RE: Network Management Program (which???)
Mark Z, You're in a situation that a lot of router techs run into. What's Up Gold sucks and HPOV is to expensive. There really isn't any middle ground that I'm aware of. I've seen some "homegrown" solutions that people have developed, but no one has really come to the table to compete with HP in the middle sized network arena. I wish they would. Many companies in your situation are going with outsourced Network Management. I don't suggest this unless you really trust the company that you're trusting your network to, and you have a water-tight contract with them. I use multiple intallations of HPOV, some with NavisCore (CascadeView), and some with CiscoView/CiscoWorks. I also use evaluation versions of OV to exercise SNMP agents on new devices. It has the most bang for the time it takes to congirue it, when you're trying to document the SNMP traps that a specific agent produces. Companies my size need something even bigger than OV, like NetCool (Cisco InfoCenter) to manage their many management systems. We use Evidian OpenMaster. Its not my favorite, but it has a nice interface for managing Nortel DMS500 Class 5 switches. I recommend NetCool for a manager of managers. Its by far the most flexible MoM out there. Let me know if I can provide any more info... Good luck, Timothy Estes CCNA Senior Network Systems Analyst Tier III Systems Support Intermedia Communications Inc. 1 Intermedia Way MC FLT TE-2 Tampa FL 33674 Email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 9:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Network Management Program (which???) Hey Group, Need some help on this one. I just came on as a contractor for this company. The network is somewhat small. They have around 186 routers worldwide and around 22 switches that they have to worry about. So all in all, there are around 200 managed devices for us to take care of. Currently they are using some program called "What's Up Gold". Personally, I hate this thing. It's not secure, the features are minimal, and I hate web based stuff. They have it set up on one machine and everyone access's it from the web to it's IP. The manager has expresed some interest in other methods but it will be hard to move him away from what there is now after he gets back in a week from a business trip. I would like to present a proposal on a new management system. My problem is that I have only worked in Openview before. I think Openview is awesome and gives you all the features you need and more. For this site though, I think it would be too much. I just don't think it's really needed for the size of this network and the management/configuration of it would overseed the network management itself. Basically, I'm asking what you guru's out there think I should present to use. Should it be CiscoWorks2000, Openview, or stay with What's Up Gold? I really appreciate the help and thanks for putting up with the long post. Thanks all, Mark Z... _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Network Management Program (which???)
Check out the product at intermapper.com This inexpensive product only runs on macOS but does a lot more than $100K+ solutions available in the market. Good Luck ak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Group, Need some help on this one. I just came on as a contractor for this company. The network is somewhat small. They have around 186 routers worldwide and around 22 switches that they have to worry about. So all in all, there are around 200 managed devices for us to take care of. Currently they are using some program called "What's Up Gold". Personally, I hate this thing. It's not secure, the features are minimal, and I hate web based stuff. They have it set up on one machine and everyone access's it from the web to it's IP. The manager has expresed some interest in other methods but it will be hard to move him away from what there is now after he gets back in a week from a business trip. I would like to present a proposal on a new management system. My problem is that I have only worked in Openview before. I think Openview is awesome and gives you all the features you need and more. For this site though, I think it would be too much. I just don't think it's really needed for the size of this network and the management/configuration of it would overseed the network management itself. Basically, I'm asking what you guru's out there think I should present to use. Should it be CiscoWorks2000, Openview, or stay with What's Up Gold? I really appreciate the help and thanks for putting up with the long post. Thanks all, Mark Z... _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Network Management Program (which???)
I agree on both the Openview (being too big/complex) and What's Up for being cheesy. We moved to Intermapper for a lot of the stuff we monitor. The only problem is that it runs only on the Mac but it has some great features. Does SNMP and high level protocol probing. It's not perfect and if anyone has more suggestions, please let us know! ... Jonn Martell, UBC On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Estes, Timothy R. wrote: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:22:58 -0500 From: "Estes, Timothy R." [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Network Management Program (which???) Mark Z, You're in a situation that a lot of router techs run into. What's Up Gold sucks and HPOV is to expensive. There really isn't any middle ground that I'm aware of. I've seen some "homegrown" solutions that people have developed, but no one has really come to the table to compete with HP in the middle sized network arena. I wish they would. Many companies in your situation are going with outsourced Network Management. I don't suggest this unless you really trust the company that you're trusting your network to, and you have a water-tight contract with them. I use multiple intallations of HPOV, some with NavisCore (CascadeView), and some with CiscoView/CiscoWorks. I also use evaluation versions of OV to exercise SNMP agents on new devices. It has the most bang for the time it takes to congirue it, when you're trying to document the SNMP traps that a specific agent produces. Companies my size need something even bigger than OV, like NetCool (Cisco InfoCenter) to manage their many management systems. We use Evidian OpenMaster. Its not my favorite, but it has a nice interface for managing Nortel DMS500 Class 5 switches. I recommend NetCool for a manager of managers. Its by far the most flexible MoM out there. Let me know if I can provide any more info... Good luck, Timothy Estes CCNA Senior Network Systems Analyst Tier III Systems Support Intermedia Communications Inc. 1 Intermedia Way MC FLT TE-2 Tampa FL 33674 Email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 9:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Network Management Program (which???) Hey Group, Need some help on this one. I just came on as a contractor for this company. The network is somewhat small. They have around 186 routers worldwide and around 22 switches that they have to worry about. So all in all, there are around 200 managed devices for us to take care of. Currently they are using some program called "What's Up Gold". Personally, I hate this thing. It's not secure, the features are minimal, and I hate web based stuff. They have it set up on one machine and everyone access's it from the web to it's IP. The manager has expresed some interest in other methods but it will be hard to move him away from what there is now after he gets back in a week from a business trip. I would like to present a proposal on a new management system. My problem is that I have only worked in Openview before. I think Openview is awesome and gives you all the features you need and more. For this site though, I think it would be too much. I just don't think it's really needed for the size of this network and the management/configuration of it would overseed the network management itself. Basically, I'm asking what you guru's out there think I should present to use. Should it be CiscoWorks2000, Openview, or stay with What's Up Gold? I really appreciate the help and thanks for putting up with the long post. Thanks all, Mark Z... _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
