RE: Its not fair! [7:47868]

2002-07-01 Thread Dan Penn

Welcome to the world of the network academy...

There are instances when it would be good to have both enable and enable
secret set.

Dan

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Morgan Hansen
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WOW! Im getting this form everyone now it seams;
 
Enable secret works over enable password.   So if you
have an enable secret you do not need an enable
password.
 
 
And if this is correct, then ok, cool, im fine with it, no problem and
thanx allot guys!
 
What I DO have problems with though is paying allot of $$$ to some
"school" here in Noway where I live, joining the CNAP program, studying
the Curriculum day in day out, being told a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING
by my CCNA/CNAP teachers (Not mentioning Cisco and their Curriculum!)
and because of l this maybe failing my CCNA exam because of a
misseducated mind! It's not fair!
 
I mean. Come on?? Im sorry, but im really frustrated right now and I
hope you can understand that :-(
I mean, ok?? So weve used a Curriculum a little old, or at least older
than what you need to be reading to pass the 640-607 exam, BUT:
Wouldn't you agree, that it would be nice if Cisco could have sent us
updates on important things like this here during our CNAP program?!
If not, at least made sure our teachers knew about updates like this
knowing they where gonna be asking us these questions on our exams :-(
 
Nah, its not fair, its just not fair! (sad)
 
Morgan
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Re: Its not fair! [7:47868]

2002-07-01 Thread Gaz

Just in case you're under the impression that these changes have been
brought in some time during your classes and it's Cisco's fault for not
telling you:

Unless you've been studying for at least 4 or 5 years (or thereabouts), then
nothing has changed. It's been this way for a long time.
Make sure you have not misunderstood your teachers though before you shove
it down their necks.


Gaz



""Morgan Hansen""  wrote in message
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> WOW! Im getting this form everyone now it seams;
>
> Enable secret works over enable password.   So if you
> have an enable secret you do not need an enable
> password.
>
>
> And if this is correct, then ok, cool, im fine with it, no problem and
> thanx allot guys!
>
> What I DO have problems with though is paying allot of $$$ to some
> "school" here in Noway where I live, joining the CNAP program, studying
> the Curriculum day in day out, being told a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING
> by my CCNA/CNAP teachers (Not mentioning Cisco and their Curriculum!)
> and because of l this maybe failing my CCNA exam because of a
> misseducated mind! It's not fair!
>
> I mean. Come on?? Im sorry, but im really frustrated right now and I
> hope you can understand that :-(
> I mean, ok?? So weve used a Curriculum a little old, or at least older
> than what you need to be reading to pass the 640-607 exam, BUT:
> Wouldn't you agree, that it would be nice if Cisco could have sent us
> updates on important things like this here during our CNAP program?!
> If not, at least made sure our teachers knew about updates like this
> knowing they where gonna be asking us these questions on our exams :-(
>
> Nah, its not fair, its just not fair! (sad)
>
> Morgan
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]




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Re: Its not fair! [7:47868]

2002-07-01 Thread Tom Lisa

Morgan,

I have been associated with the Cisco Networking Academy since
Version 1 of the curriculum (it has undergone numerous revisions over the
last four years).  In all that time, it has always properly explained the
difference between the ENABLE PASSWORD command and the
ENABLE SECRET command.  I would have to ask, "Is your curriculum
being translated into your native language?"  If this is so, and you are
correctly understanding what your intructors are telling you, then I suspect
the problem is with the translation of the curriculum, not the original
curriculum.

I would address this problem to your Regional CNAP director.

Prof. Tom Lisa, CCAI
Community College of Southern Nevada
Cisco ATC/Regional Networking Academy


Morgan Hansen wrote:

> WOW! Im getting this form everyone now it seams;
>
> Enable secret works over enable password.   So if you
> have an enable secret you do not need an enable
> password.
>
>
> And if this is correct, then ok, cool, im fine with it, no problem and
> thanx allot guys!
>
> What I DO have problems with though is paying allot of $$$ to some
> "school" here in Noway where I live, joining the CNAP program, studying
> the Curriculum day in day out, being told a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING
> by my CCNA/CNAP teachers (Not mentioning Cisco and their Curriculum!)
> and because of l this maybe failing my CCNA exam because of a
> misseducated mind! It's not fair!
>
> I mean. Come on?? Im sorry, but im really frustrated right now and I
> hope you can understand that :-(
> I mean, ok?? So weve used a Curriculum a little old, or at least older
> than what you need to be reading to pass the 640-607 exam, BUT:
> Wouldn't you agree, that it would be nice if Cisco could have sent us
> updates on important things like this here during our CNAP program?!
> If not, at least made sure our teachers knew about updates like this
> knowing they where gonna be asking us these questions on our exams :-(
>
> Nah, its not fair, its just not fair! (sad)
>
> Morgan
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]




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RE: Its not fair! [7:47868]

2002-07-01 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer

>Morgan Hansen
>Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 1:15 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Its not fair! [7:47868]
>
>WOW! Im getting this form everyone now it seams;
>
>Enable secret works over enable password.   So if you
>have an enable secret you do not need an enable
>password.

It's a good idea to have both. If someone downloaded an older version of 
the IOS, the older version wouldn't recognize the newer "enable secret" 
command. This would leave your router without an enable password. So, you 
should do both.

As everyone has pointed out, the enable password is not the same as the 
passwords that let you in via console or Telnet.

The Cisco Networking Academy course materials are generally very good. I 
doubt they got this wrong. I can belive that your instructor made the 
mistake. But did the course materials?

You will find quite a bit of misinformation about Cisco configuration, 
concepts, design, etc. There are numerous mistakes in books, course 
materials, online materials, etc. We all deal with this frustration on a 
daily basis. However, most information that comes directly from Cisco (not 
all of course! ;-) is generally accurate.

Good luck with your studies. Don't get too frustrated. The CCNA exam is 
quite easy. You'll do OK, I bet.

Priscilla

>
>
>And if this is correct, then ok, cool, im fine with it, no problem and
>thanx allot guys!
>
>What I DO have problems with though is paying allot of $$$ to some
>"school" here in Noway where I live, joining the CNAP program, studying
>the Curriculum day in day out, being told a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING
>by my CCNA/CNAP teachers (Not mentioning Cisco and their Curriculum!)
>and because of l this maybe failing my CCNA exam because of a
>misseducated mind! It's not fair!
>
>I mean. Come on?? Im sorry, but im really frustrated right now and I
>hope you can understand that :-(
>I mean, ok?? So weve used a Curriculum a little old, or at least older
>than what you need to be reading to pass the 640-607 exam, BUT:
>Wouldn't you agree, that it would be nice if Cisco could have sent us
>updates on important things like this here during our CNAP program?!
>If not, at least made sure our teachers knew about updates like this
>knowing they where gonna be asking us these questions on our exams :-(
>
>Nah, its not fair, its just not fair! (sad)
>
>Morgan




Priscilla Oppenheimer
http://www.priscilla.com




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