RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638]
Personally? I have two 520's that I got a sweet deal on (EBay). But other than that, what is the functional difference between having two 501's and two of something higher? By that, I mean what is the difference between setting up VPN's to the outside interfaces versus a DMZ? What is the big deal? There's nothing that you can't test yourself on with a pair of 501's that will be that dramatically different with 506's, 515's or whatever The difference would be in the permissions or translations, but as long as you understand that difference, I don't see what the big deal is. Other than playing around for emulating a customers network, I've really never used my DMZ interfaces for lab testing. So if I didn't have them, it wouldn't affect me one way or the other. -Original Message- From: Wes Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? In my own lab a I have a 506. I would like to have another pix with a dmz interface. I am sure pretty sure they will cover pix to pix and dmz in the ccie security. But even on ebay to buy a 520 with three interfaces usually runs over $2k. I have a full lab at home - atm, token ring, isdn, frame - ten routers and three switches. Another $2k to $3k for a pix with three interfaces is beyond my reach. So how do you practice pix to pix and dmz? >From: "Scott Morris" >Reply-To: >To: "'Wes Stevens'" >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:32:24 -0500 > >Somebody's already been selling 'em on EBay. > >And I never said legal action should be brought against anyway... I merely >said it wasn't a bright idea to discuss it in a public forum where Cisco >people were at. > >As for discouraging the program, I hardly think this would do it. You >don't >see people cloning ATM boxes, or VoIP stuff, do ya? So the argument of >this >is a cost-effective marketing tool for the CCIE program hasn't historically >been a problem. > >*shrug* If people want to do it, they'll do it. However, I don't think it >is advisable to discuss it publically, nor sell it. Whether to another >person for "study purposes only" or whatever... Control gets lost after >that. > >And you can get a 501 for the same price, if not less than the 16 meg card >anyway, so what the hell is the point in building your own? It's not the >price-point! > >Scott > >-Original Message- >From: Wes Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:53 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? > > >Scott, > >"use other then intended" > >Maybe, but they sell the board with the code installed. It is intended as >an >upgrade, but I don't think there is any legal clause shipped with it saying >you can use it for no other purpose. Again the original post was a pix for >a >CCIE security lab. I just cannot see Cisco taking legal action there. They >have never been a legally heavy handed company. To take action in that case >would send the wrong message. The CCIE program is one of their best >marketing tools. It puts industry reconized experts in the field with a >diffinite Cisco bias to them. The CCIE Security program is fairly new and I >don't think it would be in their best interest to discourage it in any way. > >Now if someone starts cloning pix's by the dozens and selling them on ebay >that is a whole different story. > > >From: "Scott Morris" > >Reply-To: > >To: "'Wes Stevens'" > >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? > >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:26:33 -0500 > > > >I believe that would be a "use other than intended" > > > >Cisco is a little lax in enforcing software licenses... Lots of people > >resell routers with IOS installed (not supposed to). Lots of people > >download feature sets they don't have licenses for (not supposed to). > > > >There have actually been some cases where Cisco's gone after people > >(typically larger companies). But it's a WHOLE different thing to BUILD >a > >device and put their software on it... If I were to build my own router > >(god only knows why), and put their software on it, I would fully expect >to > >hear from Cisco. > > > >Worse, if I were to sell it on EBay, that's just asking for trouble. And > >before you comment, yes, PIX clones HAVE been sold on Ebay from > >not-so-bright individuals. > > > >Where do you draw the line? Lots of people drive fast. It's still > >illegal. > >If you do it enough, and publically flaunt it, chances are you'll get > >pulled > >over sometime. Go figure. > > > > > >-Original Message- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > >Wes Stevens > >Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:15 AM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? > > > > > >Is this pi
RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638]
Scott, Have you purchased a smartnet contract for your 520's and other routers? By the book the software is not tranferable and your pix's and routers are no more legal then the code in the pix flash card that was bought on ebay. >From: "Scott Morris" >Reply-To: "Scott Morris" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638] >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:58:30 -0500 > >Personally? I have two 520's that I got a sweet deal on (EBay). > >But other than that, what is the functional difference between having two >501's and two of something higher? > >By that, I mean what is the difference between setting up VPN's to the >outside interfaces versus a DMZ? What is the big deal? There's nothing >that you can't test yourself on with a pair of 501's that will be that >dramatically different with 506's, 515's or whatever The difference >would be in the permissions or translations, but as long as you understand >that difference, I don't see what the big deal is. > >Other than playing around for emulating a customers network, I've really >never used my DMZ interfaces for lab testing. So if I didn't have them, it >wouldn't affect me one way or the other. > >-Original Message- >From: Wes Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:56 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? > > >In my own lab a I have a 506. I would like to have another pix with a dmz >interface. I am sure pretty sure they will cover pix to pix and dmz in the >ccie security. But even on ebay to buy a 520 with three interfaces usually >runs over $2k. I have a full lab at home - atm, token ring, isdn, frame - >ten routers and three switches. Another $2k to $3k for a pix with three >interfaces is beyond my reach. > >So how do you practice pix to pix and dmz? > > >From: "Scott Morris" > >Reply-To: > >To: "'Wes Stevens'" > >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? > >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:32:24 -0500 > > > >Somebody's already been selling 'em on EBay. > > > >And I never said legal action should be brought against anyway... I >merely > >said it wasn't a bright idea to discuss it in a public forum where Cisco > >people were at. > > > >As for discouraging the program, I hardly think this would do it. You > >don't > >see people cloning ATM boxes, or VoIP stuff, do ya? So the argument of > >this > >is a cost-effective marketing tool for the CCIE program hasn't >historically > >been a problem. > > > >*shrug* If people want to do it, they'll do it. However, I don't think >it > >is advisable to discuss it publically, nor sell it. Whether to another > >person for "study purposes only" or whatever... Control gets lost after > >that. > > > >And you can get a 501 for the same price, if not less than the 16 meg >card > >anyway, so what the hell is the point in building your own? It's not the > >price-point! > > > >Scott > > > >-Original Message- > >From: Wes Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:53 AM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? > > > > > >Scott, > > > >"use other then intended" > > > >Maybe, but they sell the board with the code installed. It is intended as > >an > >upgrade, but I don't think there is any legal clause shipped with it >saying > >you can use it for no other purpose. Again the original post was a pix >for > >a > >CCIE security lab. I just cannot see Cisco taking legal action there. >They > >have never been a legally heavy handed company. To take action in that >case > >would send the wrong message. The CCIE program is one of their best > >marketing tools. It puts industry reconized experts in the field with a > >diffinite Cisco bias to them. The CCIE Security program is fairly new and >I > >don't think it would be in their best interest to discourage it in any >way. > > > >Now if someone starts cloning pix's by the dozens and selling them on >ebay > >that is a whole different story. > > > > >From: "Scott Morris" > > >Reply-To: > > >To: "'Wes Stevens'" > > >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clon
RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638]
setting up vpn's is nothign like having a dmz... Having multiport firewalls allows for segregation of all networks behind those interfaces while still allowing internet connectivity to all. Who wants to connect to a vpn just to browse to a web server that could be in the dmz? -Patrick >>> "Scott Morris" 02/27/02 09:58AM >>> Personally? I have two 520's that I got a sweet deal on (EBay). But other than that, what is the functional difference between having two 501's and two of something higher? By that, I mean what is the difference between setting up VPN's to the outside interfaces versus a DMZ? What is the big deal? There's nothing that you can't test yourself on with a pair of 501's that will be that dramatically different with 506's, 515's or whatever The difference would be in the permissions or translations, but as long as you understand that difference, I don't see what the big deal is. Other than playing around for emulating a customers network, I've really never used my DMZ interfaces for lab testing. So if I didn't have them, it wouldn't affect me one way or the other. -Original Message- From: Wes Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? In my own lab a I have a 506. I would like to have another pix with a dmz interface. I am sure pretty sure they will cover pix to pix and dmz in the ccie security. But even on ebay to buy a 520 with three interfaces usually runs over $2k. I have a full lab at home - atm, token ring, isdn, frame - ten routers and three switches. Another $2k to $3k for a pix with three interfaces is beyond my reach. So how do you practice pix to pix and dmz? >From: "Scott Morris" >Reply-To: >To: "'Wes Stevens'" >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:32:24 -0500 > >Somebody's already been selling 'em on EBay. > >And I never said legal action should be brought against anyway... I merely >said it wasn't a bright idea to discuss it in a public forum where Cisco >people were at. > >As for discouraging the program, I hardly think this would do it. You >don't >see people cloning ATM boxes, or VoIP stuff, do ya? So the argument of >this >is a cost-effective marketing tool for the CCIE program hasn't historically >been a problem. > >*shrug* If people want to do it, they'll do it. However, I don't think it >is advisable to discuss it publically, nor sell it. Whether to another >person for "study purposes only" or whatever... Control gets lost after >that. > >And you can get a 501 for the same price, if not less than the 16 meg card >anyway, so what the hell is the point in building your own? It's not the >price-point! > >Scott > >-Original Message- >From: Wes Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:53 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? > > >Scott, > >"use other then intended" > >Maybe, but they sell the board with the code installed. It is intended as >an >upgrade, but I don't think there is any legal clause shipped with it saying >you can use it for no other purpose. Again the original post was a pix for >a >CCIE security lab. I just cannot see Cisco taking legal action there. They >have never been a legally heavy handed company. To take action in that case >would send the wrong message. The CCIE program is one of their best >marketing tools. It puts industry reconized experts in the field with a >diffinite Cisco bias to them. The CCIE Security program is fairly new and I >don't think it would be in their best interest to discourage it in any way. > >Now if someone starts cloning pix's by the dozens and selling them on ebay >that is a whole different story. > > >From: "Scott Morris" > >Reply-To: > >To: "'Wes Stevens'" > >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? > >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:26:33 -0500 > > > >I believe that would be a "use other than intended" > > > >Cisco is a little lax in enforcing software licenses... Lots of people > >resell routers with IOS installed (not supposed to). Lots of people > >download feature sets they don't have licenses for (not supposed to). > > > >There have actually been some cases where Cisco's gone after people > >(typically larger companies). But it's a WHOLE different thing to BUILD >a > >device and put their software on it... If I were to build my own router > >(god only knows why), and put their software on it, I would fully expect >to > >hear from Cisco. > > > >Worse, if I were to sell it on EBay, that's just asking for trouble. And > >before you comment, yes, PIX clones HAVE been sold on Ebay from > >not-so-bright individuals. > > > >Where do you draw the line? Lots of people drive fast. It's still > >illegal. > >If you do it enough, and publically flaunt it, chances are you'll get > >
RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638]
No we were talking about the legality of using the pix flash board in a pc in a home lab. Cisco cannot tell me what to do with the hardware I purchase. As far as the software in the flash if it is bought on ebay it is not legal to use it. But my point is that is the same on any software in flash on any used Cisco device. If the flash card is bought new through Cisco or a distributor it is not clear that using it in a non Cisco pix is illegal. As for the person selling the homemade pix on ebay he also is doing nothing illegal as long as all he is selling is hardware. Just as with any Cisco used device it is the responsibility of the buyer to make the software that will be used on the device legal. >From: "Scott Morris" >Reply-To: >To: "'Wes Stevens'" >CC: >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638] >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:24:20 -0500 > >That was STILL not the conversation we were having... > >It doesn't have to do with purchasing a router or a firewall and being >technically licensed to use the code or not... > >It has to do with purchasing a small PIECE of the router or firewall, using >it to build something NEW that most definitely is NOT a Cisco box, and then >either talking about it publically and/or selling it. THAT is the >conversation we were having. > >I don't think anyone cares that someone has a bunch of Mercedes hood >ornaments at their home. If they go out and purchase a cheap car and stick >the Mercedes hood ornament on it, some people may think it's funny, others >not. If the person then tried to tell everyone about their new Mercedes or >worse yet, tried to SELL their Mercedes THAT is a problem. > >Anyway... Enough bantering on this and going nowhere... I have work to >do. > >-Original Message- >From: Wes Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:48 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638] > > >Scott, > >I am not trying to have this "degrade into personal territory ", truly not >my intent. > >If you have purchased smartnet for your equipment I applaud that. I can >tell >you for sure that were I work that is also true. But for my home lab which >was all purchased from ebay I have not. I would venture to say that the >majority of home labs have not purchased smartnet contracts. Many people >seem to feel that it is un ethical to use code in a pix board purchased on >ebay but do not have the same problem with the code that comes in flash on >router or switches purchased on ebay. To me they are the same thing. > > > >From: "Scott Morris" > >Reply-To: > >To: "'Wes Stevens'" > >CC: > >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638] > >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:37:47 -0500 > > > >If it's any consolation, yes. And also upgraded one of them after >purchase > >(2meg to 16meg). > > > >That, however, is not the conversation > > > >So apparantly we have no degraded into personal territory instead of a > >vaguely educational conversation. So, go do what you want, because my > >opinion isn't going to change yours anyway. > > > >Just remember that speeders get pulled over every once and a while... >And > >people honk and wave and laugh as they pass you just like you passed them > >earlier. *shrug* > > > >Scott > > > >-Original Message- > >From: Wes Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:25 AM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638] > > > > > >Scott, > > > >Have you purchased a smartnet contract for your 520's and other routers? >By > >the book the software is not tranferable and your pix's and routers are >no > >more legal then the code in the pix flash card that was bought on ebay. > > > > > > >From: "Scott Morris" > > >Reply-To: "Scott Morris" > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638] > > >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:58:30 -0500 > > > > > >Personally? I have two 520's that I got a sweet deal on (EBay). > > > > > >But other than that, what is the functional difference between having >two > > >501's and two of something higher? > > > > > >By that, I mean what is the differe
RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638]
Correct. but the discussion we were having was regarding particular firewalls over another specifically for the purpose of studying for the CCIE Security test. Therefore nothing like "real life". :) For a real network, you are absolutely 100% correct! Scott -Original Message- From: Patrick Ramsey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638] setting up vpn's is nothign like having a dmz... Having multiport firewalls allows for segregation of all networks behind those interfaces while still allowing internet connectivity to all. Who wants to connect to a vpn just to browse to a web server that could be in the dmz? -Patrick >>> "Scott Morris" 02/27/02 09:58AM >>> Personally? I have two 520's that I got a sweet deal on (EBay). But other than that, what is the functional difference between having two 501's and two of something higher? By that, I mean what is the difference between setting up VPN's to the outside interfaces versus a DMZ? What is the big deal? There's nothing that you can't test yourself on with a pair of 501's that will be that dramatically different with 506's, 515's or whatever The difference would be in the permissions or translations, but as long as you understand that difference, I don't see what the big deal is. Other than playing around for emulating a customers network, I've really never used my DMZ interfaces for lab testing. So if I didn't have them, it wouldn't affect me one way or the other. -Original Message- From: Wes Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? In my own lab a I have a 506. I would like to have another pix with a dmz interface. I am sure pretty sure they will cover pix to pix and dmz in the ccie security. But even on ebay to buy a 520 with three interfaces usually runs over $2k. I have a full lab at home - atm, token ring, isdn, frame - ten routers and three switches. Another $2k to $3k for a pix with three interfaces is beyond my reach. So how do you practice pix to pix and dmz? >From: "Scott Morris" >Reply-To: >To: "'Wes Stevens'" >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:32:24 -0500 > >Somebody's already been selling 'em on EBay. > >And I never said legal action should be brought against anyway... I merely >said it wasn't a bright idea to discuss it in a public forum where Cisco >people were at. > >As for discouraging the program, I hardly think this would do it. You >don't >see people cloning ATM boxes, or VoIP stuff, do ya? So the argument of >this >is a cost-effective marketing tool for the CCIE program hasn't historically >been a problem. > >*shrug* If people want to do it, they'll do it. However, I don't think it >is advisable to discuss it publically, nor sell it. Whether to another >person for "study purposes only" or whatever... Control gets lost after >that. > >And you can get a 501 for the same price, if not less than the 16 meg card >anyway, so what the hell is the point in building your own? It's not the >price-point! > >Scott > >-Original Message- >From: Wes Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:53 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? > > >Scott, > >"use other then intended" > >Maybe, but they sell the board with the code installed. It is intended as >an >upgrade, but I don't think there is any legal clause shipped with it saying >you can use it for no other purpose. Again the original post was a pix for >a >CCIE security lab. I just cannot see Cisco taking legal action there. They >have never been a legally heavy handed company. To take action in that case >would send the wrong message. The CCIE program is one of their best >marketing tools. It puts industry reconized experts in the field with a >diffinite Cisco bias to them. The CCIE Security program is fairly new and I >don't think it would be in their best interest to discourage it in any way. > >Now if someone starts cloning pix's by the dozens and selling them on ebay >that is a whole different story. > > >From: "Scott Morris" > >Reply-To: > >To: "'Wes Stevens'" > >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? > >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:26:33 -0500 > > > >I believe
RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638]
If it's any consolation, yes. And also upgraded one of them after purchase (2meg to 16meg). That, however, is not the conversation So apparantly we have no degraded into personal territory instead of a vaguely educational conversation. So, go do what you want, because my opinion isn't going to change yours anyway. Just remember that speeders get pulled over every once and a while... And people honk and wave and laugh as they pass you just like you passed them earlier. *shrug* Scott -Original Message- From: Wes Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638] Scott, Have you purchased a smartnet contract for your 520's and other routers? By the book the software is not tranferable and your pix's and routers are no more legal then the code in the pix flash card that was bought on ebay. >From: "Scott Morris" >Reply-To: "Scott