Re: backup plan for a campus [7:7052]
Howdy answer 1..Do it properly.(if have the money)... i have always recommnded duplicate everything down to the ios image for redundency(get another 6509 and run HSRP on it) answer 2we can`t afford a proper network .(make sure when the backup kicks in .that you are not responsible for the SLOW network.i.e you told them so) i would do this get a 4006 not a expensive as a 6509 but SHOULD do the job ...setup with slightly higher spantre prioity ...will feed of 65 and should take over quite quickly next buy a seperate 2600 and runn HSRP over the ethernet link between them .(REMEBER we are talking Redundency)... you could put a second E card in the 26 but you would not be able to "call"... it redundent...and besides YOU willl take the rap if the company hits the wall.(let me tell you a story) once apon a time there was a man who was given a spec to build a network with full redundency...the spec he put togother cost WAY to much and need severly cutting down...he told them not to do it but they ordered him to .so he did it the network fell over and the company sued for designing a crap network ...who got the blame..the man with his NAME on the design doc. have fun steve >From: "David Cooper" >Reply-To: "David Cooper" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: backup plan for a campus [7:7052] >Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 08:31:21 -0400 > >hiya folks :) happy monday > >I'm thinking of backup solutions for a network I'm consulting for. >This network consists of 7 Vlans of which 5 are used for production. The >core switch is a Cat 6509 with gig uplinks to 9 closets with about 1500 >nodes total. Incase the Cat catches on fire I would like to have a borg >like >spanning tree festival that will make the network at least usable till >smartnet kicks in and replaces things. To each closet we have multiple >fibers running that are unused that I can use. >To the best of my little knowledge of design of networks. What Im thinking >is a smaller cat3508 as a redundant link to the closets. Spanning tree will >do it's job on the trunks. But this is just a bunch of 35xx switches and >intervlan routing is not taken care of. Now, here I have a 2620 with a Fast >Ethernet capable of ethernet trunks. if need be I can install another Fast >Ethernet card in it. This would do the inter-vlan routing. questions: > >Is this a good idea? Any better ideas for it? Where the heck would I put >the >router to do the intervlan stuff and what would tell the switches to use it >as such. Can I just plug it into a peripheral trunked 3524 and let er rip >or >does it have to be on the temp backbone switch? > > >your design expertise would be GREATLY___ appreciated. > >This company is in the middle of layoffs like mad. Soon it will be back to >paper like the '60s :| > >But anyways this is what keeps me paid. > >Links, replies, money, free cheeze, coupons appreciated! > >Thanks VERY VERY much in advance, >David Cooper >eosyn at linuxmafia dot org (no Im not a mafia person or '31337') _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=7059&t=7052 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: backup plan for a campus [7:7052]
At 09:33 AM 6/4/01 -0400, Stephen Skinner wrote: >once apon a time there was a man who was given a spec to build a network >with full redundency...the spec he put togother cost WAY to much and >need severly cutting down...he told them not to do it but they ordered >him to .so he did it the network fell over and the company sued >for designing a crap network ...who got the blame..the man with his >NAME on the design doc. > > >have fun > >steve 1) I am confused. So, if the man who built the "over priced" network made a fully redundant network, and it still failed, did he not fail his job miserably? 2) Or did you mean, they cut his budget, and STILL told him to make the fully redundant network, despite his warnings? I am going to assume #2, since #1 does not make sense. -Carroll Kong Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=7062&t=7052 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: backup plan for a campus [7:7052]
yes they did cut my budget.yes i told them it was a bad idea and yes they made me do it . all it took was a UPS brownout to show them i was right.for my troubles .. i was blamed by the customer and shunned by my employer... all in all a good days work.. steve (once buggered twice shy) >From: "Carroll Kong" >Reply-To: "Carroll Kong" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: backup plan for a campus [7:7052] >Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 09:56:28 -0400 > >At 09:33 AM 6/4/01 -0400, Stephen Skinner wrote: > > >once apon a time there was a man who was given a spec to build a network > >with full redundency...the spec he put togother cost WAY to much and > >need severly cutting down...he told them not to do it but they >ordered > >him to .so he did it the network fell over and the company >sued > >for designing a crap network ...who got the blame..the man with >his > >NAME on the design doc. > > > > > >have fun > > > >steve > >1) I am confused. So, if the man who built the "over priced" network made >a fully redundant network, and it still failed, did he not fail his job >miserably? > >2) Or did you mean, they cut his budget, and STILL told him to make the >fully redundant network, despite his warnings? > >I am going to assume #2, since #1 does not make sense. > > > >-Carroll Kong _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=7081&t=7052 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: backup plan for a campus [7:7052]
Ahh, don't we all get those wonderfully exorbitant design requirements with multiple tiers of redundancy and so very often a budget to barely implement the base network with no redundancy? Management always expect the network and design guys to come up with some "hoodoo" design for a kickass network that will never fail. I'm in a similar situation right now. I see all the fanciful notions of 5 nines reliability slowly getting thrown out one by one because of budget constraints. Vijay Ramcharan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Stephen Skinner Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 10:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: backup plan for a campus [7:7052] yes they did cut my budget.yes i told them it was a bad idea and yes they made me do it . all it took was a UPS brownout to show them i was right.for my troubles .. i was blamed by the customer and shunned by my employer... all in all a good days work.. steve (once buggered twice shy) >From: "Carroll Kong" >Reply-To: "Carroll Kong" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: backup plan for a campus [7:7052] >Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 09:56:28 -0400 > >At 09:33 AM 6/4/01 -0400, Stephen Skinner wrote: > > >once apon a time there was a man who was given a spec to build a > >network with full redundency...the spec he put togother cost WAY > >to much and need severly cutting down...he told them not to do it > >but they >ordered > >him to .so he did it the network fell over and the > >company >sued > >for designing a crap network ...who got the blame..the man > >with >his > >NAME on the design doc. > > > > > >have fun > > > >steve > >1) I am confused. So, if the man who built the "over priced" network >made a fully redundant network, and it still failed, did he not fail >his job miserably? > >2) Or did you mean, they cut his budget, and STILL told him to make >the fully redundant network, despite his warnings? > >I am going to assume #2, since #1 does not make sense. > > > >-Carroll Kong _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=7086&t=7052 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: backup plan for a campus [7:7052]
The best way (IMHO) to avoid this is to NOT do anything. :-( Actually there is no easy way to avoid these issues. The best way is the CYA approach. First of all, as enticing as it is, one should NEVER put their own name on ANY documents/deliverables. One should always use the company name and logo only. Also keep detailed notes. I personally keep a spiral notebook with me at all times. I take notes regarding phone calls, meetings, requests, etc. Sometimes it looks like chicken scratch, but I can usually go back through my notes and recall any pertinent data. It is also nice since it is mostly in chronological order. This has saved my butt on numerous occasions. Also on any changes made, one should never change the original document but make a copy instead. This way, you will have several copies of the document in it's progressions. And when any changes are requested by either the client or your superiors, get a sign off from them. Even if you can get confirmation in an e-mail. And most importantly, keep all e-mails pertaining to specific issues and clients. They may seem trivial now, but may save you later. These ideas may not help in the end as far as the customer is concerned, but your employer might think twice before personally blaming you for the issues. Good Luck. Carl. -Original Message- From: Stephen Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 9:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: backup plan for a campus [7:7052] yes they did cut my budget.yes i told them it was a bad idea and yes they made me do it . all it took was a UPS brownout to show them i was right.for my troubles .. i was blamed by the customer and shunned by my employer... all in all a good days work.. steve (once buggered twice shy) >From: "Carroll Kong" >Reply-To: "Carroll Kong" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: backup plan for a campus [7:7052] >Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 09:56:28 -0400 > >At 09:33 AM 6/4/01 -0400, Stephen Skinner wrote: > > >once apon a time there was a man who was given a spec to build a network > >with full redundency...the spec he put togother cost WAY to much and > >need severly cutting down...he told them not to do it but they >ordered > >him to .so he did it the network fell over and the company >sued > >for designing a crap network ...who got the blame..the man with >his > >NAME on the design doc. > > > > > >have fun > > > >steve > >1) I am confused. So, if the man who built the "over priced" network made >a fully redundant network, and it still failed, did he not fail his job >miserably? > >2) Or did you mean, they cut his budget, and STILL told him to make the >fully redundant network, despite his warnings? > >I am going to assume #2, since #1 does not make sense. > > > >-Carroll Kong _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=7088&t=7052 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: backup plan for a campus [7:7052]
Stephen, Your situation is very common. Especially with military contracts. The Colonel is never wrong, but YOU are, even if you were ordered to implement his solution. Average and mid-level personnel are usually not blamed by insecure/immature management because "They were just doing their job" and the implication is left unsaid that they were simply average employees - next time an expert will be required, and management begins immediately to hire an expert. No one gets hurt here. However, once the expert is brought in, and the same situation reoccurs, they have to howl & point fingers. It's the exceptional and talented who receive a level of professional and personal abuse that doesn't belong in the work place, the military, or any where else. Somehow they see you as strong enough to take it, and assume that your expert opinion if heard would damage them severely. So they have to take you out first. Clients always seem to take advantage of companies who fail at client management/relationships. So leave these guys who wouldn't stand up for you when the situation required it. Remember they still look bad no matter how much is blamed on you. The client will go looking elsewhere, and may even refuse to pay. You should find another job. It's a big wide world out there. - Susan -Original Message- From: Stephen Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 9:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: backup plan for a campus [7:7052] yes they did cut my budget.yes i told them it was a bad idea and yes they made me do it . all it took was a UPS brownout to show them i was right.for my troubles .. i was blamed by the customer and shunned by my employer... all in all a good days work.. steve (once buggered twice shy) >From: "Carroll Kong" >Reply-To: "Carroll Kong" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: backup plan for a campus [7:7052] >Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 09:56:28 -0400 > >At 09:33 AM 6/4/01 -0400, Stephen Skinner wrote: > > >once apon a time there was a man who was given a spec to build a network > >with full redundency...the spec he put togother cost WAY to much and > >need severly cutting down...he told them not to do it but they >ordered > >him to .so he did it the network fell over and the company >sued > >for designing a crap network ...who got the blame..the man with >his > >NAME on the design doc. > > > > > >have fun > > > >steve > >1) I am confused. So, if the man who built the "over priced" network made >a fully redundant network, and it still failed, did he not fail his job >miserably? > >2) Or did you mean, they cut his budget, and STILL told him to make the >fully redundant network, despite his warnings? > >I am going to assume #2, since #1 does not make sense. > > > >-Carroll Kong _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=7094&t=7052 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
