RE: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18310]
Look I know given enough of a mind you can do anything from books. The real question is what have you got when you do pass it? Not much, the knowledge wont stick, the brain doesn't work that way. Reading a book on driving a car may give you the answers to the test but it wont make you a good driver. Long term memory is action and emotion driven thats why its hard forget that night you finally get a complicated BGP scenario to work on your router lab, or fight though the problems at 2 AM of getting that new RSM to work, and will never ever forget driving an hour in the snow to fix a problem someone else caused on a clients network because they didn't know what they were doing, yeah they thought they could slide by. Is practical experience enough? No you need a lab either at work, home, or with a group cause some things just have to be done to be understood. To be the best is the only exam any of us should be interested in passing. So can you pass the test without a lab? Depends on which test you are really trying to pass. Good luck Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of jap_e Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 7:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124] The answer is Yes, you can be a paper CCNP. I just turned CCNP last week and I have never touched a router before. Have never logged into a router, not used any router simulator software. (Yes I know how a router looked like from the pictures I've seen.) Neither did i cheat by using brain dumps. All the information for passing the exams only came from the 4 Sybex books (routing, switching, support, RA) Not trying to be proud here, but a paper CCNP is possible. Will take my written CCIE soon. As for the lab exam, hmm... we shall see... Cheers, Eve - Original Message - From: Christopher Supino To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 6:02 AM Subject: RE: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124] Consider them rolled. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of B.J. Wilson Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 5:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124] I heard that cert was still in Draft stage. (insert collective eye-roll here.) - Original Message - From: Christopher Supino To: Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 4:06 PM Subject: RE: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124] Nice Chuck. Don't forget to add CFTA(Certified Flush Toilet Administrator), and MCBD(Miller Certified Beer Drinker). :) Chris -Original Message- From: Chuck Larrieu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 3:22 PM To: Christopher Supino; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Christopher Supino Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 12:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124] When did CCIE Written become a certification? I take serious issue with engineers who do this. It only adds to the cheapening of the cert. Pass your lab, get your number, call yourself a CCIE. Til then, you are a CCNP, CCDP. My two cents. CL: about the same time the CCNP 2.0 became a certification. Some people will do anything to make themselves look better Chuck primary school diploma, high school diploma, Universal Life Church minister Costco GoldStar Member, United Mileage Plus member, Calif. State AAA member should I join the NRA and look tough too? ;- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of ahmed adil Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 1:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124] Just cant do it without a router Ahmed CCIE Written CCNP CCDP MCSE Dan Faulk wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Having recently just passed CCNP this year I will say you must have a Router. The reason is that the prescribed rituals must be performed in front of the Router. Without a Router the powerful spirit of routing, BGPOSPF, wont bless your efforts and even if you do pass all knowledge will be removed from you within 2 months. Some have said scrificing your most valuable possesion before the router helps. I give it my time which seemed to work well. Others have given the Router spirit money, bought it accessories, even food but so far time works best. Hope this helps and smile cause TGIF!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf
RE: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18310]
Can't help but to add a different light to this. Although I agree with all that Dan has said, the tone is a growing event on this discussion group. It's natural for long time members of the group to progress in their knowledge and become the contributors rather than the receivers of the good service that the group was created to provide. The friendships and information exchange that come from having grown together is an added benefit to these members but the natural progression should include the nurturing that they all received when they originally joined. I believe we all were pointed to this group when we began our studies for our CCNA and that there are still many that are referred all the time. Surely many of the more established in their careers can remember when they first became interested in the field and were looking for some starting points. And just as surely many of them began their journey with limited equipment availability and only books to turn to, knowing that the certification was a primary step towards access to that equipment. My point isn't that people should move on once that they have achieved their original goals and more, but to always remember that there are many that are just starting their pursuits of a wide range of goals and have been referred to this site by someone who thinks we can help. I should also express my gratitude to the whole range of discussion (beginner to technical gurus) that this group provides. I tune in daily to see what I can learn. You have been a great help in my career. Thank You, very much. Larry Puckette Temple-Inland Network Analyst CCNA, MCP, LANCP ph -512/434-1838 fax-512/434-1861 cell-512/751-8315 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Dan Faulk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 4:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:RE: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18310] Look I know given enough of a mind you can do anything from books. The real question is what have you got when you do pass it? Not much, the knowledge wont stick, the brain doesn't work that way. Reading a book on driving a car may give you the answers to the test but it wont make you a good driver. Long term memory is action and emotion driven thats why its hard forget that night you finally get a complicated BGP scenario to work on your router lab, or fight though the problems at 2 AM of getting that new RSM to work, and will never ever forget driving an hour in the snow to fix a problem someone else caused on a clients network because they didn't know what they were doing, yeah they thought they could slide by. Is practical experience enough? No you need a lab either at work, home, or with a group cause some things just have to be done to be understood. To be the best is the only exam any of us should be interested in passing. So can you pass the test without a lab? Depends on which test you are really trying to pass. Good luck Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of jap_e Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 7:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124] The answer is Yes, you can be a paper CCNP. I just turned CCNP last week and I have never touched a router before. Have never logged into a router, not used any router simulator software. (Yes I know how a router looked like from the pictures I've seen.) Neither did i cheat by using brain dumps. All the information for passing the exams only came from the 4 Sybex books (routing, switching, support, RA) Not trying to be proud here, but a paper CCNP is possible. Will take my written CCIE soon. As for the lab exam, hmm... we shall see... Cheers, Eve - Original Message - From: Christopher Supino To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 6:02 AM Subject: RE: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124] Consider them rolled. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of B.J. Wilson Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 5:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124] I heard that cert was still in Draft stage. (insert collective eye-roll here.) - Original Message - From: Christopher Supino To: Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 4:06 PM Subject: RE: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124] Nice Chuck. Don't forget to add CFTA(Certified Flush Toilet Administrator), and MCBD(Miller Certified Beer Drinker). :) Chris -Original Message- From: Chuck Larrieu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 3:22 PM To: Christopher Supino; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Can you pass CCNP w/o having Cisco gears? [7:18124] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf
