Re: campus LAN design w/DHCP server [7:59646]

2002-12-21 Thread Jeff Kell
Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
 
 It's a fast Ethernet trunk, actually. I forgot to mention that. He does
have
 some internal servers. Do you think in and out of a Fast Ethernet trunk
will
 be less of a problem?

The 2600 might be.

 He had a broadcast meltdown last week. Perhaps that's why he's concerned.
He
 was using ghosting software.

Symantec Ghost will kill a 2600, 4500, and RSP1 by itself if it is 
multicasting (which it should be, not broadcasting) and you are doing
multicast routing (pim-sparse or pim-dense) and sometimes even when 
you disable MR.  I know this from the school of hard knocks - you will 
have CPU starvation with a 100Mbps-capable LAN (maybe not at 10Mb, but
then you would saturate the net).  A 7200/NPE-300 can handle it nicely.

DHCP isn't much of a problem, but when you enable the ip helper-address
be sure to selectively disable (no ip forward-protocol) everything else
you don't need (DNS, TFTP, NetBIOS, etc).

Jeff




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RE: campus LAN design w/DHCP server [7:59646]

2002-12-20 Thread Chuck Church
If everyone just goes to the internet, it'll work.  But if you've got one or
more servers internally, I'd be real afraid of trunking on a 10 mb interface.
You'll reduce your broadcasts, but I think performance will suffer horribly
crossing the router.  Since you've run out of addresses on a /24, I assume
you've got a couple hundred devices.  Personally I'd just move the mask back
one or 2 bits, making it a /22 or /23, and using the additional 1.0 or 1,2,
and 3.0 subnets.  There's things you can do to almost all OSs to reduce
broadcasts.  How many broadcasts are you seeing per second?  If it's no more
than 20 on average, I wouldn't even worry about it.

Chuck Church
CCIE #8776, MCNE, MCSE

The customer has been using 192.168.168.0/24 in one small flat LAN. He
has run out of these addresses and is being hit by performance issues
related to broadcasts.

He wants to implement subnets and VLANs:

VLAN 100 192.168.168.0/24
VLAN 200 192.168.169.0/24

New design:

 Internet
 |
 s0
  2600 router e1 --- public servers
 e0
 | dot1q trunk
   switch
VLAN 200 VLAN 100

There is just one DHCP server. It will be in VLAN 100, address
192.168.168.10. The DHCP server will have 2 scopes for the 2 subnets.

We're going to do inter-VLAN routing on the 2600 router.

Will this config work as far as DHCP is concerned?

interface ethernet 0
no ip address
interface ethernet 0.1
encapsulation dot1q  100
ip address 192.168.168.1  255.255.255.0
interface ethernet 0.2
encapsulation dot1q  200
ip address 192.168.169.1  255.255.255.0
ip helper-address 192.168.168.10




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RE: campus LAN design w/DHCP server [7:59646]

2002-12-20 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
It's a fast Ethernet trunk, actually. I forgot to mention that. He does have
some internal servers. Do you think in and out of a Fast Ethernet trunk will
be less of a problem?

You know my first reaction was also just move the subnet mask over. But he
didn't seem to want to do that.

He had a broadcast meltdown last week. Perhaps that's why he's concerned. He
was using ghosting software.

Thanks for the input!

Priscilla

Chuck Church wrote:
 
 If everyone just goes to the internet, it'll work.  But if
 you've got one or
 more servers internally, I'd be real afraid of trunking on a 10
 mb interface.
 You'll reduce your broadcasts, but I think performance will
 suffer horribly
 crossing the router.  Since you've run out of addresses on a
 /24, I assume
 you've got a couple hundred devices.  Personally I'd just move
 the mask back
 one or 2 bits, making it a /22 or /23, and using the additional
 1.0 or 1,2,
 and 3.0 subnets.  There's things you can do to almost all OSs
 to reduce
 broadcasts.  How many broadcasts are you seeing per second?  If
 it's no more
 than 20 on average, I wouldn't even worry about it.
 
 Chuck Church
 CCIE #8776, MCNE, MCSE
 
 The customer has been using 192.168.168.0/24 in one small flat
 LAN. He
 has run out of these addresses and is being hit by performance
 issues
 related to broadcasts.
 
 He wants to implement subnets and VLANs:
 
 VLAN 100 192.168.168.0/24
 VLAN 200 192.168.169.0/24
 
 New design:
 
  Internet
  |
  s0
   2600 router e1 --- public servers
  e0
  | dot1q trunk
switch
 VLAN 200 VLAN 100
 
 There is just one DHCP server. It will be in VLAN 100, address
 192.168.168.10. The DHCP server will have 2 scopes for the 2
 subnets.
 
 We're going to do inter-VLAN routing on the 2600 router.
 
 Will this config work as far as DHCP is concerned?
 
 interface ethernet 0
 no ip address
 interface ethernet 0.1
 encapsulation dot1q  100
 ip address 192.168.168.1  255.255.255.0
 interface ethernet 0.2
 encapsulation dot1q  200
 ip address 192.168.169.1  255.255.255.0
 ip helper-address 192.168.168.10
 
 




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