+W=W=RYC:7-C;RYC;VTO M=V%R"]P=6)L:6,O8V,OV\O;F5S;R]I8G-O+W-N86EP7V)C+FAT;0T*36]D ::69I960]03!#-# T13(Y,C8T0S P,3 Q#0H` ` end begin 666 Cisco - SNA and Quality of Service.url M6TEN=5R;F5T4VAOG1C=71=#0I54DP]:'1T#HO+W=W=RYC:7-C;RYC;VTO M=V%R"]P=6)L:6,O8V,OV\O;F5S;R]I8G-O+W=A;B]S;F%Q;W,O:6YD97@N DVAT;6P-"DUO9EF:65D/3$P,3)%.3V.3,V-$,P,#$S.0T* ` end begin 666 Cisco - SNA Internetworking Over Frame Relay Design Guide.url M6T1%1D%53%1=#0I"05-%55),/6AT=' Z+R]W=WN8VES8V\N8V]M+W=AG O M'5B;EC+V-C+W-O+VYEV\O:6)S;R]W86XOVYA9G)A;64O9G)D9U]D9RYH M=T-"EM);G1EFYE=%-H;W)T8W5T70T*55),/6AT=' Z+R]W=WN8VES8V\N M8V]M+W=AG O'5B;EC+V-C+W-O+VYEV\O:6)S;R]W86XOVYA9G)A;64O J9G)D9U]D9RYH=T-"DUO9EF:65D/38P03=%0S5".3,V-$,P,#$P-@T* ` end begin 666 Configuring SNA Switching Services.url M6T1%1D%53%1=#0I"05-%55),/6AT=' Z+R]W=WN8VES8V\N8V]M+W5N:79E MF-D+V-C+W1D+V1O8R]PF]D=6-T+W-O9G1W87)E+VEOS$R,2\Q,C%C9V-R M+VEB;5]C+V)C')T,B]B8V1S;F%S=RYH=T-"EM);G1EFYE=%-H;W)T8W5T M70T*55),/6AT=' Z+R]W=WN8VES8V\N8V]M+W5N:79EF-D+V-C+W1D+V1O M8R]PF]D=6-T+W-O9G1W87)E+VEOS$R,2\Q,C%C9V-R+VEB;5]C+V)C')T M,B]B8V1S;F%S=RYH=T-"DUO9EF:65D/4$P.3!"04,Q,3(V-4,P,#%%,PT* M26-O;D9I;4]:'1T#HO+W=W=RYC:7-C;RYC;VTO9F%V:6-O;BYI8V\-"DEC