Morris" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638] >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:58:30 -0500 > >Personally? I have two 520's that I got a sweet deal on (EBay). > >But other than that, what is the functional difference between having two >501's and two of something higher? > >By that, I mean what is the difference between setting up VPN's to the >outside interfaces versus a DMZ? What is the big deal? There's nothing >that you can't test yourself on with a pair of 501's that will be that >dramatically different with 506's, 515's or whatever The difference >would be in the permissions or translations, but as long as you understand >that difference, I don't see what the big deal is. > >Other than playing around for emulating a customers network, I've really >never used my DMZ interfaces for lab testing. So if I didn't have them, it >wouldn't affect me one way or the other. > >-Original Message- >From: Wes Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:56 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? > > >In my own lab a I have a 506. I would like to have another pix with a dmz >interface. I am sure pretty sure they will cover pix to pix and dmz in the >ccie security. But even on ebay to buy a 520 with three interfaces usually >runs over $2k. I have a full lab at home - atm, token ring, isdn, frame - >ten routers and three switches. Another $2k to $3k for a pix with three >interfaces is beyond my reach. > >So how do you practice pix to pix and dmz? > > >From: "Scott Morris" > >Reply-To: > >To: "'Wes Stevens'" > >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? > >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:32:24 -0500 > > > >Somebody's already been selling 'em on EBay. > > > >And I never said legal action should be brought against anyway... I >merely > >said it wasn't a bright idea to discuss it in a public forum where Cisco > >people were at. > > > >As for discouraging the program, I hardly think this would do it. You > >don't > >see people cloning ATM boxes, or VoIP stuff, do ya? So the argument of > >this > >is a cost-effective marketing tool for the CCIE program hasn't >historically > >been a problem. > > > >*shrug* If people want to do it, they'll do it. However, I don't think >it > >is advisable to discuss it publically, nor sell it. Whether to another > >person for "study purposes only" or whatever... Control gets lost after > >that. > > > >And you can get a 501 for the same price, if not less than the 16 meg >card > >anyway, so what the hell is the point in building your own? It's not the > >price-point! > > > >Scott > > > >-Original Message- > >From: Wes Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:53 AM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? > > > > > >Scott, > > > >"use other then intended" > > > >Maybe, but they sell the board with the code installed. It is intended as > >an > >upgrade, but I don't think there is any legal clause shipped with it >saying > >you can use it for no other purpose. Again the original post was a pix >for > >a > >CCIE security lab. I just cannot see Cisco taking legal action there. >They > >have never been a legally heavy handed compa
RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638]
That was STILL not the conversation we were having... It doesn't have to do with purchasing a router or a firewall and being technically licensed to use the code or not... It has to do with purchasing a small PIECE of the router or firewall, using it to build something NEW that most definitely is NOT a Cisco box, and then either talking about it publically and/or selling it. THAT is the conversation we were having. I don't think anyone cares that someone has a bunch of Mercedes hood ornaments at their home. If they go out and purchase a cheap car and stick the Mercedes hood ornament on it, some people may think it's funny, others not. If the person then tried to tell everyone about their new Mercedes or worse yet, tried to SELL their Mercedes THAT is a problem. Anyway... Enough bantering on this and going nowhere... I have work to do. -Original Message- From: Wes Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638] Scott, I am not trying to have this "degrade into personal territory ", truly not my intent. If you have purchased smartnet for your equipment I applaud that. I can tell you for sure that were I work that is also true. But for my home lab which was all purchased from ebay I have not. I would venture to say that the majority of home labs have not purchased smartnet contracts. Many people seem to feel that it is un ethical to use code in a pix board purchased on ebay but do not have the same problem with the code that comes in flash on router or switches purchased on ebay. To me they are the same thing. >From: "Scott Morris" >Reply-To: >To: "'Wes Stevens'" >CC: >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638] >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:37:47 -0500 > >If it's any consolation, yes. And also upgraded one of them after purchase >(2meg to 16meg). > >That, however, is not the conversation > >So apparantly we have no degraded into personal territory instead of a >vaguely educational conversation. So, go do what you want, because my >opinion isn't going to change yours anyway. > >Just remember that speeders get pulled over every once and a while... And >people honk and wave and laugh as they pass you just like you passed them >earlier. *shrug* > >Scott > >-Original Message- >From: Wes Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:25 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638] > > >Scott, > >Have you purchased a smartnet contract for your 520's and other routers? By >the book the software is not tranferable and your pix's and routers are no >more legal then the code in the pix flash card that was bought on ebay. > > > >From: "Scott Morris" > >Reply-To: "Scott Morris" > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638] > >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:58:30 -0500 > > > >Personally? I have two 520's that I got a sweet deal on (EBay). > > > >But other than that, what is the functional difference between having two > >501's and two of something higher? > > > >By that, I mean what is the difference between setting up VPN's to the > >outside interfaces versus a DMZ? What is the big deal? There's nothing > >that you can't test yourself on with a pair of 501's that will be that > >dramatically different with 506's, 515's or whatever The difference > >would be in the permissions or translations, but as long as you >understand > >that difference, I don't see what the big deal is. > > > >Other than playing around for emulating a customers network, I've really > >never used my DMZ interfaces for lab testing. So if I didn't have them, >it > >wouldn't affect me one way or the other. > > > >-Original Message- > >From: Wes Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:56 AM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? > > > > > >In my own lab a I have a 506. I would like to have another pix with a dmz > >interface. I am sure pretty sure they will cover pix to pix and dmz in >the > >ccie security. But even on ebay to buy a 520 with three interfaces >usually > >runs over $2k. I have a full lab at home - atm, token ring, isdn, frame - > >ten routers and three switches. Another
RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638]
Scott, I am not trying to have this "degrade into personal territory ", truly not my intent. If you have purchased smartnet for your equipment I applaud that. I can tell you for sure that were I work that is also true. But for my home lab which was all purchased from ebay I have not. I would venture to say that the majority of home labs have not purchased smartnet contracts. Many people seem to feel that it is un ethical to use code in a pix board purchased on ebay but do not have the same problem with the code that comes in flash on router or switches purchased on ebay. To me they are the same thing. >From: "Scott Morris" >Reply-To: >To: "'Wes Stevens'" >CC: >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638] >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:37:47 -0500 > >If it's any consolation, yes. And also upgraded one of them after purchase >(2meg to 16meg). > >That, however, is not the conversation > >So apparantly we have no degraded into personal territory instead of a >vaguely educational conversation. So, go do what you want, because my >opinion isn't going to change yours anyway. > >Just remember that speeders get pulled over every once and a while... And >people honk and wave and laugh as they pass you just like you passed them >earlier. *shrug* > >Scott > >-Original Message- >From: Wes Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:25 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638] > > >Scott, > >Have you purchased a smartnet contract for your 520's and other routers? By >the book the software is not tranferable and your pix's and routers are no >more legal then the code in the pix flash card that was bought on ebay. > > > >From: "Scott Morris" > >Reply-To: "Scott Morris" > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix [7:36638] > >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:58:30 -0500 > > > >Personally? I have two 520's that I got a sweet deal on (EBay). > > > >But other than that, what is the functional difference between having two > >501's and two of something higher? > > > >By that, I mean what is the difference between setting up VPN's to the > >outside interfaces versus a DMZ? What is the big deal? There's nothing > >that you can't test yourself on with a pair of 501's that will be that > >dramatically different with 506's, 515's or whatever The difference > >would be in the permissions or translations, but as long as you >understand > >that difference, I don't see what the big deal is. > > > >Other than playing around for emulating a customers network, I've really > >never used my DMZ interfaces for lab testing. So if I didn't have them, >it > >wouldn't affect me one way or the other. > > > >-Original Message- > >From: Wes Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:56 AM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? > > > > > >In my own lab a I have a 506. I would like to have another pix with a dmz > >interface. I am sure pretty sure they will cover pix to pix and dmz in >the > >ccie security. But even on ebay to buy a 520 with three interfaces >usually > >runs over $2k. I have a full lab at home - atm, token ring, isdn, frame - > >ten routers and three switches. Another $2k to $3k for a pix with three > >interfaces is beyond my reach. > > > >So how do you practice pix to pix and dmz? > > > > >From: "Scott Morris" > > >Reply-To: > > >To: "'Wes Stevens'" > > >Subject: RE: How to get the activation key for my clone Pix? > > >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:32:24 -0500 > > > > > >Somebody's already been selling 'em on EBay. > > > > > >And I never said legal action should be brought against anyway... I > >merely > > >said it wasn't a bright idea to discuss it in a public forum where >Cisco > > >people were at. > > > > > >As for discouraging the program, I hardly think this would do it. You > > >don't > > >see people cloning ATM boxes, or VoIP stuff, do ya? So the argument of > > >this > > >is a cost-effective marketing tool for the CCIE program hasn't > >historically > > >been a problem. > > >
